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cqb101

03-22-2005, 01:29 PM

Thomas Haden Church, who was most recently nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor in "Sideways," has been cast as Spider-Man's new archenemy in the next chapter of the "Spider-Man" adventure, it was announced by director Sam Raimi and producers Laura Ziskin and Marvel Studios' Avi Arad.

Spider-Man 3, which is scheduled for release on May 4, 2007, will reunite the successful team that was responsible for the first two blockbuster films. The franchise has grossed more than $1.5 billion in worldwide ticket sales and the new film will again reteam director Raimi, producers Ziskin and Arad, and actors Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker/Spider-Man and Kirsten Dunst as M.J..

Production on Spider-Man 3 is scheduled to begin early next year.

"In addition to the on-going relationship between Peter Parker and M.J., these films are driven by the great actors who have brought our villains to life," said Raimi. "Thomas Haden Church will be a fantastic and challenging new nemesis and we all look forward to working with him."

The identity of the new villain is being kept secret and while speculation is rampant about which character is being called into action, the studio will not comment on the casting beyond confirming Church.

Well, he's too old for Venom(Thank god), I'd assume that if Lizard is going to be in it they'd recast Dylan Baker.....I think it's probably either Vulture, Sandman or The Scorpion.

Voltron

03-22-2005, 02:14 PM

This guy isn't too old to play Eddie Brock. I'm still keeping faith. Besides, Sandman, Vulture, and Scorpion would be terrible for a movie. One's a common crook, the second is a flying geezer, and the third is a moron.

BartAllen

03-22-2005, 02:17 PM

at this point. it could be any of the spidey villians. but i think.. at this point no matter who they choose its going to be a little goofy. other then doc ock and green goblin.. and possibly kraven the hunter. the rest of spidys rogues are sort of goofy.

Voltron

03-22-2005, 02:20 PM

If it's the Hobgoblin I'm shooting myself.

Bart, I agree with you for the most part. However, I think that Venom and the Lizard could carry a movie. Them and Alistair Smithe..

Kid Icarus

03-22-2005, 02:23 PM

It should be Hobgoblin. I mean, damn, two movies with the set up for that story line? Isn't that enough?

I'd like to see Mysterio though, but that'd pry blow the special effects budget through the roof.

cqb101

03-22-2005, 04:57 PM

Duke

03-22-2005, 05:00 PM

This is the last movie.

cqb101

03-22-2005, 05:15 PM

This is the last movie.

Yep, and that's why they shouldn't use Venom. Not enough time to expnad on his character and with him in there the Goblin storyline won't get resolved.

cowabunga14

03-22-2005, 05:21 PM

That'd be great if Bruce played Mysterio. He'd do a great job. I think Harry will become Green Goblin II. There was like four Green Goblins in the comics. James Franco would do a geart job as a villain. He must have vengeance for Norman.

raphael_is_cool

03-22-2005, 05:27 PM

I'm sure they'll just have a villain that starts off all nice, acts almost like a mentor to Peter Parker then goes crazy and tries to kill him, kidnapping MJ in the process. It's two out of two so far.

Voltron

03-22-2005, 06:07 PM

Bah, I really, REALLY hope it isn't Venom. First of all, yes, he is too old to play Brock. Brock is suppose to be a couple of years older than Peter. Church is in his mid 40's. Secondly, they need to resolve the Goblin storyline before they move onto other villains. Finally, one movie is not enough to set up Venom and show him for who he really is and treat the character the way he SHOULD be treated.

If I was in charge(I wish!) I would have two villains in this one, Green Goblin(Harry) and the Lizard. Both characters have been introduced, and anyone who's seen Spidey 2 knows the Goblin is inevitable. During the movie introduce Brock and his hatred for Petter, and end the movie with John Jameson coming back from space( a la the animated series), and then use the next three movies(doubtful, but here's hoping) for Venom and even Carange(And up it to an R rating,too).

Oh, and Bruce Campbell should play Mysterio. He'd pull the character off perfectly.

Look, just because Church is in his 40's doesn't mean he can't play Venom. It would be mostly CGI, anyway, so it's not like he'd have to worry all that much about fantastic stunts. Besides, the movies have so far been only loosely based off the comics, so making Eddie Brock in his 30's (while Parker is in his 20's in the movies) isn't going to rock the very foundations of society.

I'm sure they'll just have a villain that starts off all nice, acts almost like a mentor to Peter Parker then goes crazy and tries to kill him, kidnapping MJ in the process. It's two out of two so far.

And considering that 1/4 of New York knows who he is now, that should be two hard to pull off.

Shadow Leonardo

03-22-2005, 09:15 PM

It most definetely will be the second Green Goblin. If it was Venom I hope they use Venom's Neversoft Spidey game voice then it would be a good laugh. :lol:

Brodie

03-23-2005, 07:50 PM

If it isn't Venom, I won't be watching it. No ****ing lie.

Barkworm

03-23-2005, 10:32 PM

I still think Venom would ruin the third movie. Maybe in the fourth one.

Spitfire

03-23-2005, 10:40 PM

I hope he plays Venom I hear hes kinda big so he could fit the role. I dont want to see any other villian. Save the best for last. They already did Goblin and Octopus. The Lizard could be in it but Dr.Connors is already being played by someone else so Church cant be The Lizard. The Vulture is just lame and couldnt carry a movie so I hope he isnt the one either. I would like to see Kraven maybe too but hes no major villian either. I think, and Im sure most fans agree, that Venom should be the villian. Sides the tech and computer graphics exist now to do such a creature
And Backworm there isnt going to be a 4th movie. And if there is no one doing the first 3 will be in it or have anything to do with it

KROW

03-23-2005, 11:17 PM

Bah, I really, REALLY hope it isn't Venom. First of all, yes, he is too old to play Brock. Brock is suppose to be a couple of years older than Peter. Church is in his mid 40's. Secondly, they need to resolve the Goblin storyline before they move onto other villains. Finally, one movie is not enough to set up Venom and show him for who he really is and treat the character the way he SHOULD be treated.

If I was in charge(I wish!) I would have two villains in this one, Green Goblin(Harry) and the Lizard. Both characters have been introduced, and anyone who's seen Spidey 2 knows the Goblin is inevitable. During the movie introduce Brock and his hatred for Petter, and end the movie with John Jameson coming back from space( a la the animated series), and then use the next three movies(doubtful, but here's hoping) for Venom and even Carange(And up it to an R rating,too).

Oh, and Bruce Campbell should play Mysterio. He'd pull the character off perfectly.
I agree all the way. I don't think we're ready for Venom just yet. Also, since Sony is planning on 3 more films, albeit that the same actors might not be cast, I think we can wait for the villain in at least the fourth or even fifth installment.

I'd rather they continue with Lizard and Harry as the Goblin. It just makes more sense.

As for Thomas Haden Church as the new bad guy, Scorpion might work. Remember that Jonah hired him to take down Spidey in the first place. A deeper focus on Jameson, and J.K. Simmons' portrayal of him (which was fabulous), would be a great thing to the franchise.

Also, on a sidenote, if they ever cast a man to play Sandman, they should highly consider Henry Rollins.

Barkworm

03-23-2005, 11:19 PM

HAHAHA, you're right, he really looks like Sandman.

Spitfire

03-24-2005, 12:15 AM

Wait 3 more movies? Oh no.....it's going to turn into Batman so by the time we do get Venom the movie series will suck :(

ThirdMarioBro

03-24-2005, 01:18 AM

I want Venom. I want Venom now. That is all I will say. :D

Demented Utrom

03-24-2005, 02:07 AM

I want Venom and carnage in this movie.It would be rated 14A if carnage was in it.

BartAllen

03-24-2005, 04:29 AM

I have a feeling we are going to see either A. hobgoblin.. or B. Greengoblin.. with harry behind the mask.

KROW

03-24-2005, 08:27 AM

Wait 3 more movies? Oh no.....it's going to turn into Batman so by the time we do get Venom the movie series will suck :(
Have faith, man. It's Marvel. :D

Quite frankly, I think that a new cast wouldn't be too bad. As long as it's done well, of course. If James Franco and J.K. Simmons stay, I'm sure we could get over that hump.

Mecha Cow

03-24-2005, 09:02 AM

I think the ending of the second movie made it pretty clear the third movie will include Green Goblin II (Or Hobgoblin...Harry Osborn anyway) ...Let's hope he gets a better costume; that stupid Power Ranger suit from the first film seriously ruined part of it for me.

I'd like to see Venom, but I don't think both Goblin and Venom (And maybe the Lizard too) in one movie would work.

Duke

03-24-2005, 09:43 AM

Why does everyone want venom in this movie?

I mean I love Venom too but come on people, trying to condense Eddie Brock/Venom's character into 1 movie (without any setup from the previous movies) would butcher him. Seriously, if they put Venom in a movie I want him done right. I respect Vemon and I wish some of you guys would too.

ZariusTwo

03-24-2005, 10:21 AM

The 90's animated series did'nt even bother with Venom that much outside of "The Alien Costume", he's a VERY limited character, and even Marvel have given the symbiote to Mac Gargan (the Scorpion) because Brock is stale now.

I would prefer it if Brock became Venom at the end of the film, but would be a hinderence to Peter in Spider-Man 3

At this moment, I think Chruch should play Spencer Smythe, creator of the Spider-Slayers, given Harry's fortune, he can afford to hire someone like that.

Jester

03-24-2005, 10:45 AM

Makes sence, Goblin 2 and Spider Slayers. That just might work....

KROW

03-24-2005, 10:46 AM

At this moment, I think Chruch should play Spencer Smythe, creator of the Spider-Slayers, given Harry's fortune, he can afford to hire someone like that.
Ah. Very good idea, there. That definitely could work.

cqb101

03-24-2005, 04:20 PM

I still think Venom would ruin the third movie. Maybe in the fourth one.

Same here, and it seems the majority of fans agree. Most want GG2 and another villain in this one to wrap up the storyline before they continue.

Oh, and if there IS a fourth movie, it'll suck. Raimi, Dunst, and Maguire wouldn't be returning for it.

cowabunga14

03-24-2005, 05:10 PM

How 'bout Green Goblin II and the Lizard? Would that work form Spider-Man 3? They could team up with Spenecer Smythe. I dunno. The Spider Slayers would be a good idea though.

ZariusTwo

03-24-2005, 05:10 PM

How 'bout Green Goblin II and the Lizard? Would that work form Spider-Man 3? They could team up with Spenecer Smythe. I dunno. The Spider Slayers would be a good idea though.

Three villains?

This is'nt Batman and Robin...

Brodie

03-24-2005, 06:20 PM

More than 3 flicks? Venom with nipples, anyone?

03-25-2005, 12:57 AM

Venom with nipples? THINK OF THE CHILDREN! :lol:
Venom
Greengoblen II / Hobgoblen
Lizard

one of those three would be a good addition. maybe it could be one of the villans and the introduction of another in movie 4 or 5. i have heard rumors that this could go up to no. 5. then again, they are only rumors

FireFly

03-29-2005, 03:33 PM

well its Confirmed the spider-man 3 villain is

SANDMAN

heres the article
Comics2Film is reporting that Thomas Hayden Church will be playing Sandman in the new Spider-Man 3 movie.

