Please help me understand a few things (Mirage Series)

[darthsmozers]

Hi all,
While I was an avid TMNT cartoon viewer, toy collector, and TMNT Adventures (Archie Series) reader, and movie fan, I was too youn to appreciate the Mirage comic series. I have been reading the newest series (7, or 8 issues so far?) and am trying to learn the backstory as best I can through sites, fans, etc. However, it doesn't amount to much at all.

So, ever so briefly, or ever so descriptively, can someone either a) point me in the direction of synopsis for the past Mirage (And Image) TMNT comic series, or possible explain to me yourselves what happened from the very beginning until the first issue of the newest series?

I do have a book recollecting, in color, the story where Leo, out in the snow, is attacked by the foot and shredder/the foot attack April's building, they all head to Casey's farm house, and it ends there. This, I imagine, was a large part of the inspiration for the story of the first movie, correct? And, i also see it is going to be adapted partially in the new cartoon. (Except, in the movie, it was Raph, not Leo, but since in the comic they all had red bandanas, maybe theyre the same person, HAHA. Just kidding :P )

So, anyways, all I know is somewhere early in the story they're attacked by the foot in the snow and they head to Casey Jones' farmhouse, which must be early on since it takes place in the first series of the new cartoon and in the first movie.

So, if anyone, or all of you, can maybe take turns and fill me in on the sotry from the beginning until now, such as who are the utroms (spelling?), who is good, who is bad, what happens when, who gets hurt badly, who turns bad, good, etc, who the key players are, what the hey story arcs are....how the series fit into eachother, how the Image series fits in....

I hope this isn't too much to ask, but the sites I've been to don't recollect a whole lot, and being a college student I have limited funds to go buy tons upon tons of back issues...and, I'd like to get as much as I can from the new comic series.

Thanks all, in advance!

:)

[xZAOx]

here ya go, 62 + 13 issues quick style. actually im just going to hit the main storylines. stuff like rick veitchs and a.c. farley's are stories that fit in the continum, but have no real consequnce on the story as a whole. the stuff about the tales of the tmnt will be after this.

turtles are born, kill shredder, anger foot.
april is assistant for baxter. who is insane, and creates mousers. april bails on his evil plans, he tries to kill her, turtles save her, put baxter in jail. or something.
turtles go home to find lair in shambles, splinter gone. they go back to april since home isnt safe. while exercising on rooftops foot finds them. big battle, then they see the TCRI bulding, same letters on the can of ooze. they infiltrate, find out that splinter is there. the TCRI found himi n the sewers. the TCRI is really the utrom earth headquarters, where they were ship wrecked. turtles and utroms mistake each other for enemies, and they find splinter in a big tube thing. they think hes dead, but hes not, the utroms are nursing him back to health. then oops, they get teleported. here they meet fugitoid, fight some triceratons, and eventually make it back to earth, in the TCRI building. some triceratons followed. turns out, by some accident, leatherhead ends up being teleported back here at this time too, or something.

meanwhile, when the turtles first teleported, it let off this huge ass beam through the roof. the army or some **** goes to infiltrate. so when the turtles get back, the army or whatever is slowly making its way through the building. they all teleport away in the nick of time.

casey meets raphael. close enough to the movie way. also, during this time we meet all the other super freaks in an issue (# 15) that you see in the new series.

foot are still pissed back home. they gang up on leo one day, while hes out exercising. they lead him to a trap, and he gets the living hell beat out of him, and he sees the shredder. he barely makes it home (at aprils) alive, but meanwhile the foot followed him. the turtles fight, and slowly escape the building. they get down to the second hand store part, and see the shredder. then casey jones, raph's new friend, sees the ruckus and joins in to help. they escape out the back, meanwhile shredder and the foot burn the place. they go to casey's grandmas (i think) house on the farm. they live there for a while, recouporating. they have a few adventures.

