The Nintendo Discussion Thread

[LogicDonny]

that reminds me of waiting for earthbound 64 years ago. that never did hit american shelves either.

Actually, even if Earthbound 64 got cancelled, they finally did release Mother 3 which had many of the earthbound 64 elements in it.

It is a crying shame Nintendo doesn't realize how huge earthbound has on many nintendo fans like me.. Nintendo did indeed finish mother translation for the nes but never even released it due to the snes being released. I wish Nintendo would either put mother and Earthbound (Mother 2) on the VC or just release all 3 on the ds as a collection.

Anything would be good.

[ThirdMarioBro]

off topic but i was wondering, what did this game (and pokemon puzzle league, etc) originate from? i remember playing some version of this when i was younger but i never caught the name. if i recall correctly, there were golden masks involved.

The original version of Panel de Pon was released in 1995 in Japan. It was the original version of this panel matching puzzle game where the blocks rise from the bottom and you arrange them in groups of three or more to clear them. In 1996, it was brought to America on the SNES, but the fairies were replaced with Yoshi and gang to promote the release of Yoshi's Island. It was called Tetris Attack. Later another version was released in 1999 for N64 called Pokemon Puzzle League, and it had a Game Boy Color counterpart. They later released Panel de Pon one more time in a Japan only collection called Nintendo Puzzle Collection, and again for GBA under the name Puzzle League.

Now we have this DS game called Planet Puzzle League.

[LogicDonny]

The original version of Panel de Pon was released in 1995 in Japan. It was the original version of this panel matching puzzle game where the blocks rise from the bottom and you arrange them in groups of three or more to clear them. In 1996, it was brought to America on the SNES, but the fairies were replaced with Yoshi and gang to promote the release of Yoshi's Island. It was called Tetris Attack. Later another version was released in 1999 for N64 called Pokemon Puzzle League, and it had a Game Boy Color counterpart. They later released Panel de Pon one more time in a Japan only collection called Nintendo Puzzle Collection, and again for GBA under the name Puzzle League.

Now we have this DS game called Planet Puzzle League.

oh you also forgot that Nintendo release a gameboy version of tetris attack as well.

It doesn't matter which version of Panel de Pon they are all the same but can have different system.

[bullet]

The original version of Panel de Pon was released in 1995 in Japan. It was the original version of this panel matching puzzle game where the blocks rise from the bottom and you arrange them in groups of three or more to clear them. In 1996, it was brought to America on the SNES, but the fairies were replaced with Yoshi and gang to promote the release of Yoshi's Island. It was called Tetris Attack. Later another version was released in 1999 for N64 called Pokemon Puzzle League, and it had a Game Boy Color counterpart. They later released Panel de Pon one more time in a Japan only collection called Nintendo Puzzle Collection, and again for GBA under the name Puzzle League.

Now we have this DS game called Planet Puzzle League.

ah thanks. so disregard my comment about an earlier version. i never even played tetris attack so the first incarnation i've touched is poke puzzle league. that game rocks. :D

[Krang]

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1116/dsc05498si2.jpg

Lip for the win.
Good to know that they haven't completely forgotten about the past games this time. Hopefully they will include the original sound effects and music as well. BTW, I think I'll order this one as soon as I get the Play-Asia coupon from ordering Ouendan 2.

proof of the box as well dude.. you could be playing a rom of it.
:dead:

[ThirdMarioBro]

Mario: Game Over - Mario's life after the Mushroom Kingdom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpBGRA6HHtY)

Though 'Game Over' may now be the most overused cliche' term in gaming, this is some of the funniest sh1t I've seen in some time.

[Ra]

Haha! That is just extemely random. At least we now know why Mario loves his mushrooms so much :lol:

[ThirdMarioBro]

“I could make Halo. It's not that I couldn't design that game. It's just that I choose not to.”

These are the words of gaming legend Shigeru Miyamoto, speaking to Entertainment Weekly in an exclusive interview last week.

“One thing about my game design is that I never try to look for what people want and then try to make that game design. I always try to create new experiences that are fun to play.”

In the interview, Miyamoto touches on a number of interesting topics, including the subject matter of Nintendo titles.

When asked whether or not he has ever considered tackling a video game with a more serious theme, he responded, “Maybe if I were to come across a problem in my life that affected me I would think about that. A game like that would be very interesting to make. At the Independent Games Festival at the last GDC [the Game Developer's Conference] I saw a game, Defcon, which is about thermonuclear war — the whole world is destroyed. That's a very powerful message to put in a game.”

Does the man behind Mario and Zelda have any real-world subjects that he’d be interested in making a game about?

“I have some ideas. One is that in Japan, there are a lot of trains that have sections reserved for the elderly or pregnant women. Young people in Japan sometimes sit in them, but if people come up and need them, you are supposed to get up. But most of the kids don't! It really upsets me. If I could build a game that somehow made the young people respect their elders...”

Entertainment Weekly, at one point in the interview, asked Miyamoto about his success in predicting what kinds of games consumers will like. Asked specifically why he has yet to create a game with subject matter this is more serious, Miyamoto said:

“Yes, that has definitely happened. In the past we've worked with some outside development houses on titles like F-Zero and Starfox — and let me just say that we were disappointed with the results. Consumers got very excited about the idea of those games, but the games themselves did not deliver. And, well, to be honest with you, Zelda: Twilight Princess is not doing very well at all in Japan. It is very disappointing. But it is doing okay here in America.”

When asked to elaborate on his feelings in regards to Twilight Princess’s sales in Japan, Miyamoto responded, “Well, I think a lot of people who bought the Wii are not necessarily the types of people who are interested in playing that kind of game. And a lot of the people who would want to play it [due to chronic shortages of the console] can't find a Wii! But mostly, I think it's that there are fewer and fewer people who are interested in playing a big role-playing game like Zelda.”

Okay, everybody wants to talk about Miyamoto and Halo. Whoopie. I don't care. I'm more concerned with the fact that Twilight Princess bombed in Japan. It scares the hell out of me. Sure, Zelda has never had the mass-accessibility as say Mario, but it always sold well. RPG's do so well over there because you don't have to have any skill as a gamer to play them. Zelda requires all the reflex's of an action game, the character interaction of an RPG, and a puzzle solving nature all of it's own. That narrows it's scope in the market. Fine. I get that.

Sooner or later, this casual market is going to begin to take over America and Europe, and there are a hell of a lot more of those people out there than us. Just look at how many people buy card games for their cell phones. The numbers are scary as hell. As development costs rise, some projects are going to get cut, and I'm afraid it will be ours because casual games like Wii Sports and Club House Games are easier to crank out for less money to a larger audience. The day Zelda falls to poker sims is the day I call it quits. Granted, the game may not have been fruity enough for Japan, but it's only doing passable over here. This is more of a careful observation, but damn. How can a Zelda game bomb? Say what you want about Twilight Princess in comparison to other games of the same period, or other installments in the series. It was still an elite game regardless of where you place it on the ladder.


And tell me exactly how F-Zero GX was a "disappointing game". Tell me. Star Fox's two GameCube games I can understand. They're debatable (I loved them both with a heavy preference towards SFAdventure). Personally I hated SF Command, but F-Zero GX? WTF?

[Peanut]

More doom and gloom about the casual market from TMB? *GASP*

[Cure]

So is this (http://gonintendo.com/?p=17423) what we could expect from you in Puzzle League, TMB?

[bullet]

holy sh!t that's a lotta chains.

[LogicDonny]

f-zero GX was awesome and challanging. zelda twilight princess about that part I agree. zelda tp was very disapointing and hyped to a point making it the best zelda game of all time. it wasn't even close. remember that time when I didn't even want to finish the game but finally did.

[ThirdMarioBro]

So is this (http://gonintendo.com/?p=17423) what we could expect from you in Puzzle League, TMB?

Pretty Much.

[Dinny]

remember that time when I didn't even want to finish the game but finally did.

Yeah... man those were f***ing wild times!

Hey anyone here remember that time when I thought I needed the bathroom, only it turned out I didn't?

[bullet]

omfg that made me bust a gut :lol:

[LogicDonny]

ya that was a wild time.. ahh twilight pricess. overhyped to a point i can say.. as much as halo 2.

i really thought zelda tp was the best.

So any new games you guys downloaded via VC lately? or um playing?

[ThirdMarioBro]

We have another thread for that.

[LogicDonny]

ya but it's all about spiderman 3..

need to make something new here.

[GK Punk]

Oh good lord, It's SPIDER-MAN PEOPLE! Not SPIDERMAN!!! *thows pumpkins bombs everywhere*

And you can still post in that thread, I dont recall there being a rule stating you could only talk about Spidey 3 in it.

[ThirdMarioBro]

ya but it's all about spiderman 3..

need to make something new here.

Stop dictating the rules. People can talk about what they want here.

