Which stories from the comic would you like to see in Back to the Sewers?

[quinnmjohnson]

I would love to see an adaptation of the Tales of Leonardo: Blind Sight mini-series. Upon reading it again, it was just a fantastic story with awesome action and so many levels of meaning. Plus the art style would look amazing on the small screen.

[CudleyCowlick]

I'm always gonna ask for it and I'm never gonna get it.

Body Count. Uncensored. I'd love to see that as an animated story arch.

Yeah... I know. Don't laugh. All I have left in life are my dreams... :cry:

[Scandia]

- Blind sight
- Juliet's revenge
- The Animus War (you did not specify which comic ;)
- Any and every Toddler Turtles story that has been published
- Proposal

[Jelly Bean]

since you're a staff memeber is this a sign that we might see more comic adapted episode in BTTS? :)

[Jester]

FUTURE SHARK!!! (or any of the future turtle crossovers.)

[Toby Barrett]

I second Future Shark, that'd be epic.

[Roseangelo]

FUTURE SHARK!!! (or any of the future turtle crossovers.)

As much as I would like to agree with this, I don't think BTTS is going to provide the best environment for a worthy adaptation. For me this applies to any comic story left to be adapted.

[Jester]

I'm thinking that the second major Future Turtle arc would be awesome. Then again it'd almost require a creation of the Mutanimals. One wonders, and vol 4 kinda says it's possible, were the Utroms stranded in other areas, and in that case could they have created transmats and hence mutagen in other places on earth, creating other mutants, aside from Splinter and the boys...:P just a thought. ;)

And Rose, you may be right...but a man can hope....so don't burst my bubble too much. :P

[Drtooth]

As I keep saying... The River... Sky highway. The only 2 I really would love to see.

[quinnmjohnson]

Oh man, I too would love to see The River adapted. Such an awesome story arc!

And to respond to the question about my being a "Staff" member, I sadly have no influence on the animated series...so far I've just written Tales #31 but like others have said, a man can dream! :)

(And I'd love to see #31 adapted to an animated episode, but that's just me being selfish. :) )

[quinnmjohnson]

Oh, and just a quick note, I'll be at the San Diego ComicCon in a couple weeks in case anyone wants to talk Turtles! (I'll most likely be hanging with artist Robert Atkins at the IDW booth.)

The story arc where the ninja girl is collecting the Turtles' bandanas for her Foot initiation would be a cool animated story arc too.
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[Dan]

Worms of madness (though they already had the mystics bring back the Shredder). And Souls Winter.

[turtle142]

Hey everybody, I too would love to see more comics stories in the show, BUT I hate to remind everyone of what Peter Laird said in a recent interview (I can't remember what site, but I'm sure someone on here does) that there was practically no adapted content from the comics in BTTS, only original story stuff of which he said he loved. So pretty much flat out confirmation that this season will have about nothing to do with the comics, according to Laird anyway, it'd be fine with me if he was wrong.

[TristanHuwJones]

It seems that, given how far the 2k series has deviated from the comics since it began, there isn't really much room for adapting comic stories. Sure characters could be incorporated here and there, but when you look at who we know is going to be in it, and the general set up of BTTS, the options are limited. Which is sad, but still cool, as it gives us something new.

[Revan]

Hey everybody, I too would love to see more comics stories in the show, BUT I hate to remind everyone of what Peter Laird said in a recent interview (I can't remember what site, but I'm sure someone on here does) that there was practically no adapted content from the comics in BTTS, only original story stuff of which he said he loved. So pretty much flat out confirmation that this season will have about nothing to do with the comics, according to Laird anyway, it'd be fine with me if he was wrong.
Sounds like good news to me.

Which stories from the comic would you like to see in Back to the Sewers?
NONE. The comic adaptations missed the mark IMO. The only exception being return to new york. The comic made it look a bit too easy, I thought. The new series had them fighting like crazy up to the top where they finally took out shredder.
I think the first episodes of season 1 were necessary to adapt from volume 1. You can't really deviate too far from the turtle origins but after that is established, do original stuff.