Multiple spies at Sony have confirmed that Thomas Hayden Church will indeed be playing SANDMAN. There's a ton of Sandman conceptual art all over the Spidey-offices!

full article herehttp://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=12242

sweet :D

ZariusTwo

03-29-2005, 03:38 PM

Sandman is an original choice, a vastly underated villian who never got enough exposure outside the comics, thank god Raimi chose him rather than Venom

IceFlash78

03-29-2005, 04:30 PM

Somebody mind giving a brief description of the Sandman?

Knowing Raimi, I'm sure Spidey 3 will be awesome, but I could see fans complaining about the inclusion of a "minor" villian rather than a "major" villian, but like Zairus said, it hsould be cool... THe minor villian would get a "breath of fresh air" as there would be no "preconceptions" about how the villian should be.

Besides, all of the major villians...i.e., Venom, The Lizard, etc.. would need to be set up somehow in the previous two movies (other than simply introducing the people that would become those villians...). The only villian they set up was Green Goblin II/Hoboglobin (I always get those two mixed up :ohwell: I hope they continue with that storyline.. it woudl suck if we didn't see what Harry does after he finds his father's Green Globin outfit.

Anarky

03-29-2005, 04:33 PM

Sandman - a bio (http://www.marveldirectory.com/xoops/modules/wordbook/entry.php?entryID=572)

cowabunga14

03-29-2005, 04:44 PM

That's great that Sandman will be the new villian. It'll nice be to actually see his origin on a movie. His weakness is water and that means that Spidey will really have to think on how to defeat him. I'm wonderin' what'll happen with Green Goblin II. That story arc should be in the movies. At the end of Spider-Man 2 it made you think that Harry would bring vengeance for his father. He went into the room and found all the Green Goblin gear. That story arc should at least be covered in Spider-Man 3.

ZariusTwo

03-29-2005, 04:49 PM

The only villian they set up was Green Goblin II/Hoboglobin (I always get those two mixed up :ohwell:)

For the record, Harry was never the Hobgoblin in the original comics (although Bendis is apparently preparing to make Harry The Hobgoblin in Ulitmate Spider-Man)

cqb101

03-29-2005, 05:56 PM

well its Confirmed the spider-man 3 villain is

SANDMAN

heres the article

full article herehttp://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=12242

sweet :D

Don't get your hopes up, it hasn't actually been made official yet. This rumor was originally reported by AICN, one of the least reliable sites on the 'net.

Sandman's my first choice, though so I hope to god this is true.

Brodie

03-29-2005, 07:16 PM

Well, atleast there's still hope for Batman.

Spitfire

03-29-2005, 11:10 PM

Well when I first heard Doc Oct being reported as the villian I thought that idea sounded stupid. Boy was I wrong! Sandman would be great anyways. I dont want a rehash villian that would be so stupid I probly wouldnt even go see the movie. We already had Goblin. That scene at the end isnt about Harry wanting to become his father it's about him discovering his fathers secert and comming to terms with the fact that he died doing evil deeds. he pretty much just forgave Spiderman in a sense

Duke

03-29-2005, 11:22 PM

Spitfire666xXxXx, have u ever read a spiderman comic?

Spitfire

03-30-2005, 12:00 AM

Yes I own alot. 100s even. In fact I own more Spider-man comics then any other comic book*Though my TMNT are catching up* Not that it isnt totally obvious or anything but Im going to ask anyways. What does that matter?

Barkworm

03-30-2005, 02:06 AM

That scene at the end isnt about Harry wanting to become his father it's about him discovering his fathers secert and comming to terms with the fact that he died doing evil deeds. he pretty much just forgave Spiderman in a sense
I'd bet money that that's NOT the case.

ZariusTwo

03-30-2005, 03:39 AM

cqb101

03-30-2005, 05:25 AM

GK Punk

03-30-2005, 06:12 AM

Duke

03-30-2005, 07:30 AM

Harry becomes the Hobgoblin to avenge his father, essentially...No Harry becomes the green goblin to avenge his father.

GK Punk

03-30-2005, 07:45 AM

*slaps forhead* I knew I screwed something up in there. :lol:

Spitfire

03-30-2005, 08:14 AM

cowabunga14

03-30-2005, 09:01 AM

In case some of you don't know Hobgoblin's real name is Roderick Kingsley. Harry Osborn is Green Goblin II. I don't get confused cuz I know the characters real names.

KROW

03-30-2005, 09:10 AM

So, it'll be Thomas Haden Church as Sandman?

Why?

I mean, look..

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/pictures/enemies/sandman/sandman01.jpg
http://i.esmas.com/image/0/000/004/148/thomashaden_NT_.jpghttp://www.choler.com/images/featuresart/rollins_face.jpg

It's just... Bah, whatever. I'll still see the damn movie.

cowabunga14

03-30-2005, 09:16 AM

It looks like he's the right selection to play the character. Is Bruce Campbell gonna have an appearence in Spider-Man 3?

KROW

03-30-2005, 09:18 AM

I still say Rollins would be better.

And no, I'm not obsessive about it.

Voltron

03-30-2005, 10:55 AM

I know all of that but that doesnt mean the movie is going to be exactly the same as the comic book now does it. From what I remember Doc Oct's comic story wasnt the same as his movie story. His movie story was new and so I think Harry's story will be new as well that's all. Dony assume I dont read any comic books because I think outside of what I read

The most recent Hobgoblin is the X- Jack O' Lantern, who eventually gets cloned like Spider-man and then we got Demogoblin is is bascially a demon. I didnt get the whole mini series explaing that sadly <_< And yeah. He's dead already though all of the Hobgoblins are. I dont remember but I know Harry has become more villians sides Hobgoblin. Didnt he turn into a giant warewolf creature in one of the Kraven story arcs? I need to go dust off my comic book collection and give it another read

You're right, the movies are only loosely based on the comics. In the movies, Doc Ock was a charming man with a loving wife and had no intention of being a demented, evil genius. Doc Ock in the comics was a bitter, lonely man whose one shot at happiness was ruined by his overbearing mother who he later watches die of a heart attack, then snaps after he's fused to the mechanical arms and goes about trying to kill people, marry aunt may, and cure AIDS. All the crazy things people do.

The Green Goblin should be Harry, but I remember reading somewhere that they may just make it so Harry realizes his father's misdeeds and comes to terms with Spider-Man (a stark contradiction to what happens in the comics).

KROW has a good choice for Sandman. Rollins really looks the part. However, I still believe that Sandman couldn't carry a story line. Why? Because he's a pile of sand and Sandstorm is the exact same concept.

ZariusTwo

03-30-2005, 12:55 PM

The most recent Hobgoblin is the X- Jack O' Lantern, who eventually gets cloned like Spider-man and then we got Demogoblin is is bascially a demon.

Hobgoblin was'nt "cloned" at all, he made a pact with a demon, and BECAME Demogoblin, Demogoblin then tore himself from Hobgoblin and became a seperate entity.

Macendale has been dead for years, he was killed by the original Hobgoblin, Roderic Kingsley

I didnt get the whole mini series explaing that sadly <_< And yeah. He's dead already though all of the Hobgoblins are.

Kingsley, the original Hobgolbin, is still alive, and is currently staying clear from the states, he's scheduled to return soon though

I dont remember but I know Harry has become more villians sides Hobgoblin. Didnt he turn into a giant warewolf creature in one of the Kraven story arcs? I need to go dust off my comic book collection and give it another read

...Harry has never been anyone BUT The Green Goblin. In the original comics, he was NEVER Hobgoblin, and he certaingly was'nt Vermin from the Kraven arc either, nor was Vermin even a werewolf

The Green Goblin should be Harry, but I remember reading somewhere that they may just make it so Harry realizes his father's misdeeds and comes to terms with Spider-Man (a stark contradiction to what happens in the comics).

Harry made peace with Peter about a billion times nearly every time he became The Goblin and was "talked" out of it, but the spectre of his father and his pain forced him into the role again and again until his death.

Brodie

03-30-2005, 06:33 PM

Raimi, in a Wizard article, said that he was unsure of Harry's future, because he wanted to give Harry more credit, as a character, and mentally, to being stronger and possibly overcoming his father's deeds. But he also said it'd be good to see Harry in a suit like that.

Spitfire

03-30-2005, 10:05 PM

Hobgoblin was'nt "cloned" at all, he made a pact with a demon, and BECAME Demogoblin, Demogoblin then tore himself from Hobgoblin and became a seperate entity.

Macendale has been dead for years, he was killed by the original Hobgoblin, Roderic Kingsley

Kingsley, the original Hobgolbin, is still alive, and is currently staying clear from the states, he's scheduled to return soon though

...Harry has never been anyone BUT The Green Goblin. In the original comics, he was NEVER Hobgoblin, and he certaingly was'nt Vermin from the Kraven arc either, nor was Vermin even a werewolf

Harry made peace with Peter about a billion times nearly every time he became The Goblin and was "talked" out of it, but the spectre of his father and his pain forced him into the role again and again until his death.

Well that's why I said its been awhile and I didnt read all of the demogoblin stuff. I just have the issue where Demo and Dopple team up and try to kill Spidey and Hob. I love seeing Dopple getting impaled

Jester

03-31-2005, 08:31 AM

In the Ultimate Universe, isn't harry taking up the mantle of Hobgoblin rather than the classic Green Goblin 2?? maybe the movie will do it that way as well.

ZariusTwo

03-31-2005, 11:05 AM

In the Ultimate Universe, isn't harry taking up the mantle of Hobgoblin rather than the classic Green Goblin 2?? maybe the movie will do it that way as well.

The movies hav'nt taken anything from the Ultimate Comics, they are trying to be as faifthful as they can to the classic comics

cowabunga14

03-31-2005, 04:45 PM

Sandman is gonna be the villain for Spider-Man 3. Don't worry about Green Goblin II cuz he ins't the main villain. If Raimi wanted Hobgoblin to be on the movie then he would need someone to play Roderick Kingsely. James Franco isn's gonna change his role and he'll continue playin' Harry Osborn. Green Goblin II would probably be in the fourth Spider-Man movie if there will ever be one.

Spitfire

03-31-2005, 09:54 PM

Yeah you right someone doing a sequel to an already great series that should have ended would be stupid enough to do a re-hash villian. I mean dont get me wrong I like Goblin but I dont want to see a whole nother movie about him. Even if it is Harry and not Norman. A comic is one thing but a 2 hour movie is another. But that's just me. Hey it could be a totally different movie since a new cast will be used. Oooo What if they did a movie of Legacy. Where Goblin comes back and sends cyber golbin hookers after Spider-man ahhh I loved that comic
http://img36.exs.cx/img36/252/img03376sa.jpg

Well I used to anyways I havnt read it in years

XERO

03-31-2005, 11:02 PM

About Venom, how about that he just gets his own movie spin-off and have it connect with the Spider-Man films?

ZariusTwo

04-01-2005, 07:00 AM

About Venom, how about that he just gets his own movie spin-off and have it connect with the Spider-Man films?

Because he really does suck as a hero...

