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Raph's Girl
01-10-2006, 12:09 AM
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html

Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.

It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.

In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess.

This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

It's illegal to annoy
A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.

"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."

To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.

There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying someone be illegal?

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)

Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't have to worry.

"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."

He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous political pamphlets.

If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.

And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he felt compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton realized that the section of the law punishing abortion-related material on the Internet was unconstitutional, and he directed the Justice Department not to enforce it.

Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans' personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion.

Raph's Girl note: WTF?! :o

01-10-2006, 12:13 AM
Well, that means we can now get people who harass people on this board in prison! Horray! :ohwell:

GK Punk
01-10-2006, 12:23 AM
I'm all for it. People can harass people irl and get arrested, it only makes sense. aslong as it doesn't get abused anyway.

Fledermaus
01-10-2006, 12:33 AM
Oh such a law will be abused, all right. Just wait. Knowing the idiocy of a lot of people these days (well, at least on the coasts, anyways) it's just bound to happen.

Some believe freedom and/or laws should be taken full advantage of -- meaning in their minds, the freedom to take advantage of other people.

Thank goodness we don't have snots like that running amok in this forum. Seriously.

Voltron
01-10-2006, 12:34 AM
Well, that means we can now get people who harass people on this board in prison! Horray! :ohwell:

That means the Feds are speeding to your house right now.

GK Punk
01-10-2006, 12:38 AM
Oh such a law will be abused, all right. Just wait. Knowing the idiocy of a lot of people these days (well, at least on the coasts, anyways) it's just bound to happen.

Some believe freedom and/or laws should be taken full advantage of -- meaning in their minds, the freedom to take advantage of other people.

Thank goodness we don't have snots like that running amok in this forum. Seriously.

Yeah, Im afraid it will be abused also. the idea is good, but it's going to get ruined by the same morons you are talking about. and quickly I bet. it should be reserved for the people that get not just called names a couple of times on forums, but for people that seriously just attack other people constantly. And even then, people shouldn't necessarily use it.

01-10-2006, 12:40 AM
That means the Feds are speeding to your house right now.

Quick! To Mexico! Or even better, Canada! As long as I wear a Leafs jersey and say "eh" a lot, I'll be just fine!

GK Punk
01-10-2006, 12:43 AM
And dont forget to drink Beer!

Anarky
01-10-2006, 04:24 AM
And dont forget to drink Beer!
What's wrong with beer?

Anyways, an interesting law. Not that I'd care about your laws, since I'm not affected by them in any way, but it could sure help to keep the flaming down.

But is it just me or did I understand it like it's more against spam than against regular flamers on message boards?

VaughnMichael
01-10-2006, 04:56 AM
that message from the government annoys me can I have them put away now? lol
-Putrescent

Anarky
01-10-2006, 05:20 AM
that message from the government annoys me can I have them put away now? lol
-Putrescent

Well, that would be worth a try. But I doubt that they'll listen, they're always above the law, you know. That's democracy for you, everybody's equal, but some are equaler...

GK Punk
01-10-2006, 05:25 AM
What's wrong with beer?

Anyways, an interesting law. Not that I'd care about your laws, since I'm not affected by them in any way, but it could sure help to keep the flaming down.

But is it just me or did I understand it like it's more against spam than against regular flamers on message boards?

I believe it's more for harrasment than flaming. Like if someone starts bothering you on a message board, brings it to email, Deviant Art, Live Journal, IMs, other message boards, takes out ads in Rollingstone and during the superbowl Etc.

BartAllen
01-10-2006, 06:12 AM
I dont like the language its using. especially the annoy part. harrassment i get, but annoy. hell. I get annoyed by what i read on the net on a daily basis.

iris
01-10-2006, 08:22 AM
Not to blindly defend this law, but it probably uses the same reasoning as private nuisance laws.

A nuisance can be defined as a substantial interference with the right to use and enjoy land, which may be intentional, negligent or ultrahazardous in origin, and must be a result of defendant's activity. Switch out the word "land" for "the Internet" and maybe that's what's going on here.

This does sound like an anti-spam law to me. The "block sender" option works pretty well most of the time with individuals who are annoying you via email. However those of use who have been graced by the attention of a cyberstalker may see things as more complicated than that.