[Chris]

None in the current season. It's only 13 episodes and it already has a story arc (return from future, virtual world, save Splinter) so any adaptation would likely deviate too far to be an adaptation anyway.

However once they're back in the present, this arc is completed and we're back to the status quo then I'd love to see more adaptations! I actually think most of the good issues of Tales could be adapted to fit the animated world really well. I'd love to see The Passing and Masks adapted!

[Spitfire]

None, I've said it before and I'll say it again; I hate most comic adaptations. If the series had creative freedom to do them properly I'd love it but sadly they do not.

[Vincent]

The River. Definitely The River. Done faithfully, with adjustments only to make it work with the character arcs, drama and current status and all that. Possibly, if it's impossible to make it work emotionally for Raph, it might be okay to have Mikey be the one to be leeched, what with him being the "immature" one on the show and all. And that would be a good way to let Mikey grow up a bit, which I'm sure I'm not the only one to think he seriously needs to do for the show to move forward (which it needs to do, at a natural, non-"fast", pace - come on, we need some character development!).

[Revan]

that would be a good way to let Mikey grow up a bit, which I'm sure I'm not the only one to think he seriously needs to do for the show to move forward (which it needs to do, at a natural, non-"fast", pace - come on, we need some character development!).

oh he definately HAS HAD character development. The only problem is he immediately reverts back to his annoying self in the very next episode. It would probably be the same here if Mike and Raph switched places and Mike got bloodsucked. The thing is, kids like Mike to be silly (or at least 4kids thinks so). It really takes away much of what you can do with the series as writer. There are just some things that are and that's the way it is. :(

I'm not completely hating on your post but I will say that 4kids episodes don't come out the way the comic version did. Sometimes it's a good thing, but usually not IMO. 4kids has a nact for cheapening stories by changing important things to get a happy ending.

[Sage Ninja]

The River. Definitely The River. Done faithfully, with adjustments only to make it work with the character arcs, drama and current status and all that. Possibly, if it's impossible to make it work emotionally for Raph, it might be okay to have Mikey be the one to be leeched, what with him being the "immature" one on the show and all. And that would be a good way to let Mikey grow up a bit, which I'm sure I'm not the only one to think he seriously needs to do for the show to move forward (which it needs to do, at a natural, non-"fast", pace - come on, we need some character development!).

nah, forget the River for Mikey and leave it to Raph. If you want a comic based adaption for Mikey that makes him grow or delves into his depth of character, The Path is the way to go.

[Toby Barrett]

Haha! I'd also love to see something completely out there and unexpected, such as A TMNT Time Tale from volume 1, issue 16, or the Spaced Out three parter.

[Vincent]

oh he definately HAS HAD character development. The only problem is he immediately reverts back to his annoying self in the very next episode. It would probably be the same here if Mike and Raph switched places and Mike got bloodsucked. The thing is, kids like Mike to be silly (or at least 4kids thinks so). It really takes away much of what you can do with the series as writer. There are just some things that are and that's the way it is. :(
And that's the problem. That's why the show needs to change. The characters aren't growing. That's a huge bad thing and it's gonna be the death of the show if they don't do something about it. The characters need to learn from their experiences and grow.

I'm not completely hating on your post but I will say that 4kids episodes don't come out the way the comic version did. Sometimes it's a good thing, but usually not IMO. 4kids has a nact for cheapening stories by changing important things to get a happy ending.
Which is why they need new writers, IMO.

nah, forget the River for Mikey and leave it to Raph. If you want a comic based adaption for Mikey that makes him grow or delves into his depth of character, The Path is the way to go.
Oh, I don't think I've read that one yet!

[Sage Ninja]

then you should, seriously. In the Path it tackles some of Michelangelo's issues of choosing the warrior path, and was basically taken to task by Splinter saying that "the way of the warrior has found it's place with your brothers. For you it's not so simple. You must not hesitate, your enemies will not share the same empathy as you do",

I'm sort of power phrasing here so I'm not sure if I got the exact line that Splinter said to Michaelangelo. But basically this issue calls into question Michelangelo's generous heart and how it conflicts with his life style as a warrior and the need not to be soft. And in it Michaelangelo is placed into a situation where he has to descide which way to handle a situation presented to him. It's a good story chuck full of symbolism, and it's the closest I've ever seen to the way I would like to Michaelangelo to be handled as a character.

