Do you wish?

[Ryzar]

Some characters for this movie are not yet fully confirmed or disproved...

With that said,

Does anyone wish characters from the Classic toon like Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady would be featured?

And on the good guys side...

Anyone want to see Splinter, April O'Neil, Casey Jones,... maybe even Carter appear?


In my opinion, I think it WOULD be cool to see these characters but actually even if they were just "cameos" or in short scenes in the movie, that would be rad! 8)

[Aztec General]

(Takes cover)

[VaughnMichael]

(Takes cover)
hahaha any more room in the bunker?:lol:

[Sewer Bull]

Anyone want to see Splinter, April O'Neil, Casey Jones,... maybe even Carter appear?


Yeah, Carter's presence in the movie would be a blast. Let's bring back some glory to that unjustly forgotten cartoon character.

[VaughnMichael]

Yeah, Carter's presence in the movie would be a blast. Let's bring back some glory to that unjustly forgotten cartoon character.
what's that you say about poochy?:lol:

[Spitfire]

Wait Splinter, Casey, and April? You make it sound like their old toon characters that weren't in every TMNT in carnation.

Those 3 are confirmed...then again they really couldn't do a TMNT movie without Splinter or at least mentioning him.

[VaughnMichael]

Wait Splinter, Casey, and April? You make it sound like their old toon characters that weren't in every TMNT in carnation.

Those 3 are confirmed...then again they really couldn't do a TMNT movie without Splinter or at least mentioning him.

well they could but I know myself and others who really like splitner would be very ticked off!:o :dead:

[Jo Dawn]

Some characters for this movie are not yet fully confirmed or disproved...

With that said,

Does anyone wish characters from the Classic toon like Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady would be featured?

I wouldn't watch it if they were. ANY. WHERE. MENTIONED.



And on the good guys side...

Anyone want to see Splinter, April O'Neil, Casey Jones,... maybe even Carter appear?



If I so much as see a 5th turtle wannabe with a name starting with the letter 'C', they will know a fury unlike any other fury they have ever been witness to.



...And bunker, yes... An excellent idea. ;) :P


Splinter, well... They could do it without him, but seeing as I'm sure they won't kill him off with the kiddies around, they'd need an excellent reason for him to not be involved. That doesn't include wearing a lampshade for a hat, or watching any soap operas, that is.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Does anyone wish characters from the Classic toon like Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady would be featured?


No. Just, dammit no.

[ZariusTwo]

Some characters for this movie are not yet fully confirmed or disproved...

With that said,

Does anyone wish characters from the Classic toon like Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady would be featured?

And on the good guys side...

Anyone want to see Splinter, April O'Neil, Casey Jones,... maybe even Carter appear?


In my opinion, I think it WOULD be cool to see these characters but actually even if they were just "cameos" or in short scenes in the movie, that would be rad! 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c5cYqIYKEw&mode=related&search=

[Ryzar]

NOW, just a second people... For those of you who are 'viciously' opposed to the idea of Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady appearing in the CGI movie...

I'm guessing you don't like this idea because you think they will bring the class of the movie down some how. But remember... The second TMNT movie had two bit mutants and that worked while STILL maintaining a sense of seriousness and 'darkness' for those of you who need that.

I think IF done right the presence of Krang a evil GENIUS and Bebop and Rocksteady and more sophisticated and less brain-less than they were in the Cartoons could work really well. It could still be an action filled movie with some a more or less serious theme, but with comic relief here and there, like we all come to love and respect (hopefully) from TMNT media.

I'm not saying this is a perfect idea. But I am saying it would be cool to see Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady in some capacity in the movie.

But I'm nostalgic like that.

I don't know but many of you may be younger than me and only caught TMNT when it was the "new" TMNT cartoons so you may not have the appreciation for these characters the same way people from my generation did.

Anyways... I appreciate those who made thoughtful comments to this thread. Thanks. :)

[ZariusTwo]

You're getting ripped apart because you're obviously very much ignorant of the rights issues regarding those characters and the fact Pete is tolerant of the original series to a certain point.

I've probably nailed more birds than you have bees buddy, so drop the "you're all probably younger" line. We've all seen the original series, but those characters don't belong in Peter's version of what TMNT looks like, and if you were as much a fan of the franchise during the original series, you've probably seen the first movie, you know, the one based on the actual comics?

Bebop and Rocksteady were going to be included in the second movie, Pete and Kevin fought against it and created Tokka and Razor, so no, there was never any real attempt on their part, even when the oppertunity was possible, to bring in those characters.

[Zelda]

I always did want to see a really well developed evil-master-mind Krang...very vicious and oozing XD

Otherwise... eh ;p nothing major. Little nods to the old show like the 2k3 show has done will be perfect... surprise me :D

[Jo Dawn]

I'm guessing you don't like this idea because you think they will bring the class of the movie down some how. But remember... The second TMNT movie had two bit mutants and that worked while STILL maintaining a sense of seriousness and 'darkness' for those of you who need that.