[LogicDonny]

true true but this is the nintendo discussion thread not just good ol Spider-man. Dude I am just requesting we change topics.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I keep discussions here loose for a reason. If you want to talk about something else, by all means, go ahead. But don't just stand around demanding people change topics if they so much as dare to veer off from time to time. Besides, everything that was said was loosely related to the Spider-Man game, not the movie. Discussion over, moving on.

[愛]

I still order the chicken fingers off the kids menu at restaurants.

Is that loose enough for you?

[Dinny]

Is that loose enough for you?

Thats' what she said. ZING!

[LogicDonny]

I still order the chicken fingers off the kids menu at restaurants.

Is that loose enough for you?

uh sure.. as long as it's tasty and delicious.

Just like that girl in your pic.. Cute!

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://dkcmovie.ytmnsfw.com/?5275f279b53fb5d0046ae8a883a64bb8

lol

[GK Punk]

true true but this is the nintendo discussion thread not just good ol Spider-man. Dude I am just requesting we change topics.

Again, as I said, then start talking about something else. If anyone is interested, they'll go along with it. But you have no right to dictate what others are speaking about. But feel free to change the subject anytime you like.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Logic has officially been banned from the VG forum again. Enjoy the peace.

[bullet]

aww...but he made many funnies. :(

ah and TMB, thanks for the info about that new DS puzzle game. funny story...i wanted it so much i walked into gamestop at my local mall yesterday and asked them about that game, but i couldn't remember the name you gave me. i described it and brought up poke puzzle league...yet they still had no idea what i was talking about...of course i later found out that it's actually going to be released in june. guess i should've done research. embarassing trip :dead:

[GK Punk]

aww...but he made many funnies. :(



I'm sure we can find someone else that is unintentially funny. Hopefully someone with out a giant ego though. I can't "Laugh but laugh" about it.

[Ra]

...so, should we throw a party or a funeral or something? *blinks and shrugs*

Weellll...I am seriously contemplating getting a DS some time in the future. I'm not to sure if I should get it though, since whenever I look on the internet, or ask any of my friends who owns one, I get mixed reactions. Some say it will be worth it...others say otherwise. I'm pretty much at a loss when I'm trying to make up my mind. So, should I get one, or should I just wait until something better is released by Nintendo?

[GK Punk]

Get the DS. Even my aunt loves it, and she's never played an video games. she owns tons of DS games now though. I dont know one person that has one that isnt happy.

[Krang]

I second that. If you like handhelds at all, you'll love the DS. No matter what your favorite genres are, you'll definitely find several DS games you'll like.

[GK Punk]

And you can even play most Game Boy Advance games on it.

[ThirdMarioBro]

DS for the win. It's got something from every genre. If you're a gamer, you'll find something to love. I've got over 30 games in under three years. A few are stinkpots, but most everything is solid gold.

[Ra]

Thanks guys. Your responce is good enough for me. Now the only problem is to start saving money to actually buy the DS and some games to go along with it. Ah well. I'm sure it will be worth it in the end.

[Dinny]

http://www.smashbros.com/

Could we see more new characters on Monday...?

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://wii.ign.com/articles/788/788281p1.html

May 14, 2007 - Hot on the heels of the news last week that Nintendo of America was planning to move a significant chunk of its marketing and sales departments from Seattle to either San Francisco or New York, IGN has learned that the company may be planning to close or restructure its official Nintendo Power magazine. Sources close to the publication tell IGN that mass layoffs are underway and that employees are being told to look for new work by September of this year.

Calls placed to Nintendo of America for comment went unanswered in time for publish.

Founded in 1988, Nintendo Power magazine has over the years faced an emerging threat from game-focused websites, which have the means to provide more timely news, previews, reviews, walkthroughs and cheats. Even so, the publication has maintained a loyal subscriber base.

Without an official confirmation one way or the other, we're still in rumor territory, but what is undeniable at this point is that the magazine is either undergoing a rebirth of some kind or is on its last legs. Some insiders have suggested that Nintendo Power will continue on, but will be published by a third party source.

IGN will continue to follow the story and update readers with more information as it becomes available.

Congratulations Nintendo, a.k.a. the casual gamer whores. You just shot the legs out from underneath something else your fans loved. I just renewed too. Been subscribing since 1990, and the magazine has always been that little soft spot that helped me feel like a Nintendo fan once a month, which is difficult when you work in the media and your job is to be a hard-ass. Another piece of my childhood dead.

I'll never again say a bad thing about EA and the casual market again. Not that I have for 8 months now, but now I'm swearing it off. Rot in hell Nintendo.

This is a cold bucket of water in the morning.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://www.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=9765

Capcom shut down Flagship. Though I love the Minish Cap to death, I can't forgive them for what they did to the Kirby franchise. Still sad to see them go, but we'll live. Nintendo has taken the handheld Zeldas back in house anyway.

[Mecha Cow]

Eh, can't say I care too much. Minish Cap was good but not great, and while it certainly wasn't a bad effort I'm glad handheld Zelda is back where it belongs.

They are responsible for the coolest Zelda character after Tingle though...*Points to signature*

[Cure]

Check out the pre-order box for Manhunt 2. (http://gonintendo.com/?p=18178)

[bullet]

lmfao...that's classic.

[Ra]

Well, one more day until the Super Smash Brothers Brawl website is released. I was thinking it was being released today for some reason. Guess that is what happens when you are in your own little world of work and assignments all the time... *shrugs*

http://www.smashbros.com/

[Peanut]

I wonder what we'll see. I bet they'll announce that some old character is in the game, as if we didn't already know that. Or maybe they'll actually announce that they took all those votes people made seriously.

[Mecha Cow]

Screw that website. Earlier today I kept refreshing every five minutes because I thought it was going to update. Then when the time finally comes it says 'STARTING TODAY'.

That's just not cool, Nintendo. :cry:

[Cure]

Metroid Prime 3 coming on August 20th. (http://gonintendo.com/?p=18229)

[愛]

As I'm sure you guys know, I'm an avid speed run watcher. I watch them all the time. It helps pass time when I'm bored, which is very often. Anyway, there's a Twilight Princess speed run that was put up today, clocking in at 5:39. That's just ridiculous. I'm watching it as we speak.

Here's the link if anyone's bored enough to watch it.

http://www.archive.org/details/TwilightPrincess_Wii_539

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm not bored today...but I will be tomorrow night.

*downloads*

[ThirdMarioBro]

Oh Snap!

http://wii.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=9828

Geometry Wars is coming to Wii and DS.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Triple post. Sue me.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic01.html

This baby is LIVE!

Honestly, I wasn't expecting anything. This is a nice surprise.

[bullet]

i love how the character's button is grayed out :(
some of those stages seem very familiar, though.

[Ra]

I'm just loving the detail they have put into "Brawl" so far. Just look at the detail they have put into Mario and Link, for example. It kind of puts "Melee" to shame, in my opinion.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Ra-Cho/BRAWL.jpg

*wonders off to find more screen shots to oggle at the detail*

[bullet]

well graphically, melee put smb to shame too :P
i still remember how amazed i was at melee previews before it came out...and then playing it the first time. i was overly ecstatic with that mute city bgm playing in the trailer.

but i love that they're using the TP link, awesome. rabid link user i am, in spite of him being so low on the tier. who needs marth anyway...cheap ass. :(

[Mecha Cow]

LAME. I wanted at least some real announcements! Hurry up and update, with something GOOD this time, Sakurai!

Oh, and if I may nitpick for a second, I think the portraits/name things at the bottom are kind of tacky. But who cares, it's Smash Bros.!

who needs marth anyway...cheap ass.
YOUR MOM is a cheap ass.

[Brodie]

Why is Mario's hand so huge? Thats not even forced perspective, either...Cause that would indicate it was coming more towards the viewer....That's not...

[bullet]

doesn't nintendo always over-exaggerate hands and feet? it seems to get bigger too with each new generation of games. but in smash bros when you do a smash attack the hand gets even bigger. if you pause the screen on melee when mario strikes pikachu with a smash attack or summin, you'll see that his hand is bigger than pikachu...hah.

[Dinny]

Only one hand's huge so it's clearly just an effect for one of his smash punch moves.

[Cure]

Why is Mario's hand so huge? Thats not even forced perspective, either...Cause that would indicate it was coming more towards the viewer....That's not...

Yeah, it only gets that big for a quick second when he throws the punch.

[ThirdMarioBro]

doesn't nintendo always over-exaggerate hands and feet? it seems to get bigger too with each new generation of games.

I refer to this as the Garfield effect.

[bullet]

now that you mentioned it...the tummy seems to get bigger, too :P

[Dinny]

Here's a question: Mario clearly does a lot of exercise and jumping around, yet he's still fat, so just what the hell is he eating (or drinking)?
Is it just because Mario eats a lot and does no exercise in between hiskarting tournaments and rescue missions, so we only see Mario with his holiday weight?

[愛]

I think Mario has a drinking problem. Every night he comes home from saving the day and hits the local bar. Then he goes home and beats his wife, Peach.

