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TmntFan121
12-21-2006, 12:12 PM
Why is this? TMNT was so popular in the late 80's and early 90's but the only good movie to come out was the first one. If you look at each of the movies back to back you will see that the actors get worse, the story gets worse and the execution of the movie gets worse. Now they got this new one coming out....totally in cgi. lol. In my opinion this new movie is gonna be a big flop.
Sure you are gonna have little 10 years olds that wanna go see this movie but they are gonna lose alot of the older TMNT fans because of this pixar type cgi they are doing.
When I first saw this movie was coming out I was pleased. I thought they were gonna try to recreate how good the first one was. Then I went to the site to view the trailer and and see this cgi crap. The first thing I thought of when I saw the turtles in CGI was this. (http://www.nickjr.com/shows/franklin/index.jhtml)
So what do you guys think?
I think tons of older fans are going to come out and watch the new movie, despite the fact it's CGI instead of live action.
If you had done any research you'd know this movie is going to be very good and made for fans.
its cgi so what? quit whining it will ahieve both demographics and probably blow the first one away.
TmntFan121
12-21-2006, 12:31 PM
If the cgi effects were on the level of the movie Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within then it would pull in more money. It just looks too cartoonish now though. Only the super hardcore fans and kids are gonna see this. And there arent enough of those for the movie to be more than a flop. :P
Katie
12-21-2006, 12:32 PM
yeah.....
you're allowed to have your opinion and all, but Kevin Munroe is a FAN of the franchise. The movie is going to be a really decent show for fans of all ages.
give it a chance! :D
jeff the cheff
12-21-2006, 12:45 PM
It looks nothing like Franklin though...
I think this movie would be way worse if there were bad costumes, but better if they made really good costumes.
If the cgi effects were on the level of the movie Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within then it would pull in more money. It just looks too cartoonish now though. Only the super hardcore fans and kids are gonna see this. And there arent enough of those for the movie to be more than a flop. :P
thats up to personal opinion, i think super realistic humans would have looked silly interacting with turtles...
have you seen the original teaser? not the trailer the teaser watch it.
And you are wrong if its a hit with the kids it'll be a hit, no hardcore fans needed, and if marketed right this movie will be seen by all the 80s nostalgic adults as well just like the new transformers movie.
it could be a flop but hopefully it isn't as the movie looks really good.
R-iZZy
12-21-2006, 12:55 PM
Practically everyone I know knows about this movie and are excited to see it, and they aren't even TMNT fans like me. Everyone that had TMNT rule their childhood will see this, simply because the TMNT could be considered a cult classic. This movie won't brick simply because of the name connected to it.
TerranigmaFreak
12-21-2006, 12:59 PM
If the cgi effects were on the level of the movie Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within then it would pull in more money. It just looks too cartoonish now though. Only the super hardcore fans and kids are gonna see this. And there arent enough of those for the movie to be more than a flop. :P
You mean if it had the "quality" of the CGI as FF, this movie would be a huge flop. Only and idiot likes the emotionless plastic puppets that you see in Final Fantasy ANYTHING.
johnnyblaze
12-21-2006, 01:20 PM
Why is this? TMNT was so popular in the late 80's and early 90's but the only good movie to come out was the first one. If you look at each of the movies back to back you will see that the actors get worse, the story gets worse and the execution of the movie gets worse. Now they got this new one coming out....totally in cgi. lol. In my opinion this new movie is gonna be a big flop.
Sure you are gonna have little 10 years olds that wanna go see this movie but they are gonna lose alot of the older TMNT fans because of this pixar type cgi they are doing.
When I first saw this movie was coming out I was pleased. I thought they were gonna try to recreate how good the first one was. Then I went to the site to view the trailer and and see this cgi crap. The first thing I thought of when I saw the turtles in CGI was this. (http://www.nickjr.com/shows/franklin/index.jhtml)
So what do you guys think?
In interviews during the comic con the film's producer talked about the fact that no studio was willing to finance a live action TMNT film, so they went with CGI. And with CGI the doors are open to make the turtle's world bigger and better, something they had trouble doing with the original films
Roseangelo
12-21-2006, 01:22 PM
So there's less effort being put into the new movie because it's CGI and not live action? Despite the fact that there's easily more man-hours being put into animating every single frame than there'd be in a live action movie?