Well, I have to disagree with that. I didn't much like Tokka or Rahzar, and I didn't find it to be dark enough. But, it's still my favorite movie of the three.

I think IF done right the presence of Krang a evil GENIUS and Bebop and Rocksteady and more sophisticated and less brain-less than they were in the Cartoons could work really well.

But then they wouldn't be Bebop and Rocksteady. Krang would be a cool evil genuis, but Bebop and Rocksteady just are what they are.

I don't know but many of you may be younger than me and only caught TMNT when it was the "new" TMNT cartoons so you may not have the appreciation for these characters the same way people from my generation did.

Hehe, I dare say I'll guess I'm a bit older than you. Please don't speak for your generation like that. I did NOT like or appreciate those characters. Ever. So it's unfair to assume that those of us that were old enough to watch it all from the beginning loved those characters.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

NOW, just a second people... For those of you who are 'viciously' opposed to the idea of Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady appearing in the CGI movie...

I'm guessing you don't like this idea because you think they will bring the class of the movie down some how. But remember... The second TMNT movie had two bit mutants and that worked while STILL maintaining a sense of seriousness and 'darkness' for those of you who need that.

I think IF done right the presence of Krang a evil GENIUS and Bebop and Rocksteady and more sophisticated and less brain-less than they were in the Cartoons could work really well. It could still be an action filled movie with some a more or less serious theme, but with comic relief here and there, like we all come to love and respect (hopefully) from TMNT media.

I'm not saying this is a perfect idea. But I am saying it would be cool to see Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady in some capacity in the movie.

But I'm nostalgic like that.

I don't know but many of you may be younger than me and only caught TMNT when it was the "new" TMNT cartoons so you may not have the appreciation for these characters the same way people from my generation did.

Anyways... I appreciate those who made thoughtful comments to this thread. Thanks. :)

Dude, I've benn with the TMNT since the old toon. I loved Bebop and Rocksteady, I still hopd a special place for those nit-wits, but they would only work in their universe, not this one.

Not the mention the whole rights issues, those two and Krang are owned by Fred Wolfe Films, they're seperate from mirage, so don't count on them ever showing up again in any turtle media anytime soon.

Also, I wan't to say to all the people like you, please stop thinking that the new toon or new movie will ever be like the old toon, time to move on. The old show was what it was, and the new toon and movie is how they are.

[jeff the cheff]

Yea , the old toon is on dvd if you want to see bebop rocksteady and krang, theres hundred of those episodes on dvd.

[Zelda]

Hey, Jo Dawn (: I'm with you on that! I NEVER liked Bebop and Rocksteady and I grew up with the old toon. Didn't much care for Shredder either. They all made me feel really patronized--especially when you could turn on X-men and get some villians that weren't whiney and bumbling. I didn't even have the comics for comparison...had never seen a comics store, I actually thought "comics" was an imaginary concept XD;;

[Spitfire]

Hey, Jo Dawn (: I'm with you on that! I NEVER liked Bebop and Rocksteady and I grew up with the old toon. Didn't much care for Shredder either. They all made me feel really patronized--especially when you could turn on X-men and get some villians that weren't whiney and bumbling. I didn't even have the comics for comparison...had never seen a comics store, I actually thought "comics" was an imaginary concept XD;;

Okay you know what the word you just used means right

pa·tron·ize /ˈpeɪtrəˌnaɪz, ˈpæ‑/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pey-truh-nahyz, pa‑] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -ized, -iz·ing.
1. to give (a store, restaurant, hotel, etc.) one's regular patronage; trade with.
2. to behave in an offensively condescending manner toward: a professor who patonizes his students.
3. to act as a patron toward (an artist, institution, etc.); support.

Okay so class what is wrong with the use of said word?

And no there are no hundreds of episodes on DVD there are in fact not even 300 episodes in the entire series.

[Zelda]

Uh, yeah I graduated with a degree in English I know what patronized means and I know how to use it in a sentence.

Let me rephrase: writing characters as bumbling and stupid for cheap humor felt condescending to me when I was young. It felt like an offence to my intelligence to expect that kids don't appreciate or can't handle characters who aren't dumbed down.

I don't see where your confusion is?

[Jo Dawn]

Okay you know what the word you just used means right

pa·tron·ize /ˈpeɪtrəˌnaɪz, ˈpæ‑/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pey-truh-nahyz, pa‑] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -ized, -iz·ing.
1. to give (a store, restaurant, hotel, etc.) one's regular patronage; trade with.
2. to behave in an offensively condescending manner toward: a professor who patonizes his students.
3. to act as a patron toward (an artist, institution, etc.); support.

Okay so class what is wrong with the use of said word?