finally, after like a year, raph cant take it anymore. he heads back to NY, and returns to the old lair. the other turtles follow. turns out a triceraton was left from the TCRI building that happened a while back. the triceraton is more or less retarded due to the earth's atmosphere not being what he breathes. raph tricks him into helping them - turns out this triceraton, zog, knows where the foot HQ is...

they go there, get inside, and zog dies. finally. shredder is indeed alive. they took some worms, and they fed on shredder's remains. a couple of freaks happened first, and the turtles kill them while leo runs after the shredder. leo beheads the shredder, and they burn his corpse.

here we loose continuity, b/c laird and eastman dont have any say in the stories for almost 30 issues. im guessing at this point, they go live back on the farm. there's an issue with leatherhead, he lives in the sewer now, is kinda crazy, and is trying to rebuild a transmat device. it gets broken, he blames the turtles, and we all feel sorry for the poor fellow.

nothing majorly important happens again till 48 (or so). this is the city at war(at 50). the turtles are all unhappy. casey kills a kid, accidentally, and nobody (see the tales of tmnt part) tries to arrest him. casey throws away his mask, april's life sucks, and they are all a bunch of mopes. april tries going to CA i think, to live with her sister. her dad dies, so she goes back home to see the old store, meanwhile the turtles are hiding inside - more on that in a minute. she ends up buying an apartment building with the inheritance, and it turns out casey's mom owns the place. casey had just returned home. she buys it. splinter goes off on a search for inner peace or something, and gets trapped in a big silo deal, and breaks his leg. rat king comes to him in apparent ghost form, and gets him to eat other rats to have nutrition, to have the strength to climb out. he sees rat king's bones on the ground.

casey stops at a bar while going to NY, and his car gets stolen. the waitress (gabrielle) lets him stay at her place. they fall in love, and turns out shes pregnant, but from before casey was there. she dies when giving birth, and casey adopts the child, shadow.

the turtles take up shelter in a water silo. meanwhile, the foot is all about killing each other, since the death of shredder, many factions have split off doing this and that, and are at war with each other. also, some of the shredder elite (shredder's personal guards, swore allegiance to shredder) go around killing the foot too. the head of the foot in japan, karai, asks the turtles for help, in trade, the foot stop hunting the turtles, the turtles leave the foot alone. its a truce.

so the turtles lure all the foot elite (b/c they obviously hate the hell out of the turtles, who noone has control over) to april's old house. the foot elite crash the joint, and the turtles kill them all. the truce is called. don stays with splinter on the farm, the rest live in april's apartment building's basement.

now we go to volume 2.

baxter escapes from jail, and puts his brain in a big robot. he starts to terrorize april, starting with injecting her with the nanobots making her sterile. the turtles split up, going their own ways. raph moves into a cathedral, mike stays in the basement (he loves shadow, and hes quiet), leo moves into the sewer, and fights this big ass turtle. baxter lures the turtles out of hiding, and raph is lost in the process, and nobody helps. well he doesnt, but he tried.

the CIA or something is following baxter, and one day ransacks april's apartment, to find out why they are doing that. this guy (i forget his name, lou maybe? ill call him lou.) finds out, beats them down, and uses his mind-reading/altering ability to find out whats going on. he got this power from these people, when they did experiments on him. he finds out they have raph at their base or whatever. they go to save raph, freeing some other aliens, including a triceraton. they fight their way out, and during that nobody dies. they get free, but the triceraton has turned traitor and a loose triceraton spacecraft sees his homing beakon, and they are all like "lets take over earth".

then, lou leads the turtles to think he was killed (hes all cool like that), and that the world was blown up. they wake up (the turtles and casey) and think it was all a dream, once again to lou's doing. meanwhile lou and another alien saved the earth. lou erases himself from their memory

we are left kinda confused, b/c with lou's powers, we dont know what did and didnt happened. nobody might not even be dead. but i think what happened was - they esacpe, nobody dies, him and the alien save the planet. then the turtles returned home, and he mind-whiped them.