The problem I have with legislation like this is it often doesn't suggest a burden of proof for the plaintiff. I guess a burden is implied in "innocent until proven guilty," but the lack of specificity does ease abuse, at least initially. If there's no established burden, it will be decided by the precedent of the first cases on this matter.

I don't think this is going to imperil Usenet or Usenet-alikes. Flame wars are practically an expected part of the service.

Katie
01-10-2006, 11:59 AM
Unfortunately it will be up to the courts to interpret this law.

Which means that there's gonna have to be some petty flame war brought to court before the vague language is improved upon. All those suits (and counter suits) are gonna tie up the lower courts and cost taxpayers a ton of money...

iris
01-10-2006, 12:43 PM
If you think about it, our whole governing system is a flame war.

Katie
01-10-2006, 12:46 PM
If you think about it, our whole governing system is a flame war.


Heheh...Let's hope none of the partisan bickering is done over email.....our whol political system could be in jeopardy!

pwnage
01-10-2006, 05:53 PM
This comes at an intresting time when the largest organized hack/spam assault in Internet history has just gone down. 3000+ members of the YTMND, Genmay, 4Chan and Fark hacked, spammed, and otherwise tore up the Ebaums world forums. Ebaums has had a reputation of stealing other people's content, and they happened to steal a popular .gif file from YTMND.

Apparently, this kind of assault is labeled as "cyber terrorism" (typical of the Bush Administration). YTMND members mostly lead this, through the weak "dont do it guys" facade of the owner, but all this is well documented on the YTMND sites:

http://cyberterrorism.ytmnd.com/

I can't say Ebaum didn't deserve it though, because he did.

iris
01-10-2006, 07:03 PM
This comes at an intresting time when the largest organized hack/spam assault in Internet history has just gone down. 3000+ members of the YTMND, Genmay, 4Chan and Fark hacked, spammed, and otherwise tore up the Ebaums world forums. Ebaums has had a reputation of stealing other people's content, and they happened to steal a popular .gif file from YTMND.

Apparently, this kind of assault is labeled as "cyber terrorism" (typical of the Bush Administration). YTMND members mostly lead this, through the weak "dont do it guys" facade of the owner, but all this is well documented on the YTMND sites:

http://cyberterrorism.ytmnd.com/

I can't say Ebaum didn't deserve it though, because he did.
That is the most annoying sound a web page has ever blared at me out of the blue.

I doubt that's a facade on the owners part. If people do illegal stuff and point to a site owner, the site owner or anyone they point to is gonna get drawn into a legal situation. Incitng riots tends to be frowned upon. (That's why I have people sign a contract saying they're responsible for their own sorry butts.)

But I'm a little slow and I don't see what any of that has to do with this. Different category of law.

pwnage
01-10-2006, 07:15 PM
Umm...

Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both

If that does not describe the Ebaums raid, then I dont know what does.

Nobody pointed to the site owner of YTMND. As a matter of fact, the owner took no action even as the raid was being discussed on the YTMND forums. Its sure as hell looks like he's putting on a benevolent face to avoid getting in trouble. I'm not saying he organized it or anything, and its not his fault. Its just that he didn't do anything about it.

Ra
01-10-2006, 07:17 PM
.....Nani? :o

This law is definatly going to stir up trouble. We can only imagine what could happen....


Bebop: Duh, Rocksteady, you annoyed me with your e-mail last night. I'm going to tell dah cops
Rocksteady: But why?
Bebop: Bad Grammer

:roll:

Turtle Dove
01-10-2006, 07:42 PM
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html

Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.
Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans' personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion.

Raph's Girl note: WTF?! :o

I think its a DAMN good idea.This law is a good idea for those assholes online who love to troll, bash, make websites, hack, and just be a totally jerk to someone online.

I think this law is meant for those who become obessed with staking people online and just love to make their onlineexperiance a living hell.

iris
01-10-2006, 07:55 PM
If that does not describe the Ebaums raid, then I dont know what does.
Didn't I say I was slow? :P I guess what confused me was that they did annoy ebaums, but they did a lot more serious things than that. For example I thought that hacking was already illegal under other laws. So maybe is there now an extra charge if you hack and you don't reveal your name while you do it?

