The NEW TMNT INTRO Trailer!(& why they must dig AKIRA!)

[beaker]

Well folks, not sure if this has been mentioned, but I uncovered THE REAL new TMNT cartoon intro trailer! Forget that OLD trailer shown on the ninjaturtles.com site(http://www.ninjaturtles.com/mpg/intro4.mov)

THIS is the cool new one:

http://foxbox.tv/movies/tmntopen.mov

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am left in awe. This new intro blows that old one away...never did I ever think I would see an envelope pushing kick butt anime TMNT on tv. Yeah, I SAID ANIME!

About 15 seconds into this new trailer, there is a 100% DEFINATE HOMAGE
to a classic scene from the great anime film Akira(Kanreda on his bike), where Raph is sliding his motor bike in a frenetic action scene.

Dont believe me?
http://www.bbakira.co.uk/wallpaper/bikewp1tum.jpg
I dont know how to capture an image from the mpeg, but I guarantee its the exact same scene they are homaging.

I also noticed a few other slight anime film influenced scenes.
All in all, Im considering this an anime. It has the look and feel of a kick butt anime. Anime no longer means it has to come from Japan...I would hardly call Pokemon or Yu gi Oh real anime. Shows like Aeon Flux have shown what Ameican anime can look like...and this new shows proves it.

So for folks that dont dig anime, sorry! This new TMNT will show that other 'kiddy anime' garbage on fox Box will show how its really done!

All I gotta say is...I cant wait til February 8th!!!*well, that and its my bday;)

*On a side note, I truly think the new theme song is pathetic...after hearing the old cartoon theme on the arcade TMNT rom, I forgot how cool that one was...a new maybe techno/industrialish version of that would have been so much cooler than this crappy dated sounding theme song.

[Karpo_007]

So this is the full intro, not the 30 seconds one? Is it better quality than the one on NT network?

[Karpo_007]

Ok just watched it, It is the full intro, but NT network had it in much better quality.

[Raph]

Yeah I already knew it, the FOXBOX version is sooo small

[Karpo_007]

Yeah. Well two weeks to go....

[Reznorite420]

So for folks that dont dig anime, sorry! This new TMNT will show that other 'kiddy anime' garbage on fox Box will show how its really done!How DARE you even think of comparing this show to the "anime" style!

Allow me to interrupt. When I say I don't dig "anime", I mean I don't dig the misproportioned and over exaggerated body parts that can be seen in such shows as Gundam Wing, Inyawhateveritscalled, and (dare I say it?) hentai, not to mention the rather stiff movements of all the characters and mouth movements are nothing but "open-close-open-close" ct different speeds ompletely out of sync with the dialogue, even when it's done without the dubbing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I hate Japanese animation PERIOD. It can be animated by the Japanese and NOT be the horrific machination I mentioned above. In other words, just because it's animated in Japan does NOT mean it's "anime". The first season of the original TMNT and this news series are perfect examples of what I mean.*On a side note, I truly think the new theme song is pathetic...You think THAT one is bad? Try listening to the original idea for the theme song! It sounds like the friggin' BEACH BOYS did it!

BTW, why must you say that this new song is "dated" when:

1) The original song is the one that's dated

2) You call yourself an 80s enthusiast, so shouldn't you think LIKE it when something sounds "dated"?

As for them "digging Akira", who says they do? Maybe it's just a coincidence that Raph's motorcyle entrance happens to look like Akira's. I've seen a lot of scenes like this in other cartoons.

Not to make an enemy out of you, but I swear, you're very confusing and contradicting at times...

[Karpo_007]

You are wrong, word "anime" means any animation done by japanese. And yes japanese animation has had a great infulence over the western animation. But In west the characters are more realistic looking etc.

[Donatello]

i don't think the new toon really looks like anime. i thinks it's more reminisque of batman or he-man

[Karpo_007]

No it looks like current western animation wich has been greatly influenced by anime. Take the new He-man for example. Like I said the main diffrence is that the western animation is more realistic looking.