[Peanut]

Haven't you guys ever seen the cartoons? That mother f*cker is eating like 10 pounds of spaghetti every chance he gets.

[Mecha Cow]

Wife? I don't see no ring around his finger.

[愛]

Maybe he pawned the ring for money to buy mushrooms. It's ruining his life.

[Mecha Cow]

Give him a break, man. The guy unclogs dirty toilets for a living. I'd do 'shrooms too.

[Dinny]

Mario is an Italian plumber with a moustache. Equals wife-beater.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm afraid the man has a point. Someone that big has to be in the mafia. It's like the law. All mob bosses are fat. Haven't you people seen The Godfather? It's the tubby parade.

[Dinny]

Da da da DAAAAAAAA:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/holy-trinity/reggie-confirms-big-3-for-2007-263050.php

[ThirdMarioBro]

Oh thank God.

So, for Wii I've got a lot of purchases to make.

DK Jet (Dixie Kong and Rambi sold it)
Super Mario Strikers Charged (online play and Peach in a bra)
Super Mario Galaxy (duuuuh)
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Samus narrates the story? Took long enough. Lack of multiplayer FTW)
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams (The game that came out of nowhere)
Mario & Sonic & The Olympic Games (The other game that came out of nowhere)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (duuuuh)
Rayman Raving Rabbits 2 (lolololol)

[Dinny]

So Christmas will be: Brawl + Galaxy + Phantom Hourglass + a dash of Corruption Vs. Halo 3...

[ThirdMarioBro]

Looks like we've got another wallet apocalypse going down! Looks like I'll be bleeding out a lot of money for all those games, because I'll be banking something else on that golden Christmas ticket.

A PS3.

[Mr. Snackpants]

This is damn good news!!!

Going to be a great year. Especially for the Wii, which started so painfully slow.

Metroid Prime 3 in August

Mario-Sonic Olympics
Super Mario Strikers
Super Mario Galaxy
SSBB....all later this year.

Add Halo 3 into the mix and, WOOOOO!!!!!!

[Peanut]

Mario and Sonic at the Olympics? Are you guys F*CKING retarded!?

Anyways, no one has mentioned the other awesome stuff. A little something called Mass Effect. Or how about Assassin's Creed? That's all coming out before the end of 07 too.

[Spitfire]

Anyone who wants a Wii head to your local BB's cause were launching it again on Sunday with Mario Party 8.

People line up around 5 earliest so get there around then and your in the green. Our store hands out tickets at 8 to get people outside to stop camping so you can go home around then and just come back at 11 when they open.

My store got 21 and I'm pretty sure all the other stores are the same so good luck guys.

I want to grab one for Brawl but I don't want to bother fighting for it. Plus I can't afford it right now anyways. But hopefully by the time that game comes out I can afford one and they won't be so hard to get.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Oh, I forgot one. I'm getting Manhunt 2 for Wii. Gotta' slit a throat for Jack Thompson.

[bullet]

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5303671

anyone know if that's a good deal for the money?

i think wii games run at about 50 a pop, right? if they're including an extra wiimote (which i think they are, not sure), + an extra accessory (i'd pick the classic pad), along with 3 games...is it worth it?

[Brodie]

Seems about 50 bucks too expensive. But aside from that...I dunno, maybe if they DO include the Wiimote.

[Mecha Cow]

Some new Zelda: Phantom Hourglass pics (http://www.jeux-france.com/news20367_zelda-phantom-hourglass-illustre.html).

I still have serious doubts about the controls, but as far as everything else goes I love where this is going. Don't mean to dig up the Realism vs. Cartoony argument, but this blows TP out of the water...No pun intended.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Sweet mother does that look good. Me and the DS are going to spend some warm nights in bed this fall.

[愛]

This game is shaping up to be pretty buck nasty. I'm excited for it. Always excited for a new Zelda game. :D

[bullet]

Seems about 50 bucks too expensive. But aside from that...I dunno, maybe if they DO include the Wiimote.

thanks. if only it wasn't near impossible to find a wii on its own.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

This game is shaping up to be pretty buck nasty. I'm excited for it. Always excited for a new Zelda game. :D

I have had that darn thing on pre-order for like a year now...my DS wants it now!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Welcome to our lives. We go from preorder to preorder....just trying to get our fix, then waiting for the next one. :lol:

[愛]

I have this junk on preorder, too. I'm waiting patiently for it.....yeah, not really. I want it now.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

Yes this is the sad facts of life. The guys at my local Gamestop and EB know me pretty good for my pre-ordering. I could always tell when Zelda for example had been pushed back again by they look they give me when I walk up to the counter...
its like an "Oh man this chick is going to drag me over the counter and beat me up if I have to tell her that her game got postponed again." :lol:

But they always find some other new shiny game to distract me with.

[Cure]

Check out this glitch (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/11796) in Donkey Kong Country. Hi-larious.

[Peanut]

I know I live from release to release. It's at least two to three games a week for me, or I'm not getting by. It's not even that I play through all of them, I just like to jump from game to game.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Without watching the video, I'm guessing it's the Rambi humping glitch?

[Cure]

Without watching the video, I'm guessing it's the Rambi humping glitch?

.................................................. ..........................kill joy.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Ironically, I finally got one tonight in Halo 3. I'm learning.

When is freaking Nintendo going to put Kirby's Super Star and Kirby's Dreamland 3 up on the Virtual Console? These cheap-ass Flagship games on GBA and DS spoil my opinion of the franchise. I want to play the good sh*t.

[Dinny]

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Wii clip:
http://www.ffccnews.jp/2007/05/85.html

Click on the box to get it to load. That there is one purty game...

[Barkworm]

It looks good but SquareEnix can definitely do better.

[ThirdMarioBro]

They're doing the kiddy thing...you know, because it's Nintendo.

In other news...

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ladies-night/episodic-gaming-for-your-mum-gran-264687.php

To quote Conan O' Brian....

"We're so screwed!"

...no, not really. Still, it's always fun to quote Conan O' Brian.

[Dinny]

Is it weird that I WANT that game?

[Barkworm]

Extremely, yes.

[Barkworm]

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8160148&publicUserId=4549029
LOL. Midway, you're pathetic.

[Mecha Cow]

Midway is still around? Why?

[Barkworm]

Stranglehold, my friend. That's why.

[Mecha Cow]

They're behind that? Interesting.

[ThirdMarioBro]

That's my point. "Give us better scores or we won't support you". Unless you are IGN (aka: ass kissers), they feel the need to train the media like dogs. I for one refuse to play fetch.

[Peanut]

That's f*cking Skip for you, though. He's jumping to conclusions, as he usually tends to do. I seriously doubt that Midway withheld the title from them because they gave previous games bad scores.

[ThirdMarioBro]

So...Delphino Square is in Smash. Whoopie, I get to look at more fatty Pinatas.

Why not SMB3? Why not New SMB? Why the fu*king Pinatas?

[Mecha Cow]

Come on, why not? I'm not the biggest fan of Sunshine, but Delfino Plaza is a cool, original location and the stage looks really nice. Plus, its inclusion pretty much confirms a Wind Waker stage!

And it's Piantas, noob!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Come on, why not? I'm not the biggest fan of Sunshine, but Delfino Plaza is a cool, original location and the stage looks really nice. Plus, its inclusion pretty much confirms a Wind Waker stage!

And it's Piantas, noob!

I don't mind Delphino, and I love Sunshine, but I do mind those fat dancing palm trees in a skirt. I hate them. That, and the music wasn't as memorable as it should be for a Mario game, so they will probably waste an orchestra on the Isle Delphino theme. I just wish they had chosen a more classical stage for Mario, and I don't mean the highly overused "Classic NES Mario" stuff. There is more to retro than 8-bit. It's becoming cliche'. Otherwise, I think the stage looks nice. I love the colors and all that beautiful ocean. Just please, no Piantas. I hate those fat bastards.

Wind Waker on the other hand....that should look and sound beautiful beyond words. Imagine the ocean theme on a 75 piece orchestra. Besides, I was under the assumption that the Young Link/Wind Waker Link switchout was a given at this point. It's just too obvious.


And Metroid Prime/Zero Mission stage FTUW.

[Peanut]

Wind Waker Link replacing Young Link sounds amazing. And I don't mind Delphino Island at all, I love that music, so it should be an awesome stage.

But I think it'll come down to one thing making or breaking this game for me, and that's if they have any Animal Crossing characters in it. No Tom Nook would ruin it for me! It has to happen!

[Mecha Cow]

Would a WW stage even work though? I don't know if it's possible to combine 'normal' shading (For the characters) and celshading (For the stage), since I gather it's a matter of lighting.

WW Link would be nice too, but I'd rather have Tingle!

[Peanut]

I'm sure they could pull it off. That would be surreal, though. I'd beat TP Link all over the ocean with WW Link, if that's a possibility.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm relatively certain you'll get your wish PJ. I want TP Link to have a Down+B move that transforms him into Wolf Link, Midna and all. I want to grab some random Piantas by the throat and gnaw at them.

