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oldmanwinters
12-05-2008, 04:25 PM
The second film wasn't great cinema by any definition, but to place it well below Catwoman, Batman & Robin, Superman IV, Steel, Supergirl, and the Captain America movie that never saw the light of day is a crime:
http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/collections/gallery/1299/the-worst-comic-book-movie-adaptations#photo15

Death to Yahoo!

EDIT: Argg, I just remembered this is New Movie discussion. Could a mod please move this one to the proper thread please?
RE-Edit: Thanks, Machias Banshee!

Machias Banshee
12-05-2008, 04:56 PM
Sure thing... ;)

The Terror of Death
12-05-2008, 05:01 PM
Um, those movies aren't in numerical order. Nothing says TMNT is the six worst. And even if it is no big deal.

gobo
12-05-2008, 05:06 PM
That's absurd! :lol: While the movie had a few improvements over the first (Donnie acting like Donnie, to name one) which were weighed down by some really embarassing moments ('Niller Ice, Shredder's means of ejection from the club, Super Shredder's blink-and-you'll-miss-it appearance, etc.), there were plenty comic movies more deplorable than this. It just tried a little too hard to be mindless entertainment.

oldmanwinters
12-05-2008, 05:17 PM
Um, those movies aren't in numerical order. Nothing says TMNT is the six worst. And even if it is no big deal.

True, that's why I hold out hope. Generally, Yahoo! tends to rank things with #1 being the last entry. But it might not be the case here. I agree though, it's no big deal for Turtle fans. We can still enjoy the movie for nostalgia.

CyberCubed
12-05-2008, 05:20 PM
TMNT 2 was silly, but it wasn't bad by any means.

Its still a fun watch.

Jester
12-05-2008, 05:24 PM
TMNT 3 is often considered worse than the second...and what of Superman III, it's way worse than IV.

And speaking of 4...where's Fantastic Four...heck any of the 3 of them?

oldmanwinters
12-05-2008, 05:26 PM
And speaking of 4...where's Fantastic Four...heck any of the 3 of them?

Amen. And I thought the sequel was worse than the original.

Blade Raider
12-05-2008, 05:33 PM
And speaking of 4...where's Fantastic Four...heck any of the 3 of them?
Agreed. And speaking of crappy Marvel movies, where's The Hulk? That movie's garbage.

Jester
12-05-2008, 05:35 PM
The one thing I can give Ang Lee credit for is that his Hulk movie is the only comic film that feels like you're watching a comic. I liked the panel in panel stuff he did.

oldmanwinters
12-05-2008, 05:45 PM
The one thing I can give Ang Lee credit for is that his Hulk movie is the only comic film that feels like you're watching a comic. I liked the panel in panel stuff he did.

Outside of 24, wasn't that a fairly novel idea at the time?

BTW, TMNT 2 gets a bad rap on account of Vanilla Ice...
waitaminute...
"I just made a funny!"

Jester
12-05-2008, 06:11 PM
*applaudes Master Splinter*

Lil G
12-05-2008, 06:56 PM
*applaudes Master Splinter*

crangulashuns! you have posted that...er...post at 7:11 pm! you will be lucky for ...um... when you go play poker!

ON TOPIC: yeah, there were way more worse movies than tmnt 2 out there, like hulk 1 and tmnt 3 (lol). yeah, and its pretty rude and mean for yahoo! to put on a movie just because it has a stupid rap in it that was horrid but pretty catchy.

http://www.homepages.demon.co.uk/icons/stanford/finger.middle.gif yahoo!

Tinuvielsdreams
12-05-2008, 07:29 PM
Haha I like all the comments.
I agree the second movie definitely doesn't belong on that list. The third movie much more likely, I pretend that one doesn't exist.
They are just lashing out at Ninja Rap because they know they sang and danced to it when they were kids and just won't admit it :P

gobo
12-05-2008, 08:22 PM
If the list was "Most Embarassing Comic Book Movies", I might could see how The Ooze would fit. But, gimmeabreak... And, to this day, I still think "Ninja Rap" is the only listenable song in all of Vanilla Ice's career. Lyrics are retarded, but the beats are sweet.

shuriken
12-05-2008, 10:35 PM
YO it's the green machine gonna rock the house without being seen
ICE MAN Have you ever seen a turtle get dooown...
yeah that's the sh*t right there.:P
Although the Crow3 Salvation is infininately crappier than the Crow City of Angels. And where the Hell is Daredevil! :x

Drtooth
12-06-2008, 09:26 AM
TMNT 3 is often considered worse than the second...and what of Superman III, it's way worse than IV.