[Raphael-sama]

And not done half as well, either, with torrid voice actors that rarely fit the bill. (dubbed anime fits this description big time. The Japanese have auditions and voice cast selection down to an art, let me tell ya.)

[Kid Icarus]

NOTE: This post isn't to bash anyone, just to defend anime style animation.

Like I said the main diffrence is that the western animation is more realistic looking.

Then you haven't been watching the right kind of anime. Incase you don't know, anime is Japan is just as broad as movies in the U.S.

Try Vampire Hunter D, Akira, and Princess Mononoke if you want more relistic anime.

Besides, you're all talking about how a group of 4 mutant turtles look relistic... when they don't (and yes, I have read the Mirage comics).

So don't slam a whole style of animation thats not made to appeal to people in the U.S. If you don't like it, move along and let other people make up their own minds.[/quote]

[Karpo_007]

You talk like I have bashed anime... You should really read the whole post. Yes in western animation there are no big eyes and small mouths like in anime. That's why I said it is more realistick looking. And I have seen Akira many times, probably more than you have(My frined has the special edition DVD) So I know what good anime is like. Still Western anime looks more realistick.

[heretic888]

special note: 'realistic' doesn't necessarily mean 'better', especially in the entertainment arts....

[Nturtle]

Oy vey, another anime argument!!! :roll:
And Reznorite, just chill!! This isn't a life or death matter its just a discussion about cartooning styles.

Well I can't say I like anime shows like Pokemon, Digimon etc... I do however love Dragonball, and some of DBZ. same with G Gundam.
I like many of the stylized attributes of Anime, although I'm not crazy about the giant shiney eyes and such. But the action is often incredible but I don't like how they repeat motions a lot like in DBZ :P
But as for what Beaker said, that deffinitely looks like a homage to Akira and is even more possible since the company that is animating it is a Korean company. So of course this show will have anime like attributes, anime syle has crept into the US since the 1980s, the old show used plenty of anime techniques too.

[Karpo_007]

Well Like said many times before, The first season was animated by japanese. And it still remains as the best season of the cartoon.

[Stone Ill]

Well Like said many times before, The first season was animated by japanese. And it still remains as the best season of the cartoon.

Of course, that's just your oppinion.

[Karpo_007]

Pretty much a general opinion.

[Sparvid]

As for them "digging Akira", who says they do? Maybe it's just a coincidence that Raph's motorcyle entrance happens to look like Akira's. I've seen a lot of scenes like this in other cartoons.Of course I can't say this as a fact, but I believe that many many people who are interested in animated movies (which animators probably are) has seen Akira...

[Kid Icarus]

Karpo_007, my post wasn't directed towards you exclusivley, but people on this thread who have slammed anime.[/quote]

[Karpo_007]

Ok, I don't have anything against anime, I like it, but mostly as anime Movies. Wwll I have watched NG: Evangelion, and it was good.

[beaker]

Well Like said many times before, The first season was animated by japanese. And it still remains as the best season of the cartoon.

I agree 100%!

You are wrong, word "anime" means any animation done by japanese. And yes japanese animation has had a great infulence over the western animation. But In west the characters are more realistic looking etc.

Yeah its silly...all the people who claim they dont like anime I bet like at least some cartoon that has anime influences, be it post Tarzan Disney, Batman Beyond, etc. Just doesnt make sense. There is no denying anime thankfully has influenced most of western animation.

How DARE you even think of comparing this show to the "anime" style!

Allow me to interrupt. When I say I don't dig "anime", I mean I don't dig the misproportioned and over exaggerated body parts that can be seen in such shows as Gundam Wing, Inyawhateveritscalled, and (dare I say it?) hentai, not to mention the rather stiff movements of all the characters and mouth movements are nothing but "open-close-open-close" ct different speeds ompletely out of sync with the dialogue, even when it's done without the dubbing.