Personally, I want a whole Animal Crossing stage. We can have it out in front of the river while the neighborhood gathers to watch the cat fight with a few Mii's mixed into the audience for giggles. We can pound trees to get cherries, limes, apples, and oranges to throw at each other. Every so often, Tom Nook can walk by and we can use him as a punching bag or something. Maybe he could be an item. Pop him out of a Poke' ball and watch him bill player one 2,000,000 bells damage.

[Mecha Cow]

I doubt they would radically alter Link by giving him a transformation move, but I could see Wolf Link/Midna making an appearance as a seperate character.

Wouldn't be surprised by at least some Animal Crossing reference either, considering its popularity since the DS game. I mean, there's a Nintendog in the game...

[Cure]

I think you all know who's appearance would make this game THE BEST EVAR for me.

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But yeah, these updates are really cool. First thing I do now when I log in is check smashbros.com.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Mario versus Sonic. We can all thank videogamedc.com for even having the possibility of it happening.

[Dinny]

I think you all know who's appearance would make this game THE BEST EVAR for me.

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While I understand that Sonic appearing in Smash Bros will make fanboys everywhere splurge a blue, spikey liquid, I honestly don't see why Sonic would be better than any other character. I mean, Fox is already super fast so they couldn't make Sonic any faster without making him uncontrollable, and his attacks would be very basic, I mean none of his moves (like the jump attack) would work really well in Smash Bros., in my opinion. I hope Nintendo proves me wrong.

[Peanut]

I'd say after the announcement of Mario and Sonic at the Olympics, the chances of him not being in Smash Bros. are slim.

[Dinny]

No I completely agree that Sonic is all but official, I just have trouble seeing how they could stick to his fundamental character and make him a good smash bros. character.

[Mecha Cow]

Sonic isn't a very good character to begin with. Maybe he just needs another super form/doppelgänger.

[Peanut]

No I completely agree that Sonic is all but official, I just have trouble seeing how they could stick to his fundamental character and make him a good smash bros. character.

They made Zelda into a decent character didn't they? I can kind of picture him as a Mewtwo type character. Where they take various moves from different characters, (In Mewtwo's case, Samus' Charge Shot, Zelda's Teleport etc.) while also putting in a couple of more personal moves. Not quite a clone, but not quite a character all his own.

I can picture Sonic having a move like Yoshi's Egg Roll, as his Sonic Spin. And a variation of Fox/Falco's Dash move, as well as a take on Samus' Screw Attack. They can also add in that kind of homing-ball-thing he's done in all his 3D games, as his recovery/Up+B move too. So he's not without options. It would just kind of suck for him to be an amalgamation of other characters move-sets.

I see where you're coming from.

[ThirdMarioBro]

My guess is so not to castrate the Olympic games sales, they will fix it so you have to have a Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games save file on your Wii, then it unlocks Sonic in Smash or something. Trade off deal; Sega gets their money, Nintendo gets their's. Either way, Sonic is kind of written in stone at this point.

I don't care. I just want him in there. Give him Jigglypuff's endless roll, and just throw Jigglypuff out completely. Pac-Man would be sweet too. His Final Smash could turn all the opponents on-screen blue and gimp their mobility so they could be eaten. I'd like Mega Man, but that's stretching it.

And Palutena from Kid Icarus. They need more females in there, and if you invert her colors, you get Princess Lana from Captain N. Hell, Pit is already there. Might as well. I want Diddy and Dixie too.

[Peanut]

There are just so many great possible additions. I really hope we don't just get 2 or 3 more announced. I'd prefer if they just booted characters like Pichu and Dr. Mario, who serve no possible purpose, and work on some great new characters. Another character from the DK universe would be a good addition, TMB. I agree with you on that one.

I would rather have it branch out to different franchises, though. I mean, you've got 4 god damn Pokemon in there right now, and you've got probably a dozen that show up in Pokeballs. No more Pokemon! In fact, kick Pichu and Jigglypuff the hell out!

You've got everyone you need from the Mario franchise; LoZ is perfect as it is; (maybe minus Young Link) Meta Knight pretty much completes Kirby; Fox and Falco, I think, is actually too much for the Star Fox series; and everyone else is pretty much the only character needed for their respective franchise, with the exception of, perhaps, Donkey Kong.

I really feel instead of working on more characters for a singular game, they need to go to other places. Pit and Snake are the only new franchise additions. Get Little Mac in there, Olimar, TOM F*CKING NOOK! I know they're not done announcing characters, but I can't help but feel by the time we see the final roster, I'll be less enthusiastic about it than the past two games.

[Dinny]

Ridley anyone?

[Peanut]

Ridley anyone?

Nah. Ridley just doesn't seem to fit the game, and isn't he supposed to be f*cking huge? They've got enough flying characters in the game as it is, especially with the addition of Pit and Meta Knight.

[Dinny]

I dunno, I could see Ridley working as a cross between Bowser and Pit. But I don't know that they could make him a unique enough character to warrant his addition. What happened to all those rumours about Megaman which flew around after they announced Snake last year?

[ThirdMarioBro]

All Pokemon need the boot except Pikachu for a punching bag. I wouldn't mind Charmander though. Luigi needs a complete overhaul. Poltragust 3000 versus Kirby FTW. Little Mac needs to bring some uppercuts, and Falco needs to go. I would like Krystal in there, but it isn't a necessity at all. I want Dixie for the sheer value of floating all over the maps Peach Style, especially when Olimar (who is a must) unleashes a Pikmin army on the ground. Peach herself needs to have some of her "emotional overreactions" included. She's evolved a bit since Super Mario RPG and SMB2.

[Peanut]

Peach herself needs to have some of her "emotional overreactions" included. She's evolved a bit since Super Mario RPG and SMB2.

Oh, yes! Indeed, good sir. If Peach doesn't have some of the stuff she had in Super Princess Peach, there will be hell to pay. She's got room in her move-set for a pissed off, catch on fire and run everyone down move! And I hope they remove her generic pink umbrella and replace it with Perry!

[Cure]

Pikachu was my main........I was pretty good with him.

But yeah, if I had it my way, we'd have a mess load of obscure Nintendo characters. And I agree with you guys, more DK characters and new franchises in the game in general would be a blast. Like, wasn't Eternal Darkness Nintendo? I could be mistaken, but having moves that mess with your mind would be fun as hell.

[Cure]

Double post.........again.

Some major heads over at NOA leave, including Perrin Kaplan. (http://gonintendo.com/?p=19131)

[Mecha Cow]

Whoa. Didn't see that coming. Wonder what repercussions this will have.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Something bad is going to come of this. New people coming into NOA to make changes to the company during a time when Nintendo is already teetering on the edge of alienating their core fanbase in favor of grandmas and sudoku players?

Oh, and does anyone notice that all three of these people live in Seattle, don't want to leave, did a lot of good work for Nintendo in past years, know how Nintendo works inside and out, and Microsoft is right across the street?

*cue jeopardy think music*

You thinkin' what I'm thinkin'? Nintendo done gone and fu*ked up, big time.

[Peanut]

I'm thinking, who gives a sh*t? George is the only one who did f*ck all for Nintendo. Kaplan is just a know-nothing mouth piece, and I don't even know who that other b*tch is.

This won't have any effect on anything we see from Nintendo. Except maybe we won't have to listen to Harrison drone on during any more Nintendo press conferences, and we won't have to watch Kaplan rolling around on the floor with Matt Cassamasina from IGN.

They're in marketing, guys. Seriously. Not a difficult position to fill.

[愛]

Nintendo does marketing other than the "Wii would like to play" commercial? Damn.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I just think it poses an internal security risk, but then again like PJ said, who really cares?

[Duke]

I think you probably care more about it than 99.99% of people in this world. But to be honest you seem to be paranoid that Nintendo is going to destroy itself all the time.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Oh God, here it comes! "W0z3rzOMGWTFBBQ, Lucas is teh fanb0y7 lololzzzzzlololllllll!!!"

Spare me the bullsh1t. I think it's funny that they are so stupid. I quit caring some time ago. Nintendo makes mistake after mistake generation after generation. Hell, if anything I'm happy that Perrin Kaplan for one is gone. That quote she made a few weeks ago about how hardcore gamers are freaks who don't shower, and that they make enough core games while catering to the lowest common denominator. That pissed me off, and it shows that they think retro games and the occasional Mario will hold us off.

One Mario game a generation and a bunch of sh*tty TurboGrafx-16 games won't hold us over. And that is by no means an insult to the TurboGrafx. It has a great library, but J.J. & Jeff and Chu Man Fu don't qualify. I know. I review the garbage. I'd just as well grow a Mohawk and call myself Sean Baby.