TOTALLY... I mean, what was up with that crap about the woman getting engulfed by the computer and becoming a robot for no apparent reason... especially since it had nothing to do with anything, and no one had to fight it... it just fell down or something in 20 seconds of air time.

KROW
12-06-2008, 03:38 PM
Yahoo's lists are pure anus fodder. Whether it's movies or music, every article writer seems to have a bad case of head-up-the-ass syndrome.

Buslady
12-06-2008, 05:14 PM
i didnt care for 2, it was fine until vanilla ice ruined it with his crap rap...but 2 was better than 3

Canadian Turtle
12-06-2008, 06:10 PM
I just hate Yahoo all together so I don't really care what they think.

oldmanwinters
12-06-2008, 06:20 PM
There are about 570 comments on the entry by Yahoo! users. Most all of them are shocked and upset that Secret of the Ooze made this list and have fond memories of the film.

Take that Yahoo! :lol:

Hero
12-07-2008, 01:11 PM
The one thing I can give Ang Lee credit for is that his Hulk movie is the only comic film that feels like you're watching a comic. I liked the panel in panel stuff he did.

Certainly was an acquired taste.

===HERO

shuriken
12-14-2008, 01:31 AM
Certainly was an acquired taste.

===HERO

I enjoyed that film. Although I think the Hulk gettin like 20 feet tall was kinda ridiculous.

Ryona
12-14-2008, 03:57 AM
TMNT II is simply a pure guilty pleasure. It's just so much fun to watch! It's by far my favorite of the three Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies. The first one was alright, and the third one was absolute garbage.
Infact, I'd still go for The Secret of the Ooze over the new TMNT movie.

Jester
12-14-2008, 09:17 AM
Though I agree for the most part, SotO over the original movie....
http://www.100monkeystyping.com/wlog/clerks1.jpg
Blasphemy!

gobo
12-14-2008, 01:51 PM
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - The Movie = respectable message movie
Secret of the Ooze = zany fun, guilty pleasure (with a fair share of embarassing moments)
III = better in print as it's less lame without the sound effects and horrible quips

Kendamu
12-14-2008, 05:24 PM
Personally. I think SotO is a horrible comic book movie. However, it isn't a horrible TMNT movie. Even with the stuff that was taken from the comics for SotO, I enjoy SotO much more as an OT-inspired movie.

oldmanwinters
12-14-2008, 07:04 PM
Personally. I think SotO is a horrible comic book movie. However, it isn't a horrible TMNT movie. Even with the stuff that was taken from the comics for SotO, I enjoy SotO much more as an OT-inspired movie.

Good point, but I'm betting the farm that the Yahoo! reviewer probably has never read a copy of any Mirage published book.;)

Jester
12-14-2008, 07:10 PM
Exactly what was taken from the Mirage universe in SotO? TGRI?

gobo
12-14-2008, 07:32 PM
... and Splinter, and Leonardo, and Donatello, and Michaelangelo, and Raphael, and April, and Casey, and The Shredder -- the list goes on a few more centimeters. :D

Jester
12-14-2008, 07:37 PM
Hardy har, Fraggle man....you know what I meant. Aside from established characters, what from Mirage is used in the story? :P

gobo
12-14-2008, 07:46 PM
The sewers of New York?? :P

Jester
12-14-2008, 08:00 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/Jesterangalo/Shredder5.jpg
DAH!!!! Curse you, Gobo!!!!

Kendamu
12-14-2008, 08:13 PM
Exactly what was taken from the Mirage universe in SotO? TGRI?
Basically the whole thing of, "What? TCRI TGRI? We've totally gotta sneak in and investigate! Oh no! Stuff happens that interrupts us! Now were on a completely different adventure!" Also, TCRI TGRI mysteriously vanishes after it's all over.

Also, I've read many times (though have no clue what the source is) that Perry was supposed to reveal himself to be an Utrom in the end, but there wasn't the budget for it or something. I have nothing to confirm that, though.

Jester
12-14-2008, 08:27 PM
Yeah I've heard that, too. I'd love to see a script to verify that...

turkishproverb
12-14-2008, 09:17 PM
It may have been a pre-script idea, and got shot down as "out of budget" early on.

shuriken
12-14-2008, 11:03 PM
It may have been a pre-script idea, and got shot down as "out of budget" early on.

