What universe is this movie from? [Archive]

Jester

02-22-2007, 08:29 PM

Ok, so I was at work and noticed we had "Mikey's Night Watchman Scrapbook" for sale. Though I didn't buy it, I did thumb through it...and was shocked by this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/Jesterangalo/MovieMikeyandSilverSentry.jpg
Mikey and Silver Sentry? Will he be in the movie?

this also threw me:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/Jesterangalo/RaphandhisShellCycle.jpg
It's Raph and his Cycle, which looks a lot like the one from the show...wiggy.

Sorry for the picture quality...camera phone.

Spawn Guy

02-22-2007, 09:10 PM

Are people still barking up this tree? It dosen’t HAVE to come from any particular continuity. All we need to know is the Shredder is out of the picture. Just sit back and enjoy it as a new version. No desprate need to link it to anything that's come before.

johnnyblaze

02-22-2007, 09:18 PM

its just that in their continuity they also have a Silver Sentry and their Raph also has a bike like 2k3 Raph. The continuities are all seperate, although depending on the continuity they have certain things in common.

Jester

02-22-2007, 09:26 PM

o...k...
I was just wondering. I mean the 1st movie was it's own universe and had elements of the OT in it, I guess the same (yet slightly diffrent) applies to the new movie and the new show.

Roseangelo

02-22-2007, 11:00 PM

It's kinda in its own universe (because we need another one), which combines some elements from the movies and the 2K3 series.

In the book there is a line about Utroms and Triceratons.

Splinter's Iroonna

02-22-2007, 11:13 PM

But they were in the original comic anyway...

All of the different things don't really bother me. I think that it's just enough to *nod* at certain groups without going so totally overboard trying to please everyone that it messes it up.

Roseangelo

02-22-2007, 11:16 PM

But they were in the original comic anyway...

True, but if this is sorta in the movie universe, you can argue that we're not in the comic universe, because TMNT 2 took the Utroms out of the picture.

All of the different things don't really bother me. I think that it's just enough to *nod* at certain groups without going so totally overboard trying to please everyone that it messes it up.

Yeah, I'll agree with that.

ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael

02-23-2007, 12:43 AM

True, but if this is sorta in the movie universe, you can argue that we're not in the comic universe, because TMNT 2 took the Utroms out of the picture.

Not neccesarily, they never explained where EXACTLY the TC/GRI came from, plus remember, Prof. Perry was originally intended to be an Utrom

Roseangelo

02-23-2007, 12:56 AM

Not neccesarily, they never explained where EXACTLY the TC/GRI came from, plus remember, Prof. Perry was originally intended to be an Utrom

Yeah, I know. But I don't personally consider TGRI to be the same as TCRI.

Jester

02-23-2007, 10:14 AM

See that's the big reason why the pictures threw me. This is supposed to be loosely based on the continuity built by the original trilogy (I was gonna just say movies, but you've all seen the picture of the scepter.) It is because of this that I wondered. The 2k3 TMNT series, is a separate continuity, but I'm guessing that Munroe decided to pull from it like the writers and directors of the other 3 movies pulled elements from all the TMNT continuity to build those movies.

Aztec General

02-23-2007, 10:24 AM

From what I understand the film takes place after the first film. For fun the movie will also reference other TMNT universes like the sequels, the comics, and the toons. But according the KM it's the first film that counts the most storyline wise.

Kendamu

02-23-2007, 10:26 AM

It still could be based off of the original trilogy while having Silver Sentry in it. I mean, Leatherhead is in more than one universe... why not him?

Sanjuro

02-23-2007, 11:01 AM

As far as this goes, just think of the entire TMNT universe having a giant orgy. Many 3rd party licensees will be throwing out whatever seems sales worthy in the coming month.

Kendamu

02-23-2007, 12:05 PM

One giant orgy? So it's like Next Mutation except that it doesn't suck like NM did.

Sanjuro

02-23-2007, 12:10 PM

One giant orgy? So it's like Next Mutation except that it doesn't suck like NM did.
Indeed. Venus can sell plenty of tickets with that....."sexy" body of hers. Maxim cover confirmed?

Kendamu

02-23-2007, 12:27 PM

Indeed. Venus can sell plenty of tickets with that....."sexy" body of hers. Maxim cover confirmed?
Only if she's as anorexic as Karai...

ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael

02-23-2007, 02:24 PM

Only if she's as anorexic as Karai...

Don't worry, I'm sure she went down that road after Next Mutation was cancelled, endlessly muttering to herself "Peter Laird doesn't like fat turtles, Peter Laird doesn't like fat turtles".

Raph's Girl

02-24-2007, 07:17 PM

It's just simply another AU. Here's all the AU's for TMNT

Mirage vol 1,2, and 4 as well as Tales of the TMNT vol 1 and 2
Image: Vol 3

1990's Animated series - Which had 2 spin offs: Archie
(which is kinda part of the Marvel universe), and Next Mutation

The newspaper comic had elements of Mirage, Archie, and the 1990's series.

2K3 Series which has 2 spin-offs of sorts: Fast Forward and Dreamwave

Movies 1 -3

Movie 4 is an odd little univers of it's own. It has elements from the previous movies, the Mirage comics, and the 2K3 series.

As for Silver Sentry. Im not sure if he's ever been mentioned in the Mirage comics but the Justice Force is straight out of Volume 1 as is Nobody (he was killed off in Vol 2).

Raptarr was introduced in Volume 4 before he appeared in the 2K3 series. However the Battle Nexus was introduced in Vol 4 after it appeared on the 2K3 series.

Jester

02-24-2007, 07:19 PM

I've always thought NT:TNM was a spin-off of sorts from the mopvie trilogy...

Kendamu

02-24-2007, 11:40 PM

I've always thought NT:TNM was a spin-off of sorts from the mopvie trilogy...
I remember e-mailing the official site about it when it was still on TV and I was told that it was a mixture of the movies and old toon.

gobo

02-25-2007, 06:01 AM

What did TNM share with 2K-13 that wasn't part of the movie-verse? And, verce visa... Was Krang, Cracker Baxter or the Technodrome ever mentioned?

Aztec General

02-25-2007, 08:49 AM

Movies 1 -3

Correction. There's the first film and then there's the sequels. They are really two seperate universes. Just by tone and storyline alone.

Kendamu

02-25-2007, 01:43 PM

Correction. There's the first film and then there's the sequels. They are really two seperate universes. Just by tone and storyline alone.
Wouldn't that mean that the original toon is like... 4 universes or something?

1) The first five episodes
2) Everything before CBS
3) CBS before Red Sky
4) Red Sky

Also, wouldn't that mean the the Archie books are multiple universes based on that logic as well? I'm not sure how many... but I'd say at least 3 based on the small collection I had.

I'd love for TMNT 2 and 3 to be part of some seperate universe just because TMNT 1 kicks so much ass that it could easily be a standalone movie. Of course, I think the same things about the old and new Star Wars movies and the Matrix trilogy. It's all wishful thinking.

Aztec General

02-25-2007, 02:16 PM

Wouldn't that mean that the original toon is like... 4 universes or something?

1) The first five episodes
2) Everything before CBS
3) CBS before Red Sky
4) Red Sky

Also, wouldn't that mean the the Archie books are multiple universes based on that logic as well? I'm not sure how many... but I'd say at least 3 based on the small collection I had.

I'd love for TMNT 2 and 3 to be part of some seperate universe just because TMNT 1 kicks so much ass that it could easily be a standalone movie. Of course, I think the same things about the old and new Star Wars movies and the Matrix trilogy. It's all wishful thinking.

I knew someone was going to bring up the old cartoon series (I was actually going to pre-emptively argue it but decided not to). For the record to a certain extent I do feel that they are seperate universes. Particularly the Red Sky episodes.

Many feel, and it was even listed here, that Fast Forward as a spin-off to 2K3 (and I agree it is). If Fast Forward is a spin-off than surely Red Sky is as well? Claiming those two garbage film sequels were in the same universe as the first one is offensive to the comic film majesty that is the first film.

IMHO the first film is a TMNT universe of its own, waiting for a true sequel to add to it. That's my hope for the upcoming film. Provide a quality sequel to a quality original film and erase the stupidity that was the second two films from the official continuity.

Kendamu

02-25-2007, 02:19 PM

I did? I don't remember doing that. Can you point out the post where I pointed out FF as a seperate universe? Spinoff? I can agree with that. But spinoffs can take place in the same universe.

I just think you have a weird view that can overcomplicate something that can be complicated without any help.