ZariusTwo

04-01-2005, 09:26 AM

Some new plot details regarding Spider-Man 3

According to sources, Peter Parker will be rendered mute for a while in this movie following a near fatal suffocation sequence initiated by The Sandman, in order to make a living after being fired from the Bugle for being part of the reason M.J dumped John Jameson, Peter decides to return to showbuisness, however, since he's now mute, the producers of the show Peter now works for, "The Electric Company" will now have to put word bubbles above everything he does to translate what he's saying. :D

Voltron

04-01-2005, 09:56 AM

STUPID! Sand man? Ugh...

It's almost like they don't want this movie to be good. Who even though up Sand Man? I'd liked to have sat in on that meeting.

Editor-"I've got our new villain! Sand Man! He brings all the horror of a sunny day at the beach to the readers!"

Intern-"I usually have fun at the beach."

Editor-"Nonsense! The place is a horrifying death trap! The dunes! The broken shells! The sharks!"

Intern-"...He has the power of sharks, too?"

Editor-"Well... no. But the sight of his sandy composition will call up repressed memories of sharks. Scary ones. ...you're fired."

ZariusTwo

04-01-2005, 10:22 AM

STUPID! Sand man? Ugh...

It's almost like they don't want this movie to be good. Who even though up Sand Man.

Stan Lee and Steve Dikto.

And he's not that bad of a character, he's just too low-key to be considered a real threat

raphael_is_cool

04-01-2005, 10:25 AM

he's just too low-key to be considered a real threat

What do you mean? Have you seen the cracks that sand can get into?!

GK Punk

04-01-2005, 10:34 AM

ZariusTwo

04-01-2005, 10:35 AM

What do you mean? Have you seen the cracks that sand can get into?!

I meant comic-wise, not in terms of how powerful he is.

Sandman was never given enough exposure, so the mainstream have no real idea who he is, and will have no reason to care, despite the fact he's probably a better chracter than the overated Venom.

Voltron

04-01-2005, 10:44 AM

Nah nah no...I disagree. Venom is far and away the better character here. Sandman has no real story. He's just a disgruntled crook who just carries a chip on his shoulder and, as luck would have it, can turn into sand. (Which is arguably the worst power ever-next to Aquaman)

Venom has the drive and a deep rooted hate for Spider-man. It provides interesting character dimensions for the movie to explore. Sand Man, on the other hand, is about as exciting as a brick.

raphael_is_cool

04-01-2005, 11:07 AM

I meant comic-wise, not in terms of how powerful he is.

And I was joking :p

Sandman was never given enough exposure, so the mainstream have no real idea who he is, and will have no reason to care, despite the fact he's probably a better chracter than the overated Venom.

But it sounds like you're defending a character who never even got developed (never given enough exposure). I'm not a Spiderman expert but a character that got a lot more coverage and a lot more development, making them more familiar, sounds better than a pissed-off crook that 'never got enough exposure' and therefore is undeveloped and uninteresting.

ZariusTwo

04-01-2005, 12:11 PM

But it sounds like you're defending a character who never even got developed (never given enough exposure). I'm not a Spiderman expert but a character that got a lot more coverage and a lot more development, making them more familiar, sounds better than a pissed-off crook that 'never got enough exposure' and therefore is undeveloped and uninteresting.

I meant in terms of major things like an action figure (he did get one eventually) or an apperance in the 90's animated series (they went with Hydro-Man...who barly anyone had heard of at that point), he actually did appear in the classic Spider-Man cartoons, but, as you said, was'nt developed back then in the comics.

It was in the 90's that Sandman became quite a good character, he reformed and became a reserve Avenger before being brain-washed by The Wizard and becoming evil again.

Sandman has no real story

Niether did Venom after about...seven stories, as they had to bring in Carnage just to keep him fresh, and then BOOM, he became a generic superhero, need I remind you of all those crappy "Leathal Protector" mini-series that dragged him down?

Paul Jenkins had to give Brock cancer and supply Mac Gargan with the Venom symbiote, another example of trying new things with the character

04-01-2005, 04:39 PM

hmm...Sandman as a character? i don't know....i havn't seen him or heard of him until i read through this thread. shows how much people know him :roll: but they could tweek the story abit, change him, i don't know...do something that will make everyone who watches it look back on it and say "God, i'll never forget that..." but who knows? this is a guy that some people think goes around putting little kids to bed before 9:00!

cowabunga14

04-01-2005, 04:41 PM

Sandman's real name is William Baker and he changed it to Flint Marko. What kind of name is that? Its worse then Zebulon Pike IMHO. Anyways hopefully Harry will get married on Spider-Man 3. I wonder who would play Eliazabeth "Liz" Allen Osborn. They should at least have Harry get married if Green Goblin II isn't on the movie. He needs more attention as Harry Osborn not as Green Goblin II. I'm hopin' he will get married so the character can devleop just like he did in the comics.

Peanut

04-01-2005, 08:20 PM

I would have much rather seen Mysterio, Electro, or Rhino. Rhino only if he ends up being a secondary villian to GG II.

Spitfire

04-02-2005, 02:10 AM

Venom is so loved because he was made up by Todd. Spider-man finially had a dark ruthless killer who was insane. He became popular because of that. Sure there were others but Venom was the cake taker. Carnage too but he came later

ZariusTwo

04-02-2005, 07:14 AM

People want Venom, because he'd look great on screen, not because he neccersarily IS great as a character, it's a matter of choosing style over substance, it's the reason so many people bash the Hulk movie, they don't want a story with a good degree of deapth into what makes someone a monster, they just want to see some great huge C.G.I effect

I've never even beleived Venom should be as popular as he is over far better characters like the Kraven we saw in "Fearful Symetary", or The Chamelion for that matter

John 14:6

04-02-2005, 07:16 AM

I meant in terms of major things like an action figure (he did get one eventually) or an apperance in the 90's animated series (they went with Hydro-Man...who barly anyone had heard of at that point), he actually did appear in the classic Spider-Man cartoons, but, as you said, was'nt developed back then in the comics.
Really? I thought Sandman was in that series. I've known who he was for a while... I think in the comics at one point he and Hydroman combined into some kind of mud monster.
I think they could do a great movie of Venom at this point. The animated series did it all in 44 minutes (two 22 minute episodes). They had the Brock character developed already but the movie would have over an extra hour to do that...
But I think Raimi will make Sandman into a great villain. I bet those sand effects and battles will be awesome!

raphael_is_cool

04-02-2005, 08:22 AM

They had the Brock character developed already but the movie would have over an extra hour to do that...

But the second film had a load of slow crap at the start... :P

ZariusTwo

04-02-2005, 09:39 AM

Really? I thought Sandman was in that series. I've known who he was for a while... I think in the comics at one point he and Hydroman combined into some kind of mud monster.

Oh sure, Sandman was far more popular and well known than Hydro Man in the comics, and they occasionly battled

Spitfire

04-02-2005, 11:18 AM

Brodie

04-02-2005, 11:45 AM

If they're gonna waste all that cash on a pretty much CGI villian, why not go the extra ****ing mile and please fans by making it Venom? It just doesn't make sense. With Venom, there's a story, and reason behind what he does. There's the idea of compassion towards Brock cause he is a sad character. I really don't care about Sandman, there's not one arc in a Spider-Man comic where I thought "Oh, God, it's Sandman, he's so complex! How will Spidey get outta this one?!"

He's a thug, who gives a damn?

**** Sandman.

ZariusTwo

04-02-2005, 11:57 AM

If I remember Sandman was in Spiderman 2 Electro's Revenge for PS1 and in that game he had alota cool attacks he could do and such with his Sand. I think they still picked someone cool to do. I really cant think of a SPider-man villian I woulnt want to see in a movie
Except like Paste-man and Boomrang gah. Alota people wouldnt want to see Kain or The Jackel either....or Spidercaide but I liked the Clone comic series. I think most people disliked it because Peter gave up being Spider-man and I guess Scarlet Spider-man wasnt cool enough for people. I liked Ben myself but that's just me.

People hated the Clone Saga because the writers never knew when to END it, Ben became Spider-Man (something nobody wanted to see), and the saga just dragged on until they had to bring back Norman Osborn of all people to kill Reily and establish Peter as Spider-Man again.

If they're gonna waste all that cash on a pretty much CGI villian, why not go the extra ****ing mile and please fans by making it Venom? It just doesn't make sense. With Venom, there's a story, and reason behind what he does. There's the idea of compassion towards Brock cause he is a sad character. I really don't care about Sandman, there's not one arc in a Spider-Man comic where I thought "Oh, God, it's Sandman, he's so complex! How will Spidey get outta this one?!" .

Blame Raimi, he's a fan of the classic comics and villains, and is throughly against using Venom, it's possible that when he leaves, Hollywood will use Venom used in Spider-Man 4 alongside Carnage.

The only fans that would be pleased are those who only bothered reading the comics in the 90's and watched the animated series, it's far too easy to rely on that character, especially when Kraven the Hunter had a throughly superior storyline in "Fearful Symetary"

Voltron

04-02-2005, 01:09 PM

No, I don't want Carnage. I just want a movie that I can geek out over. Way to ruin it, Raimi.

ZariusTwo

04-02-2005, 01:52 PM

No, I don't want Carnage. I just want a movie that I can geek out over. Way to ruin it, Raimi.

Let's not judge the movie before it's even filmed

Voltron

04-02-2005, 02:59 PM

Let's not judge the movie before it's even filmed

Pffft. But that would be the mature thing to do.

John 14:6

04-02-2005, 03:19 PM

But the second film had a load of slow crap at the start... :P
Yeah, that's where they'd develop the Brock character in the Venom movie :D
It's kind of funny that there are people who would prefer Venom because of the story aspect that he brings and Sandman doesn't. But that just adds more slow stuff. The only thing I like about that is it gives ,me time to go to the bathroom ;) Just bring on the special effects! :lol:

ZariusTwo

04-02-2005, 04:13 PM

Hey, movies actually used to be about SUBSTANCE rather than STYLE, a superhero film that panders to the latter is'nt a true comic film at all

Jester

04-02-2005, 04:40 PM

Eddie was mentioned in passing in Spidey one...or at least i think it was him....he couldn't get any good shots of Spider-man....thus giving Peter an in...Brock could have been fired from the Bugle in favor of the teenage free-lancer...they coud show that in flash backs...kinda a guy pete never knew who wants to kill him....but again...Venom would take up too much time,. and there are other characters that could hold a movie....

Brodie

04-02-2005, 06:16 PM

If they ever get the balls to do a Venom flick, they should go the route of the Jenkins arc, 'The Hunger.' Where Brock is such a great character, and handled well.

Until then:Venom in Spider-Man 3 (http://www.deviantart.com/view/16792587/)

raphael_is_cool

04-03-2005, 01:37 AM

Hey, movies actually used to be about SUBSTANCE rather than STYLE, a superhero film that panders to the latter is'nt a true comic film at all

But...but...Sin City...

I always figured they could use something like MJ's ex-fiancee, John Jameson, for Venom. Considering he's an astronaut (if I remember rightly) so the symbiote would come out of space and take over him (like Species 2 or something :p ). Then you'd just have to build around him being pissed with Peter Parker and discovering he's Spiderman or something. Just a random idea...

John 14:6

04-03-2005, 06:53 AM

Hey, movies actually used to be about SUBSTANCE rather than STYLE, a superhero film that panders to the latter is'nt a true comic film at all
That's ok, I prefer the style :D
Venom would take up too much time
I still have to disagree with this. The FOX series did a good job in about one hour. The movie will have at least twice as long...