1) The original song is the one that's dated

2) You call yourself an 80s enthusiast, so shouldn't you think LIKE it when something sounds "dated"?

As for them "digging Akira", who says they do? Maybe it's just a coincidence that Raph's motorcyle entrance happens to look like Akira's. I've seen a lot of scenes like this in other cartoons.

Not to make an enemy out of you, but I swear, you're very confusing and contradicting at times...

So then you dont like the crappy big eyed badly animated anime, just as I dont like it. So does that mean you dig the super detailed realitc multi million dollar stuff like Akira, Ghost in the Shell or Blood the Last Vampire?

And oh yeah...gee, thats just a coincidence about that Akira homage. :rollseyes: Whatever ya say man! Seriosuly, even folks who dont like anime will agree that is a direct homage to Akira <--- the best damn anime film ever.(or one of em) Have you seen Akira or GOOD anime? Id be dissing anime to if all I saw was what was on the kiddy tv programming blocks.

And Im not contradictory. There was some mighty lame thigns int he 80's, the style of the new intro theme song being one of em. That old cartoon theme song I must say, is pretty damn cool...light years cooler than this new intro.
And sorry to say, TMNT is a good example of very anime influenced, but the cool kind...not the lame usual Fox Box or WB garbage.

FINALLY....can someone get a screen cap of the Akira homage in question to once and for all show a comparison of the Akira scene, and prove Akira and anime in general has provided lots of inspiration for these artists?

[Prowl]

I thought of Akira when I saw that shot. And if they are fans I would imagine they might sneak a few things in there. I did that with Star Wars at work (A certain formation that the ships were flying in that I imitated from Return of the Jedi)

[That Matt Guy]

How many more "TMNT is anime inspired/Anime sucks" threads do we need? Damn.

[beaker]

I thought of Akira when I saw that shot. And if they are fans I would imagine they might sneak a few things in there.

Let's hope so! That would be way cool! Already from that cool new full intro I am very impressed.

[Prowl]

"How many more "TMNT is anime inspired/Anime sucks" threads do we need? Damn. "


As many as needed!!!! MUAAHUHAHAUUHAAUH :)

I want some Hellsing inspired scenes ;)

[Shredder]

I just wanted to jump in here because I am a big anime fan. I don't think that TMNT (of any form) is anime itself, but I agree that it's possible the animators/comic writers were influenced by anime style. (Cheap plug: visit Krang's and my new site for a great anime show called Big O at www.paradigm-city.com . Take a look in the "Images" section to see that anime can be very realistic-looking- check out the backgrounds in particular.) :)

You think THAT one is bad? Try listening to the original idea for the theme song! It sounds like the friggin' BEACH BOYS did it!

Sorry, I had to address this comment. Even though I'm in my early twenties, I am a big fan of classic rock, including the Beach Boys. I listened again to the original version of the song, http://www.ninjaturtlesnetwork.com/Misc/NewTheme.mp3, which I personally found corny ("a whole new shell game?" "Ninja kick-butt action?"). Give the Beach Boys another listen, there's so much more to them than any stereotype. Here's a link to "Good Vibrations," check out how complex it is: http://users2.ev1.net/~bigrynz/Good%20Vibrations.mp3

[Nturtle]

Wow I like your new site Shred dude!! :D I've seen clips of that show in the Toonami music videos :P But I can't say I've really seen it.
Both new theme songs are preety damn corny, but I don't think it is "Beach Boysish"

[lhb412]

Big-O is an awesome show! I can't wait for the new season, and I wonder how they'll explain the "event".

[CanadianFett]

Uh, right.
I'm sorry to anyone who thinks that Raph's bike slide is a coincidence, because it may as well be Akira.
They've got the tire tracks, and even the electricity.

To anyone who's an anime fan (which for some odd reason isn't everyone??) check out Cowboy Bebop. The name is odd, but the show kicks ass.

