The New Avengers *spoilers*

[azure turtle]

Do I dare ask if anyone's following BMB's new project? Lots of fans are angry over his "mutilations" of the classic team. I didn't read the last issues of the Avengers because of all the horrible things I heard about it (several deaths of iconic Avengers, and one who goes psycho). I'm skeptical about this new series, but curiosity got the better of me after seeing the new roster. After picking up the first two issues, it seems like the story is good so far. Don't know how long I'll continue following it, though.

[Anarky]

Who is the new team?

[Jester]

Cap, Iron Man, Wolvie, Spidey, Luke cage, Spider-woman, and some other guy....help me out here azure....

[Anarky]

Wolverine? Oh, man, another Wolverine title... they're ruining him.

And who the heck is Spider-woman?

[Brodie]

The 'other guy' is Sentry, he's a superhero afraid of his powers. Sounds cool.

Spider-Woman....Hm, which one do you wanna know about?

Edit: I'm still kinda pissed over the Avengers they killed, specifically:

Hawkeye....My Hero!

[DrSpengler]

EVERYONE is pissed about Hawkeye. And can you blame them? His death was rediculous.

[Brodie]

I didn't even get to see it, PM me with details. I had to read about it in Wizard. I usually like Bendis' work....Powers, and junk.....

[DrSpengler]

I didn't even get to see it, PM me with details. I had to read about it in Wizard. I usually like Bendis' work....Powers, and junk.....

Yeah, I read about it and looked at some scans over at Superhero Hype. Absolutely pathetic, I can't imagine reading the whole issue.

Disassembled was just Marvel's lame attempt to knock-off DC's Identity Crisis. And they failed miserably. Reminds me of how they ripped-off Crisis on Infinite Earths with Secret Wars. Another failure.

Marvel needs to come up with some fresh ideas to "shake up the Marvel universe" that

1-Don't suck (ex: Clone Saga).

2-Don't involve Wolverine.

and

3-Aren't a blatant rip-off of DC's current event title.

I grew up on Marvel and read their books exclusively all my life. I made the switch over to DC early last year and haven't regretted it since. The only Marvel titles I followed at all last year were Cable and Deadpool, and Astonishing X-Men.

Marvel's really dropped the ball.

[Anarky]

Well, the Spider woman that is in the avengers now.

And the death you both mentionned was silly. And the new costume the character got lately, was stupid too.

Talking about the X-Men. Astonishing X-Men is which series? The one with the Juggernaut and Archangel in the team?

[azure turtle]

Cap, Iron Man, Wolvie, Spidey, Luke cage, Spider-woman, and some other guy....help me out here azure....
Yup, that's pretty much the new roster. Throw the Sentry in, as Brodie mentioned, and you've got the New Avengers. Although... I think there's supposed to be one more "mystery" member who resembles a ninja. He was on one of the alternate covers, and rumor has it that eighth member could be Daredevil (since he's currently in the story) or even Ironfist.

I believe that the Spider-Woman in this series is the original one, Jessica Drew. I don't know how many there have been now, but the only Spider-Woman I remember used to be a West Coast Avenger.

People are very angry about the original Avengers getting disassembled.
And who could blame them? Hawkeye, Vision, and Ant-man were major members of the Avengers, and BMB killed 'em off. I hated the idea that Scarlet Witch lost control of her powers and was responsible for all the chaos. How could Doc Strange say that Chaos Magic didn't exist when there were mentions of it in the past? Of course, I'm basing this all on what I've read in Wizard and on message boards.

[DrSpengler]

Well, the Spider woman that is in the avengers now.

And the death you both mentionned was silly. And the new costume the character got lately, was stupid too.

Talking about the X-Men. Astonishing X-Men is which series? The one with the Juggernaut and Archangel in the team?

It's the one by Joss Whedon (that Buffy-guy). Up to issue 7 now. The team consists of Cyclops, Wolverine, Shadowcat, White Queen, Beast and Colossus.

It's easily the best X-Book on the shelves right now. It doesn't require you to read the other dozen X-Books that come out each month, it doesn't require you to know every obscure detail of the past 5 years. It's the perfect starting point and the easiest to pick up. Whedon has a good grasp on the characters and is an excellent story-teller. And even thought the titles has Wolverine in it, he isn't the main focus for once.