Brodie

04-03-2005, 08:55 AM

I disagree with what you said, Zarius, about Rami despising Venom. In various Wizard magazine articles, he's said that Venom is an intriuging character, and he had never said he didn't like Venom. But then again, he also said a while back that he wanted to know what the fans wanted for the next villian.....Looks like he listened real good.

I find it sick and twisted that a guy who made movies like Evil Dead 1, 2 and Army Of Darkness doesn't want to do a movie with a character with such a twisted story, and look, and with a macabre-feel to him. It's nuts.

malignant

04-03-2005, 09:27 AM

Save Venom for when the movies start to go south and begin to suck. Just look at Batman...

Venom would easily save the franchise.

ZariusTwo

04-03-2005, 10:33 AM

But...but...Sin City.....

That's both :D

Save Venom for when the movies start to go south and begin to suck. Just look at Batman...

Venom would easily save the franchise.

That's what fans said when Batman and Robin used Bane...

Duke

04-03-2005, 11:05 AM

That's what fans said when Batman and Robin used Bane...That wasn't the bane i knew.

ZariusTwo

04-03-2005, 11:13 AM

That wasn't the bane i knew.

Precisly.

So when Raimi departs the movies, there is no guarantee that the next producer or director will have been a comics fan, or knows how to handle comic movies and characters

Brodie

04-03-2005, 11:20 AM

Put this image in your head....Zarius' signature on a big screen....Mmmm, striped shirts...

Ya turtkey.

ZariusTwo

04-03-2005, 11:23 AM

Put this image in your head....Zarius' signature on a big screen....Mmmm, striped shirts...

Ya turtkey.

Sandman has had two coustumes, one being his original clothing, and a far more ridiclous looking armour...

Brodie

04-03-2005, 12:26 PM

I just like his flat top.

cowabunga14

04-03-2005, 01:34 PM

I got a link to an article on a Venom movie. The release date is unknown.http://www.comics2film.com/ProjectFrame.php?f_id=217 (Venom article)

Jed

04-03-2005, 03:19 PM

I got a link to an article on a Venom movie. The release date is unknown.http://www.comics2film.com/ProjectFrame.php?f_id=217 (Venom article)

Broken link? :ohwell:

I'd be willing to give Sandman a try, I'd be interested to see what they'd do. Venom would be my first choice but I'd want the films to do justice to him! I'd especially like to see Spidey get the symbiote first in the movies.

KROW

04-04-2005, 08:08 AM

Mecha Cow

04-04-2005, 08:21 AM

2) In the films, Peter's still a rookie. Storywise, he's not ready for Venom yet.
I think he was supposed to be more seasoned in the second movie. It took place two years after the first, after all, and since it's possible the third will take place another few years later, I wouldn't say he's a rookie anymore.

I totally agree with your first point though. Hell, I think they would have at least introduced Brock in the previous movies if they were planning on including Venom in the third.

Meh, Sandman works I guess, as long as he's a secondary villain (As I said earlier, I think it's pretty obvious the Goblin will be the main baddie).

KROW

04-04-2005, 08:28 AM

I think he was supposed to be more seasoned in the second movie. It took place two years after the first, after all, and since it's possible the third will take place another few years later, I wouldn't say he's a rookie anymore.
I see your point. I think I was more leaning towards the storylines and experiences of the comics as a comparison to the films. I'd like to see Sidey take on villains like Sandman, Scorpion, Electro, and Mysterio before Venom, though. I think it's better that way. It feels more apt to the Spider-Man mythos, as it were.

Dane E5R

04-04-2005, 08:53 AM

That's what fans said when Batman and Robin used Bane...

Why would fans say that, when Batman Forever wasn't a flop?

ZariusTwo

04-04-2005, 10:38 AM

Why would fans say that, when Batman Forever wasn't a flop?

They knew Burton was'nt coming back for Batman and Robin (He was a consultant on Forever, probably why it looked far better when Schumacher was directing)

raphael_is_cool

04-04-2005, 10:45 AM

Here's why Venom wouldn't work:

1) Story development would kill the film. We'd need an introduction to Brock, a rivalry to start for a news story, the hoax to arise for Brock to hate Spider-Man, the introduction of the symbiote, and for it to bond with Brock, then for Venom to fight Spidey, all in 2.25 hours. The symbiote alone would take up half the movie.

I don't think there are development issues. The thing is once everything's set up all you'd get is a load of fight scenes (and probably MJ in trouble again etc.) so Sand Man would have to be a pretty interesting character and create some good dynamic. Otherwise it'll be the same old story again.

But as I already said (but I doubt anyone cares), I think they could use John Jameson as Venom because there you'd have some motivation since his character has a Peter Parker related past and if I recall correctly he's an astronaut so it wouldn't be too hard to link the symbiote that way or something.

Brodie

04-04-2005, 12:46 PM

I love how people are thinking there's gonna be all these Spider-flicks after the first 3, and they'll still be good. Get it straight, no one from the original trilogy will be involved with the next flicks. This isn't Star Wars.

If you're gonna have one last good amazing run at the Spider-Franchise before someone pisses all over it, go all the way and do Venom.

Sandman is one of the worst choices for a new villian. Hate to break it to all you people who are "filling the cup" over it. But Sandman is a ****** character.

Green Goblin? Amazing character.
Doc Ock? A character torn between whats right and wrong, and well done. Great.
Sandman? Well, I guess if people want to see a borderline autistic villian, go right a-****in'-head.

Peanut

04-04-2005, 02:49 PM

I agree with Brodie. Seeing as this is the last Spidey film we know of, wouldn't it be good to go out with a bang? Even if it isn't Venom. At least have someone better than Sandman.

ZariusTwo

04-04-2005, 03:13 PM

cowabunga14

04-04-2005, 03:53 PM

Raimi could suprise people as if they don't expect it. He could not show the good parts of Sandman in the trailer and then suprise eveyone at the theatre. It just might work. I'll sure he'll really make Sandman really hard to fight but easy to defeat.( Water is Sandman's weakness.) Either way Raimi will suprise Spidey fans and movie goers alike.

raphael_is_cool

04-04-2005, 04:23 PM

90% of you are just bashing him because of his allegedly "poor abilities", and because Venom is more mainstream.

Newsflash: Sand can suffocate you, sand can smother you, sand can drown you if it's turned to quicksand.

I think we're all aware how deadly sand can be. But on a side-note, I'm sure Spider-Man's mask helps towards preventing suffocation or getting sand in his eyes.

It seems the big complaint is that there won't be a very good dynamic. It'll just be an angry villain that needs stopping. No interesting story at all (not that number 2's was that great)

Brodie

04-04-2005, 04:31 PM

90% of you are just bashing him because of his allegedly "poor abilities", and because Venom is more mainstream.

Newsflash: Sand can suffocate you, sand can smother you, sand can drown you if it's turned to quicksand.

Rami is more than a Spide-Man fan (and clearly one of the Lee/Dikto era) he's also a horror direction, and maybye he relishes a villain that can seem so common, yet can be exceptionally dangerous

I'm bashing him because he's a piss poor choice. I didn't choose Venom because he's more mainstream, he's just a better villian, especially since he isn't really a villian. He's an anti-hero. He hates Spider-Man, would kill Spider-Man, but he doesn't ever really go forth to slaughter people. Not on purpose anyways. Carnage does. I didn't think it was important that he was mainstream, hell I think Omega Red would be a good villian for the X-flicks, and he sure as hell isn't as Mainstream as, oh, I don't know, Magneto? Sure, Red ain't a C-Tier character, but still.

I know Spider-Man and I know Raimi. And if Raimi is still as good at his horror style as he was with ED2, then he should go with Venom. Venom is probably the closest we'll get to a classic monster villian in the Spidey franchise.

I'm just saying, how about you listen to what people say, rather than make your accusations like you ALWAYS do. Not everyone is as stupid as you make us all out to be.

Voltron

04-04-2005, 05:39 PM

Cool it guys. Let's keep this civil.

On topic, I agree with Brodie. Part of Venom being mainstream is the fact that he is a great character. Double fueled hatred towards Spider-Man with a story that people can relate to, as well.

No one is going to watch a guy get caught in an atomic blast then transform into sand and think to themselves: "Yes...I know exactly what he's feeling. It's like Raimi took my deepest emotions and brought them to screen. Kind of gets a guy...no I'm not crying! There's something in my eye! Well let's see you keep your composure when a movie is strummin your pain with it's fingers...tellin my life with it's words...killin me softly with his...er, sand..."

KROW

04-04-2005, 10:34 PM

Part of Venom being mainstream is the fact that he is a great character. Double fueled hatred towards Spider-Man with a story that people can relate to, as well.
Which is exactly why it won't happen. It can't fit into the timeframe needed for a Spider-Man film. The first two were just shy over 2 hours. There's too much story to cram in to get the full emotion that you all want for Venom to actually work.

I'm not saying I prefer Sandman to be the featured villain. Quite frankly, my theory is that he'll simply be a distraction so that Harry can utilize the Goblin armor and weaponry for a much bigger fight at the end of the film; a much bigger bang that has been developing since the first film ended.

I think it wise to stop complaining that Venom will not be in this movie. It's kind of fruitless, isn't it?

cqb101

04-05-2005, 04:09 AM

I know Spider-Man and I know Raimi. And if Raimi is still as good at his horror style as he was with ED2, then he should go with Venom. Venom is probably the closest we'll get to a classic monster villian in the Spidey franchise.

Man-Wolf would be a better choice than Venom if that's what you're looking for.

Voltron

04-05-2005, 07:13 AM

I think it wise to stop complaining that Venom will not be in this movie. It's kind of fruitless, isn't it?

Thanks KROW, your stinging wisdom has brought closure to my meaningless crusade. With the utter unimportance of my opinions so kindly put in their place, I retract all statements I have made on the subject of Venom's character and his pertinence to the third Spider-Man film.

Man-Wolf would be a better choice than Venom if that's what you're looking for.

Thats true. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up in the third film. I'm just surprised that it's Sand Man because they've got a few other characters set up (Kurt Connors, Harry Osborn, Cpt. Jameson), that Sand Man is completely out of left field.

KROW

04-05-2005, 07:40 AM

Thanks KROW, your stinging wisdom has brought closure to my meaningless crusade. With the utter unimportance of my opinions so kindly put in their place, I retract all statements I have made on the subject of Venom's character and his pertinence to the third Spider-Man film.
And your stinging sarcasm proves that you didn't entirely understand what I meant. Your points are realized, and well thought out, that's perfectly clear. But I see arguments building from the debate on the character of Venom and its non-existence in Spider-Man 3. Keep it going and where will it lead? I mean, it's been established that there will not be a Venom, so why continue to state why you, as well as other members, want him in the film so much?
Sand Man is completely out of left field.
And so would Venom be if he were in the third film.

raphael_is_cool

04-05-2005, 07:44 AM

And so would Venom be if he were in the third film.

Not if he were Cpt. Jameson.

Peanut

04-05-2005, 07:47 AM

I think you can stop trying to sell the 'John Jameson as Venom' idea now.