TALES:
here's a few things that happened in tales:
-we meet leatherhead, who was left behind when the utroms teleported. he lives in the sewers
-we meet nobody. hes a cop, who has a super hero identity. hes kinda wierd
-we meet rat king in an abandoned place

thats the more important ones. im tired. =)

[darthsmozers]

xZAOx,
OH MY GOSH! You are amazing!!! Thanks you incredibly!! Now I really do want to save money for the back issues, hehe.

A couple of questions arise, if nobody minds:

You say TCRI. Why was the movie version TGRI?

Did Shredder drop the mutagen like in the cartoon, od does he have absolutely no role in their mutation?

Leo beheads shredder, huh? I saw he beheaded the shredder snowman in the new series, so i guess that part makes sense now :) And, shredder only was around for the first series or so? Thats wild!

Guess they didn't live in the sewers for too long, either?

When do April and Casey fall in love?

Was Baxter in fly form an idea for the cartoon only?

Is the Rat King alive during this time or was he a spirit? You said something about his bones...

What happened next? I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to reveal the backstory for me! Its so different from the cartoon and the archie series, yet they hold special places in my heart too :) But, now I know the "real" story of the TMNT, so I can reead the new series with more enjoyment! If theres any more info, when you have the time, haha, reveal more to me :) But, you deserve a break from all of that typing you just did, :D

[Karpo_007]

You say TCRI. Why was the movie version TGRI?
Because the people who wrote the script for second movie couldn't read..[ :roll: ]
Did Shredder drop the mutagen like in the cartoon, od does he have absolutely no role in their mutation?
No
Was Baxter in fly form an idea for the cartoon only?
Of course

Well I haven't read volume 1 completely yet, can't answer the rest.

[Kali]

"You say TCRI. Why was the movie version TGRI?" - I heard somewhere that there was actually a real company called TCRI.

"Leo beheads shredder, huh? I saw he beheaded the shredder snowman in the new series, so i guess that part makes sense now :) And, shredder only was around for the first series or so?" Yep, only for a couple or so issues.

"Guess they didn't live in the sewers for too long, either?" At the beginning of Vol. 2 they did return to the sewers, and found the place they are now living in.

"When do April and Casey fall in love?" Who can say? It's arguable that they had feelings for each other all along, though they didn't get "together" until after Vol. 1.

"Is the Rat King alive during this time or was he a spirit? You said something about his bones..." I assume it's his spirit. After Splinter was well enough to walk again, he found the Rat King's skeleton, and he'd obviously been dead a long while.

"What happened next?" After Vol. 2? 15 years worth of stuff that's only been hinted at.

[xZAOx]

yeah, its wierd b/c of the cartoon shredder is the main focus. hes only in numbers: 1, leo, 10, 19, 20, 21. (im pretty sure thats it).

as for their origin, i kinda skipped that part. i figured you knew it, hehe. anyways, what happened was, a TCRI truck was carting a bunch of radioactive waste from their spaceship wreck. on the way, a blind man starts to cross the street. the TCRI swerve to avoid him, and a young man (a daredevil you might say, he was really brave :P ) knocks him out the way. a cannister of ooze bounces out of the truck, strikes him near the eyes, bounces and coolides with a glass bowl of four baby turtles held by a boy named Chet. the turtles and the cannister fall into the sewer, where splinter finds them, and so on and so forth =).

for the history of splinter, its a *tad* different from the movie. splinter as a rat trains under hamato yoshi. oruko nagi watns yoshi's woman, and beats her down. yoshi goes into a rage, and kills nagi. now, he is shamed in his clan,a nd must either comimt suicide, or leave. he goes to the US. meanwhile, nagi's young brother, oruko saki, is filled with rage. the foot feeds this rage, turning him into a killing machine. at 18, he is the best assasin the foot has. they send him to US to head that branch of the foot. while in town, he kills yoshi, and splinter gets free.

btw, you can read the whole first issue online at http://www.ninjaturtles.com. its in that site somewhere hehe. on to your other questions....