[X]

While I liked the FF season, it didn't feel as in depth and drawn out as seasons 1-4. I would like to see depth of character and scope back in episodes for BTTS.

As for what I would like to see otherwise in BTTS is -

- Returning characters from seasons 1-4.

- Justice Force
- Baxter/Bishop
- Karai/Foot/Chaplin
- Usagi/Gen
- Battle Nexus
- Traximus/Blanque/Zanramon
- Leatherhead/Fugitoid
- Angel and maybe her brother
- Auggie and Aprils cousin (forget her name)
- Other characters from seaons 1-4

- Really wish the seasons were 26 episodes still. I don't see how 13 episodes can stretch from September (assuming that's when BTTS starts,) to May when seasons typically end. This is so maybe this show (which I think doesn't have an excuse to end anyway when something like Power Rangers can be on the air way longer,) can outlast the first TMNT cartoon.

- Really hope Isenberg, Fogel, and the other writers are still on board.

AND FOR PEETS SAKE!!! Don't make EVERY episode have something to do with cyberspace.

That's all I can hope for out of BTTS. Season 1-4 felt different then season 5, but season 5 was still good, but it didn't feel as in depth as the first 4 seasons.

That is what I would like to see. Don't leave the past high and dry for something new, mix them both.

-X-

[Jelly Bean]

I think the season being only 13 episodes would mean less side tracking and more meat and patatoes to the story telling of plot.

I don't really care if I don't see the Justice Force, or April's extended family, (by the way that girl--whos name is Robyn, is April's sister not her cousin ;)) or Casey's old neighborhood friends, or the Fugitoid...whos been M.I.A since the third season :-? (maybe the writers forgot that he was living with the turtles in Don's computer), I just want to see the main bad guys and supporting cast make an appearance and play a big role in the next season.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

a few mentions of "the River" were on the first page and honestly I think that every time a topic like this comes up but honestly I could see it becoming more of a movie like a for TV or Straight to DVD type of deal with a unique animated style separate from the series maybe even.

As for comic adaptions I think i would like to see some of the new show first but the proposal may be a great idea considering where 2K3 left off with April and Casey and now we have met their future great grandson

[Spitfire]

(maybe the writers forgot that he was living with the turtles in Don's computer)

They didn't forget they gave him a body in Bishop's Gambit and in the last episode of season 3 they show him back on the Utrom home world.

As for the season only being 13 episodes I have a feeling there's a few reasons behind that. Season 5 was made solely to tell a story and didn't need to be any longer then it was. Fast Forward was a new series all together and they wanted to test the waters so they only gave it 13 at first, once it was successful it got to finish off it's first season. They don't count it as one season it's 26 total but their aired in half seasons.

So I'm sure the same is going to happen with BTTS.


Which is why they need new writers, IMO.
The shows had the same writers. The only reason they write what they do now is because they have no choice. 4Kids is forcing the series to be the way it is. The heads of 4Kids used to be a lot more into the way turtles was doing things. About halfway through season 4 the network heads all changed and the new guys weren't digging it. that and the shows ratings were going down. They even refused to air "Insane In The Membrane" because it was to "intense" for kids. That episode had some of the best storytelling of the series in my opinion.

Anyways so the format change came along and since they had a planned season that was to take place in the future they decided to work around that idea and make it less "intense". The poor writers have no choice. That's what happens when you work in show business. You don't get to do whatever you want the people who pay for your series get to. A lot of movies are ruined by this as well.

[Jelly Bean]

what are you going to school for spitfire?

thats a good point, we complain all the time about the writers but the reality is that they are good at what theyt do they just have to follow standards.