KROW

04-05-2005, 07:49 AM

Not if he were Cpt. Jameson.
So forget Eddie Brock and just throw in a replacement to get Venom into the movie by any means necessary? Why?

Voltron

04-05-2005, 08:01 AM

Barkworm

04-05-2005, 08:34 AM

I encourage everyone to spread the love like Matt did.

raphael_is_cool

04-05-2005, 08:49 AM

So forget Eddie Brock and just throw in a replacement to get Venom into the movie by any means necessary? Why?

Because he's already established as a character and could have motives to hate Peter Parker. Cuts all the 'story development' crap people keep going on about when they were happy to sit through around 45 minutes of 'Peter Parker has problems with his job, he and his Aunt are having financial troubles, he loses his job, his education is suffering'. When at the end of it all it was boring as hell and barely any of it is even resolved anyway, you just see he beats the bad guy and gets MJ (although you could argue MJ brings money in and he gets his life back on track but the film shows no such pay-off)

I think you can stop trying to sell the 'John Jameson as Venom' idea now.

I'm actually surprised someone noticed :roll:

KROW

04-05-2005, 09:03 AM

Because I'm a fan of Venom, KROW, and I relish the opportunity to converse with other Spider-Man fans about what villains should and should not be in the third movie. What have I done wrong here other than state my opinions and hold a perfectly legitimate debate? :-? Now will you get off my back or what?
For the luvva Peter Parker...

Did I say you were wrong? Did I say your opinion was crap? No, I didn't. I said it was realized and well thought out. I know you're a big Venom fan. I am, too. However, I think it's best to stop arguing about it and instead actually discuss it. That's what I'm saying, and it wasn't directed solely at you. I understand that you want to debate the issue. Others seem like they don't.

So, with that, let's discuss the issue, shall we?

I feel that to have Venom in a Spider-Man film, it needs to target on Venom instead of another villain on the side. Venom, to me, is too important a character to be sidelined by another villain. This is another reason why Venom wouldn't work right in the third movie. Venom's pertinence in the third film is overshadowed by the Green Goblin's. To have both those characters in the same film would not do Venom any justice at all. It's too much story and it would bog down the whole movie experience.

Picture this. Let's say that Venom was in the film. We'll need an origin, a motive, and a big fight scene (maybe two) to resolve the conflict with Spider-Man. Now, to do Venom right, you'd need Eddie Brock, The Daily Bugle, a hoax of some kind to make Brock hate Spider-Man, the symbiote's introduction, as well as it's own reasoning for eventually bonding with Brock, and the fight scenes. Gather that with Peter's life with MJ, his aunt, his job, his schoolwork, etc., and you've got a film, right?

Wrong.

Most people would sit there and think, "Where's Harry? What about the Green Goblin? Are they saving that for a fourth film? I thought they were only making three. What happened?"

Venom + Spider-Man 3 = bad decision

The Green Goblin has been etched in the proverbial stone as Spider-Man's main arch-nemesis. Venom is way too important to be taken lightly just so a few fans can see him on the big screen.

As for the "Only three movies" debate, this was told to be the last Spider-Man movie for Raimi and the original cast, not altogether.

Because he's already established as a character and could have motives to hate Peter Parker. Cuts all the 'story development' crap people keep going on about when they were happy to sit through around 45 minutes of 'Peter Parker has problems with his job, he and his Aunt are having financial troubles, he loses his job, his education is suffering'. When at the end of it all it was boring as hell and barely any of it is even resolved anyway, you just see he beats the bad guy and gets MJ (although you could argue MJ brings money in and he gets his life back on track but the film shows no such pay-off)
That's basically what Spider-Man is about right there. But Jameson hating Parker just for stealing MJ, when it was her decision to leave him, is ridiculous to have him bond with a homicidal symbiote and kill him.

raphael_is_cool

04-05-2005, 09:52 AM

[COLOR=Yellow]That's basically what Spider-Man is about right there. But Jameson hating Parker just for stealing MJ, when it was her decision to leave him, is ridiculous to have him bond with a homicidal symbiote and kill him.

You're missing obvious possibilities. Surely if he blamed MJ, Peter Parker is still involved...otherwise, the symbiote can be known for bringing out irrationality. You get a more complex character if the enemy wants to kill his quarry yet at the same time can't understand his motives (although that was done in the past two films but only exploited at the very end of each). He loved MJ and she betrayed that trust and left him at the altar for great embarrassment. He can also believe Parker is responsible.

I'm just saying I'd make a more inventive play-on the concepts. I like to write scripts and work with adaptations, personally. Not that I expect the film to use any of these. I just figured I share some ideas and open them up for discussion as I'm not greatly knowledgable on Spider-Man history. I don't expect everyone, or even anyone, to agree but perhaps just discuss it

ZariusTwo

04-05-2005, 11:21 AM

I agree a great deal with what KROW has been saying, Sandman will not be this grand villain with an agenda against Peter, he will be a FLUNKIE for the real threat: Harry, this film will see him cofront more than a handful of demons which have been relevent to his life, his father haunting him, knowing Peter is Spider0Man, M.J's love, and the alleged slayer of his father, it will see him look at the deeds Spody performs and wrestle with a fairly unstable conflict.

I hope a great deal of "The Child Within" will be used in this movie, it would deeply explore Spidy's character as far as his parents are concerned and his abandoment issues, as well as Harry struggling with his father's expectations

Like it or not, this trilogy has had a story arc between three specific individals, and throwing Venom in there, someone universally more powerful than Harry, and with his own personal storyline, would unfairly unbalance the scales and just prove a distraction for the personal conflicts between Harry and Peter, and for what? So audiences can get off on a special effect?

Brodie

04-05-2005, 12:26 PM

Man-Wolf would be a better choice than Venom if that's what you're looking for.

Hey whens Tarantino's Band Of Brothers rip-off coming out?

Joking...

cowabunga14

04-05-2005, 03:32 PM

Sandman is a great idea for a villain and his origin won't take up almost half the movie. Norman Osborn's Oscorp drug that made him Green Goblin was a very short orgin for the first movie. Sandman's shouldn't be really long. Would you rather have Kingpin or Big Wheel as the Main villain for Spider-Man 3? I think not. Sandman's a good choice for the main villain and its not really hard for his origin to be made short.

Brodie

04-05-2005, 04:39 PM

Wow, I agree totally.

I changed my mind, SANDMAN ALL THE WAY!

Voltron

04-05-2005, 04:44 PM

For the luvva Peter Parker...

Did I say you were wrong? Did I say your opinion was crap? No, I didn't. I said it was realized and well thought out. I know you're a big Venom fan. I am, too. However, I think it's best to stop arguing about it and instead actually discuss it. That's what I'm saying, and it wasn't directed solely at you. I understand that you want to debate the issue. Others seem like they don't.

So, with that, let's discuss the issue, shall we?

I feel that to have Venom in a Spider-Man film, it needs to target on Venom instead of another villain on the side. Venom, to me, is too important a character to be sidelined by another villain. This is another reason why Venom wouldn't work right in the third movie. Venom's pertinence in the third film is overshadowed by the Green Goblin's. To have both those characters in the same film would not do Venom any justice at all. It's too much story and it would bog down the whole movie experience.

Picture this. Let's say that Venom was in the film. We'll need an origin, a motive, and a big fight scene (maybe two) to resolve the conflict with Spider-Man. Now, to do Venom right, you'd need Eddie Brock, The Daily Bugle, a hoax of some kind to make Brock hate Spider-Man, the symbiote's introduction, as well as it's own reasoning for eventually bonding with Brock, and the fight scenes. Gather that with Peter's life with MJ, his aunt, his job, his schoolwork, etc., and you've got a film, right?

Wrong.

Most people would sit there and think, "Where's Harry? What about the Green Goblin? Are they saving that for a fourth film? I thought they were only making three. What happened?"

Venom + Spider-Man 3 = bad decision

The Green Goblin has been etched in the proverbial stone as Spider-Man's main arch-nemesis. Venom is way too important to be taken lightly just so a few fans can see him on the big screen.

As for the "Only three movies" debate, this was told to be the last Spider-Man movie for Raimi and the original cast, not altogether.

That's basically what Spider-Man is about right there. But Jameson hating Parker just for stealing MJ, when it was her decision to leave him, is ridiculous to have him bond with a homicidal symbiote and kill him.

KROW, if you are unhappy with the way I conduct myself then PM me and do not spam up this thread. If you are unhappy with the way the discussion is going then leave. No one else has a problem but you.

Back on topic.

ZariusTwo

04-05-2005, 05:10 PM

KROW, if you are unhappy with the way I conduct myself then PM me and do not spam up this thread.

He was'nt spamming the thread up at all, his comments towards you were also directed at the other Venom supporters in here arguing for thier preference rather than discuss whenever or not it was appropriate at this point, the rest of the post gave valid points regarding why Venom should'nt be included.

Voltron

04-05-2005, 05:16 PM

Back on topic.

:| Am I talking to myself here? This is the third time I've asked you people to lay off. Now back on topic or I lock the thread.

愛

04-05-2005, 05:18 PM

You guys got one chance to get back on topic or this is getting locked.

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Switch to this shampoo and everything will be fine.

Duke

04-05-2005, 07:03 PM

I totally agree w/ Krow. I'm a huge fan of Venom but he just wouldn't work in this movie and he shouldn't be included just to please some "fans." I put "fans" in quotes because I consider myself one but would actually be pretty upset if venom was in this film.

Also I'm not sure Sandman would have been my first choice but he definitely wouldn't have been my last. But since I'm sure Harry as the green goblin will be the major focus of the film, I have no problem w/ Raimi's choice.

Also if Capt. Jamenson was Venom I don't think i'd watch the film. I can't stand comic book movies that rape and butcher characters origins. Messing with Doom's origin is why I'm not so excited about the Fantastic Four movie.

KROW

04-06-2005, 08:35 AM

You're missing obvious possibilities. Surely if he blamed MJ, Peter Parker is still involved...otherwise, the symbiote can be known for bringing out irrationality. You get a more complex character if the enemy wants to kill his quarry yet at the same time can't understand his motives (although that was done in the past two films but only exploited at the very end of each). He loved MJ and she betrayed that trust and left him at the altar for great embarrassment. He can also believe Parker is responsible.

I'm just saying I'd make a more inventive play-on the concepts. I like to write scripts and work with adaptations, personally. Not that I expect the film to use any of these. I just figured I share some ideas and open them up for discussion as I'm not greatly knowledgable on Spider-Man history. I don't expect everyone, or even anyone, to agree but perhaps just discuss it
I understand where you're coming from. But this approach is reminiscent of what Burton did to the Batman franchise. He did some zigzags and turned some screws in the films.

My disagreement is that I don't think being jilted at the altar is a good reason to bring an uber-violent character such as Venom into a film. It's an interesting concept but lacks a good motive. Eddie Brock had so much more reason to hate Parker and Spider-Man than Jameson could.