The reason the first movie can be considered the best is because they were able to develop a rather serious story without having to worry about public scrutiny. Unfortunately, despite only a PG rating, a lot of parents cried foul because of violence and language. So the people with the money made sure that wouldn't be the case for #2. It wasn't less effort that made it a "worse" movie, it was politics. Movie #3 really wasn't a bad movie, it was just unfortunate that the quality of the costumes went down. Again, not something connected to less effort.
Half the stuff seen in the new trailer wouldn't be possible if it were being done live-action. If Final Fantasy is the measure against which you compare all computer animated films, I don't think you quite understand the purpose of CGI. First, FF was hardly a successful film in terms of the box office; TMNT should be able to beat that out without any trouble. Second, if ultra-realism is what you want, you shouldn't be watching a movie, be it live-action or animated, about 5-foot tall walking, talking, ninja turtles in the first place.
I understand that not everyone is going to be in agreement about the new movie, but if you are going to be critical of it you'd do yourself a favor by actually making a good arguement.
johnnyblaze
12-21-2006, 01:24 PM
If the cgi effects were on the level of the movie Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within then it would pull in more money. It just looks too cartoonish now though. Only the super hardcore fans and kids are gonna see this. And there arent enough of those for the movie to be more than a flop. :P
how do you figure? exactly how much money do you think Final Fantasy made?
plus it'll hit the same audience the original turtle films hit, possibly even more considering the popularity of the CGI genre and the cult like status of the turtles
Roseangelo
12-21-2006, 01:30 PM
Final Fantasy made a whopping $32 million (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=finalfantasy.htm).
You're gonna have to try a lot harder to convince anyone around here the movie is going to fail because it's CGI.
ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael
12-21-2006, 01:30 PM
If the cgi effects were on the level of the movie Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within then it would pull in more money. It just looks too cartoonish now though. Only the super hardcore fans and kids are gonna see this. And there arent enough of those for the movie to be more than a flop. :P
Yeeeeaaaah, so just becaue it's not photo realistic like Final Fantasy, it's automatically crap. :roll: Yeah sorry, I respect others opinion but dude, **** you.
Look, they weren't going for photo realistic, they intended to give it that cartoonish style. In case you didn't know, theres no motion capture in this, it's all been hand drawn. Just as much effort went into this movie as Final Fantasy.
Watch the trailer, you would see the animation is some of the most impressive in a long time. And the level of detail is outstanding.
More importantly, it's the writting and characterization you should really focus on. Roseangelo sumed it up best, if you compare the look TMNT or any other CGI movie with that of Final Fantasy, it's not fair. 2 diffrent styles were used. It's just like ocmparing the 2 TMNT cartoons, you can't do it becaus they're too different.
johnnyblaze
12-21-2006, 01:36 PM
let's represent a little
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/jgbfan13/tmntnewpics1.jpg
more pics here
http://www.superherohype.com/news/tmntnews.php?id=5039
ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael
12-21-2006, 01:40 PM
Sweet ****ing Asscrackers where can I buy these posters?
johnnyblaze
12-21-2006, 01:43 PM
I swear, this is a great time to be a turtles fan. Kevin Munroe, thank you and your crew bro
Sewer Bull
12-21-2006, 02:03 PM
let's represent a little
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/jgbfan13/tmntnewpics1.jpg
more pics here
http://www.superherohype.com/news/tmntnews.php?id=5039
OK. Now even I am amazed... and craving for buying one.
johnnyblaze
12-21-2006, 02:06 PM
from www.ninjaturtles.com
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/jgbfan13/holidays06.jpg
Well, my input really isn't needed here. But, if the dude/dudette wants to hate on the movie when the majority of people are psyched about it, what's it going to hurt? But, when all his/her friends and reporters everywhere are giving it rave reviews, I won't be surprised when he/she dons a disguise to go check it out incognito. ;) BTW, where do we keep the troll repellent? :D :lol:
Spawn Guy
12-21-2006, 02:28 PM
Why is this? TMNT was so popular in the late 80's and early 90's but the only good movie to come out was the first one. If you look at each of the movies back to back you will see that the actors get worse, the story gets worse and the execution of the movie gets worse. Now they got this new one coming out....totally in cgi. lol. In my opinion this new movie is gonna be a big flop.
Sure you are gonna have little 10 years olds that wanna go see this movie but they are gonna lose alot of the older TMNT fans because of this pixar type cgi they are doing.