[Spitfire]

I go to school for Film. I'm currently in a 3 year program that I will finish with a BA of Science. The program teaches me everything from script writing to distribution. I will even learn how to make DVDs. I picked this school because they cover every subject and I'd like to have a taste of everything before I decide where I want to plant myself. So far I've excelled in editing, sound design, and writing so I might go in that direction. They also teach us the business aspect and we will learn producing, which I've already learned quite a bit about. We also learn how to appeal to audiences. I'm going to take some psychology classes on the side so I can nail that even better. All my teachers work in the field or used to. A lot of them are really nice and open to talking to all the students. Classes are small you get close to your teachers. You also have them several times throughout the program. I chat it up with them about movies and technical aspects all the time outside of class.

I'm currently writing a script but as far as movies go it's not mainstream and I wouldn't be able to get a Hollywood studio to make it. I'd either have to get it made in another country or make it self funded. It's pretty heavy and depressing. Another story I am working on though is more mainstream and a lot lighter. That one I think I could pitch.

[Tinuvielsdreams]

I go to school for Film. I'm currently in a 3 year program that I will finish with a BA of Science. The program teaches me everything from script writing to distribution. I will even learn how to make DVDs. I picked this school because they cover every subject and I'd like to have a taste of everything before I decide where I want to plant myself. So far I've excelled in editing, sound design, and writing so I might go in that direction. They also teach us the business aspect and we will learn producing, which I've already learned quite a bit about. We also learn how to appeal to audiences. I'm going to take some psychology classes on the side so I can nail that even better. All my teachers work in the field or used to. A lot of them are really nice and open to talking to all the students. Classes are small you get close to your teachers. You also have them several times throughout the program. I chat it up with them about movies and technical aspects all the time outside of class.



Psychology courses are a great idea! I did the same thing when I was in school for animation and film. Did we ever talk about that? LOL we have to of at some point...but I think course like really help when you are writing

The shows had the same writers. The only reason they write what they do now is because they have no choice. 4Kids is forcing the series to be the way it is. The heads of 4Kids used to be a lot more into the way turtles was doing things. About halfway through season 4 the network heads all changed and the new guys weren't digging it. that and the shows ratings were going down. They even refused to air "Insane In The Membrane" because it was to "intense" for kids. That episode had some of the best storytelling of the series in my opinion.

Anyways so the format change came along and since they had a planned season that was to take place in the future they decided to work around that idea and make it less "intense". The poor writers have no choice. That's what happens when you work in show business. You don't get to do whatever you want the people who pay for your series get to. A lot of movies are ruined by this as well.

yes, often times the writers are given a premise, and they are not in control of most aspects of a series. They are in charge of making the ideas given sound good in story form and on screen. It has to be so difficult to adapt a comic book into a animated show and having to water it down for kids is just an added challenge I am sure.

[NameGoesHere1066]

what does it take to get into film school Spitfire? I've thought about getting into that as well. What's the name of your school?

[Spitfire]

what does it take to get into film school Spitfire? I've thought about getting into that as well. What's the name of your school?

It doesn't take much. Really it takes a lot of guts, in my opinion, because entering school for anyone is basically saying "I want to set myself up to be in debt for the rest of my life if I fail". Everyone takes the risk though and it's worth it. As long as your confident you will succeed. I did terrible in high school and since I started I've been on both Honor Roll and the Dean's List. I also got invited to join this special club called Alpha Beta or something that supposedly looks super good on an application and you get something special for graduating as one.

I currently go to The Art Institute Of California - San Fransisco. It's a great school so far. I just took an audio class tonight where I learned some basics in Garage Band.

[PAAATE]

I'm currently writing a script but as far as movies go it's not mainstream and I wouldn't be able to get a Hollywood studio to make it. I'd either have to get it made in another country or make it self funded. It's pretty heavy and depressing. Another story I am working on though is more mainstream and a lot lighter. That one I think I could pitch.