I recommend you pick up the TPB that just came out. Along with Cable and Deadpool, it's the best book Marvel released last year.

[Anarky]

It's the one by Joss Whedon (that Buffy-guy). Up to issue 7 now. The team consists of Cyclops, Wolverine, Shadowcat, White Queen, Beast and Colossus.


Colossus? He's dead. Legacy virus anyone? You could be talkign about ultimate Universe though...

[DrSpengler]

Colossus? He's dead. Legacy virus anyone? You could be talkign about ultimate Universe though...

Not anymore. Read the book. Ord of the Breakworld anyone?

Yeah, read the book. It's good. He's been back for a good 3 or 4 months now. And the only Ultimates title I read is The Ultimates.

[Anarky]

God, please no... That was so tragic. Why did they have to bring him back. To qutoe Machi: "Is nothing sacred anymore". What's next? Gwen Stacy? Psylocke? Damn you, Marvel (well, DC isn't much better when it comes to this either)


You know, I'm way behind. The storyline we're currently at is "She lies with angels"

[DrSpengler]

God, please no... That was so tragic. Why did they have to bring him back. To qutoe Machi: "Is nothing sacred anymore". What's next? Gwen Stacy? Psylocke? Damn you, Marvel (well, DC isn't much better when it comes to this either)


You know, I'm way behind. The storyline we're currently at is "She lies with angels"

Well, it was a big surprise when it happened, it it was done very well. No clone bullsh*t, no memory implants, nothing stupid like that. Whedon did it as best anyone could.

As for your list, Psylocke is already coming back. Claremont has written the story and it'll be showing up sometime soon. She's even on the cover. And Gwen Stacy got cloned quite a while ago, and more recently, he two daughters she had with Norman Osbourne (wtf?) have been giving Spider-Man grief.

Just about the only Marvel character to STAY DEAD is Bucky. That is if you don't count his clone who appeared briefly in Deadpool #0, but that was more a joke than anything else.

And in regards to DC, with Jason Todd prepared to make his big come-back (the recent issues of Batman are hinting at him being the new Red Hood), Barry Allen is just about the only DC to stay dead.

Well, that's not true. Half the Justice Society has been dead for quite some time and have yet to come back. They're pretty big players.

So I'd say DC is a little better than Marvel at keeping people dead.

[KROW]

So I'd say DC is a little better than Marvel at keeping people dead.
Erik Larsen and Todd McFarlane are pretty damn good at doing that, too.

I stopped collecting The Avengers at #499, right before this Disassembled story fully hit. Now that I hear that the roster has been mixed up as much as it has, and certain characters were... removed, I'm glad I'm off the series. Geoff Johns did a good job with his run on it, too. Ah, well.

[Anarky]

Why can't those people just stay dead? I mean, their deaths were so tragic and now, what was it for? Nothing. I can see it already:

Beast: "I'll sacrifice myself for you, Emma"
Emma: "No, please don't"
Beast: "Yes, I'll do it. See you in two months!"

And there's one thing that would shatter my entire beliefs in comic books. If they bring Mother and Father Wayne back.¨

And KROW: Talking about Johns. If you want to read stuff by him, be sure to pick up the new Teen Titans. Plus: He's currently retconning everything we know.

[DrSpengler]

In Tower of Babel Ra's almost brought Batman's parents back to life. Didn't make it, though. To be honest, they'll never do it. Batman is Batman BECAUSE his parents are dead. Bring them back and what reason does he have to keep going?

And Johns is a miracle worker at DC. Everything he touches turns to gold. JSA, Teen Titans, Green Lantern, and (my favorite) the Flash. The upcoming ROgue War should really be something.

[Jester]

Does noone have a problem with the ever loved but often over used Spider-man being an avenger??
Gwyn had twins with Osborne, a boy and a girl. Supposedly part of the Goblin's plethra of powers is a super-suduction....lame.....but so was the fact he never died, just walked of the table in the morgue...Uncle ben and Bucky are the only Marvel characters to actually stat dead, and here's hoping Ben doesn't come back...what would be the point of Spider-man then??

[Raven]

I think its kinda cool that they did that they killed off all those characters.

for me its like the marvel universe that we have been reading is going to be comming to a end soon, and the avengers were the first to go, sooner or later, others will die off from other things, than marvel will do like they always do and restart everything.

[Anarky]

MP, you're talking about something like "Crisis on 616"?