That would have been pretty bitchin.

Coola Yagami
12-15-2008, 12:04 AM
Also cause at the time, all the kiddies would have been wondering why 'Krang' is running around disguised as some old guy?

turkishproverb
12-15-2008, 12:19 AM
Yea, I imagine that had an effect.

Drtooth
12-15-2008, 12:11 PM
Gah... I agree with Son of the Mask. 2 things... 1, there's a freaking comic book you could have based this off of... 2... any movie that previously starred Jim Carrey and doesn't have Jim Carrey in it is bound to suck... Dumber and Dumberer... Evan Almighty... total sacks of crap.

gobo
12-15-2008, 04:25 PM
Gah... I agree with Son of the Mask. 2 things... 1, there's a freaking comic book you could have based this off of... 2... any movie that previously starred Jim Carrey and doesn't have Jim Carrey in it is bound to suck... Dumber and Dumberer... Evan Almighty... total sacks of crap.
After Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls, Jim said he doesn't want to do sequels ever again. Which makes me sad for the poor kid who won Nintendo Power's 'be an extra on the Mask II!' contest all those years ago, before Jimbo raised his asking price and the project was put on hold indefinitely. They're doing the same thing with Ace Ventura Jr.: Pet Detective (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0844029/). No Jim to be seen (on DVD everywhere March 3rd).

Jester
12-15-2008, 05:40 PM
Not a comic book sequel, but after Dr. Doolittle 2 Eddie Murphy stopped being in the sequels...but did that stop them...NOOO!! There are now 3 DTV sequels to the series, all sans Murphy, or even Raven, only Kayla Pratt and "Mom" make an appearance in these sequels. Dr. Doolittle is mentioned though.

Ryona
12-16-2008, 03:00 AM
Though I agree for the most part, SotO over the original movie....
http://www.100monkeystyping.com/wlog/clerks1.jpg
Blasphemy!

Actually no. If they wanted to make the first movie close to the Mirage comics, they could have played more true to the comics then. One example... The fight on the rooftop with Raph and the Foot.. That scene in the comics was actually Leo. The 2k3 series got it right, but the movie didn't.
And that's just one example.
There were also some problems with how they portrade the turtles' personalities, because again, if the movie was based off the comics, the personalities were a bit off then. Raph was the closest to his Mirage counterpart, but the other three were definetly off. Mikey isn't nearly as silly. Don is also more serious. And Leo is more stoic and shrewd. He wouldn't really squabble with Raph. He'd be more like "Okay, Raph.. You're doing that stupid thing again where you act like an idiot, so go out for your "fresh air" and come back when you smarten up". Leo also wouldn't just lunge at Shredder carelessly. He has way more tact in the comics. You can clearly see how successful his hits are in issue 1 of the Mirage comics.

I can go on, but I think the point got across.



Now as for the second movie... It's based more so on the 80s show (and likewise the Archie TMNT comics) rather than the Mirage comics this time, so for what it was, it was good, zany, cartoonish fun.
I also really really love Donatello in the second movie. He was way more outgoing and savvy and slick and charismatic and extremely witty than all the other versions of Don.
I think for the first and only time, Don's personality was so strong that he didn't need to be defined as the "smarty tech guy".

Drtooth
12-16-2008, 09:25 AM
After Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls, Jim said he doesn't want to do sequels ever again. Which makes me sad for the poor kid who won Nintendo Power's 'be an extra on the Mask II!' contest all those years ago, before Jimbo raised his asking price and the project was put on hold indefinitely. They're doing the same thing with Ace Ventura Jr.: Pet Detective (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0844029/). No Jim to be seen (on DVD everywhere March 3rd).

Een then, they could have at least had a movie about Walter.... but NOOOOO they turned it into a poor little kiddy flick.

Kendamu
12-16-2008, 10:33 AM
Actually no. If they wanted to make the first movie close to the Mirage comics, they could have played more true to the comics then. One example... The fight on the rooftop with Raph and the Foot.. That scene in the comics was actually Leo. The 2k3 series got it right, but the movie didn't.
And that's just one example.
There were also some problems with how they portrade the turtles' personalities, because again, if the movie was based off the comics, the personalities were a bit off then. Raph was the closest to his Mirage counterpart, but the other three were definetly off. Mikey isn't nearly as silly. Don is also more serious. And Leo is more stoic and shrewd. He wouldn't really squabble with Raph. He'd be more like "Okay, Raph.. You're doing that stupid thing again where you act like an idiot, so go out for your "fresh air" and come back when you smarten up". Leo also wouldn't just lunge at Shredder carelessly. He has way more tact in the comics. You can clearly see how successful his hits are in issue 1 of the Mirage comics.