When I first saw this movie was coming out I was pleased. I thought they were gonna try to recreate how good the first one was. Then I went to the site to view the trailer and and see this cgi crap. The first thing I thought of when I saw the turtles in CGI was this. (http://www.nickjr.com/shows/franklin/index.jhtml)
So what do you guys think?
I think I want to see you do better.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/jgbfan13/tmntnewpics1.jpg
For a second there I thought that wasn't based on a 2003 show design. Its cool what these guys are doing with this stuff.
Anarky
12-21-2006, 02:43 PM
Nownow, kids, don't go flame each other, you know that will bring warnings. And as you might know, Warnings aren't the best Christmas present ever.
And I do see the threadopener's concern (I'm terribly sorry, I forgot your name, all I know is that it has TMNT somewhere in it) and I do share it to some extent. This is mainly based on the look the humans have. They look like Jimmy Neutron while the TMNT look like something far more sophisticated. I would have appreciated a more serious and less cartoony look for them, but I assume that Mr. Kevin and his crew thought about the look before making the decision.
It's nothing I couldn't live with or that'd make me say "Whoa, not with me. Screw you guys, I'm not seeing this!" but it is something that has me a little worried.
TmntFan121
12-21-2006, 02:51 PM
It's not simply the fact that it's CGI. It's because it looks like a fking cartoon. What about the cgi effects in jurassic park in 1995. Why couldn't they do something like that? I'm sure it would be much cheaper 11 years later.
And the thing that made TMNT two and three bad was the atmosphere. I think a TMNT movie with an R rating would be kickass. Be it CGI or live action.
Spawn Guy
12-21-2006, 02:57 PM
Everyone wants an R rating on this stuff. Just because it dosen't have one dosen't mean its going to be bad.
ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael
12-21-2006, 03:11 PM
It's not simply the fact that it's CGI. It's because it looks like a fking cartoon. What about the cgi effects in jurassic park in 1995. Why couldn't they do something like that? I'm sure it would be much cheaper 11 years later.
And the thing that made TMNT two and three bad was the atmosphere. I think a TMNT movie with an R rating would be kickass. Be it CGI or live action.
Thats becaus it is a ****ing cartoon. As I said before, they were never going for photo realistic in the first place. Just because you saw Advent Children and liked the style, does'nt mean all CGI films need to look like that. I'd prefer if they didn't. It takes away from the creativity.
And dude, TMNT 2 and 3 were not R rated, that had a PG atmosphere at best. Don't expect an R rated TMNT anytime soon. Just like we'll never get an R rated Spiderman, Batman, or X-Men movie, we'll never get a TMNT movie becuase it's regarded as a kids property.
Anarky
12-21-2006, 03:12 PM
Cartoon or no cartoon, bypassing the swearword filters is against the rules and would actually give you an instant warning. And no, this is not debateable.
But seriously, I think a CGI-movie is probably the best solution for the franchise. Because the huge effort with costumes does limit the TMNT's movements and would have demanded CGI-efforts as well as costume-builders. This would have made the costs explode. However, they apparently spent all the money on the models of the TMNT and stole Jimmy Neutron's parents for the humans.
And an R-rating would be rather nifty, but seeing as how TMNT wants to appeal to a broad demographic, the R-yellers are on a lost post.
I think a TMNT movie with an R rating would be kickass.
Aha! So, that's your concern. Seriously, where do we keep the troll-repellant?!?
johnnyblaze
12-21-2006, 03:33 PM
It's not simply the fact that it's CGI. It's because it looks like a fking cartoon. What about the cgi effects in jurassic park in 1995. Why couldn't they do something like that? I'm sure it would be much cheaper 11 years later.
And the thing that made TMNT two and three bad was the atmosphere. I think a TMNT movie with an R rating would be kickass. Be it CGI or live action.
they tried to get that off the ground years ago via a Hallmark special--no one wanted that either
plus a dangerous and mature atmosphere can be created in a cgi cartoon. I mean seriously, look is one thing but the actual story and acting is another. the most we wold get in an r-rated turtles film is swearing and blood shed. is that seriously going to make or break a film for you, if the turtles don't swear and get blood on their hands?
Exactly my opinion on the matter. Thanks, jb. :)
ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael
12-21-2006, 03:43 PM
Aha! So, that's your concern. Seriously, where do we keep the troll-repellant?!?