[Brodie]

You all are looking for something different. And that's just why marvel and DC bring back characters. Each character, no matter who they are, have a fan base. Marvel and DC want to keep everyone happy, and when they make someone happy, someone else will be unhappy.

Deal with it.

I doubt they'll bring back the Avengers, not for a long time anyway. But I actually want the day to come, and I pick up an Avengers title, and see:Hawkeye saving everyone's ass just in the nick of time. Even if there was a bad explanation, and so on. Just to see him back, or the Vision, but mostly Hawkeye.

[azure turtle]

Does noone have a problem with the ever loved but often over used Spider-man being an avenger??
Actually, I think it'd be interesting for Spidey to join the Avengers full time, instead of just having reserve status. He's probably had the most team-ups in the Marvel U, but I don't think he's ever been an integral part of a team. This'll be new for Spidey, so I think it'll be cool how he handles it and how his teammates handle him. Plus, his comedic lines are always fun to read.

I agree with Brodie. There will always be people happy and unhappy with the deaths/revivals of characters. Personally, I marked out when Colossus came back in Astonishing. About time they brought him back. :D

[azure turtle]

Sorry to bump this topic, but New Avengers #3 came out last week. It was a pretty good issue, and Cap has started recruiting the new team. Some are still absent (Wolverine, and Sentry wasn't even mentioned), but I'm assuming all will be explained in the next two issues. Oh, and Jessica Drew is up to someone. Seems like she's a double agent, but for whom, we don't know yet.

[kyabetsu]

And there's one thing that would shatter my entire beliefs in comic books. If they bring Mother and Father Wayne back.

They did. Very Briefly. The recent Superman/Batman title. Silver-Age villians pop-up out of nowhere and do naughty things to the timeline, making Superman and Batman their adoptive "sons" and rulers of earth... but yeah in "fixing" the time line, Bruce spends most of an issue as a genuine millionaire playboy with both parents.

[Anarky]

I knew this topic already existed... hah!

Anyways, issue 15 came out this week and things are getting more and more interesting. I mean, that conspiracy behind SHIELD and Hydra looks really promising. And I just loved J. Jonah Jameson's coverage of the premiere of the New Avengers.

As for the whole series. I didn't get that Sentry "Who are you?"-thing at all. Wolverine is not in the right place and I actually like Spider-Woman.

[FireFly]

i know Tna is getting better and anarky the sentry arc was confusing and it was wierd especialy the part about him being a comic book superhero was messed up but in ended with everything fairly answered as for the spider-women thing jessica is becoming the wonder-woman of marvel in my opinon.

[Spawn Guy]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=116568

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[ThirdMarioBro]

Woah, graphic cover. I don't read them, but still. Not that I'm complaining though.

[Anarky]

And you want to tell us what exactly? I know that New Avengers is out and that stuff happens in thereIf you don't want to see this topic locked, I suggest you explain what this topic actually is for.

[Edit: Thread merged into a previous New Avengers thread. --Krang]

[Spawn Guy]

Marvel's answer to Superboy Prime and those pesky reality punches.

Skrulls. Lots and lots of them supposedly infiltrating certain places in the MU for years. The Sentry mysteriously showing up with? Maybe a skrull. Hawkeye back? Maybe a skrull. Cap shot to death in front of millions on scene and on live TV? Maybe a skrull. And my personal favourite, Iron Man being all evil and leading the pro registration side? Take a wild guess.

And all of this has supposed to have been planned and built up before the very conception of Civil War or World War Hulk.

[That Matt Guy]

And all of this has supposed to have been planned and built up before the very conception of Civil War or World War Hulk.

Yeah, it has to do with that first Illuminati issue where they are all held captive by Skrulls.

But I doubt Iron Man is one, considering all the personal stuff he went through during Civil War (almost going back to drinking, euthanizing Hap Hogan etc.) If they do decided to make him a skrull, that would be really really cheap. Same thing for Cap.

[Spawn Guy]

Yeah, but Bendis is useing Marvel's new "**** with the buyer to get them excited" policy.Pretty much anyone and everyone in the MU could have been a skrull at some point. Some just a temp replacement to explain away any out of character moments (that Marvel will actually have to acknowledge), some possibly have been skrulls for the past thrity years worth of continuety. Basically anything you didn't like? Skrull.