gotta disagree with you on one thing kali - at the start of vol. 2, only leo goes back to the sewers. why they are all living in the sewers again, we dont really know. but im guessing the place they are in now is prolly the place leo found.

as for april and casey, yeah they were hot for each other all along =), altho they hid it. in city at war, they are pretty happy to see each other, and i think thats where they really started to form a relationship. but it wasnt really "solid" until vol. 2.

and yep, the new "tales of the tmnt" series they are going to start doign again, is supposed to fill us on the "15 years of what the hell happened"

and no problem for helping ya out =). i was bored hehe. now go buy some issues! check the comic section of the forum, and check out the continuity thread!

[darthsmozers]

hehe, now, about that Image series...

[Kali]

gotta disagree with you on one thing kali - at the start of vol. 2, only leo goes back to the sewers. why they are all living in the sewers again, we dont really know. but im guessing the place they are in now is prolly the place leo found.
Okay, I knew someone would correct me on that. I only have three issues of Vol. 2, and they start at #4 and I haven't read them in awhile. In issue 5 I remembered Casey, Raph, and Mike came down to visit, so I think that's where I got confused. Glad someone has the correct info.

[xZAOx]

hehe, now, about that Image series...

these issues dont play into the mirage continuity. here's the really rushed version:

-raph gets shot in the face. hes a cyclops.
-donny gets shot really bad, and gets captured. he falls out of a helicopter, and breakes his back. a cyborg with living armor (one of the bad guys) is dying near him, and the armor takes over don's body.
-leo gets his hand bitten off
-mikey becomes a write, and actually gets a book published!
-splinter gets turned into a bat creature, and raph stabs him in the asteral plane. that allows splinter to return to his normal self, and he goes on being normal
-shadow's dad turns out to be the son of a gangster. they try to take her back, by hiring the foot. the foot does it, then the foot helps the turtles get her back (well they dont really do much, but they tell them where she is). they get shadow back, but it stats a huge war. raph befriends the foot, and goes to talk to them one day. so happens the mob is there whiping out the foot. raph kicks their asses, and falls upon a secret room w/ shredder's armor. he dons it, scares the hell outta the mobsters, and takes over the foot clan.

this pisses off the foot back in japan, and shredder's daughter (who is in the whole series) fights raph for the title of the shredder. raph wins, and then this "lady shredder" pops up. we dont know who she is, but she tells leo that he should remember her. you might think its karai, but the foot say earlier that she dishonored the foot clan and has no ties with them anymore, so who knows.

thats where it ends. i left out all the detail. i think it was a great series, aside from the over mutilation.

[darthsmozers]

So, the turtles pretty much got their butts handed to them? And, you say this doesnt lead into the new Mirage series? Meaning, time passed between series 2 and this new one, with no backstory?

[Kali]

Yep, between Volumes 2 and 4 there are 15 years of stuff we have no idea about. We know they included something between Shadow and werewolves (still waiting to see if my theory's correct), something between Leo and the Foot soldier Cha Ocho (supposedly we find out what in issue eight), Splinter taking Shadow up to live in Mass., the return of several old characters, and it was hinted that they were all seperated for a time. But Laird and the Mirage team have plans to do a new release of "Tales of the TMNT" with stories that would fill in the 15 years.

[darthsmozers]

OOOhhh I see. I also thought there was supposed to be a TMNT comic based loosely towards the show. ie-the younger audience. So, would this give us three titles? :)

Wow, the Mirage series is so different from what I know. For years I was (and am) a TMNT Adventures fan, and that story is SO different (though fun, i must say). I really want to read the Mirage series 1 and 2 now (and the Image one.)

[Karpo_007]

Yes it would be totally cool if by the end of 2003 we would have 3 diffrent TMNT comics. Volume 4, Tales volume 2, and dreamwave series. Altough we don't know much about the dreamwave comic yet, I like to believe it would be something for older and younger fans.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

If you want detailed summaries of every issue of the comics, go to the official TMNT site.