Right next to the flamer extinguisher.
discordiatookie
12-21-2006, 03:55 PM
I honestly don't see your concern. Sure, it's CGI, and sure, the humans look a bit iffy, but to say that it is gonna be worse than the other three (going by the rule that they get worse with each movie) is just stupid. If you have seen the two trailers then how can you not fail to see the detail, the awesomeness of it all? I watched it frame by frame and even the skin and muscle movements of the turtles are amazing. The backgrounds look great. The action is something that I don't think could be done with people in suits, without looking like something out of the power rangers. And to think that because it is CGI it will fail is just dumb. Off the top of my head, here are some classic CGI movies : Finding Nemo, Toy Stories 1 and 2, Shrek 1 and 2, Madegascar, and all. They appeal to kids and adults alike, and i'm sure this movie will too. As for R-Rated, sure it would be cool, but look at it like this: Take the ultra-violent Bodycount, and compare it to ANY of the first 11 or so Mirage turtle comics. Take the Leo one shot for example, its full of action aint it, and most of it is done off the page, showing it without actually showing it. And to have them swearing is just dumb, I think. Swear words doesn't make a film cool.
Right next to the flamer extinguisher.
That wasn't washing powder? O_o
*takes off his jacket and waves it around*
Raph'N'Roll
12-21-2006, 04:23 PM
I think the CGI looks great, and that'll be something I'll be admiring when I go see the movie.
This is an animated comic book movie, so ultra realism should go out the window, give me over the top action and entertainment, why have the boundaries of realism?!(isn't this why the Matrix was so good?)
Final Fantasy was impressive, but it lacked charm and character, and ultimately was a forgettable movie.
TMNT will be something different for the usual Pixar audience, instead of singing and dancing, there will be fighting and action, I know which I prefer.
ZariusTwo
12-21-2006, 04:56 PM
...Well it seems the first case of anti-movie idiocy has risen it's ugly head.
As stated, it's an animated movie, TMNT has been a danged children's franchise for much of it's existence, what we're getting so far is effortlessy miraculous given that stigma, those who don't appreciate the tone and that said miracalous ability are just...idiots, plain and simple.
Oh no! It's the cranky Zarius! Hide! :tcouch:
Spawn Guy
12-21-2006, 05:08 PM
When he's right?
You're killing me, Spawnie. Am I your next target or something? :P
Masked Ninja
12-21-2006, 05:23 PM
I do think the humans are a little too "cute" for my liking (I'm looking at April and Karai here) as far as design goes. What I'm concerned about is how they look in motion, and how their faces pull off the dialogue. And ultimately, what really matters is the Turtles (and the animation first and foremost) anyway, and those look great.
And I do want to put in my two cents and say that I would LOVE to see a more hardcore TMNT film. However, I think R-rated is a little extreme. PG-13 would be perfect for me. Some actual blood, some choice words from Raph... nothing any more severe than what was in the comics. R-rated would mean gore that's a lot more extreme than I want to see, and language stronger than I want to hear. It's too bad they couldn't sneak some mild language and blood into a PG movie, but unfortunately PG is becoming the new G as far as complaining parents are concerned. :tgrumble:
Warhorse
12-21-2006, 07:04 PM
Well, my input really isn't needed here. But, if the dude/dudette wants to hate on the movie when the majority of people are psyched about it, what's it going to hurt? But, when all his/her friends and reporters everywhere are giving it rave reviews, I won't be surprised when he/she dons a disguise to go check it out incognito. ;) BTW, where do we keep the troll repellent? :D :lol:
Ditto here. I was wondering if the thread starter was a troll. They need to go cry and wine on the IMDb boards or something. This is a place where we worship the Turtles, not down talk them.
Anarky
12-21-2006, 07:07 PM
Well, assuming that the TMNT-guy who started this thread (I still can't remember the name) is not a troll, his or her concerns are more or less valid. I don't worry about the movie not getting an R-Rating, but the humans out quite a dent into the whole "This movie's gonna be awesome"-hysteria for me. All of a sudden, this movie looks 50% like the TMNT and 50% like every other CGI-abomination out there. And that has me a little worried.
Jo Dawn
12-21-2006, 07:14 PM
Upon conversing via the boards here to Kevin, Im not that worried anymore about the movie. Have some faith, dearie.