Spit, dear... Zelda used it right. Look at the bolded, heh. ;)

And Zelda! Yes! Condescending is a PERFECT word to use there. That's the word I was looking for.

Yeah, I just... didn't 'get' it, I guess. Was never much interested in the inept.

[CJStyles]

Not gonna beat a dead horse but like one of the guys said the original toon was what it was and the new Movie and show are in the vision that one Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman created, dark and edgy. Sure it will be tamed down for the kids because its found its way in the mainstream medium of the franchise of the TMNT

[ZariusTwo]

Hey, Jo Dawn (: I'm with you on that! I NEVER liked Bebop and Rocksteady and I grew up with the old toon. Didn't much care for Shredder either. They all made me feel really patronized--especially when you could turn on X-men and get some villians that weren't whiney and bumbling. I didn't even have the comics for comparison...had never seen a comics store, I actually thought "comics" was an imaginary concept XD;;

How could comedy characters "patronise" you?

[Ryzar]

You're getting ripped apart because you're obviously very much ignorant of the rights issues regarding those characters and the fact Pete is tolerant of the original series to a certain point.

I've probably nailed more birds than you have bees buddy, so drop the "you're all probably younger" line. We've all seen the original series, but those characters don't belong in Peter's version of what TMNT looks like, and if you were as much a fan of the franchise during the original series, you've probably seen the first movie, you know, the one based on the actual comics?

Bebop and Rocksteady were going to be included in the second movie, Pete and Kevin fought against it and created Tokka and Razor, so no, there was never any real attempt on their part, even when the oppertunity was possible, to bring in those characters.

Yeah, I'm sorry ... I'm not this TMNT all-knowing being. I had no idea of such 'rights issues' regarding certain characters. I didn't even know the original TMNT was based on the mirage comics more than the cartoon. So sue me? :)

Why? Well, because when I first watched these movies I just liked them for what they were and the characters it did have from the cartoon, and all the other good things. I wasn't aware of the mirage comics. I was quite aware of the cartoon though. And I still very much enjoyed all of the 3 TMNT live action movies.

I know you're calling me ignorant, I think that's pretty harsh man. I mean, not every TMNT fan is a fan of ALL the facets and mediums that TMNT has been apart of. You know that. And because of that we all come with our own impressions of TMNT to this day.

Anyways, now I'm sure many of you have seen the original toons, before I wasn't so sure because it's possible they could be the reverse of me and only have seen the new versions of the TMNT cartoons.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, I am not even sure myself I REALLY want to see Bebop, Rocksteady and/or Krang in this movie. I just brought up the IDEA of it. Ideas shouldn't hurt people.

It should be just friendly topic of debate.

[VaughnMichael]

Let me rephrase: writing characters as bumbling and stupid for cheap humor felt condescending to me when I was young. It felt like an offence to my intelligence to expect that kids don't appreciate or can't handle characters who aren't dumbed down.
I don't see where your confusion is?
Personally I think it's a bit selfish to think characters are made one way or another for anyone one person.
The characters are just that characters they are you're typical lackey and I really see nothing wrong with Shredder having dumb thug henchmen.
They weren't kids they where grown men so I hardly see how they could be trying to make kids look dumb or thinking kids are dumb for such a reason.
I think the show wouldn't have been the same had Bebop and Rocksteady been smart hell they weren't always dumb and in fact did have good moments.
There is such a thing missing from shows today called good comic relief btw something that Bebop and Rocksteady and even at times Krang and Shredder had been in the old show which in my opinion is leaps and bounds over anything 2k3 came up with or fast forward but that's beside the point.
How could comedy characters "patronise" you?
Oh didn't you know he owns a 7-11 in Jersey and Bebop and Rocksteady used to come in all the time and buy slurpees from him.:lol:

[Spitfire]

How could comedy characters "patronise" you?

Yes that's what I'd like to know, it's not like they come out of the TV and "behave in an offensively condescending manner toward" you

[Krang]

It should be just friendly topic of debate.Exactly. Let's keep this thread free of personal attacks and classic cartoon bashing, or it will have to be locked.

[jeff the cheff]

I understand what she meant by patronize. It does make sense guys.

I've been watching the old dvd's lately, and it was a good show but thats in the past now.

[ZariusTwo]

I've been watching the old dvd's lately, and it was a good show but thats in the past now.

No, it's not "in the past". It still holds up and it still even flat out owns the new series.

1. Read what Krang said about no more original series bashing

2. The original series is a comedy action/adventure series, how can it patronise when half of it's characters and jokes are all centered around knowing full well it's a cartoon with soical commentary humour and fourth-wall breaking references?

I could easily say the new series patronizes at times (and god help me...it really does with it's s*it humour)

[jeff the cheff]

No, it's not "in the past". It still holds up and it still even flat out owns the new series.