[darthsmozers]

not true...some they do, some they dont.

[darthsmozers]

I take it back...my browser was slow to load.

Thanks for the tip!

[Arsenal]

Fascinating...

You know, as much as I love the toys, the games, the movies, the cartoon, and the characters in general, I really hate just about everything I read about these damn comics. The more I hear about them, the more I wish I could hire an editor to make sense out of them. It just makes no sense that characters like the Turtles have been wallowing in this moody, oddly paced indie comic nightmare for decades now. They are characters that have and can be used in so many variety of ways... and this mopey set of events is what's considered the "real story?"

I really hope the Fox show makes a much more fun, better paced version of this universe.

[Karpo_007]

Yes it is the original, and true form of TMNT. It is not just a manis stream cartoon for kiddies, it has a real plot. The only reason the cartoon ever came to be was the fact that Eastman and Laird wanted to make some money.

Because of the cartoon, when somebody mentions TMNT, most people just remember the Pokemon of the 80's. Hopefully this new cartoon will change that.

[darthsmozers]

then hopefully parents wont object to a darker show.

[Donatello02]

It would be messed up if this new show turns out to look like the old cartoon.

[Aztec General]

Fascinating...

You know, as much as I love the toys, the games, the movies, the cartoon, and the characters in general, I really hate just about everything I read about these damn comics. The more I hear about them, the more I wish I could hire an editor to make sense out of them. It just makes no sense that characters like the Turtles have been wallowing in this moody, oddly paced indie comic nightmare for decades now. They are characters that have and can be used in so many variety of ways... and this mopey set of events is what's considered the "real story?"

I really hope the Fox show makes a much more fun, better paced version of this universe.

So what you are saying is that you prefer a bunch of fast paced fun action sequences as opposed to a deep, evolving, character developing story with dramatic action when needed? Ummmm... I'm awfully glad that you were not hired as the "editor to make some sense out of them". I'd rather watch Lord of the Rings over XXX anyday.

I'm guessing that you prefer more mainstream comics as opposed to indie comics. I love action as much as anyone, but I feel that action is pointless unless the characters are interesting, changing, and the story is fluid. This is a main difference between many mainstream and independent comics. Just look at what happened when the Turtles went from Mirage to Image. Larsen tryed to make them into an action/superhero team of the future and it failed miserably. One of the reasons it failed (there were many) was because it did not stay true to the characters, story, tone, or themes of the Mirage series.

Now that doesn't mean that the new cartoon series will be very moody or dark, but it is supposed to have those elements incorporated in it. As I've said before the new series will probably match the mood and tone of the first TMNT movie (which was heavily based off the Mirage comics) and IMHO that is a great thing.

[Donatello02]

I thought the Image turtles were kinda cool. Seeing Raphael wearing Shredder's uniform is just cool. Oh and, CYBER-DON! C'mon, who wouldn 't wanna read that?

[Aztec General]

I liked the Raph scar/Shredder thing as well. It did fit his character. I think they could have came up with a more creative or meaningful way to scar him though. But as a whole I think the series was a failure. It failed to realize really any of the characters and was apparently hell bent on mutilation. I do respect Larsen for trying to mainstream the TMNT comic a bit, but I just don't think it worked.

[Karpo_007]

Apparently it didn't sell good enough either. Luckily the volume 4 seems to be doing fine.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Karpo people don't think of the Turtles as kiddie or Pokemon of the 80s. Everyone i know whos my age or wastched the cartoon loves it to no end. All my friends and I still have the toys and reminise about the episodes all the time. I remember when i first got an episode of the internet and I was so so EXCITED that day. It was like i was 8 again. Then I told my friends and they got almost as excited as i did coming over here to watch the episodes again and loving them every bit as much as did when they were little.

[Donatello02]

Ahhh classic. I was watching the original turtle movie with my friend a couple of nights ago. He was just all smiles man. It brought back a lot. That's the the type of stuff that'll never lose it's appeal.