Considering that they didn't wanna alienate the OT kids (like me at the time), they made some changes. However, Golden Harvest wouldn't have even done the film had the director not been exposed to the comics. And, to say that it's not based off the comic is a pretty big stretch anyway.

Let's take a look:

- The Turtles win their first battle, and excitedly come home to tell their sensei.
- Turtles rescue April and bring her to their sewer home.
- The Turtles' origin. A bit abridged, but you get the point.
- Splinter goes missing and the place is trashed so the Turtles move in with April.
- One Turtle goes out, which in this case it's Raph because it makes more sense with him going out all the time in the first movie, and gets beaten up pretty bad.
- The apartment is invaded, the Turtles fight the Foot, Casey shows up, the place is lit on fire, then they escape to a farm house!
- They spend a lot of time on the farm before finally getting the resolve to go back and face the Foot again.
- Splinter's origin. No Nagi, but you get the point.
- The Turtles take the Shredder on in a rooftop battle that ends with Shredder falling off the side of the building to his doom (by a garbage truck instead of a grenade, but whatever).

To say that, because they didn't do it exactly like the comics, that it isn't based off the comics makes it seem like you're just TRYING to get people stirred up or something. Sure, it's not in the same order as the comics, but it's clearly inspired from the comics a lot more than any other Turtles media (besides 2k3).

By your logic, I could say that 2k3 isn't true to the comics because Mikey's silly and Leo squabbles with Raph. Also, the Mouser ordeal happened before the rooftop battle with the Shredder, in which it was a water tower that finished the fight instead of a grenade. Also, with Shredder being an Utrom and all, 2k3 is definitely not comic-based by your logic.

Seriously.

gobo
12-16-2008, 01:28 PM
Now as for the second movie... It's based more so on the 80s show (and likewise the Archie TMNT comics)
Secret of the Ooze... Archie... How?? I see no relation between the two other than what came from TMNTA's cartoon adap roots.

Jester
12-16-2008, 05:28 PM
Actually no. If they wanted to make the first movie close to the Mirage comics, they could have played more true to the comics then. One example... The fight on the rooftop with Raph and the Foot.. That scene in the comics was actually Leo. The 2k3 series got it right, but the movie didn't.
And that's just one example.
There were also some problems with how they portrade the turtles' personalities, because again, if the movie was based off the comics, the personalities were a bit off then. Raph was the closest to his Mirage counterpart, but the other three were definetly off. Mikey isn't nearly as silly. Don is also more serious. And Leo is more stoic and shrewd. He wouldn't really squabble with Raph. He'd be more like "Okay, Raph.. You're doing that stupid thing again where you act like an idiot, so go out for your "fresh air" and come back when you smarten up". Leo also wouldn't just lunge at Shredder carelessly. He has way more tact in the comics. You can clearly see how successful his hits are in issue 1 of the Mirage comics.

I can go on, but I think the point got across.



Now as for the second movie... It's based more so on the 80s show (and likewise the Archie TMNT comics) rather than the Mirage comics this time, so for what it was, it was good, zany, cartoonish fun.
I also really really love Donatello in the second movie. He was way more outgoing and savvy and slick and charismatic and extremely witty than all the other versions of Don.
I think for the first and only time, Don's personality was so strong that he didn't need to be defined as the "smarty tech guy".
Hmm, I can see your points, but Goongasnootch also put it together fairly well.

As for me, the first TMNT movie trumps SotO because it is more closely related to the Mirage comics, but still integrates the Old Toon as well. SotO was way to kiddiefied, which makes it lose something for me as an adult, but the first movie has a more adult edge, and as an adult, I can find more and more subtly to the film and it's character portrayals.

As for Mikey, Donnie, and Leo being out of character, Donnie suffers the most for this. Mikey is as he appears in the cartoon, toned down a bit. Leo seemed right to me, but my Mirage experiences come more from the NT than the actual comics, but both Leos seem fairly similar and are based on the same sources...so...

I think part of your problem with Barron's film is that Leo story elements shift to Raph, but why does it matter that much? For the over all story it just made more sence for it to happen to Raph. And as for Leo lunging at Shredder, even the most skilled warrior would react with blind rage if they thought the person they faced slew their father in cold blood.