[Stone Ill]

Uh, right.
I'm sorry to anyone who thinks that Raph's bike slide is a coincidence, because it may as well be Akira.
They've got the tire tracks, and even the electricity.

To anyone who's an anime fan (which for some odd reason isn't everyone??) check out Cowboy Bebop. The name is odd, but the show kicks ass.

No, I'm not an anime fan, because of it's cheap animation.

[Prowl]

Cheap animation? What have you been watching? Aside from Disney, I can think of very little american animation that equals the quality and and attention to detail that japanese animation contains. And I agree Cowboy Bebop is some damn fine animation and content.

[beaker]

Uh, right.
I'm sorry to anyone who thinks that Raph's bike slide is a coincidence, because it may as well be Akira.
They've got the tire tracks, and even the electricity.

To anyone who's an anime fan (which for some odd reason isn't everyone??) check out Cowboy Bebop. The name is odd, but the show kicks ass.

LOL! I know...you can tell the animators and artists are BIG anime fans. Oops, sucks for people who dont like anime...wonder what they'll be watching instead Feb 8th?

Yeah, sadly theres those on here that not only dont like anime(which is fine) but then try to reason 'because the animaiton sucks and is cheap'...even though its obvious *why* they think that. If all I saw was the Pokemon/Card capture bull**** on tv I'd think it sucks to. But I wouldnt be so blind as to say 'Oh, well, um...anime sucks cuz whats on tv, but Im too ignorant to acknowlege theres a wealth of anime out there that has kick butt animation'. The silly thing is, anime if anything, when done right has the most detailed and anything but cheap animation. Its just funny, as anyone who has seen Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Blood th elast vampire, Vampire Hunter D, etc would just have to laugh at such comments. But hey, let em think anime sucks...whatever.

Yeah Cowboy Bebop rocks! Have you seen the film yet? Blows even the tv series animationa way! Wow.

So yes, for folks who hate anime, I can reccomend some other cartoons on Feb 8th youll probably need to be watchign instead of TMNT;)

[Psycrow]

The only things I don't like about Anime are:

1) The people's faces and expressions. They just aren't realistic.

2) The fire/weird streaming background when something happens, such as a person is flying through the air, winding up for a punch, and the background scrolls extremely fast.

3) Characters always seem to be ridiculously overpowered.

But that's all I don't like about them. The colors and some of the art is amazing though.

[Prowl]

Yeah, definitely watch CB then. I have yet to see the movie, though. I'm such a bastard.

[beaker]

Yeah the anime crap I cant stand is that poorly framed stuff(DBZ, Fist of the north star, etc), kiddy garbage(any pocket monster or card capturing one, or anything minus the TMNT on Fox Box, WB, etc) Im not a fan of a lot of anime, despite being such a huge fan. There is a ton of garbage out there...lots of 'eyes so big you could fit a car in em', the speed line action giant tear forming, 'camera stays still on one image to cut back on costs'...yes, a lot of crap. BUT...

When you see a really visionary, astonishing, and brilliant anime(Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Neon Genesis Evangelion: End of Evangelion movie, Perfect Blue, Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Blood, etc) you realize any comments about 'all anime sucks' is just plain ignorant.

[Kali]

*tosses her two cents on the table*

Okay, let's try another approach. So you don't like anime, what do you like? Let's say comic books. Now, there are lots and lots of different types of comic books out there. Say someone went to the grocery store and picked up one of the Archie/kiddy comics they have in their book section. Let's say the new Justice League comic based on the new cartoon. They look it over, scowl, put it back, and begin to preach how all comic books are superhero filled, low art quality, mass produced filth. (No offense to anyone who reads that comic, it's just an example.)

Well, what would you think of that? Most everyone here knows that there are books out there which blow those grocery store weeklies out of the water. A top notch writer, penciler, inker, colorist, editor, etc. team can produce a book that'll keep you as intrigued and interested and impressed as a written novel. We know this. Repeat after me: Stereotypes are bad. Whether they apply to people, animals, animation, or comics. They are limiting. They are mind closing.