[Karpo_007]

It WAS the pokemon of the 80's. Endless ammounts of toys and other merchandise. Just like pokemon today.

[darthsmozers]

Actually, Pokemon is on the boat leaving popularity island :lol:

[xZAOx]

It WAS the pokemon of the 80's. Endless ammounts of toys and other merchandise. Just like pokemon today.

yeah, but nowhere near as annoying or lame =)

[Karpo_007]

Well I don't think that kids today think that it's lame.

[xZAOx]

my little brother didnt either back when he was 7 or whatever. i always gave him crap about them being gay =) (oh the fun of being the big brother). he finally listened to me, and now no longer likes them, and denies ever liking them, even tho he had all the figures and clothes, etc etc.

[Karpo_007]

The 2 phenomena are pretty close. Both were a crazy for few years. Pokemon is losing poluarity, and after 10 years most people won't remember it. Same happened with the TMNT cartoon.

[darthsmozers]

same thing happens with most.

[Karpo_007]

True.

[Arsenal]

That's bull. The Turtles toon not only had a much longer half-life than Pokemon, but had a series of genuinely successful films, one of the longest running toylines this side of Star Wars or Barbie, but an entire generation still has warm feelings for the show.

Anyway, back to your nonsense. I'm not really here. Just in a ball-busting mood.

[darthsmozers]

Arsenal,
Please watch your mouth.
Also, remember the 70's-80's saw longer running cartoons? As animation became more mainstream and audiences grew, and the tools became easier (computer editing, etc.), plus the picking-up of more networks (cartoon network, disney channel, etc.), MORE cartoons abound, with shorter lives as competition grows. although, some ran longer than others....

So, please watch your language, and don't judge before you think in a historical sense. it has more to do with time period and less to do with which show it was.

And, we werent talking about just the span anyways, we were also talking about everything that comes with a popular kids show.

[Arsenal]

Hey look, I forgot about that post.


So what you are saying is that you prefer a bunch of fast paced fun action sequences as opposed to a deep, evolving, character developing story with dramatic action when needed? Ummmm... I'm awfully glad that you were not hired as the "editor to make some sense out of them". I'd rather watch Lord of the Rings over XXX anyday.

Heh. Did you just call LOTR deep, full of character development? Wow, that's amazingly dumb. I saw that lovingly, of course! You're probably also one of those charming youngsters who'd say that the Star Wars prequel trilogy has absolutely no depth. But I digress.

No, what I meant is that I will always see the Turtles as a much friendlier, Marx Brothers-ish group. They're almost like the Beatles from Hard Day's Night... but with weapons. :D This applies to the Archies, the movies, and yes, the cartoon. In that sense, the moody, dark Turtles are alien to me. And that goes for a majority of Turtles fans.

Also, in the comics... everything I've heard about them suggests horrible continuity, bland storylines, and a lack of character development. Just my opinion of course. Just a preference, an observation. But you're free to shower me with indie cred condecension. (I know you will)

I'm guessing that you prefer more mainstream comics as opposed to indie comics.

How nice of you to ass-ume that because I don't like your favorite action-adventure young adult... indie comic.

[/b]I love action as much as anyone, but I feel that action is pointless unless the characters are interesting, changing, and the story is fluid. This is a main difference between many mainstream and independent comics. Just look at what happened when the Turtles went from Mirage to Image. Larsen tryed to make them into an action/superhero team of the future and it failed miserably. One of the reasons it failed (there were many) was because it did not stay true to the characters, story, tone, or themes of the Mirage series.[/b]

Your POV flawed because a.) Image is essentially an Indie label. Even if it was Marvel, it's not the label's fault that important elements were changed. B.) I'm sorry, but these stories have little more depth than a majority of mainstream comics. They're serialized action adventure comics, for **** sake. We're not talking about Art Spiegelman's Maus. They have their own flubs, just as Spider-man does.