And, without 'quoting' all of it... I agree with Masked Ninja about the rating thing. Higher would be awesome, like the comics.
Warhorse
12-21-2006, 07:50 PM
Well, assuming that the TMNT-guy who started this thread (I still can't remember the name) is not a troll, his or her concerns are more or less valid. I don't worry about the movie not getting an R-Rating, but the humans out quite a dent into the whole "This movie's gonna be awesome"-hysteria for me. All of a sudden, this movie looks 50% like the TMNT and 50% like every other CGI-abomination out there. And that has me a little worried.
With all due respect, my response to the thread starter was not based on his opinion on the way the humans look. Yeah, I agree, they look more alien like than human. But by the tone or mannerism he used in his quotes by claiming that this movie is gonna flop big time, is a set up for an argumental debate. Hence, troll.
And I have seen this similar thread plastered all over the internet. I feel it is just someone trying to get a rise out out of the forum members. Look, this board has been here all this time, and this new member decides his first post is to be a negative one? Gimme a break.
mikey2007
12-21-2006, 08:12 PM
people really shouldn't be hating on movie that hasn't even been seen yet! i mean its alright if they wanna gripe about the stuff after it has came out, but i think you just got to give the movie a chance and have some faith in Kevin
haha obviously there isnt a method to make every fan happy, cuz there are the people that want a more dark movie, but then on the other hand there are the people that would still complain about it being too dark, the turtles span over everything from the dark comics to the humerous/easy going cartoons, personally i think from what i've seen so far they have done a good job of combining every aspect of the turtles into one movie
Aignatius
12-21-2006, 08:29 PM
Sounds like the kind of conversations the fans had when Lord of the Rings was still in the production phase. Hehe... but it would be great if that fellow from Ain't It Cool News gave it a rave review.
ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael
12-21-2006, 11:01 PM
Sounds like the kind of conversations the fans had when Lord of the Rings was still in the production phase. Hehe... but it would be great if that fellow from Ain't It Cool News gave it a rave review.
I read their review of the trailer. And if they're gonna be that closed minded, then screw them.
Buslady
12-22-2006, 12:43 AM
:o :o :o I
MUST....
MUST
HAVE
POSTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
:D :D :D
Raph's just.......AWESOOOOMMEEEEEEEEEEEEE................
let's represent a little
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/jgbfan13/tmntnewpics1.jpg
more pics here
http://www.superherohype.com/news/tmntnews.php?id=5039
Roseangelo
12-22-2006, 12:47 AM
I actually found a higher res version of the poster and uploaded it to Flickr here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/roseangelo/329609067/) (click "all sizes" to get the bigbig version).
But I agree - MUST have!!!
Spawn Guy
12-22-2006, 01:13 AM
Well, assuming that the TMNT-guy who started this thread (I still can't remember the name) is not a troll, his or her concerns are more or less valid. I don't worry about the movie not getting an R-Rating, but the humans out quite a dent into the whole "This movie's gonna be awesome"-hysteria for me. All of a sudden, this movie looks 50% like the TMNT and 50% like every other CGI-abomination out there. And that has me a little worried.
There's a diffrence between having concerns about a moive and bashing it. This guy makes it pretty clear what he's doing when the first thing he does on a turtle board is post something that puts down part of the franchise. Before its actually out even.
Anarky
12-22-2006, 03:56 AM
Of course we instantly know that we're dealing with a troll and that we must bash him because... wait, we don't know. So that's why we're going to keep it civil, people.
And troll or not, he/she does voice valid concerns. So let's talk about those and not about how he/she might be a troll.
I like civil. It shows maturity. That's why I've decided to ignore this person's complaints. But, seriously, Anarky tried putting more reasonable complaints in their mouth, and they just spit them into the garbage. I think that's all the convincing I need to know that my time has better use elsewhere.
Raph'N'Roll
12-22-2006, 08:40 AM
ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael:I read their review of the trailer. And if they're gonna be that closed minded, then screw them.
Actually Harry never commented on the new trailer, but he loved the teaser and seemed genuinely excited about the movie.
The negative comments(not the forum ones) made about the Trailer were about the size of the stupid mtv stamp sized clip.
The new poster looks ok, it seems a bit crowded though, I think the Landscape one with them on top of a building looked far better.