I don't care. It just seems odd that they are so careless.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I decided I won't buy the Wii version of RE4 at retail because I don't want to encourage Nintendo to start porting GameCube games to Wii with waggle (though it is likely inevitable), but I will go ahead and get it used. I love that game too much not too.

On second thought, if enough people buy RE4, Capcom might prouduce a new Resident Evil exclusively for Wii.

Hmmm....double edged sword.

[Cure]

I decided I won't buy the Wii version of RE4 at retail because I don't want to encourage Nintendo to start porting GameCube games to Wii with waggle (though it is likely inevitable), but I will go ahead and get it used. I love that game too much not too.

On second thought, if enough people buy RE4, Capcom might prouduce a new Resident Evil exclusively for Wii.

Hmmm....double edged sword.

Umbrella Chronicles is an RE game. Different, but still an exclusive RE game.

[Brodie]

He's got you there, TMB.

[Peanut]

RE4 is one of the most overrated games of last generation.

Yeah, I said it.

[Spitfire]

RE4 is one of the most overrated games of last generation.

Yeah, I said it.

Can't more then agree with you there.

I played it the other day though, it stands up the test of time decently still. I mean it's fun none the less.

[ThirdMarioBro]

RE4 is one of the most overrated games of last generation.

Yeah, I said it.

Must be because you suck so hard at Gears of War.

[愛]

Aren't you the same kid who got their ass kicked in Mario Kart DS that one night all three of us played? :D

Got'cho back, Peanut.

[Mecha Cow]

God knows we don't need any more Wiimakes. F*ck that noise.

Now, for those worrying about how Smash Bros. Brawl would control:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various01/various01_070608a.jpg
Awesome.

[Brodie]

Must be because you suck so hard at Gears of War.

That coming from someone who probably cant use the trigger properly in Halo, especially with your dick for a connection...

[ThirdMarioBro]

Untrue. My hardware is plenty long enough to jack into the controller port for some good ole' fashioned last-gen gameplay.

God knows we don't need any more Wiimakes. F*ck that noise.

Now, for those worrying about how Smash Bros. Brawl would control:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various01/various01_070608a.jpg
Awesome.

Feeling good. Feeling real good. As much as I love the Classic controller, I'll be going GameCube for Smash. I'm too used to it, although the classic controller would probably be better for Smash attacks.

[Mecha Cow]

I'm too used to it, although the classic controller would probably be better for Smash attacks.
Actually, Sakurai says on the website that he recommends the GC pad.

[Brodie]

I think I'd probably use the classic controller...Just feels neat.

[Duke]

I'm probably going with the classic one at first, but if I don't think it feels right after a while I'm definitely switching to the GC.

[junkboy]

I will be using the classic at first,too , i think

[Peanut]

Must be because you suck so hard at Gears of War.

Gamerscore: Gears of War
Thirdmariobro - 180
MBCpeanut - 430

Or maybe, if I decided to put any time into the laggy, shotgun-fest multiplayer that is Gears online, I would completely mop the floor with you. I seem to fair pretty well in the difficulties higher than casual in single player.

Don't take my lack of interest in the online mode as an indication of my skill.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Gamerscore: Gears of War
Thirdmariobro - 180
MBCpeanut - 430

Or maybe, if I decided to put any time into the laggy, shotgun-fest multiplayer that is Gears online, I would completely mop the floor with you. I seem to fair pretty well in the difficulties higher than casual in single player.

Don't take my lack of interest in the online mode as an indication of my skill.

Oh come on, you know you are better than me. I'm gawd awful at any competitive game. I look for the cheapest, easiest, and most rewarding kills with the least effort. I also would have had all my ranked achievement a long-ass time ago, but I'd rather stay in player matches because I only want to bother playing the game with friends rather than waste time going for achievements, and everybody drops out of the ranked matches when I actually try to get the achievements which keeps them from actually counting. It's ridiculous.

Anyway yeah, you are a better gamer than me. You spend more time with your games, you are more devoted to playing everything to death, and I am openly awful at all competitive games (with the exception of Planet Puzzle League/Panel de Pon, for which I am your lord. Worship me).

Chainsaw kills FTW. Resident Evil 4, Gears of War, whatever. Chainsaw kills FTW.

[jeff the cheff]

Is super smash bros using the wii remote or what?

never played it before but it sounds like it'll be a good wii game

[ThirdMarioBro]

Ummm, yeah? It's using all of the afore mentioned controllers. So to answer your question, yeah. The Wiimote will have to use waggle because it doesn't have enough buttons. If you don't like that, then the Classic controllers and GameCube controllers will be there to serve.

[jeff the cheff]

So basically they could have made it a game for gamecube, or snes, but instead they put it on wii.

It's kinda like the new Mario Party...not that much of it used the motion sensors. I'm glad they didn't over-do it and make it gimmicky with 60 something games of waving the controller around (wario ware), but I want some games that actually use the wii remote.

[ThirdMarioBro]

It's Mario Party. Did you honestly expect Hudson to put any effort into it?

[junkboy]

For SSBB, i do not think it can be a game for GC or any other N- system.
Yes, there is not a HUGe graphic power difference between GC and Wii, but if you look at the screenshots of SSBB, you can see that they are indeed great.
I hope those are real gameplay pictures.
Also i hope there will be online play ( otherwise too many ppl will complain )

[Mecha Cow]

So basically they could have made it a game for gamecube, or snes, but instead they put it on wii.

You're right, they could have made Smash Bros. for SNES.

Is this how it's going to be with every Wii game that won't use the motion controls in an earth-shattering matter (For the record, that's about 80% of all Wii games)?

[junkboy]

Cause of Wii's low graphic power according to rivals, there is a belief that the only important thing for Wii is its unique controller. Yes, it has a different controller so new games with unique control systems are always something we want. Maybe i am talking that way cause that i am a Nintendo fan and buying first Big N's consoles in a new generation , but for me the new generation first party nintendo games are more important than the control system.
I am not a huge fan of third party games, so on those games i look for a good use of wiimote for pouring money on them

But there is a fact : after all it is Nintendo that has thought of such a controller system, so "Nintendo's" games must use the wiimote in a best way.
So far we could not see such revolutionary control examples, but i hope we will see in the future. ( I do not care much cause no matter what i will like Nintendo but if they want to attact ppl more and they do not want their sales go down , Nintendo must really work harder )

[Barkworm]

Behold, Smash Bros. Yoshi's Island Stage!!! (Copy and Paste) (http://www.gfdata.de/archiv06-2007-gamefront/3134.html)
Beautiful.

[Duke]

The Yoshi Island Stage looks amazing. I'm so excited now.

[junkboy]

Last 2 updates were indeed great for my liking...
Fox and then Yoshi's Island.
I really want this game to come sooner...

[ThirdMarioBro]

Stage design so far has been minimalistic, but damned if the art design isn't spot on. That is beautiful. The morphmation, the scribbles, the pop-up book style, and the crayon-esque backgrounds...its all there. It's amazing how they balanced the Yoshi's Island shading with the characters, who look completely out of place, just the way it should be. All the characters seemed to fit Melee's stages better because the whole thing basically felt like a Kirby game on steroids. That Yoshi's Island stage is what I was wanting from Brawl; for the game to preserve the style of the game in question.

Now, let's just hope the audio can match the stage's legacy.

[Mecha Cow]

Great looking stage, it's really interesting to see the YI style next to the 3D characters.

That website is such a c*cktease though. Update with something mindblowing!

[Peanut]

Looks great. I like the whole idea of the season changes, too. I can't wait to hear the orchestral score for that stage. DAMN!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Sakuri seems to have a system about this. One item, stage, song, character, and random fact a week thus far. Once we get past the initially revealed characters, the real fun starts.

My love for Yoshi's Island is limitless. That stage is made of pure concentrated win.

[Peanut]

I'm just going to come right out and say nothing surpasses Yoshi's Island on the SNES. Nothing.

[Barkworm]

Like, duh!!

[Cure]

I've just recently found out about those "advanced techniques" that are just basically exploited glitches in Melee. Wavedashing and whatnot. Can anyone do those things here?

Also, I visited smashboards.com, and I kinda don't like the things they discuss. Tournaments are fine, but banning almost every stage and all items sucks all the fun out of it. They're a buncha of elitist pricks over there.

Err......what was my point again? Oh yeah, how do you guys feel about those advanced techniques?

[Peanut]

I've just recently found out about those "advanced techniques" that are just basically exploited glitches in Melee. Wavedashing and whatnot. Can anyone do those things here?

Also, I visited smashboards.com, and I kinda don't like the things they discuss. Tournaments are fine, but banning almost every stage and all items sucks all the fun out of it. They're a buncha of elitist pricks over there.

Err......what was my point again? Oh yeah, how do you guys feel about those advanced techniques?

Just like banning stages and items, it sucks the fun out of the game. At one point, I actually learned how to pull off a couple of those tricks, and suddenly found my friends and the AI opponents couldn't even touch me in most cases, especially with wave dashing.