1. Read what Krang said about no more original series bashing

2. The original series is a comedy action/adventure series, how can it patronise when half of it's characters and jokes are all centered around knowing full well it's a cartoon with soical commentary humour and fourth-wall breaking references?

I could easily say the new series patronizes at times (and god help me...it really does with it's s*it humour)


K,if 1996 isn't the past than your absolutley right. But I just hunted down a proffesor in history and asked him if 1996 was "in the past" and he said it was.

I don't agree that bebop and rocksteady were patronizing, I was just agreeing with the word choice that was being debated earlier.

And the old cartoon was 10000 times funnier. I was just watching the curse of the evil eye episode, when that guy that got fired from channel 6 news was using the eye of zarnoth. Anyway I laughed so hard when he tried to change his gold watch to gold and it didn't work, and then he asked why and Baxter Stockman comes in and says "because your an idiot!" :lol:

So I'm not bashing the old series, but getting back to the original question, no I don't wish they tried to re-create the old series in the movie. We've been there done that with the old toon and its time to move on. You can appreciate the old series without wishing for it's style to be copied in the present, and thats exactly what I'm doing

[Duke]

Okay so class what is wrong with the use of said word?Please, explain how the word 'class' is used correctly in your sentence...If you are going to question Zelda's word usage, maybe you should brush up on your own English skills first.

On topic...I absolutely love the original toon, but those characters just wouldn't fit in the TMNT movies' universe. They had the opportunity to try it in the 2nd TMNT movie and didn't go in that direction.

[Sage Ninja]

No, it's not "in the past". It still holds up and it still even flat out owns the new series.

1. Read what Krang said about no more original series bashing

2. The original series is a comedy action/adventure series, how can it patronise when half of it's characters and jokes are all centered around knowing full well it's a cartoon with soical commentary humour and fourth-wall breaking references?

I could easily say the new series patronizes at times (and god help me...it really does with it's s*it humour)

oh, God preach it!!!

I'm so sick of hearing people saying how lame the classic toon is compared to the 2k3 series. I mean every one is entitled to their own opinion, but damn their comparing the shows on unequal scales.

[Spitfire]

Please, explain how the word 'class' is used correctly in your sentence...If you are going to question Zelda's word usage, maybe you should brush up on your own English skills first.

Wow did you totally miss that. If I need to explain that sentence to you then you need to go back to pre-school.

[Jo Dawn]

Ooookay. Let's not fight about the grammer now.

I mean every one is entitled to their own opinion, but damn their comparing the shows on unequal scales.

You're right. They ARE on uneven scales. The moment in time that both of them were created in, are not the same, and cannot really be compared.

However...

And the old cartoon was 10000 times funnier.

In your opinion, maybe. ANYbody that has an opinion about either of these cartoons... it's JUST their opinion. None of it's fact.

[ZariusTwo]

In your opinion, maybe. ANYbody that has an opinion about either of these cartoons... it's JUST their opinion. None of it's fact.

We're all aware of it being an opinion, it's just whenever the elitist new TMNT series fans pull something like this, they look for fights deliberatly, knowing both series are too different

I mean, and it seems people like me have to reitterate this for those who don't want to understand out of spite, the site is not called The Technodrome out of fracking sentiment it's a site devoted to what some people (the majority) think was the best version of the franchise, do the new series fans see anything new series related in the majority of the content? No, what the hell gives them the right to keep this bitter crap up, all it leads to is unnecersary back and fourth bickering over which one is better, in a fandom as rare as this where hostility is a distinct rarity, we need to keep setting that example.

[jeff the cheff]

You are right, its just my opinion that the old show is funnier. There could be some people who think the new series is funnier, and neither of them are facts.

But really, who does think the new series is funnier? :lol:

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

We're all aware of it being an opinion, it's just whenever the elitist new TMNT series fans pull something like this, they look for fights deliberatly, knowing both series are too different

I mean, and it seems people like me have to reitterate this for those who don't want to understand out of spite, the site is not called The Technodrome out of fracking sentiment it's a site devoted to what some people (the majority) think was the best version of the franchise, do the new series fans see anything new series related in the majority of the content? No, what the hell gives them the right to keep this bitter crap up, all it leads to is unnecersary back and fourth bickering over which one is better, in a fandom as rare as this where hostility is a distinct rarity, we need to keep setting that example.

Can't we all just get along.

Anyway, Zarius is right, I mean, were already ridiculed, since the majority of comic fandom see TMNT as gimmicky jokes. We shouldn't be fighting each other about something as trivial as this, I've wasted countless hours on this same pointless argument, only to realize this exact same thing.

There is no superior version, it's all just a matter of opinion. It's not our place to say which is best. I don't think it's even Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird's place to say which is the best.

Some people like DC, some people like Marvel, but that does'nt mean one of them is better than the other. It's the same with TMNT.