But hey, if you want some Jameson revenge, you'll see what Jonah does to Peter in the third flick. :P

Jester

04-06-2005, 08:49 AM

Even though it's highly unlikely we'll see Venom in Spidey 3, I'll repeat that a character named "Eddie" was mentioned in the first movie....it'd be kinda weird if that one line character attacked parker...it'd be like...."We'll destroy you parker" *pulls back symbiote mask*
Who are you??
Eddie Brock, Bugle photograhper...you stole my job!!
Who??

raphael_is_cool

04-06-2005, 11:59 AM

I understand where you're coming from. But this approach is reminiscent of what Burton did to the Batman franchise. He did some zigzags and turned some screws in the films.

My disagreement is that I don't think being jilted at the altar is a good reason to bring an uber-violent character such as Venom into a film. It's an interesting concept but lacks a good motive. Eddie Brock had so much more reason to hate Parker and Spider-Man than Jameson could.

But hey, if you want some Jameson revenge, you'll see what Jonah does to Peter in the third flick. :P

I appreciate the discussion.

But I believe the motive is good enough, considering the last film had an evil computer chip that turned Doctor Octavius. I also explained why if the motive is not substantial enough that is what would perhaps cause an internal character conflict between the symbiote's homicidal tendencies and the bearer's rational thought.

I also don't believe losing a job is any better a motive than what I listed. Consider part of why Bill wants the Black Mamba dead in Kill Bill, perhaps. Although the engagement idea would perhaps need more development or to have been given a greater impact, (which is no longer possible).

But I understand why fans wouldn't want the origins fiddled that much and I know the film might work better with Harry as the Green Goblin at this point in time.

Peanut

04-06-2005, 12:03 PM

I'd rather have no Venom than a bastardized version of him.

cqb101

04-07-2005, 12:09 PM

I'd rather have no Venom than a bastardized version of him.

That's what I've been saying all along. Apparently the "fans" don't agree. :roll:

愛

04-07-2005, 12:34 PM

While I think Venom would be a wonderful villain to include in the next film, I generally take what I can get. I wouldn't mind Green Goblin again because they basically set that up in the second film. Then again, mostly any villain would do the job of providing entertainment. I mean, it's Spider-Man.

Brodie

04-07-2005, 06:19 PM

I would rather see Venom than no Venom at all. Bastardized or not. Just to see him, because no movies, after the first trilogy, are good (ok, there are few exceptions). And Spider-Man will go the way of a Bruckhiemer flick, and have nipples sewn on his suit.

ZariusTwo

04-07-2005, 06:21 PM

Brodie

04-07-2005, 06:28 PM

Don't forget a Sandman/Green Goblin crotch shot.

ZariusTwo

04-07-2005, 06:35 PM

"It's the webs right? Chicks dig the webs"

And a Spider-Credit card.

Brodie

04-07-2005, 06:46 PM

Ahahahaha, A Spider-Cod-Piece.

Duke

04-08-2005, 12:58 AM

I would rather see Venom than no Venom at all. Bastardized or not.I really can't believe people feel this way. I find it sad and almost depressing.

FireFly

05-05-2005, 06:32 PM

ZariusTwo

05-05-2005, 08:31 PM

God, I hope not, there are still plenty of classic villains to use

1. Spencer Smythe, creator of the Spider-Slayers
2. Chamelion
3. Kraven The Hunter
4. Vulture
5. Electro

The Stryker

05-05-2005, 08:51 PM

I would rather have Electro in the Original Suit then Sandman, I never cared about Sandman and I doubt, Unless Raimi pulls a Miracle, Audiences will care either

*Watches New Batman Begins Trailer again*

05-06-2005, 03:36 PM

yeah. when i first heard Sandman would be playing the lead villan in Spidey 3, i was thinking "who the hell is this guy?". it was funny when i told my friends. we were in Art class and we were talking about movies. then i said "i know who the Spidey 3 villain would most likely be". everyone in the class room (including the teacher) was staring at me. then when i said it would be Sandman, everyone was just there going "huh?!?" it's a shame because Venom is much more widely known than Sandman. he's next to unheard of here!

I really can't believe people feel this way. I find it sad and almost depressing.

Amen to that

cowabunga14

05-06-2005, 03:41 PM

KROW

05-08-2005, 03:38 PM

Eddie Brock should be in this movie. He might not become Venom but he could get back at Parker for ruinin' his reputation. I think it could have him work at the Daily Bugle for the Daily Bugle scenes. Or he could at least make a cameo appearence.
That's a good idea. If that happened, then once Venom actually and officially appeared in a Spider-Man film, it would be more worthwhile since the backstory would already have been set up.

Spitfire

05-09-2005, 07:15 AM

sci fi has reveled that sam raimi will be doing three more spidey movie afder spider-man 3

acticle here
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=30954 (sci fi wire)

this means that we may see venom in the near future
Well with that said they can use whatever villian they want for this movie then. Hell if he's doing 3 more and their still fresh that is great news

Midnight_Tanuki

05-09-2005, 07:41 AM

Goblin, doc ock... If they're making six movies, maybe y'know, each could be a member of the SINISTER SIX! Maybe, maybe, not. Or maybe Venom actually has the symbiote under his skin and it gets scraped off to reveal him and he can shoot electricity *cough*drdoom*couch*

PiffDaddy

05-10-2005, 11:56 PM

With Sandman and Green Goblin/ Hobgoblin (whichever they use) for this film, I think they should set up for the Lizzard for the 4th film, backed up by either The Green /HobGoblin (if they don't use him in 3), or Scorpion. Then set up Spencer Smythe to be the bad guy (with his Slayers) in the 5th flick with Electro (maybe they could like group up, using Electro to power the things or something, sounds dumb though). I don't think Smythe or Electro could be the sole bad guy for the movie, there has to be 2. Then in the 5th movie, set up the background for Brock or Jameson to be Venom in the 6th movie.

That's what I think they should do if they plan to make 6 movies. On a side note, I'm not a huge fan of Sandman, but I think they could pull it off. I bet Spiderman pulls out a fire hydrant during the fight, I'm calling it right now.
Then, in the 7-9 movies, they can get into the clone saga, with the Scarlet spider and Kaine. (Joke).

05-15-2005, 03:46 AM

For those people with the Spidey 2 DVD, you'll probably know what i'm talking about with the spoiler here

Pete's teacher in the Uni, the guy that knew Doc Ock, turns into the Lizzard

Dane E5R

05-15-2005, 05:27 AM

I don't think you need to worry about spoiling anything there, Ra. Most casual Spidey fans know that Dr. Connors is the Lizard.

The Stryker

05-17-2005, 08:57 PM

My Cousin acts the same way, "Hey! did you know that Clark Kent becomes Superman!?"

:o REALLY?!

She hates me when i make fun of her Comic book Illiteracy.

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

05-17-2005, 10:21 PM

I was hoping they'd use Razorback (http://www.seanbaby.com/stupcom/razorback.htm) for the third Spiderman movie. Click here (http://www.seanbaby.com/stupcom/razorback.htm) to read Seanbaby's thoughts on the BEST Spidey villian ever! :lol:

Seriously, I think I would like to see this guy in a movie.

Not if he were Cpt. Jameson.
If I'm not mistaken John jameson becomes Man-Wolf. So that would be a better choice for John Jameson as a villian.

Eh..Still prefer Razorback!

cowabunga14

05-18-2005, 08:15 AM

Razorback is a pretty strange villain. Its weird how he dresses up as a pig. It reminds me of Lord of the Flies. What kind of crazed person wears a pig mask that shoots electric bolts out? That's just silly for him to wear that. He doesn't say things that are of much importance.

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

05-18-2005, 09:54 AM

Exactly why we need him! :)

KROW

05-18-2005, 09:55 AM

Why not Stilt-Man? :P

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

05-18-2005, 09:57 AM

No trucker talk

KROW

05-18-2005, 10:00 AM

But... But he elongates and wears that cool armor. And with the technology of today, can you imagine the cool sound as he gets erect and in Spidey's face?

That sounded horrible.

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

05-18-2005, 10:11 AM

:lol:

Maybe they should team up for the 4th movie!

KROW

05-18-2005, 10:13 AM

Yes, and have it directed by Robert Rodriguez. :lol:

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

05-18-2005, 03:27 PM

PERFECT! :lol:

KROW

05-20-2005, 09:41 AM

:lol:

UPDATE (http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=3034)

Topher Grace (more commonly known as "Dumbass" from That 70's Show :lol: ) is slated to join the cast for the next film. Now we get to have fun figuring out who he will portray. My guess? Eddie Brock, since it is said he will be one of the villains, and the heavy outcry for Venom that most fans are harboring.

But that's just my estimation.

Brodie

06-02-2005, 01:51 PM

He'd make watching a Spider-flick enjoyable.

He isn't as big as Brock....Maybe Kassady? I dunno.

If he's Venom, sweet, more reason to dig the character, even if he isn't huge. (You know CQB or someone is gonna say itll ruin the movie cause he isn't ****ing enourmous.)

Anarky

06-02-2005, 01:59 PM

It's going to ruin the movie cause he isn't ****ing enourmous. Really, I mean, he must be at least 25 feet high and 8 feet wide. At least! Bigger is better and if his ass covers most of Manhattan he might just be enough "Badass" to be good in the movies. :D

Well, we'll see. I thought T. Grace was going to be Sandman... guess I was misinformed.

cqb101

06-03-2005, 10:00 AM

Topher Grace as Brock? The hell? He's puny!

You happy now, Brodie?

KROW

06-03-2005, 10:25 AM

Haha.

Well, it might work if the symbiote added bulk and everything, distorting Brock's real size kind of like The Hulk's transformation. I think Cassady is a way better choice for Grace, but to introduce Carnage's alter-ego before Venom's seems odd and out of place.

Hmm... Maybe they already have a man for Brock and are keeping everything about him hush-hush...

Brodie

06-03-2005, 12:37 PM

I can only hope that this will end in a symbiote of some kind.

BartAllen

06-10-2005, 11:39 AM

why do i see cleatus cassidy.. when i see topher grace.

Voltron

06-10-2005, 04:30 PM

Topher Grace as Brock? The hell? He's puny!

You happy now, Brodie?

I'm friggin estatic. Thanks to all the people who told me to shut up. :lol:

Mondo J. Gecko

06-10-2005, 07:46 PM

:ohwell:
...
Wow... Topher Grace and Toby Maguier in the same movie? man, I thought the Spiderman Movies already had enough Skinny White guys in it... I personally not a big fan of the Spiderman movies (I'm a fan of Spiderman though), if Topher plays Venom he's gonna have to seriously beef up... I still think Toby was the wrong choice for Spiderman (too short and geeky, though many have argued that Peter Parker was infact super geeky), and the only role I think that Topher would be good in is... actually I can't think of one... I like Topher Grace in That 70s Show, but I don't know how or who they're going to incorporate into this next movie using him... I'm alittle disapointed right now... I thought the casting was talking a turn for the better when I saw Spidey 2 (I really liked the choices for Doc Oc and Dr. Connors) but I just can't see Topher in the movie... though he might make a good equal to Toby... skinny white kid wrestling... :lol: ... I'm thinking (but not liking) that Topher is gonna play Venom... or maybe Sandman? that'd be weird though... my best guess is Venom...
..
This is all just my opinion, but let the death threats and bashing begin...
...
:P

Brodie

06-11-2005, 11:04 PM

Well, the skinny dudes playing crazy hulked out characters isnt that hard, I.E., Ed Norton in American history X. or Christian Bale in The Machenist, and compare that Bale to the Bat-Bale.