Which is why I hope if this game is online, none of us here will be into that bullsh*t. It totally ruins the fun of the game for me.

[Mecha Cow]

Who the hell plays Smash competitively anyway? It's like snaking in Mario Kart DS: you win, but you're completely missing the point.

[jeff the cheff]

Who the hell plays Smash competitively anyway? It's like snaking in Mario Kart DS: you win, but you're completely missing the point.

I just started Mario Kart DS online and everyone either does that, or they quit as soon as they fall behind. We should have an honest technodrome race.

[junkboy]

Are there any possible Nintendo online tournaments in forum?
I would like to play Mario Strikers Charged when my copy arrives ( with the PAL users )... And then the NTSC-U users, when the game comes to US by the end of July i think.

Or we can make some DS online matches.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Who the hell plays Smash competitively anyway? It's like snaking in Mario Kart DS: you win, but you're completely missing the point.

I salute you sir.

Yeah, I can wave dash, do the black hole, and a bunch of other annoying glitches, but I won't do it. It's people like those over-competitive cranks at SmashBoards that have complained until most of the stages in Brawl are going to be simple suspended platforms like Yoshi's Story in the first two games. That's as boring as you can get.

So no, I won't be cheating and I hope the rest of you won't either. It's Smash Bros; what's the point?

[Cure]

Yeah, some of the most fun stages in Melee are the ones where you gotta stay on your toes, like Pokefloats and Big Blue.

Anyway, have you guys checked out today's update? It's another nice music track; remix to the Ridley fight from Super Metroid. Sweet.

[Mecha Cow]

Going by the file description on the website, I'd almost say that pretty much confirms Ridley's appearance in the game. Who knows, though.

[Dr. Doom]

It could just as easily be one of Samus' stages, but Ridley being playable would not suprise me in the least.

As far as Yoshi's Island goes, they did release a lovely arrangement of the ending music to Yoshi Story very early after the site was created. That doesn't necessarily mean that's the stage's music, but it's a possibility. I'm personally hoping we get an arrangement of the Athletic theme from Yoshi's Island.

[Mecha Cow]

Well, what got me thinking was this:
It’s the theme song for Samus’s arch-nemesis, Ridley.

[Dr. Doom]

To specify, if Ridely wasn't made playble, then I could see it being a Samus stage.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Here's a post from the Smashboard to show just how stupid those fanboys are.


And of course the question on everyones mind : Will wavedashing be in Brawl?

I personally will boycott Brawl if it does anything to **** with an already perfect game. Note that I have no problem with new implications, moves, and the like. But removing things like airdodging and by association, wavedashing would cause me to break my copy in half and burn it.

losers.

[Cure]

Here's a post from the Smashboard to show just how stupid those fanboys are.



losers.

Ugh............do they even have fun when they play anymore? I don't think so.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=35202_SCL1_122_1172lo.jpg

Soul Calibur Legends scan. Taki playable in a Zelda-esque adventure setting with free form breast physics and Soul Edge and Soul Calibur as unlockables?

I'm off to preorder the baby. Later.

[Mecha Cow]

Well, I don't see them removing airdodging so I doubt their precious wavedashing will disappear, but seriously, they need to get a life or something.

[Dr. Doom]

I have Legends pre-ordered as well. I'd be happy just with Siegfried, but I'd love to see the rest of my favorite characters all represented (Maxi, Kilik, Raph). I'm not sure what they have planned as far as playable characters goes in a grand scheme, but I guess I've been given the impression that I shouldn't expect too much and that each character will have a unique game unto themselves. We'll see what happens.

[ThirdMarioBro]

June 14, 2007 - Insiders close to development studio NST allege to IGN that the software company's Wii action title, tentatively titled Project H.A.M.M.E.R., has been terminated by publisher Nintendo. Sources further claim that the team formerly working on the title is now underway with one or more efforts that fall into the "expanded audience" lineup of games.

We placed calls to Nintendo of America for an official confirmation or denial, but the subsidiary did not get back to us in time for publish.

Project H.A.M.M.E.R. was debuted at the Electronics Entertainment Expo 2006 in interactive form. The game starred players as a powerful half man and half machine fighter who, armed with a giant hammer, could obliterate any robot enemies in his path. Gamers gestured downward with the Wii remote in a simulated hammer smash to wield the weapon.

Project H.A.M.M.E.R. was last seen at E3 2006. The game's release date remains listed on Nintendo's official press site as "TBA," or to be announced.

Our sources were unable to provide a reason for the alleged termination. However, IGN Wii has heard separately that Nintendo is actively re-working some traditional games so that they are more accessible by casual players. If it is truly canned, Project H.A.M.M.E.R. may have become a casualty of Wii's newfound success in the mainstream market.

Readers are reminded that this rumor is currently unsubstantiated by official Nintendo sources. We'll keep you posted with any updates they become available.

Now, I'll admit the game looked pretty awful, and it wasn't that great at E3, but still. They've killed another core audience game for stuff that falls in the the "expanded audience" lineup of games: a.k.a. casual games.

The clock is quietly ticking down.
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In other news, I'll be attending the scaled-down invite only E3 in Santa Monica this year. You know, the show where Smash Bros. Brawl will be playable?

[Cure]

Now, I'll admit the game looked pretty awful, and it wasn't that great at E3, but still. They've killed another core audience game for stuff that falls in the the "expanded audience" lineup of games: a.k.a. casual games.

The clock is quietly ticking down.
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In other news, I'll be attending the scaled-down invite only E3 in Santa Monica this year. You know, the show where Smash Bros. Brawl will be playable?

Yeah, I just read about that. If it's true, I am seriously getting disheartened by these moves by Nintendo.

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, f*ck you too, Nintendo. I couldn't (Yes boys and girls, couldn't - Get it right) care less about Hammer Time or whatever, but this 'casual' sh*t needs to stop. Yes, it is popular at the moment, but it is a fad. Just stop it.

If it weren't for the fact that my TV sucks, I'd have a 360 right now. Thank God for the DS.

[Dr. Doom]

I was kinda looking forward to HAMMER, even if I would more than likely just be disappointed by it.

[Mecha Cow]

By the way, what is it with the recent polarization of the market? It's like everything on one hand is realism, bloom and 'hardcore' and on the other hand there's gimmicks, minigames and 'casual' stuff, with nary a thing in between.

Now I know this is a huge hyperbole, but it's a trend I've been noticing and it's starting to get on my nerves.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I called this a long-ass time ago, but people love to tell me I'm over-reacting. True, I do over-react a lot, but you can smell this sh*t brewing in the air. The Wii is so popular right now, all my local Wal-Mart Supercenters took their Ipods out of the display cases (aka lock boxes) and put the Wii and DS Lite in their place. I guess when you are that popular, you don't need fans huh.

So this is what we get for buying their sh*t for ten years when nobody else would? Lovely. Well, when the Wii fad passes and Apple enters the newly set-up market in a few years with something called.....let me take a stab....the igame, see if I'm still there to catch your ass Nintendo.

You walk out on us, we walk out on you. We're not to that point yet; not close either, but I see where this is going step by step. If I hear the words "GameCube Wii-makes" at E3, I'm walking out of the conference.

[Dr. Doom]

I do over-react a lot

You really, really do.

[Peanut]

You really, really do.

Get the f*ck out of here, tool. Nobody asked for your worthless insight.

So this is what we get for buying their sh*t for ten years when nobody else would? Lovely.

Seriously, man. Who kept those assholes alive for the last two generations of hardware? Their loyal fan base. And now, because of this huge casual market they've exploded into, they're completely leaving us behind. If this rumor is true, it really is a kick in the pants. No one gives a sh*t about Project H.A.M.M.E.R., but for them to can it for even more mini-game comps and other worthless casual bullsh*t? That's base treachery to the fans who even gave Nintendo an opportunity to make the Wii. They would have been third-party years ago, if not for the hardcore.

I never thought I'd say something that sounded so stupid, but Nintendo are f*cking sellouts.

[Brodie]

Is it weird that when I picture TMB typing...I picture Jimmy from the Wizard, and not Lucas from the Wizard?


It's so -bad-.

[Duke]

I'm sick of Nintendo's attitudes towards their real fanbase. All they seem to do lately is go out of their way to develop crap for their bandwagon fans. And that's exactly what they are their bandwagon fans. Does Nintendo really think these causal gamers are going to remain loyal when someone else develops a system even more appealing than the Wii? We all know its going to happen sooner than later because its a total copy cat industry.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Mark my words, it will be Apple. If people will pay $600 for a phone with a touch screen and a short battery life, they'll damn sure eat up an igame. Sony's on the ropes, Microsoft is doing passable, and Nintendo set the market up with their Apple lookalike hardware, streamlined design, and ease of use.

Apple will come in 3-5 years from now or less and rape the whole industry selling garbage games to the customers Nintendo is creating right now. I'm calling it here and now.