Have a nice day.

[DarthRaphael]

*tosses her two cents on the table*

Okay, let's try another approach. So you don't like anime, what do you like? Let's say comic books. Now, there are lots and lots of different types of comic books out there. Say someone went to the grocery store and picked up one of the Archie/kiddy comics they have in their book section. Let's say the new Justice League comic based on the new cartoon. They look it over, scowl, put it back, and begin to preach how all comic books are superhero filled, low art quality, mass produced filth. (No offense to anyone who reads that comic, it's just an example.)

Well, what would you think of that? Most everyone here knows that there are books out there which blow those grocery store weeklies out of the water. A top notch writer, penciler, inker, colorist, editor, etc. team can produce a book that'll keep you as intrigued and interested and impressed as a written novel. We know this. Repeat after me: Stereotypes are bad. Whether they apply to people, animals, animation, or comics. They are limiting. They are mind closing.

Have a nice day.


I'll toss in 3 more cents to make that thought worth a nickel. :tthumbsu:

[HorseTechie]

Yah... what eats me up more than anything, is when people start judging something with such harshness and certainty... and the thing we are judging hasn't even been seen in it's full holy-moly glory! Sure, we've seen like a couple 30 second clips, and some sketches, but I really don't think it deserves any of this harsh criticsm yet. That's like saying you hate seafood (cause it smells funky), when you haven't even eaten it!

But anywayz... back to the trailer. That was funny.. I loved how Raph skidded out on that bike, but it didn't even occur to me that was like Akira. The likeness was still very cool, esp since I think Akira was an excellent anime production. :D

[Prowl]

Well met, Kali

[beaker]

Yah... what eats me up more than anything, is when people start judging something with such harshness and certainty... and the thing we are judging hasn't even been seen in it's full holy-moly glory! Sure, we've seen like a couple 30 second clips, and some sketches, but I really don't think it deserves any of this harsh criticsm yet. That's like saying you hate seafood (cause it smells funky), when you haven't even eaten it!

But anywayz... back to the trailer. That was funny.. I loved how Raph skidded out on that bike, but it didn't even occur to me that was like Akira. The likeness was still very cool, esp since I think Akira was an excellent anime production. :D

Oh totally...the bike scene alone...heck the whole new TMNT intro just blows me away...american anime at its finest.

Yeah to judge a whole huge genre like anime is just ignorant. Thats like saying all video games or all comics suck because you dont like a particulair genre within that media.

[tekcop]

I feel like adressing some things.

Akira-like scenes Well, Akira is pretty much considered required viewing for animators. So stuff like this happens all the time. Check out Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker.

New TMNT anime influence I don't see it, much. There's the action lines in the background, but that's all I see. I do see an obvious Bruce Timm influence, however (that much has been agreed apon).

Japanese animation vs. American animation Japan has/had Osama Tezuka, Hayao Miyazaki, and Katsuhiro Otomo while America has Walt Disney, Chuck Jones, and Max Fleisher (I know I misspelled that.) I think it's a tie.

[Prowl]

Glad you mentioned Chuck. one thing I like about quality Anime is the attention to subtle details. And I see that in Chuck's stuff, depite its age.

Speaking of Disney, I just heard a great (pretty reliable) rumor that a Kingdom Hearts movie was in the making. Definitely looking forward to that.

[PanMan]

from what i have seen (foxbox crap and others like it ie DBZ), anime sucks.

the animation i like is like the '95 spider-man (except i hated the faces) and others like that (the original turtles was good too)

i'm sure i'll like this new show too

[beaker]

from what i have seen (foxbox crap and others like it ie DBZ), anime sucks.


Ack, if all I had seen 'anime' wise was that garbage, I'd say it sucks too! Im hoping anyone that is clouded by this kiddy pocket monster card garbage on tv goes and seeks out the real cool anime. Otherwise, judging from Teamo Supremo, Power Puff, avengers, etc you could say cartoons suck period.