KROW

06-12-2005, 09:13 AM

Topher Grace might be picked to play Jason Macendale, a.k.a. Hobgoblin. The report said that he will portray a major Spider-Man villain, but which villain wasn't specified. I took a longshot and guessed Venom due to the outcry from the general fanbase.

Grace as Hobgoblin could work. The film could feature him inside the Daily Bugle as Betty Brant's boyfriend, who talks excessively to Peter about the Green Goblin, fascinated with the villain's technology. Then, perhaps, after a battle between Sider-Man and Harry as the next Green Goblin, Macendale arrives to steal a fallen and damaged glider and some other gadgets.

Of course, that's just my little, "Oh, what if they had..." statement.

Mondo J. Gecko

06-12-2005, 03:22 PM

:)
...
Well, the skinny dudes playing crazy hulked out characters isnt that hard, I.E., Ed Norton in American history X. or Christian Bale in The Machenist, and compare that Bale to the Bat-Bale.
point taken... but still can you see Topher playing Venom... lets hope to God not... I'd really like my Venom to be a huge massive beast of a dude... some unknown actor....Topher as HobGoblin I could see... but I thought that role was already taken... isn't that Harry Osborn's alter ego? or am I just out of date (I haven't read a Spiderman comic in a while...) maybe he'll play an updated vulture? :lol: ... maybe not...
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:)

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

06-13-2005, 12:28 AM

IMO, With the exception of Wilmer Valderama (Fez), "That '70s Show" actors are only good in "That 70s Show".

Eh, still would rather have Razorback :P

Brodie

06-13-2005, 08:46 AM

Have you seen anything else Topher Grace was in? The guy is a great actor, check out Ocean's 11 and 12, and So on.

KROW

06-13-2005, 08:49 AM

Topher as HobGoblin I could see... but I thought that role was already taken... isn't that Harry Osborn's alter ego? or am I just out of date (I haven't read a Spiderman comic in a while...)
No. Harry became the Green Goblin after Norman died. Hobgoblin's real alias is Jason Philip Macendale, a mercenary/assassin.
Eh, still would rather have Razorback :P
I still say Stilt-Man. :P

cowabunga14

06-13-2005, 03:34 PM

I thought Roderick Kingsley was the Hobgoblin. Is there more than one and is that Jason Macendale guy like the second Hobgoblin?

Peanut

06-13-2005, 04:19 PM

I'm actually pretty sure there were four different Hobgoblins. Kingsley was the first Hobgoblin, then there was some random criminal as Hobgoblin. Macendale was actually the foruth, he was originally Jack-O-Latern, if I'm not mistaken. Ned Leeds was the other one, he was originally thought to be the first Hobgoblin. I'm not too sure on all of this, my Spidey knowledge has become rusty.

ZariusTwo

06-13-2005, 07:36 PM

I thought Roderick Kingsley was the Hobgoblin. Is there more than one and is that Jason Macendale guy like the second Hobgoblin?

1. Roderick Kingsley
2. Lefty Donavan
3. Ned Leeds (under hypnosis)
4. Jason Maendale (later demonised, demon half becomes Demogoblin)
5. Roderick Kingsley

The Stryker

06-13-2005, 09:47 PM

Ram-Rod for Spider-man 4 Villian!!

KROW

06-14-2005, 07:02 AM

1. Roderick Kingsley
2. Lefty Donavan
3. Ned Leeds (under hypnosis)
4. Jason Maendale (later demonised, demon half becomes Demogoblin)
5. Roderick Kingsley
There we go.

I think Grace, if he does play a potential Hobgoblin, might be Ned Leeds or Macendale. I think those two were the more popular Hobgoblin alter-egos.

cowabunga14

06-14-2005, 03:35 PM

I didn't know that Roderick Kingsley was Hobgoblin twice. Is he the Hobgoblin that's currently in the comics or is that Ned? I think its funny that there was a Hobgoblin alter-ego named Ned Leeds. He reminds me of Ned Flanders. Anyone got a picture of the Ned Leeds Hobgoblin?

KROW

06-14-2005, 03:37 PM

Anyone got a picture of the Ned Leeds Hobgoblin?
How's this?

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/ned_leeds/ned4.jpg

Anarky

06-14-2005, 03:39 PM

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/file_photo/ned_leeds.jpg

Spiderfan.org has the following to say about Ned Leeds, who doesn't look anything like Flanders.

Ned Leeds was one of the earliest characters introduced in Peter's life. He was a field reporter at the Daily Bugle. Peter and Ned fought for Betty Brant's heart, and Ned got the best of it. They eventually got engaged, and Ned was also promoted to city editor for the Bugle. They got married in Amazing Spider-Man #156, and in the beginning it all went well. Unfortunately, things got rougher, though it took a long while for Betty and the readers to know why.

We all remember the classic van battle between Spidey and Hobgoblin (Amazing Spider-Man #249 and following), don't we? Well, while they battled, Ned was following them. He waited until he saw the Hobgoblin leave the river, unmasked. He followed him to his hideout, getting closer and closer, in an attempt to see his face. The Goblin captured him, and brainwashed him with a bio-electric instrument. Kingsley (the Hobgoblin, if you didn't know) started by using Leeds to steal info from the Bugle's files, but he eventually decided that it was safer to have someone in his place in the risky battles. Thus, Hobgoblin 3 was born. Ned Leeds then approached Richard Fisk as a reporter, trying to find out about his father, the Kingpin. Knowing that Richard wasn't too fond of his father, he insisted with him, until one day, Richard and Alfredo decided to move against the Kingpin. Then, Ned revealed to them that he was the Hobgoblin, and helped Richard creating the Rose identity. Of course, Kingsley had his own agenda, which involved taking down the Kingpin, so he was keen on Leeds' moves.

Eventually, the regular exposure to the brainwashing instruments started taking their toll: Ned's personal relations, both with his colleagues at the Bugle and with his wife, were affected by his increasing agressivness. Ned's mental instability drove Betty to Flash Thompson's arms. And after Flash made a public statement against the Hobgoblin, Leeds drugged him, dressed him up as Hobgoblin, and dumped him for the police to find. Flash was arrested, and for some time, everybody (even Peter) thought that Flash was in fact the Hobgoblin. While Flash was cleared a few months (real time) after, because he was seen being attacked by the true Goblin, Ned's insane actions starting to reflect also on his behaviour as the Hobgoblin. For instance, he sold out his friend, Richard, to the Kingpin. Kingsley considered that Leeds was no longer needed, and also decided that he would stop with his criminal activities for the time being. He leaked the word to the criminal underworld that Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin, and that he was traveling to Berlin soon. Jason Macendale, aka Jack O'Lantern at the time, who had his share of problems with the Goblin, hired the Foreigner to take Ned out. His intentions were clear: take the mantle of the Hobgoblin for himself. (See Hobgoblin IV)

Damn, Krow beat me. I'll never forgive you!!! :D

ZariusTwo

06-14-2005, 04:32 PM

KROW

06-18-2005, 09:34 AM

From superherohype.com (http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=3161):

Spider-Man 3 star Thomas Haden Church has dropped a few hints about which villain he is playing. 'Abysstare' says...

On page 57 of this week's double issue Entertainment Weekly (#826/827):

EW: After reminding the world he could really act in Sideways, the Oscar nominee will play an undisclosed, top secret villain in 2007's Spider-Man 3. How about a hint?

THC: "He's a horse of many colors."

EW: There are horses in Spider-Man?

THC: "Let's just say he's an amorphous collection of protons, electrons, and neutrons, of different colors."

There's some more, but that's the only part with any clues.
Oookay. Now this brings me to think that he might not be Sandman after all. Could he possibly be portraying Electro or Chameleon instead?

ZariusTwo

06-18-2005, 09:46 AM

Chamelion. Got to be.

Barkworm

06-18-2005, 09:55 AM

Maybe it was just some kind of joke.

Anarky

06-18-2005, 01:45 PM

"Let's just say he's an amorphous collection of protons, electrons, and neutrons, of different colors."

Interesting, that just might be everything in the Universe, that shuts out none of Spidey's vilains.

BartAllen

06-21-2005, 10:47 AM

Interesting, that just might be everything in the Universe, that shuts out none of Spidey's vilains.
yeah, but i think they are trying to imply somthing..

Anarky

06-21-2005, 11:07 AM

Like what? An "amorphous collection of protons, electron and neutrons" is everything. It could even be your desk or Batman. Or the martians or your pizza leftovers.

Brodie

06-21-2005, 12:58 PM

Whoa, calm down, Anarky. No need to bring leftovers into this.

You just got unleashed for a second there.

Molecules don't tickle your fancy, aparently.

Rikirk

07-02-2005, 12:40 AM

I just have one question...

Why do the Movie execs...or powers that be constantly think that the Villain has to be killed at the end of the film? They are wasting so much potential with this little stunt. They did it in Batman, and they are doing it in Spiderman.

I dunno, I guess I just liked Dr. Octopus' performance so well in Spiderman 2 I felt he didnt deserve to die. He could have just escaped or wandered away or something.

Same thing could have been done for Gobbie.

I guess a lot of you will say that since there will only be 6 films, recycling the old characters would get kinda stale. Yes I agree but I still dont think this warants a good villan characters death.

That being said...I really dont care who will be in the next films. There are plenty of good villians in Spidermans rouges gallery for the powers that be to choose from. All I want is a good decent story/script that hasnt been dumbed down.

And I think Venom should be brought in in the 6th film...leading to a film of his own. Yes I am a Venom fan.

Just my 2 cents

The Stryker

07-02-2005, 12:56 AM

Villians get tossed into Volcanoes and get blown up on a regular basis in the comic books and they manage to come back fine, So i don't think a Stabbing and Drowning is gonna stop Gobbie and Ock.

And Scarecrow didn't die at the end of Begins They never found his Body, OoooOoOoOoOoOo.

Rikirk

07-02-2005, 01:11 AM

Allow me to clarify a bit..

I meant Batman (The Tim Burton film with Mike Keaton)

Sorry for any Inconvienience.

KROW

07-02-2005, 08:12 AM

I don't think either villain is really dead according to the films. There could always be an explanation for their return. With Goblin, it's easy; he came back from that same death in the comic book. So if the writers/producers/what-have-you decide to make Norman return, the comic book return could simply be used.

For Octavius, it's much more complex. Hopefully, if the decision is made to make Octopus return, it won't be the way it was done in the book (circa Amazing Spider-Man #427-429).

Either way though, since only 6 films are being made, and since Spider-Man's list of enemies is so vast, I don't think they'll need any villains to make a return at all.

Brodie

07-02-2005, 09:01 AM

....6th film? Jesus...

Rikirk

07-02-2005, 11:42 AM

The reason why I say 6th film to bring Venom in...

A)It gives plenty of time to build up to his appearance.
B)CGI effects will have advanced a bit.
C)A good story could be fleshed out for Venom, whereas if he were brought in earlier just to appease fanboys, his appearance would be just a drop in with no substance to his character development.

Some of you may disagree with me...and thats fine.

But these are my opinions. I want Venoms appearance in Spiderman, or his own movie to not be some half assed attempt. Venom is my favorite Spiderman enemy...and if they screw him up in the least possible way...im gonna be miffed.