Now that doesn't mean that the new cartoon series will be very moody or dark, but it is supposed to have those elements incorporated in it.

Yes, into a mainstream, network TV cartoon. So the indie perspective is pointless.

[Arsenal]

Arsenal,
watch your mouth.

:sleep:

ALSO, remember the 70's-80's saw longer running cartoons. As animation became more mainstream and audiences grew, and the tools became easier (computer editing, etc.), plus the picking-up of more networks (cartoon network, disney channel, etc.), MORE cartoons abound, with shorter lives as competition grows. So, watch your mouth, and don't judge before you think in a historical sense. it has more to do with time period and less to do with which show it was.

Even in "a historical sense," toons with the sheer popularity of the turtles rarely had that long of a run. There was very little "flash in the pan" about the franchise, which was my point. If I were just talking about the toon, comparing it to Pokemon wouldn't even be relevant because of Pokemon being an pre-released/completed import.

And, we werent talking about just the span anyways, we were talking about everything that comes with a popular kids show.

Yes, you were approaching the subject from the most cynical side of the Turtles phenomenon. How shocking from this bunch.

Mind you, "everything that comes from" it is exactly what I was talking about.

[darthsmozers]

oh give me a break..just do us a favor and dont come in here, foul talk, and leave. tastefully take part in the conversation please. thanks.

back to the topic at hand...

only a few days left!

oh, and can someone answer this:

does the Image series fit into Mirage continuity or no?

[xZAOx]

nope. been mentioned several times in several threads :)

*edit* ill rephrase - up until volume 4, yes it did. it picks up where vl. 2 left off for the most part. but when this new volume started up, laird just said 'screw what larsen did', and picked up 15 yrs after vol.2

[Arsenal]

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I was participating in the conversation, and responding with more intelligent content than what I've read from most of you. As soon as I suggested a contrary opinion, I am assaulted for being too shallow.

If you want intelligent conversation, then you have to acknowledge differing opinions.

[The big hand of the Mod comes in -- yes, please watch your attitude. We don't allow personal attacks and extreme foul language here. ]

[darthsmozers]

Arsenal, STOP with the language. It IS possible to post without certain words and still get your point across.

Now...so, i reread some posts on page 1 of this topic, and saw about raph. being head of the foot clan...did the image series end that way? if so, youre right, it looks like series 4 just says "well, see ya Image."

[Arsenal]

Arsenal, STOP with the language. It IS possible to post without certain words and still get your point across.

Seriously... bite me. If that's all you see, then you're missing the point. I love the silliness of indie comics fans asking me to tone down my language.

[darthsmozers]

Its a G-rated forum, so yes, keep it clean.

xZAOx, your insight AND knowledge has been awesome in helping me undertsand the Mirage series, thank you again! :D

[Arsenal]

Even the more comical.

[Machias Banshee]

Oh kay....


I'm looking at this thread, and seeing mostly insulting...PLEASE enough of the arguing, okay?


*official Mod warning*

[Karpo_007]

Yes this guy is being a jerk again. I hope Krang reads his posts, And maybe can convince him to stop acting like a brat.

[Krang]

Although I admit I think it's a nice change of pace to see someone actually opposing the "hardcore Mirage fans" who continually bash the original cartoon, please stop with the personal attacks and language, Arsenal.

[Karpo_007]

I agree, nothing wrong in healthy debate, but that guy does not know the meaning of the word. He doesn't know first thing about mirage to debate with, and instead is insulting and attacking people.

I really hope he will get some sense into his head and starts behaving.

[darthsmozers]

Did the Turtles have any type of vehicle in the Mirage series'? IE-did Don fix up any van or anything?

[xZAOx]

nah. well, when they were on the old farm, they (raph (not don like the movie) and casey) fixed up an old truck. and april had her van, altho it was not yellow and didnt say "turtles" on the front of it :lol:

in the new series, they have an armored truck they are revamping, tho.