WAAAY OFF TOPIC

The first one sounds cooler :P

I, too, study film.. I'm currently developing a TV-series I hope to be able to pitch before the end of the year.. But if I don't feel I'm ready I won't because one of my teachers has said that they can question you about mostly anything, like "What did that character do on that date" et.c. so I wanna be as prepared as possible :)

I even got a bunch of questions you should answer for each main character to get to know them, if you like me are having trouble writing good characters.. And these questions are REALLY helping.. Like "What does your character like to do in the summer?" I mean, it has nothing to do with the show but it has everything to do with the character, if you know what I mean :P

[Sage Ninja]

you guys make me want to try film school. My asperations is to become a writer and I've thought of changing my major to a creative writing one, but I was would also like to try my hand at screen plays and film. I would love to creat my own tv series. I've had loads of ideas and characters floating in my head waiting to be born. **sigh** to dream...

[Spitfire]

WAAAY OFF TOPIC

The first one sounds cooler :P

I, too, study film.. I'm currently developing a TV-series I hope to be able to pitch before the end of the year.. But if I don't feel I'm ready I won't because one of my teachers has said that they can question you about mostly anything, like "What did that character do on that date" et.c. so I wanna be as prepared as possible :)

I even got a bunch of questions you should answer for each main character to get to know them, if you like me are having trouble writing good characters.. And these questions are REALLY helping.. Like "What does your character like to do in the summer?" I mean, it has nothing to do with the show but it has everything to do with the character, if you know what I mean :P
Good luck! Sure PM it to me or shoot me an Email. I did a tri-dimensional character breakdown for all mine that basically explains their personality and morals pretty well. Yours sounds even more in depth though.

you guys make me want to try film school. My asperations is to become a writer and I've thought of changing my major to a creative writing one, but I was would also like to try my hand at screen plays and film. I would love to creat my own tv series. I've had loads of ideas and characters floating in my head waiting to be born. **sigh** to dream...
Writing is fun but doing it as a job is a bad idea sadly. Writers get screwed, every teacher has told me that. Basically Film Studios or whoever buys your script and about 10 others that sound similar, take the best scenes from each and mesh them into one script. Then it's re-written by someone else and they take all the credit for the story. None is given to the original writer which means getting your name tacked onto anything and building reputation is impossible. You also can't complain because you got paid for it.

Doing your own stuff though is awesome you just have to be safe with it. You can't baby things too much though or they will never get made. If it sounds interesting to you go for it. I'm sure you could take some writing classes on the side and maybe an intro film class to see if you like it.

[PAAATE]

Writing is fun but doing it as a job is a bad idea sadly. Writers get screwed, every teacher has told me that. Basically Film Studios or whoever buys your script and about 10 others that sound similar, take the best scenes from each and mesh them into one script. Then it's re-written by someone else and they take all the credit for the story. None is given to the original writer which means getting your name tacked onto anything and building reputation is impossible. You also can't complain because you got paid for it.

On the other hand you can make demands.. You won't get as many jobs, but I would NEVER let anyone "slaughter" my script and take money over "glory"...

Which, I guess, makes it even harder :P

Of course, I'm not impossible to reason with, if a producer comes with an idea I think is good I won't go "No, my idea, do it my way" just for the heck of it..

[ZariusTwo]

AND FOR PEETS SAKE!!! Don't make EVERY episode have something to do with cyberspace.

What else are they going to do with only thirteen episodes and, more importantly, a toyline to sell? You're going to see a whole darn lot of Cyberspace. No doubt the "Power Rangers" elements will be exploited it it's full potential as much as FF's potential was exploited.

[Vincent]

The shows had the same writers. The only reason they write what they do now is because they have no choice. 4Kids is forcing the series to be the way it is. The heads of 4Kids used to be a lot more into the way turtles was doing things. About halfway through season 4 the network heads all changed and the new guys weren't digging it. that and the shows ratings were going down. They even refused to air "Insane In The Membrane" because it was to "intense" for kids. That episode had some of the best storytelling of the series in my opinion.

Anyways so the format change came along and since they had a planned season that was to take place in the future they decided to work around that idea and make it less "intense". The poor writers have no choice. That's what happens when you work in show business. You don't get to do whatever you want the people who pay for your series get to. A lot of movies are ruined by this as well.