Spawn Guy
12-22-2006, 09:08 AM
Of course we instantly know that we're dealing with a troll and that we must bash him because... wait, we don't know. So that's why we're going to keep it civil, people.
And troll or not, he/she does voice valid concerns. So let's talk about those and not about how he/she might be a troll.
This person has made 3 posts. All of which are complaints. Not concerns, complaints, and could have been made in any of the other threads without yelling "Look at me!" And I think you mean they have your concerns, which are valid. But you have a reason to have these concerns, not an urge to barge in somewhere and go "Its (fill in blank) therefore its crap and that's that."
You're killing me, Spawnie. Am I your next target or something? :P
That's Mr Spawny to you, meat!
That's Mr Spawny to you, meat!
:blanksta: Yessir, Mr. Spawny, Sir. And, Spawny with a Y. It will never happen again, Sir. :sweatdro:
ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael
12-22-2006, 12:41 PM
Of course we instantly know that we're dealing with a troll and that we must bash him because... wait, we don't know. So that's why we're going to keep it civil, people.
And troll or not, he/she does voice valid concerns. So let's talk about those and not about how he/she might be a troll.
Valid concerns? He's saying this movie is gonna suck becuase the CGI looks nothing like that Advent Children. That's not being valid, that's being closed minded.
Warhorse
12-22-2006, 04:40 PM
This person has made 3 posts. All of which are complaints. Not concerns, complaints, and could have been made in any of the other threads without yelling "Look at me!" And I think you mean they have your concerns, which are valid. But you have a reason to have these concerns, not an urge to barge in somewhere and go "Its (fill in blank) therefore its crap and that's that.
Thank You Spawn. You voiced what I was trying to say. Why did this person have to make up an entire new thread? He could have put the same quote in one of the existing threads, but no. And why was his posts all for bashing something.
Why not voice his favorite Turtle, episodes etc.....
That's the first thing I did when I joined the forums.
CJStyles
12-22-2006, 07:54 PM
like everyone else said he is just wants to be negative hes not voicing concerns and look at this title, the movie hasnt even been in theatres so you cant really say they didnt put any effort into it
Come on, people. Let's not feed its ego anymore. Obviously, Zarius scared it off. So, why with the bickering still? Why don't we all laugh it off instead?
*quotes from the Revered Book of Forumtos*
Members so worldly-wise as able to recognize a troll must recognize that the way to manage a troll is with dispassion, buoyancy, or silence. A demonstrative inability to recognize the latter recognizes an inability to recognize the former.
Kinda wish I wrote that.
Anyway. I'd rather talk about that poster. Mikey is still scaring me. :teek:
Spawn Guy
12-23-2006, 03:01 AM
Why? Leo and Raph are the one with the stalker smiles. And Don has no face!
Aignatius
12-23-2006, 10:29 AM
Scary??? No face? Am I looking at the same poster you all are looking at? :s
There's just something disturbing about the feral twist in Mike's rather innocent-looking features. Yeah, Leo has a mean "gotcha" look and Raph's tiny grin is downright sadistic, but the contrast isn't there to add that feeling of something being... unnatural. Don't get me wrong-- I like the poster. It reflects a special quality of Mikey's. He can go from playing with action figures to smashing your skull in 3 seconds flat.
But Don? The Turtle Has No Face? haha
Masked Ninja
12-23-2006, 01:48 PM
I like that Mikey's face is capable of something other than a dopey grin. His action figure is creepy, but this new poster is sweet.
Not seeing the no-face Don, though. His mouth isn't open so it's less visible, but his eyes are easy to pick out...
Aignatius
12-23-2006, 02:16 PM
There's just something disturbing about the feral twist in Mike's rather innocent-looking features. Yeah, Leo has a mean "gotcha" look and Raph's tiny grin is downright sadistic, but the contrast isn't there to add that feeling of something being... unnatural. Don't get me wrong-- I like the poster. It reflects a special quality of Mikey's. He can go from playing with action figures to smashing your skull in 3 seconds flat.
But Don? The Turtle Has No Face? haha
The trouble with anybody who got to know the TMNT through the cartoons is that they didn't have the original characters to compare them to, so they were suprised if there was ever any hint that Mikey had a "dark" side.
Personally, I don't have a problem with the different manifestations, not even the original toon, any more. They are appealing at a different level, but it obviously was a simpler world with simpler rules, just the same.
In the original Mirage comic arc, the TMNT were respectably powerful in the original story, each with his talents and weaknesses and dealing the dregs of humanity. Mikey fooled around and was witty, compassionate, and so forth, but he was obviously not stupid or incompetent. Not did he act like he was on Prozac all the time. He had his moods.
Somebody came up with the theory of Mikey having his own version of the "drunken master" technique. Coming across as not very coordinated when in fact he was in complete control. This confuses the opponent, and they underestimate his fighting abilities. Then the opponents are left wondering what the heck just happened. Heh.
Raph's got that feral grin thing happening... Leo's got a warrior face. Cool but fierce, maybe?
Don has no facial expression, is that what you meant? :D
Roseangelo
12-23-2006, 02:24 PM
Mikey's the best!!! :D :D :D :D
:lol:
Aignatius
12-23-2006, 02:59 PM
Mikey's the best!!! :D :D :D :D
:lol:
You!!! :x
Durghflingin' Angelo camp... :P
Warhorse
12-23-2006, 03:16 PM
Actually, in my eyes, Don looks like he is thinking. Ever see a person trying to think. They have that dead stare to them.
Buslady
12-23-2006, 03:35 PM
Don does too have a face and expression! It's the angle ...I can see little hints of his mouth...it's closed. And from the angle we see him, you wont see much of his big geeky mouth anyways.
There's one thing that bugs me, minor detail...why does the top edge of the bandana stick out away from the sides of their head? I'd think they got good enough at tying them to prevent that.
And Im wondering if we will see them without bandanas...or out of 'uniform' as just plain ol mutants.
Spawn Guy
12-23-2006, 03:50 PM
Not seeing the no-face Don, though. His mouth isn't open so it's less visible, but his eyes are easy to pick out...
Mouth. I meant mouth.
And to be fair, it was also a joke!
Aignatius
12-23-2006, 07:08 PM
"It- it was a joke!"
"Ohhh, hahahaha!"
:embarass:
Spawn Guy
12-24-2006, 03:07 AM
"Ok, here's another riddle. A woman has two children. A homicidal murderer tells her she can only keep one. Which one does she let him kill?"
"That's not a riddle! That's...that's just terrible!"
"Wrong! The ugly one!"
Anarky
12-24-2006, 05:48 AM
Yes, wonderful jokes. Here's another one:
Two tomatoes cross the street, one gets run over and the other one says: "Bye Ketchup."
And now, let's get back to the subject please.
Sewer Bull
12-24-2006, 05:59 AM
Two tomatoes cross the street, one gets run over and the other one says: "Bye Ketchup."
Bye Ketchup who?
Spawn Guy
12-24-2006, 07:35 AM
Yes, wonderful jokes. Here's another one:
Two tomatoes cross the street, one gets run over and the other one says: "Bye Ketchup."
And now, let's get back to the subject please.
Okay.
This movie is CGI therefore its going to suck. The end.
Okay.
This movie is CGI therefore its going to suck. The end.
:x
Is not!
Aaron
12-25-2006, 07:44 AM
So is there any desktop wallpaper for this movie yet? Id love to have some. And by the way, the movie looks like it could be good. Im definetly gonna see it.
ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael
12-25-2006, 10:18 AM
:x
Is not!
But he makes such valid points.
Spawn Guy
12-25-2006, 10:53 AM
So good in fact, he made them twice.
:x
Is not!
But I thought we were supposed to be getting back tot he subject. Which was that this movie was CGI and not Final Fantasy. And was therefore going to suck. And everybody agrees with that so much they leave this thread open even though no one's discussing it.
Christmas is bummin' ya out that much, eh?
Spawn Guy
12-25-2006, 02:16 PM
What ever gave you that impression?
Warhorse
12-25-2006, 02:20 PM
Spawn Guy, you're funny!
Personally, I am glad that TMNT is'nt gonna be like Final Fantasy. That was some weird CGI there.
Spawn Guy
12-25-2006, 02:58 PM
When did all this Final Fantasy comparision start? I don't want Final Fantasy, I never got into it, I want the TMNT. That's what I'm there for.
Here to now that I think about it. Where was I? Oh yeah!
Anyway, artistic license. Anyone who decides the styles going to turn them off, feel free. But this thread didn't have to happen and brings nothing new to the table than the other ten or so threads where this topic poped up. Since theres nothing to discuss, either let us joke or shut htis thing down.