Aztec General

02-25-2007, 05:13 PM

1) I did? I don't remember doing that. Can you point out the post where I pointed out FF as a seperate universe? Spinoff? I can agree with that. But spinoffs can take place in the same universe.

2) I just think you have a weird view that can overcomplicate something that can be complicated without any help.

1) I realized after typing that it wasn't YOU I was originally responding to. I have since corrected it.

2) No doubt, lol. That's my MO I suppose.

sdp

02-25-2007, 08:30 PM

I made a thread about TMNT universes here:

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=17478

TNM was promoted as being a sequel to the cartoon but the show was not part of that continuity. if anything it seemed to take place in the Movie universe.

as far as the new movie, I always wanted it to take place on the movie universe, and thought the picture that references old movies was a confirmation, but now i don't beleive so, after learning so much from the new movie it just makes NO sense for it to take place on the movie universe, its too different, not because its CGI or the turtles look different, heck the turtles look different on all 3 movies but they just don't seem to be in the same universe. the shredder helmet means nothing as shredder has been in all universes, so obviously this one did too, the time scepter could mean that these turtles also had a time scepter adventure, its not the first time two universes share something, archie shared krang. Its defenatly not in the 2k3 universe, is just a new universe.

Archie is an AU, not really a spin-off, a spin off is using a character from one universe on a different storyline, and archie is not on the Marvel universe.

The newspaper comic was mostly influenced by the old toon, nothing else.

2K3 has no spin offs, fast forward is a continuation, not a 'spin off' just because people don't like it doesn't make it one. Dreamwave was clearly the same universe, it mostly only told the same stories only a different point of view.

Movies 1 -3 are obviously all in the same universe.

I don't think Silver Sentry has ever been on Mirage but i'm sure he'd be considered part of the Justice Force now, since many elements of 2k3 have made it into mirage, so we can easily assume SS is now a character on various universes like say Casey

Jester

02-25-2007, 08:38 PM

Archie is not on the Marvel universe.

True, I think the thing that confused it is this.

The Punisher met Archie in a one-shot comic book. The Turtles did the same, so it is a pseudo-link between Archie's TMNT and the Marvel Universe.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/d6/220px-ArchiePunisher.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/Jesterangalo/archiecover.jpg

sdp

02-28-2008, 05:49 PM

Didn't know if I should have bumped this or made a new thread..

Anyway now that the movie has been out for nearly a year what are your thoughts?

Like I mentioned in this thread last year at first I wanted this movie to take place in the movie continuity, I guess mostly since it was also a movie. But the more I saw of the movie I realized there was no reason to shoehorn this movie with the past three. Especially after watched the movie it only made more sense for this to not take place in the movie continuity.

Scandia

02-28-2008, 06:16 PM

ToTheNines

02-28-2008, 06:59 PM

I do not see why it should not take place in the movie continuity. There is no reason why it should not follow the third movie. And there is nothing preventing the Silver Sentry or the Utroms from being in that universe as well.

Well, there's the fact that they've never appereared in that universe...

Anyways, it's really up to the individual, you could believe this film to be in continuity with the movies or not, no biggy.

Myself, I put it in it's own universe: The first film OBVIOUSLY take place in the late 1980's, while this new film takes place in modern day (it even says so when it cuts to Central America for the first time) you could argue that the turtles have aged 17 years since the first film... but they really haven't. Then there's the whole new look, and new actors and so on and so on.

Mr._Mutant_Man

02-28-2008, 07:04 PM

True, I think the thing that confused it is this.

The Punisher met Archie in a one-shot comic book. The Turtles did the same, so it is a pseudo-link between Archie's TMNT and the Marvel Universe.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/d6/220px-ArchiePunisher.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/Jesterangalo/archiecover.jpg

There is a link between Mirage TMNT and Marvel, depending on how you interpret the reference to Daredevil's origin within the origin of the TMNT.

Does that mean that through Archie's interaction with both Marvel and Archie TMNT, you could then link Mirage and Archie TMNT together through Archie and Marvel?:lol:

Casual Matt

03-03-2008, 03:29 PM

I'd call TMNT a loose sequel.

It's like Superman Returns, which could follow Superman II (although ignoring III and IV), but doesn't really have to. TMNT could follow Turtles III, but it isn't required to make sense.