[jeff the cheff]

Yea **** all the people who aren't completely loyal to Nintendo, who wouldn't buy every single one of their systems besides the fun, addicting ones that attract normal people who don't sit on their ass and either play games all day or wait for new pictures of them online and talk about them all day.

Oh wait, I'm one of them.

I bought a DS and then a Wii because they were both fun and simple. And when I ask someone to come and play Wii, all I have to do is say...it's not like a real video game, it's simple stuff. I really bought a Wii because of stupid minigames, and the cool controller. But now I realize that this system won't last me long if there aren't some real games to play for it.


Either way, casual gaming is where its at. Don't knock nintendo if their new target is regular people who want videogames as something to do in spare time instead of all the time. Don't expect them to stay loyal to anybody, it's a business, and as respectable as you might think nintendo is, it's all about the money, and if they think little kids and casual gamers will make it, that will be their target.

[Mecha Cow]

Do you read this thread, like, ever? We're the last people to 'knock' Nintendo, and it certainly isn't without reason. Nintendo doesn't owe us sh*t, but that doesn't mean we have to like getting completely and utterly f*cked over by a company that pretends to be 'all about us'.

*E* By the way, did you just seriously try the 'I'm a cooler nerd than you guys' thing? Come on now.

[Duke]

I have no problem with them trying to appeal to the causal market. I even bought my 27 year old sister a Wii for her last birthday and she absolutely loves it. Would I buy her a 360 or PS3? No, because I realize she wouldn't enjoy that but she does enjoy the Wii and it's causal gamer market.

It's not that everyone has a problem with Nintendo expanding their market. It has to do with the fact their literally kicking their loyal fanbase in the balls by cutting projects (although HAMMER looked like a complete piece of crap) and reassigning the developers to make even more minigames. It's not that any of us are pissed project HAMMER got scrapped its the reason it got canned that's upsetting.

[Barkworm]

This casual fad needs to stop. SquareEnix, Ubisoft and Electronic Arts have all recently announced that they want a piece of this cake and they definitely won't be the last ones. And who can blame them? The Wii is selling better than PS3 and XBox 360 combined because of sh*t like Brain Age.

[jeff the cheff]

Do you read this thread, like, ever? We're the last people to 'knock' Nintendo, and it certainly isn't without reason. Nintendo doesn't owe us sh*t, but that doesn't mean we have to like getting completely and utterly f*cked over by a company that pretends to be 'all about us'.

*E* By the way, did you just seriously try the 'I'm a cooler nerd than you guys' thing? Come on now.

I realize how my post might have seemed contradictory since it's in a video game forum. I'm really not a casual gamer, and I'm not an actual gamer either. I guess I'm somewhere in between, but everything in my post still applies. I was trying to show both sides to this topic, which is better than everyone whining and agreeing on one thing.

So like I said, I do realize that in order for wii to last for me, I want a few real games that are like something ps3 and xbox360 would make....but I also want the minigame ****, wii sports mario party, etc...because thats why I bought the system, and it's why I was able to split the cost of wii with my 12 year old sister.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, like I said. It may be a fad, but its a fad that will last the entirety of this generation. Its amazing how quickly people complained about the PlayStation 2's influence on crappy games last generation, now we're all rushing out to buy a PlayStation 3 to support hardcore games.

[junkboy]

the main reason i am sticking to Nintendo still is
-not motion control
-not cause that i am a kiddy
-not it rules ( and probably will go on to rule during this generation ) in japan

the only reason is the first party games. None of the other companies have those first party legendary games ( for my liking )

This is not about PS3 or 360 or any other high power consoles that will come up in the future. But it is a fact that consoles are starting to look alike personal computers. Imo Ati and Nvidia devoured the PC gaming industry by their endless war of new hardware and new models. You know , a new model each 6 months ( although there is not any game in the market that can even use the full advantage of the last model)
What a pity consoles are going on this line, too.
On the way of being personal computers themselves.
Maybe most ppl like those computer based accessories that are attached to consoles like keyboards or such but i really dont like them.

Nowadays consoles are updated with new , bigger hard drives or such small details in small periods. Later it will spread to graphic cards.
But as long as , the industy goes on this way, sooner or later, consoles will just be like PCs. ( I gave up PC gaming last year, as i canceled my WoW account )

No one was waiting such a success from Nintendo, so a voice is coming up from every head in gaming industry. Most of them being : After some time nintendo will fail.. etc etc...
They talk that way cause they cannot understand how Wii ,being a crappy graphic powered system, lead in industry. (even most of BIG first party games due to come at the end of year still)

But i do not think Nintendo has such a big power to turn the way of games or the style of games in industry. While NGC was selling crappy, no one was saying anything about Nintendo, now Wii ***** up others and they accuse Nintendo of not taking gaming business serious...

Gah... As i have always said.
Probably the only reason for me to buy a 360 will be Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD remix... Yeah i prefer a downloadable game to new Halo or such.

[ThirdMarioBro]

For those who are against the use of obscene language, you may wish to skip the following paragraph.

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I've had enough. In Panel de Pon DS there is an unlockable theme you get for beating the CPU on difficulty level 10, speed setting 3 (hardcore mode). Its Lip's stage from the original Super Famicom Panel de Pon. Apparently, Nintendo of America has locked it out in the North American version. I find this out after spending two hours trying to kick the CPU's ass (which has been cranked to an insane level) with the cheap use of items.

What the hell is the fu*king problem? What is so offensive about a bloody fairy? They seem to think that people don't know how to look sh*t up on the internet and if they pretend the original game didn't exist, then it won't because they said so. I'm tired of being told what is fact and what isn't by a goddamn localization team.

The thing that really bothers me about this is that Lip was a planned character for Smash Bros. Melee who was scrapped due to lack of time. That makes her a no brainer for Brawl. Now, Marth and Roy had never been seen in North America prior to Melee. They were going to be scrapped in the NA version, but the game was being so rushed, they just let it go. That isn't the case this time.

If Nintendo is so goddamn hellbent on keeping North America from knowing that the "Puzzle League" design originally came from a game starring a bunch of fairies, they will almost surely scratch the character from our version of Brawl, not only pissing me off with the removal of the star of my favorite Intelligent Systems franchise, but also screwing the international Smash competition scene to hell and back.

I've had it with these bastards. First they sell out the people that kept them alive for the fad market, now they fu*k with what games that we do get because they don't want their precious "Touch Generations" market to see fairies in a goddamn puzzle game. Fu*k you Nintendo.

*edit*

So much for ever seeing import games on the Virtual Console. Screw this. I'm importing a mod chip for that sucker. I'm an honest person, and I'll gladly pay the inflated fee for every game they actually release, but I'm ripping everything they don't.

[Mecha Cow]

Can't comment on the Puzzle League thing, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see any Japan-only characters in Brawl. Marth and Roy's inclusion in Melee did a lot to raise local interest in Fire Emblem, and it's what finally caused the series to make it overseas. Nintendo knows this, and I could see them trying it with a different series.

[Peanut]

But why such a worthless, sh*tty character? F*ck. If they put in garbage characters like whatever the hell TMB is talking about, I'm going to be pissed. What a huge waste of a roster position.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I shall refrain from commenting on that remark.

[Cure]

Isn't there an item in Melee based on that fairy? Lip's Stick or something like that?

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, the flower thing.

[Peanut]

I shall refrain from commenting on that remark.

Seriously, man. No one knows or gives a f*ck who it is. And there's just nothing at all interesting about the character. They already have Marth, Roy, Mr. Game and Watch, and Ice Climbers in there. That's enough obscure Nintendo characters.

Like Cure and Mecha mentioned, that worthless flower is in the game. That's good enough.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Who would you rather have? King DeeDeeDee? There really isn't hardly any other big Nintendo characters I can think of that could be in Smash who won't already be in this one. Wario is there, Meta Knight, Pit (obscure as hell), and we can assume Diddy, Olimar, Little Mac, and a few others that are almost giveaways. Everybody else are just sidekicks from franchises already represented or just more random Pokemon. If you want to represent everybody, then you gotta' represent everybody. The character was going to be in Melee, but they ran out of time, so they left the item in and called it a day. Marth and Roy (two Intelligent Systems spawned characters) would have been scrapped in our version, but again, they ran out of time and just threw it out on the shelf as is.

I seem biased on the topic because I am. Intelligent Systems is my favorite developer and they never get any representation whatsoever.

[愛]

I'm still waiting for Don Flamenco to be in a Smash game. Meh meh meh! Then the sliver as he gets knocked out. So classic.

[Cure]

Manhunt 2 banned in the UK. (http://gonintendo.com/?p=19812)

[ThirdMarioBro]

Don't you love federal censorship? If Hilary gets elected over here, we'll have a similar system before long, constitution or not.

[Peanut]

Forget getting banned in the UK. It got an AO rating here in NA by the ESRB!!!

Link (http://kotaku.com/gaming/adults-only/manhunt-2-rated-adults-only-270337.php)

[Brodie]

Pshhhh, Now I'll buy it.