[Sparvid]

Or, if somebody only watches Next Mutation, and decides that everything involving TMNT sucks... ;)

[Stone Ill]

from what i have seen (foxbox crap and others like it ie DBZ), anime sucks.

the animation i like is like the '95 spider-man (except i hated the faces) and others like that (the original turtles was good too)

i'm sure i'll like this new show too

The only anime I've seen was Gundamn Wing, Dragon Ball/Z/GT, Pokemon, Digimon, Yu-gi-oh, Fighting Food-Ons, Card Captors, Monster Rancher (???) and something else I forogt, the animation is pretty cheap. They look so stiff and they don't have very fluid animation. And I'm not saying North American animation is better, Anime just looks like crap..Well, the robots are pretty good..I've heard good things about Cowboy Beebop, so I have yet to see that. Now I don't want anyone getting all uptight about this, ie. Prowl.

[DarthRaphael]

from what i have seen (foxbox crap and others like it ie DBZ), anime sucks.

the animation i like is like the '95 spider-man (except i hated the faces) and others like that (the original turtles was good too)

i'm sure i'll like this new show too

The only anime I've seen was Gundamn Wing, Dragon Ball/Z/GT, Pokemon, Digimon, Yu-gi-oh, Fighting Food-Ons, Card Captors, Monster Rancher (???) and something else I forogt, the animation is pretty cheap. They look so stiff and they don't have very fluid animation. And I'm not saying North American animation is better, Anime just looks like crap..Well, the robots are pretty good..I've heard good things about Cowboy Beebop, so I have yet to see that. Now I don't want anyone getting all uptight about this, ie. Prowl.

Those are all bad examples of what is passed off as anime in the US.
Cowboy Beebop is a good example of quality animation. You should watch it.

[Stone Ill]

All those animes suck? Suck..I've never got a chance to see Cowboy Beebop, and I don't think I ever will..I've lost all respect to Anime..I don't like it.

[Karpo_007]

That is same if someone would say "I have lost all respect to movies"

[beaker]

All those animes suck? Suck..I've never got a chance to see Cowboy Beebop, and I don't think I ever will..I've lost all respect to Anime..I don't like it.

Yeah I hear ya...after seeing Tomb Raider and Star Trek Nemesis Ive lost all respect for movies...and after seeing Stargate animated on Fox Box Ive lost all respect for American cartoons^_^ ...sheesh...

As Yoda would say, "Clouded by crappy kiddy anime, folks have".

[Stone Ill]

You guys don't get the point. I'm not into Anime, I never was, and never will be..Sheesh, yer taking it too far.

[Karpo_007]

There are as many diffrent styles of anime as there are in movies. So the examples are good.

[Prowl]

Nah, not taking it too far. I'm not even responding to you. I, for one am responding to Beaker, because he keeps mentioning anime that I like. I don't think the guys are going on in this thread to convice you. I think they are making valid points about how people make judgements over a type of medium based on misrepresentive instances, and don't realize that those same instances exist in every medium. People just choose to see what they want to see.

[Stone Ill]

God dammit..You're still doing it..I've seen other Anime, and none of the stories catch my attention..It's not just the anime I've listed why I'm making this judgement, it's just my opinion. So, just get back on the subject..About..TMNT taking homage to Akira.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah that scene is pretty close to one in Akira.

[Prowl]

talk about overreacting. You must take these statements personally if it gets to you that much. Like I said, wasn't talking to you. And yes, it does look like Akira, and no, this is not the first thread in history that has started talking about one thing and ended with another, sometimes releated, sometimes not, topic. Sheesh.

[beaker]

...at any rate, there will be a myriad of cool reasons to watch the new TMNT thing...watching out for little nods and winks to great anime films will just be one of the cool things about it;)

[That Matt Guy]

Lets just say there are people who like anime, and people who don't. Lets not try to convince each other to be one or the other.