Yeah. I know. I do stick by my opinion that the show needs new writers (as quite frankly, regardless of plot, it wouldn't hurt to get some new people on the actual scripting - the dialogue and character interaction's been jumping back and forth between clever/natural and stupid/annoying since season one, and having characters think out loud all the time is not a sign of excessive amounts of talent), but you're right, that's not the biggest problem. The heads of 4kids much more desperately need to figure out that there are brains in them and that such devices can be used for a process called thinking, as they're the ones responsible for the actual decisions.

And if we're gonna be having a sidetrack discussion about film studies, I suppose I could mention, just for the fun of not being left out, that I've studied film for three years and creative writing for one and a half (and since then written, among other things, a feature length screenplay, the second draft of which I'm currently polishing) and I'm about to take a year of stand-up comedy, whereupon I'll try to do further film studies if I can manage to get in somewhere and magically find a way to pay for it.

[Sage Ninja]

Writing is fun but doing it as a job is a bad idea sadly. Writers get screwed, every teacher has told me that. Basically Film Studios or whoever buys your script and about 10 others that sound similar, take the best scenes from each and mesh them into one script. Then it's re-written by someone else and they take all the credit for the story. None is given to the original writer which means getting your name tacked onto anything and building reputation is impossible. You also can't complain because you got paid for it

Spitfire I know you where just being straight with me but I just died a little inside. Because writing has been something that I've wanted to do since I can remember and every thing you just said has been one of my biggest fears. Every where I turn I'm confronted with more and more negetive aspects of pursueing writing as a career than posetive. :cry:

[turtlelife]

Sage what Spitfire said is completely true, but it doesn't mean you still can't succeed in writing. I've talked to writers from a lot of mediums to see which route I personally wanted to take. As everyone I want to write TV shows and movies, but I prefer to write novels more. It's a way I can develop characters and expand my ideas better. Publishing companies are a lot easier to work with, it seems more like a partnership than a pillaging. And you won't have to worry about rewrites except by you.

Beyond that there are the comic and video game industries who both need great stories and intriguing characters. Then there is always a chance of going abroad and trying your hand in other countries. And if creative writing isn't working, what about editorial writing or reviewing? All these avenues can lead to hollywood too.

It all comes down to how much you want it and how far you are willing to go. Will you eat nothing but tuna and ramen for a year if it means you might sell your idea? Will you travel a thousand miles to take a meeting that possibly might not work out? You should turn the facts spitfire told you into the tenacity and drive you need to fight through, not get discouraged. I'm sure someone is right now writing another american pie movie, don't you think you could write something better than that? Just don't get down on yourself. There is a lot of rejection in this world, but wherever there is rejection, acception could be waiting.

And as for the topic of this thread, I personally don't see them using much source material from any comics, but if anything I would prefer some Archie stories and characters adapted to the times. The Man Ray issues early on or the Jagwar and Dreadmon issues dealing with the rainforests and oceans could easily fall into the go green campaign. And even though it hasn't been released yet, the upcoming tales with Cudley and the moo mesa boys I'm sure will be one I would like animated. In fact how about just an Archie TMNT and Mutanimals cartoon hour with guest spots by the Conservation Corps, I can still dream can't I?

[Spitfire]

Spitfire I know you where just being straight with me but I just died a little inside. Because writing has been something that I've wanted to do since I can remember and every thing you just said has been one of my biggest fears. Every where I turn I'm confronted with more and more negetive aspects of pursueing writing as a career than posetive. :cry:

Don't left it affect ya! That just means you have to make your own work happen. Geta job doing something else until you get big enough to put out your own works. If you have all these creative and awesome characters I'd imagine it would be hard to just give them up anyways, I know that's my problem and why I refuse to sell any scripts I write.

You could always write for another thing you didn't create on the side to gain notice. TV series come to mind, they always need writers. I know the strike just happened and it looks a bit grim in that field but sometimes building a good portfolio and impressive resume is the most important thing.