They both have loose connections to the predecessors both in story and through references. Turtles has the Shredder defeated already and little things like the septer from Turtles 3 and the TGRI canister lying about. Superman has Lex Luthor defeated once already and things like the Marlon Brando Jor-El message and a comment about how Lex acted like he was in the Fortress of Solitude before (which he was in Superman II).

Anyway, I guess my point is that movies like this are made for a very good reason. Many people are familiar with the characters, but not all of them have seen the older movies since they've been around for a while. So we get these loose sequels that anybody who's a fan of the characters can watch and enjoy.

Personally, having seen the old movies, I do like to consider TMNT to essentially be Turles 4, and I eagarly await to see if we get a Turtles 5.

Mr._Mutant_Man

03-03-2008, 05:39 PM

I think "loose sequels" are the best way to go sometimes. TMNT (1990) was a good blend of the comics and cartoon, and I don't think there was any need to do what would basically be a remake.

Revan

03-03-2008, 06:36 PM

It's basically it's own universe and a loose sequel at the same time if that makes any sense.

Read this (http://animated-views.com/2007/director-kevin-munroe-on-tmnt/). It might help. There is question about halfway down where animated views asks about continuity.

How does your film fit into the Turtles universe? For instance, is it more of a continuation to the first three films or the latest TV series?

You know, it’s funny. There’s so much you can do. There’s so much in the Turtles’ past, as far as adventures and stuff. So when we first started, we were trying to find what we were going to say – what was going to be lore and what wasn’t, for the movie. At the end of the day, we just realized, ‘Let’s just make the whole thing lore.’

Basically, they’ve lived all these adventures, and they’ve defeated all these villains. Now, they find themselves without direction, because they don’t have a common enemy to fight anymore. The movie became more about a rebirth of the heroes, instead of an origin story.

http://animated-views.com/2007/director-kevin-munroe-on-tmnt/

Coola Yagami

03-03-2008, 08:04 PM

True but the 'let's make the whole thing lore' doesn't make sense at all. That means the Turtles not only handled the Shredder and the Triceraton invasion and whatnot, but they've also handled Bishop, Baxter, Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang and the Technodrome, Maligna, Null, met the Might Mutinamals and defeated Lord Dregg and the Dragon Lord before the TMNT took place.

Mr._Mutant_Man

03-03-2008, 08:09 PM

Ninjinister

03-03-2008, 09:35 PM

Isn't some of that covered in the prequel comics? Not the Archie stuff of course, but don't they run into a few different things in the prequel comics?

Aye. They encounter Triceratons in Raph's story, and Leo meets The Tribunal and Ancient One.

Also, look at the GBA game based on the movie. It features Hun as a boss, and makes references to Bishop, Stockman, and Lord Simultaneous.

Coola Yagami

03-03-2008, 11:09 PM

Ninjinister

03-03-2008, 11:11 PM

I saw Hun as a boss... and of course... Shredder was shown as a cardboard cut-out in a bonus game, based on the 2K3 design... as well as being a boss in the PS2/XBOX/Wii versions of the game...

But where were the references to Bishop, Stockman and Lord Simultaneous??

In the descriptions of some of the items you collect. Hun's Bazooka indicated that he stole it from Bishop, and you could also get a Mouser (I think) and the Time Scepter.

Drtooth

03-04-2008, 03:17 PM

I saw Hun as a boss... and of course... Shredder was shown as a cardboard cut-out in a bonus game, based on the 2K3 design... as well as being a boss in the PS2/XBOX/Wii versions of the game...

Which begs the question- which universe was the Genisis game "Hyperstone Hiest", as Tatsu from the TMNT movies and Leatherhead and Rocksteady from the cartoon co-exist? Turtles in Time is on a technicality, since they worked Rahzar and Tokka into an episode.

Coola Yagami

03-06-2008, 07:56 AM

The same could be said for Turtles in Time and such. Turtles in Time still had Slash look more like his original action figure design than the stupid cartoon design. Tokka and Rahzar acted more like the movie versions... Super Shredder was never in the show, nor did Krang ever had a spaceship or Rat King ever use a Footski...

TMNT The Arcade Game... no Tora and Shogun in the cartoon...

TMNT 3 Manhattan Project- Slash, Groundchuck and Dirtbag were shown herw waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before they were ever featured on the cartoon... and again, Super Shredder wasn't in the cartoon.

TMNT 1 for the NES... uh....... nuff said...