[Ninja Tiptup]

The original comic seems highly influenced by Japanese Manga, but that's just because both forms of comics influence eachother all the time.

On a different note. I wonder how many kids who watch the FOX BOX actually know what the heck a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle is. Some might even think that it's a new anime brought over to the US. Which is a horrid thought!

[beaker]

Lets just say there are people who like anime, and people who don't. Lets not try to convince each other to be one or the other.

Well, we can agree on one thing...an even goofier anime version of the already goofy original cartoon sucks(the Japanese mid 90's TMNT anime episodes online) eeek!

This is precisely why folks dont like anime, its this style of crappy kiddy stuff...look what it did to the TF franchise(robots in disguise!) Ack >_<

[Psycrow]

I find Transformers Armada to be the worst because of the Anime influnce in it. It's exactly like Pokemon for heaven's sakes!

And those annoying kids don't help it out much...

[beaker]

I find Transformers Armada to be the worst because of the Anime influnce in it. It's exactly like Pokemon for heaven's sakes!

And those annoying kids don't help it out much...

Man, and I was hoping TF Armada was way cooler than RiD(as I dont have cable) Poo.

Man, no wonder when I originally brought up a couple months ago that I hoped the new toon would be heavily anime influenced I got flamed...luckily I was right in that it is influenced by the kickass anime, not the kiddy crap. ^_^

[Psycrow]

Man, no wonder when I originally brought up a couple months ago that I hoped the new toon would be heavily anime influenced I got flamed...luckily I was right in that it is influenced by the kickass anime, not the kiddy crap. ^_^

Are you trying to say that "Turtlemon" or "Turti-oh" would be a bad cartoon?

Haha :lol:

[Karpo_007]

The whole TMNT phenomenon in late 80's early 90's was like Pokemon today. TMNT will never be that popular again, and that is entirely a good thing. If it would become that popular again, parents might start to complain, and the TMNT would change into goofy slapstick like it did before...

[Stone Ill]

It'll probably be more popular with the Generations who actually know who they are..As someone said before, some kids with think it's an entirely new concept all-together.

[Karpo_007]

True, but too much popularity is a bad thing. Just look how the cartoon changed, or the second and third movie.

[beaker]

The whole TMNT phenomenon in late 80's early 90's was like Pokemon today. TMNT will never be that popular again, and that is entirely a good thing. If it would become that popular again, parents might start to complain, and the TMNT would change into goofy slapstick like it did before...

Too true...every era has its 'Pokemon'...TMNT was the early 90's with Barney and then Power Rangers. Then came Telletubbies, and Pokemon, now Yu Gi Oh. Sadly Dragon Ball Z has become ultra mainstream kiddified.

This revival, like the TF revival is strictly for the folks who remember the last go round. Last thing we need is a mainstream kiddifying era like 1990...just look what happened to the franchise after that!(TMNT 2 and 3...need I say more?)

Folks who want a return to that madness, remember what happened to the franchise after the late 80's!

[Eye of Sarnath]

Naw, it's too good to go that way, especially considering Laird prolly has to approve most of the stuff. If he doesn't like it, he'll say so.

[Karpo_007]

Yeah I hope the series doesn't get syndicated.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Ok i saw the new intro. I like it, the song is catchy its really good I love the part where it goes "I love being... i love being..i love being... a turtle" That part is really cool.

However i love the old intro much more. The new song will lose when it competes against my wonderful childhood memories. I don't think anything can beat that old song and the intro.

[Psycrow]

The whole TMNT phenomenon in late 80's early 90's was like Pokemon today. TMNT will never be that popular again, and that is entirely a good thing. If it would become that popular again, parents might start to complain, and the TMNT would change into goofy slapstick like it did before...

Hm... I think it would be a good thing if Turtlemania swept the globe once again, but that's just me. :D

[Karpo_007]

No it wouldn't if it would cause the same thing it did before.

[Psycrow]

No it wouldn't if it would cause the same thing it did before.