[Jed]

They banned it here too. I wasn't going to get it but I don't like the way censorship is heading.

[Ecto Jedi]

Forget getting banned in the UK. It got an AO rating here in NA by the ESRB!!!

Link (http://kotaku.com/gaming/adults-only/manhunt-2-rated-adults-only-270337.php)

From the article:

The rating comes in the wake of a campaign spearheaded by the Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood to get the Wii version of the game an AO rating.

The Campaign was asking people to send an email to the ESRB's Patricia Vance calling for the game to be rated Adults Only, essentially comparing it to an X or unrated movie, because of the "unprecedented combination of video game violence and the interactive Wii platform."

What. The. F*ck.

[ThirdMarioBro]

What is that, like the first Nintendo console game to get an AO rating in how long? Oh yeah, ever. I'm buying it. I'm hoping they don't delay it to tone it down to get the ole' M rating, but you know they will. Rockstar likes to act like they're the big sh*t, but Take-Two needs money, so we'll probably see a gimped game released.

Too bad. I was looking forward to this, but I won't be buying it if they gimp the violence.

[Barkworm]

I love some good violence in my games but this one is just sick. I'm all for getting this sh*t banned.

[Mecha Cow]

I agree with Barky. I'm not spilling any tears over this getting banned. At least the Wii is cool and mature now.

[Peanut]

I agree with both of you. Manhunt is f*cked. I really don't believe games like that should be released anyways. Rockstar likes to give the industry a bad name, it seems.

[Cure]

Check out some loser's list of top 10 Mario Sellouts. (http://www.games.net/video/net10/100140/ten-mario-sellout-moments?&AFC-HSUIT&ATTR=GONI)

His entire list is whacked, and he sounds completely bored.

[ThirdMarioBro]

That site is run by morons.


Who cares? More important things to worry about, such as Contra Fu*king 4!

http://gonintendo.com/?p=19895

[Cure]

Who cares? More important things to worry about, such as Contra Fu*king 4!

http://gonintendo.com/?p=19895

But.....but.......aw, you got me. :cry:

[Peanut]

Contra, one of the most overrated games of any generation. Hooray for a sequel to a franchise that should have long been forgotten.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Its amazing how you can be up one moment, then down another. The developer of Contra 4 is WayForward. Here is their catalog.

http://www.wayforward.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=4&Itemid=96

So much for that.

*shrugs*

[愛]

Contra, one of the most overrated games of any generation. Hooray for a sequel to a franchise that should have long been forgotten.

Are you spiteful that you got blown up by those rolling mines in the second level of the NES game? :)

[Peanut]

Wow! That's the most hilarious list of games I've ever seen! And no, I've never once gotten angry at Contra, because even as a kid I thought it sucked.

Anyways, I just watched that Mario "sellout" video...and is that queer serious? How the hell are any of the games on that list considered sellout games? Sunshine, Smash Bros., Yoshi's f*cking Island? Besides the fact that he doesn't even know what the term sellout means, he also gives the worst reasons ever. Mario is the ref in Punchout! SELLOUT! He wears his hat sideways on the cover of Mario Paint! OMFG! SELLOUT! I hate people.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I hate all people. This is a fact I learned as a child.

[Jed]

That would be an opinion though, not a fact:P

I really wanna get Yoshi's Island DS, damn the prices of DS games never going down.

[Peanut]

That would be an opinion though, not a fact:P

I really wanna get Yoshi's Island DS, damn the prices of DS games never going down.

Actually, wouldn't him hating all people be a fact? It's his opinion to hate people, but it's a fact that he does so. AM I NOT CORRECT!?

[Duke]

You are correct.

[Barkworm]

Don't buy Yoshi's Island DS, it sucks ass!!!

[Jed]

Actually, wouldn't him hating all people be a fact? It's his opinion to hate people, but it's a fact that he does so. AM I NOT CORRECT!?

Yes, you are correct. I have been put to shame:o

Is Yoshi's Island DS really not worth it? I've been dying to get it but I'm not paying €45 for it.

[ThirdMarioBro]

It just doesn't feel like Yoshi's Island. Granted, it is Miyamoto's true masterpiece, but they didn't even try to match it. The engine is there, but the style is shot to hell.

[Mecha Cow]

Yoshi's Island DS blows. It's a soulless ripoff of its predecessor with crappy mechanics and offensively ugly graphics.

Get Hotel Dusk instead. If you already own it, get it again.

[Jed]

What I'm gonna do tomorrow is take my DS into work and just play a bit of both on my lunch, that way I can know exactly what they're like. I can't wait for Resi 4 Wii version now (never got around to playing the GC one), I hear it's really good.

[Cure]

What I would like to know is why you guys think the original Yoshi's Island is so great. Don't get me wrong, I love the game (fighting Baby Bowser is hella fun), I'm just not as passionate about it as you guys.

[Peanut]

Because we aren't communist bastards like you! We also have souls and don't eat children! Mummy lover!

[Duke]

I didn't think Yoshi's Island DS was horrible, but it wasn't that good either. If you've never played the original, it would probably be a good game. But if you love the original, it's just depressing because it fails to capture any of the charm of the first.

[Cure]

Because we aren't communist bastards like you! We also have souls and don't eat children! Mummy lover!

Very valid reasons, indeed. Anyone know of any good restaurants where they serve children to take my mummy?

[Peanut]

Very valid reasons, indeed. Anyone know of any good restaurants where they serve children to take my mummy?

Keep your perverted questions in your "Dining on Children with Mummies" forum! Alright, pal!?

Anyways, yeah. Yoshi's Island DS does indeed blow the big one. I just thought musically it was a complete let-down, and the various baby controls just didn't cut it for me. It was destined to fail in my eyes, though. Yoshi's Island was one of those perfect games for me, no sequel could have lived up to it.

[Shredder]

How about playing Yoshi's Island DS on its own terms, rather than how this or that is different from the SNES game? Personally, I really enjoyed both... Plus, now days, how often do you get a brand new, 2-D side-scrolling platformer on any system? I really appreciated the game and wish more like it would come along.

Oh, and Hotel Dusk does indeed kick lots of ass, but it's not really comparable at all to Yoshi's Island (other than being on the DS).

[Leogeddon]

How about playing Yoshi's Island DS on its own terms, rather than how this or that is different from the SNES game? Personally, I really enjoyed both... Plus, now days, how often do you get a brand new, 2-D side-scrolling platformer on any system? I really appreciated the game and wish more like it would come along.

Oh, and Hotel Dusk does indeed kick lots of ass, but it's not really comparable at all to Yoshi's Island (other than being on the DS).

yes, i loved that game too, i haven't played it in almost a year though. :(

[Barkworm]

I just think Yoshi's Island DS is a really boring game. It's not just that it completely lacks the original's charm, the level design (at least in the few levels I played) is not that great either and the baby changing feels forced and slows down the game.
I also think it's impossible to play this without comparing it to the SNES one since it's supposed to be a sequel. Yoshi's Island is one of the very few games that are still every bit as fun as they were when they were released. A sequel has to live up to it's predecessor's legacy and this one simply doesn't.

[Mecha Cow]

Oh, and Hotel Dusk does indeed kick lots of ass, but it's not really comparable at all to Yoshi's Island (other than being on the DS).

Never said it was. ;)

And yeah, it's kind of hard not to compare YIDS to the SNES original since one is so obviously inspired by the other. Hmm, never thought I'd use 'Yoshi's Island DS' and 'inspired' in the same sentence...

[Peanut]

For Mecha...

The Tingle game gets a European release date. (http://ds.ign.com/articles/798/798274p1.html)

Still nothing for NA. F*ck.

[ThirdMarioBro]

What matters is that it is in English. Import.

[Mecha Cow]

For Mecha...

The Tingle game gets a European release date.

Still nothing for NA. F*ck.

I know. :') And September 14th is pretty close to my birthday too. Coincidence? I think not.

In other Zelda-ish news, Famitsu gave Phantom Hourglass a 39/40 score. That's higher than what they gave Twilight Princess, for reference. I'm so hyped for this game, and it even has Tingle too.

[Peanut]

Phantom Hourglass looks like the Zelda game I've been waiting for since The Wind Waker. I actually started playing through tWW, for the 5th time, last night after seeing the PH trailer. I love the art-style sooooo much.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, it will have to work pretty hard to beat Twilight Princess in my book, but that's just my opinion. I know how you guys feel, so please don't start.

Its good to know that the touch screen seemingly hasn't broken the game, though I wish they would have included D-Pad support as well. I feel more and more like the next Nintendo handheld won't have a D-Pad.

Anyway, here's looking forward to a kick-ass Zelda I can take to bed with me.

[Cure]

That is definitely reassuring. Looks like I need to buy me a DS........again.......

[Peanut]

That is definitely reassuring. Looks like I need to buy me a DS........again.......

You had one and got rid of it? Someone ban this fool!