FireFly

07-24-2005, 07:56 PM

change in plan Thomas Hayden Church will not be playing Sandman in spidey III but will be playing Dmitri Smerdyakov a.k.a Chameleon and harry will become the green gobin II at the end of it

full article here (http://www.development-hell.com/news_detail.php?idnews=475)

hears hope for two villians

ZariusTwo

07-24-2005, 08:40 PM

I called it. Chamelion. Big Time.

...Damn good villain

cqb101

07-25-2005, 02:11 AM

Not bad. I woulda prefered Sandman, but Chameleon is better than Venom. :)

The Stryker

07-25-2005, 01:32 PM

I like the idea of Chamelion better than Sandman, Sandman always struck me as 2nd-rate spidey-villian

Brodie

07-25-2005, 11:25 PM

What happened to Topher Grace?

FireFly

08-04-2005, 07:10 PM

What happened to Topher Grace?
don't worry about topher is still in the movie as
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Chameleon! thanks to myresoures (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13) at CBR topher will be one of the many verison of the super spy vilain still miss sandman :(

KROW

08-05-2005, 12:21 PM

don't worry about topher is still in the movie as Chameleon! thanks to myresoures (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13) at CBR topher will be one of the many verison of the super spy vilain still miss sandman :(
Wow. That's interesting. Honestly, I never thought of that.

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

09-03-2005, 01:26 AM

Ah I wish Sam Raimi would've responded to my letter and turned the casting and screenplay over to me. I would've made it with lots of villians and recasted all the roles.
Here's my casting...

Spiderman--Wayne Knight
Mary Jane--Kathy Bates
Harry Osbourne/Green Goblin--Maddox
The Vulture--Colin Powell
Razorback--Ian McKellen
Stilt Man--Seanbaby
The Lizard--Pauly Shore
Doc Ock--Erik Estrada
Venom--X-E Matt
Kraven--Kato Kaelin
Electro--Corey Feldman
Guy Peeing in Bucket For Ten Minutes For No Reason--Me
Gwen Stacy--Kevin McDonald in drag
Tombstone--Ron Pallilo

Now tell me THAT wouldn't ROCK!

Dane E5R

09-03-2005, 02:03 AM

...That wouldn't rock.

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

09-03-2005, 02:58 AM

:lol: :lol: :lol: But, Ive got 3 of the top Smartass Internet Comedians (Seanbaby, Maddox, X-E Matt) in one movie! Plus a ten minute scene of me peeing in a bucket for no reason. What's not to love? :lol: :lol: :lol:

KROW

09-03-2005, 07:25 AM

Well, I wouldn't expect a PG-13 rating for it, that's for sure.

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

09-04-2005, 01:50 PM

Well, I'd be facing away from the camera, of course.

FireFly

09-08-2005, 06:02 AM

villain update freeze dried movies (http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/news/index.php?Action=Full&NewsID=3355) has said that Topher Grace has been bulking up for his role in the movie as
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Venom Thomas Haden Church is Sandman :D and James Franco is Hobgoblin

two cents: make sence topher is going to play venom i just they wait and do a good story

Barkworm

09-08-2005, 08:37 AM

And how reliable is that site?

Brodie

09-08-2005, 11:58 AM

I saw that too, got kind of excited, but at the same time I doubt Freeze Dried is totally reliable.

ZariusTwo

09-26-2005, 04:53 PM

T.Z have got the official word

Zap2it reports that during an interview this weekend promoting Elizabethtown, Kirsten Dunst confirmed rumors that Thomas Haden Church will play Sandman and Topher Grace is Venom in director Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 3, opening in theaters on May 4th, 2007

cqb101

09-26-2005, 05:22 PM

ZariusTwo

09-26-2005, 05:38 PM

Blows does'nt it?

Granted, all the wittle Venom fanatics will be ecstatic about this, I'd rather sooner have The Chamelion

The Stryker

09-26-2005, 08:26 PM

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Omegaknux/Venowned.png

Nuff said

DrSpengler

09-26-2005, 08:32 PM

And here I was all set for the Chameleon.

Maybe by "Venom" she meant "Eddie Brock". She did say the Lizard was going to be in Spider-Man 2 but all we got was Dr. Conners.

Sandman, Chameleon, Venom, whatever! I'm still going to go see it and I'll most likely love it.

FireFly

09-26-2005, 09:52 PM

i think with Topher playing venom they may go with the ultimate version of him so it may work out

The Stryker

09-26-2005, 11:45 PM

Thats exactly what i was thinking.

I kinda liked the Ultimate origin of Venom better. Spacey stories don't interest me

KROW

09-27-2005, 05:43 AM

Oh, fan-bloody-tastic.

Topher hopefully will be playing Eddie Brock ONLY.

I think they should consider Gene Simmons playing Venom.

http://www.drfeelgood.com.au/essential%20images/pics/Gene%20Simmons%20book.jpg
http://destruction.myftp.org/pics/Bilder/lite%20blandat/images/Venom_jpg.jpg

:P

Mecha Cow

09-27-2005, 09:18 AM

Pity, I thought Chameleon would make a much better addition to the film than Venom. I'm going to assume we'll just see Eddie Brock though, since I'd imagine the movie would be really akward with three villains.

Sandman...Ew.

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

11-11-2005, 09:20 PM

So, what's Venoms Ultimate Spider-Man origin? I stopped reading Marvel after they started with this "Ultimate" crap.

ZariusTwo

11-12-2005, 12:51 PM

So, what's Venoms Ultimate Spider-Man origin? I stopped reading Marvel after they started with this "Ultimate" crap.

The "Ultimate" comics are better written than the s*ite in the regular continuity called "House Of Muppets", and "The Other: Screw With An Origin And Die"

Anyhoo, the symbiote begins in this as a biological fluid that envelops the human body, diagnoses it, and cures diseases found within, it was developed by Curt Conners and Peters' father, Eddie and Peter share it (there not strangers to each other, there childhood freinds here), but Pete is exposed to it, and its' naturally a cliched "unstable prototype", hat Peter disposes of, a jealous and frustrated Eddie takes the sample himself when he finds Peter stealing it to dispose of, but its' worse for him given he has none of Petes' powers, and he becomes Venom

Bendis hates the Venom character, but had to write it under orders from Marvel, its' not one of the better Ulimate lines, but he did leave it open ended so Marvel could bring him back in other mediums like the "Ultimate Spider-Man" game. Bendis also hates Carnage, but wrote it in a rather hilarious way, making fun of the clone saga and killing off his pointless Gwen Stacy character

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

11-12-2005, 01:12 PM

Ok, well that would fit the movies better.

Mr Sinister

11-17-2005, 04:05 PM

Seems like Sandman will defiantely be one of the villians in Spider-Man 3 as Sony have this pic (http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/bugle/press_releases/images/img_tchurch.jpg) on their Spider-Man website. (http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/)

It's gotta be him due to his appearance, clothing and his name being Flint Marko! As Sandman's one of my favourite Spidey villians this is awesome! ^_^

cowabunga14

11-17-2005, 04:35 PM

At least we konw that Roger The Stan Lee Experience will not be in the movie. He's the stand-up comedian version of Stan Lee that appears on X Play whenever they review a Marvel-realted game. He even makes fun of DC and canges Stan Lee's quotes around to spice 'em up. He even said, "We used to crank call Bob Kane and say we was the real Batman and we were gonna kill him for taking our identity."

Tetsu Deinonychus Power-5

11-17-2005, 08:50 PM

The "Ultimate" comics are better written than the s*ite in the regular continuity called "House Of Muppets", and "The Other: Screw With An Origin And Die"

Never heard of either of those. I can't say I've read a whole lot of Marvel at all, actually.

Jo269976

11-20-2005, 08:40 AM

I don't read comics but i watch the movies and get those magazines with the lead figure in them, you know what i mean :)

Brodie

11-21-2005, 03:29 PM

I kinda wonder how you guys will act if the movie is actually good. You piss and moan about Venom being in it, but what if it looks badass, and the fights between him and Spidey are ****ing cool...Are you gonna come back from the theatre (and you know you're gonna spend your 8 bucks to see it, regardless of if you bitch) and sign on your computer and say "Since I've seen every cartoon and children's TV show ever made, I despise this movie, because Venom sucks hardcore."

Just curious.

Turtle Dove

11-24-2005, 09:31 PM

YAH they are gonna work on the next Spiderman movie! Woho-I'm glad they are keepng the same people-unlike the Batman movies that kept changing the actor for Bats/Bruce.

The Stryker

11-25-2005, 02:17 AM

Um..thats because all the actors signed a contract.

I bet money that most of the regulars will be gone by Spidey 4

ZariusTwo

11-25-2005, 05:12 AM

YAH they are gonna work on the next Spiderman movie! Woho-I'm glad they are keepng the same people-unlike the Batman movies that kept changing the actor for Bats/Bruce.

Unless Raimis' paid enough, this is the final movie, Dunst is also leaving, so is Macguire, unless any of them like the script or, like Raimi, are paid enough, they only signed for three movies, Marvel want six, the public will probably get bored by four.

BartAllen

12-12-2005, 08:02 AM

I for one am just glad venom is going to be in the movie.
to all the nay sayers. :P

cowabunga14

12-13-2005, 05:42 PM

This makes me wonder if when Spidey fights Venom, the conflict'll be similar to the one in Amazing Spider-Man vol. 1, #375. Anyone remeber that? It was the final confrontation between Spider-Man and Venom.

Star Wolf

12-13-2005, 05:50 PM

ZariusTwo

12-13-2005, 06:23 PM

I think they should do a Maximum Carnage story, like in the comics, that way it could include a great deal of Marvel characters, not just Venom, but also the Fantastic Four (who just had a movie).

Carnage is, and always will be, superior to Venom.

...Too expensive, plus objectivly, M.C really is'nt that good of a story, it made for a good video game, but thats' it, even Marvel have dismissed it as "Maximum Garbage" according to Defalco, not the first time a story has been disowned by the company either (The Clone Saga and "Sins Past" being others)

Raimi also DESPISES Venom and Carnage and is a fan of the classic comic characters, maybe when we get an incompetent boob who prefers style over substance in charge for the next movie, we'll get those characters.

Star Wolf

12-13-2005, 06:36 PM

...Too expensive, plus objectivly, M.C really is'nt that good of a story, it made for a good video game, but thats' it, even Marvel have dismissed it as "Maximum Garbage" according to Defalco, not the first time a story has been disowned by the company either (The Clone Saga and "Sins Past" being others)

Raimi also DESPISES Venom and Carnage and is a fan of the classic comic characters, maybe when we get an incompetent boob who prefers style over substance in charge for the next movie, we'll get those characters.

I agree that Maximum Carnage wasn't that great of a story, though entertaining, but it seems that those who produce the superhero movies aren't looking for quality. I mean, the backstory of Dr. Doom in the Fantastic Four movie was interesting, but it isn't the Doom we all know and love: an egotistical genius monarch.

I don't mind classic comic characters, but when so far they've almost all been ridiculed and altered so much that they might as well be new characters, I think the bigshots could move over and allow creations such as Venom and Carnage to appear on the big screen.

FireFly

12-14-2005, 12:48 AM