I wouldn't say that what it caused before was a bad thing. Increased fandom and increased revenue made more turtle sponsored events. Looking back on it now, you can easily pick out the things that were wrong with the series, but at the time, turtlemania was the way to go.

[beaker]

1) A return to the overkiddified mainstreamism that happened in 1990 wont happen...and thank goodness. This time its for the fans that had always stuck with it.

2) That new intro is just appauling...the original TMNT cartoon intro, to this day ownz. YEah, Ive said crap about the cartoon...(mostly about later seasons) but damn if that old intro wasnt the shiot.

[Karpo_007]

The intro of old cartoon is very good. After all, it was made for the first season, and it definetly the best of them.

[Eye of Sarnath]

Yes, I agree, the original intro was good for the most part. I think I like the new intro better, the theme song by itself, isn't too great, but with animation, it works just fine.

[Mondo_Gecko]

The Original Intro was just incredible mesmerizing.. amazing. Nothing Got me more excited when that song would start and the pictures would fly across the screen.

[Karpo_007]

Too bad that after season 1 the show wasn't what the intro promised. Same thing with Intro 2.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Well I thought TMNT did just what it should have. I stopped watching when Dregg and the Red Sky startted happening.

[Karpo_007]

Thats when the show got some action back, but it they weren't nearly as good as the first season.

[Eye of Sarnath]

I liked the first couple of the Red Sky episodes. Shredder, Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady seemed more dangerous, like they were an actual threat to the Turtles. Unlike previous seasons. And the episodes before the Red Sky seasons are a little darker in tone too, I think.

[Karpo_007]

Yes I have only recently started season 10[I have to hurry before staurday :D] But I can still say season 8 is definetly the best of redsky. And the best after season 1 for that matter.

[Mondo_Gecko]

I wonder why they coulden't have Rocksteady & Bebop appear in the new toon, smarter and tougher and diffrent then they were in the old toon.

[heretic888]

because they wouldnt fit.

[Karpo_007]

Yes they would definetly be out of place.

[MzTheInsomniac]

quit wishing for Bebop and Rocksteady, they were out of the new show from day one :D

[Karpo_007]

Yeah. Soon I will start asking "why can't they put a tougher Venus in the new show!" :D J/k

[Anarchistguy]

And add a couple of Pizza Monsters while you're at it!

[Prowl]

You said Venus....AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :)

[beaker]

OMG! I so didnt mean to say the new intro is appauling...I meant the new THEME song sucks IMHO. LOVE the old theme song, and intro. But the new intro *itself* is freaking sweet(the full one on www.tmnt.tv ) *whew*
But yes...new intro rules...new theme song sucks.

[Eye of Sarnath]

The theme song by itself I don't like, but it works during the intro I think, because tyhe full attention is not on the theme.

[Karpo_007]

Yes I didn't like the theme song either, but it works darn well with the intro. Now im actually begining to like it.

[lhb412]

The only parts of the song I like is when they say:
"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles"
and when they say
"Turtles, count 'em off 1-2-3-4"

But still the intro itself is completely amazing, the animation is beautifull and it goes along with the song perfectly.

[Donatello02]

I wish they brought back the old song. That song is friggin GOLD.

[Eye of Sarnath]

But it wouldn't exactly work with the new toon, now would it? I love it as much as the next guy, prolly more, but it just wouldn't fit.

[Kali]

Plus, this is not the old toon. This is a whole new continuum. There are going to be enough people asking "Does this cartoon take place after the old one?" as it is, using the same song would only confuse them more.

[Mikey the Party Turtle]

Umm...if anyone wants the comparision of Akira (One of my favorite Animes!) with the snapshot of the new TMNT (Probably going to be my favorite TV Show!), here they are:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid49/p192e7885839c68f219720bb5239720f5/fcb70204.jpg

http://www.bbakira.co.uk/wallpaper/bikewp1tum.jpg

If only the Akira capture was right when you see the green sparks. :D