Spawn Guy, you're funny!
Make 'em laugh
Make 'em laugh
Don't you know everyone wants to laugh?
My dad said "Be an actor, my son, but be a comical one."
They'll be standing in lines for those old honky-tonk monkeyshines
Now, you can study Shakspeare and be quite elite
And you could charm the critics and have nothing to eat
Just slip on a banana peel, the world's at your feet
Make 'em laugh
Make 'em laugh
Make 'em laugh
Make--
Make 'em laugh
Don't you know everyone wants to laugh?
My grandpa said "Go out and tell them a joke, but give it plenty of hope"
Make 'em roar
Make 'em scream
Take a fall, butt a wall, split a seam
You could start by pretending your a dancer with grace
Then you wiggle 'till they're giggling all over the place
Then you get a great big custard pie in the face
Make 'em laugh
Make 'em laugh
Make 'em laugh
Make 'em--
What?--
My Dad--
They'll be standing in lines for those old honky-tonk monkeyshines
Make 'em laugh
Make 'em laugh
Make 'em laugh
Make 'em laugh!
I try.
But he makes such valid points.
Everyone has the right to an opinion, whether anyone thinks it's valid or not. Everyone is free to present opposing opinions. And everyone is free to ignore the topic. But wait, we can't leave it there, because we have to attack Teh Kluulas Noob-- oh, excuse me, I mean Da Eevhel Trolh!!1!-- and throw barbs at anyone even remotely on the "wrong" side, which seems to be anyone who wants to talk about anything at all. A tip of the cap to your rhetorical prowess, my good sirs. Have a pleasant day. I think I'll go spike the eggnog.
Sewer Bull
12-25-2006, 04:03 PM
The first thing I thought of when I saw the turtles in CGI was this. (http://www.nickjr.com/shows/franklin/index.jhtml)
Hey back off - Franklin is okay, I like him.
And the games on this site are cool - I've spent the whole evening playing "Franklin's Dancing Game" and most probably I'll go on playing it till the morning starts.
Yay for Boxing Day.
ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael
12-25-2006, 06:33 PM
To get back to the main topic I just wanted to say this.
TmntFan, just because the CGI in this movie isn't of the same quality as Final Fantasy, sure as hell doesn't mean it's gonna fail. In fact, it's one o the reasons I believe it will succeed.
Granted, they could have gone another way and made the humans photorealistic looking, but that would have diminished the imaginative aspect of it. Plus, if they tried to go too realistic with the humans especially, they would have entered the uncanny valley of CGI movies. If you don't know what that is, it's the point where they try to make the humans so realistic, they look downright scary. It happend to Polar Express, it happend to Spirits Within, it happend to Areo-Troopers(which explains why no ones ever heard of that movie), and if it weren't for the great writting and voice acting, it would have doomed Toy Stroy. I'm glad this isn't happening to TMNT. In 2D, the overall look of it dosen't necesarily affect the outcome of the show or movie, I mean look at the Simpsons no human alive looks like they do, at least I hope not. But it's good nonetheless. But with CGI, it can have a major effect. While I enjoyed movies like A Bugs Life, because they were visually appealing, movies like Spirits Within and Areo Troopes were just, hideous. They wen't overboard on trying to make they characters look really realistic, that they ended up looking like a bad 3D internet cartoon. Thats why ,ost CGI movie humans tend to look dollish, it fits the medium. They don't look bland, but at the same time, they don't look creepy. They work, and animate, well in CGI.
Plus, theres another benifit to the look of the movie. With movies like Advent Children, theres this pressure to keep it realistic looking. So much so it takes away from the creative aspect. It looks so real, it leaves nothing to the imagination. And thats one of the main things TMNT is all about. As much as it's about family and action, it's all about imagination. I mean, whats more imaginative than 4 talking turtles who know ninjitsu, or triceratops aliens, or little squishy brain guys, or a guy running around in a hockey mask screaming GOONGALA! It's creators dream. You can do almost anything with these guys, it's all about imagination, and the look of the movie reflects that. When a CGI movie looks like that, you have the freedom to get creative, there are few boundarys.
Theres no problem with the look of the movie, it reflects the tone of the movie, which is what it's supposed to do. It shouldn't do anymore than it already has.
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