Nobody pointed to the site owner of YTMND. As a matter of fact, the owner took no action even as the raid was being discussed on the YTMND forums. Its sure as hell looks like he's putting on a benevolent face to avoid getting in trouble. I'm not saying he organized it or anything, and its not his fault. Its just that he didn't do anything about it.
Ah. Sucks for him.

pwnage
01-10-2006, 08:05 PM
This law is a good idea for those assholes online who love to troll, bash, make websites, hack, and just be a totally jerk to someone online

Isn't that quite vague though? I'm sorry, but If I'm privately hosting a site that bashes My Little Pony, I have a right to do so weither anyone likes it or not. Its called free speech.

Furthermore, the Internet is simply a place of meaness, you can't put the entirety of insults, agrument, and flaming under illegal action because that too, is free speech. This is a ridiculous law as someone who is play HLSS on CS can land in jail for 2 years.

Awful.

Turtle Dove
01-10-2006, 08:10 PM
Isn't that quite vague though? I'm sorry, but If I'm privately hosting a site that bashes My Little Pony, I have a right to do so weither anyone likes it or not. Its called free speech.

Furthermore, the Internet is simply a place of meaness, you can't put the entirety of insults, agrument, and flaming under illegal action because that too, is free speech. This is a ridiculous law as someone who is play HLSS on CS can land in jail for 2 years.

Awful.

UGH not those kind of bashing sites, you Transformers loving dweeb!:-P PM me I'll explain better

pwnage
01-10-2006, 08:11 PM
What kind of sites, then?

JameO
01-10-2006, 08:19 PM
Can I file a report on all of the Halo 2 players on Xbox Live? I hate the legal system, its all bogus.

The Stryker
01-10-2006, 08:36 PM
Oh boy, I'm getting life....

and i don't appreciate little side comments like that TD, I was laying off!

Sewer Bull
01-11-2006, 01:13 AM
I'm sorry, but If I'm privately hosting a site that bashes My Little Pony, I have a right to do so weither anyone likes it or not. Its called free speech.

You're hosting a site that bashes My Little Pony? :o
How could you?:cry:

Furthermore, the Internet is simply a place of meaness, you can't put the entirety of insults, agrument, and flaming under illegal action because that too, is free speech.

Remember that my free speech is limited by your right to be respected as an intelligent and sentient human being. And stuff.

That Matt Guy
01-11-2006, 02:03 AM
Do you really think anyone is going to enforce such a stupid law?

Anarky
01-11-2006, 02:07 AM
Yeah, if it also affects hosted websites, then we're dealing with a huge censorship thing. A friend and me, we're making this website (which still is in its development phase), which has contents that could fall under that law.

... but then again, this law only affects the US. What if the site is hosted on a russian server? Technically, it's a Russian site then, which would mean that this US-law has no saying in its content.


And yes, those E-stalkers should all be shot, resurrected and shot again.

EDIT:Do you really think anyone is going to enforce such a stupid law?It's stupid enough that people will try to use it...

Jo Dawn
01-11-2006, 06:07 AM
I think this is a splendid idea! Boy oh boy, can I put this baby to use!!


And yes, those E-stalkers should all be shot, resurrected and shot again.


I agree. Talk about ruining any kinda fun... If you 've got nothing better to do than try and bug someone online that way, you deserve to get in trouble for it. Maybe it'd be an eye-opener.

Spitfire
01-11-2006, 08:15 AM
So what their going to have the Internet Police now to enforce the law. A bunch of fat losers who sit on their computers and wait for 911 calls over AIM?

iris
01-11-2006, 09:14 AM
Well that's a dandy way to describe law enforcement. :p

And no, that's probably not going to happen under this law. I'm no law expert but I bet this is the sort of thing that either people use to bring legal action against someone who is "annoying" them, or that would add a charge in connection with more serious charges as in the Ebaums case.

Hannah
01-13-2006, 05:56 PM
HANNAH IS A TOTAL DUMBASS HAHA.


Am I going to jail for harrassing myself? I am quite annoyed.

ThirdMarioBro
01-13-2006, 06:26 PM
I'll be sure to include my name, address, and phone number in my next spam email so the person I'm annoying won't sue me. We have such genius leaders in our country, it makes me proud to be an American.

:lol: