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Genesis
03-08-2012, 11:01 PM
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Well, not exactly, but recent rumours of a Dead or Alive-Virtua Fighter crossover have somewhat come true. Tecmo's Dead or Alive 5 will feature Akira Yuki.
In the DOA5 GDC Movie (http://youtu.be/nyP4KIZhjKQ), Akira appears in the middle of the video, fighting against Kasumi.
Tecmo's Official Dead or Alive 5 Website (http://teamninja-studio.com/doa5/)
Andriasang story from Famitsu (http://andriasang.com/con075/doa5_vf_characters/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed)
I learned about this from the VFDC forums (http://virtuafighter.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/316899/Akira%20appears%20in%20Tecmo%27s%20Dead), but I thought I'd share the news here and see if there are any Virtua Fighters among my fellow Turtles fans.
This can also act as a general discussion for DOA5 and Virtua Fighter 5: Final Showdown.
Had VF2 on the Sega Saturn and played 3 in the arcade as much as possible. Good to see Sega doing something with the characters again.
Genesis
03-09-2012, 04:52 PM
Well, it's not like this is the only thing going on in the Virtua realm. Virtua Fighter 5: Final Showdown is coming to XBox Live Arcade and PlayStation Network. Having played the game myself, I can tell you that it is absolutely worth downloading, once it releases this Summer.
I'm much more highly anticipating Final Showdown than Dead Or Alive 5, myself, but what specifically excites me about this crossover is that it should generate more attention to the Virtua Fighter series, which has fallen by the wayside in gamers' minds, since the release of VF5.
Also, rumour has it that SEGA is producing DOA5 (http://electronictheatre.co.uk/xbox360/xbox360-news/16851/sega-publish-dead-alive-5-virtua-fighters-akira-playable) (which may have been alluded to in the trailer by infusing Virtua Fighter gold into the 5 in the logo), which means that we may see much more polish and balance brought to this franchise that is so often bashed for its masher-friendly combat system.
TheCanadiandrome
03-10-2012, 03:24 PM
very cool! keep me posted of news, i'll be sure to check this thread
Genesis
03-10-2012, 06:39 PM
Dead Or Alive 5 May Have More Virtua Fighters (http://andriasang.com/con075/doa5_vf_characters/)
On that note, who else would you like to see playable from SEGA's roster? My vote goes to Kage, since, y'know, he's a ninja and all. Besides, I've always wanted to kick the crap out of Hayate with Kage-Maru.
For all we know, this isn't even alluding to more characters from Virtua Fighter. Perhaps someone from Fighting Vipers?
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Many thanks to MAtteoJHDY (http://virtuafighter.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/users/11433) for this wicked .gif!
TheCanadiandrome
03-10-2012, 10:32 PM
Dead Or Alive 5 May Have More Virtua Fighters (http://andriasang.com/con075/doa5_vf_characters/)
On that note, who else would you like to see playable from SEGA's roster? My vote goes to Kage, since, y'know, he's a ninja and all. Besides, I've always wanted to kick the crap out of Hayate with Kage-Maru.
For all we know, this isn't even alluding to more characters from Virtua Fighter. Perhaps someone from Fighting Vipers?
http://i.minus.com/ibwPfvEBfxSpqF.gif
Many thanks to MAtteoJHDY (http://virtuafighter.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/users/11433) for this wicked .gif!
Very cool!
Genesis
03-11-2012, 11:07 AM
You know - and this is entirely speculative, here - but in a way, this fits into the Virtua Fighter story. Akira only won the Second World Fighting Tournament, and every time he lost (in the First, Third and Fourth), he lost to Kage (because again, he's that awesome). Akira may have sought out the Dead Or Alive tournament as training against other practitioners of ninjutsu. It makes sense and suits his character.
Ninjinister
03-11-2012, 06:02 PM
Does VF really have a story? Almost nothing happens in the games. I know the stereotype is that "nobody plays fighters for the story" but you might as well enjoy the ride. However I've played all of the games but 5 and the only one with any semblance of a story was Animation for the Master System/Game Gear.
oldmanwinters
03-11-2012, 07:02 PM
Does VF really have a story? Almost nothing happens in the games. I know the stereotype is that "nobody plays fighters for the story" but you might as well enjoy the ride. However I've played all of the games but 5 and the only one with any semblance of a story was Animation for the Master System/Game Gear.
Believe it or not... it actually spawned an RPG game (http://virtuafighter.wikia.com/wiki/Virtua_Quest). Apparently, all those tournaments were just an elaborate front of a more devious plot.
Ninjinister
03-11-2012, 07:50 PM
Believe it or not... it actually spawned an RPG game (http://virtuafighter.wikia.com/wiki/Virtua_Quest). Apparently, all those tournaments were just an elaborate front of a more devious plot.
I completely forgot about Virtua Quest; I guess that's the other game I haven't played. Reading over that synopsis, though, it hardly looks canon.
Genesis
03-11-2012, 10:28 PM
It's canon-ish. Pretty much all of the story (of VF, not VQ) is told in the instruction manuals, which only maniacs like me read.
J6 (stands for Judgement 6) is a group of six corporations with evil intent. They host the World Fighting Tournament and send out invitations to those worthy to compete.
It's all a front for the Dural project. Dural serves as the Arcade Mode boss and is a cyborg designed to learn the different techniques of the Virtua Fighters, store their data, and become the ultimate killing machine, or whatever.
An early bit to the story was the kidnapping of Sarah Bryant. They turned her into their own assassin, but she is no longer under their control. They have other assassins, too, only two of which are ever met, let alone playable. Goh Hinogami, who is a ruthless SOB who seems to honestly love being an assassin, and Jean Kujo, who, like Sarah, is all brainwashed and such and has a significant relation to another character (Sarah and Jacky are siblings; Jean and Lion were childhood friends).
There are many models of Dural, but the "true" Dural was once Kage-Maru's mother, Tsukikage. Why she was specifically chosen is never revealed; a lot of the story is left to the players' imagination, which I think is the best way to handle it. Its subtlety is what makes it enjoyable to me. Virtua Fighter isn't one to beat you over the head with a quickly scribed story, but what it does tell is good enough as a backstory type of thing. I think it's successful in its purpose.
There's a lot more, but it's mostly nuances about the individual characters and how their personalities relate to their fighting style, as well as their relationships and motives in relation to each other.
The idea behind Virtua Quest was I guess to show what J6 would do with their fighting data in the future. They didn't seem to think much farther ahead than that for that particular game.
Peanut
03-11-2012, 10:45 PM
lawl fighting game stories.
lawl fighting game stories.
Aw, come on! MK's story was pretty good.
Genesis
03-11-2012, 11:36 PM
Aw, come on! MK's story was pretty good.I wholly disagree, but I encourage the positive attitude.
Well, I meant the 2011 game, not the old ones.
Genesis
03-12-2012, 05:25 AM
Well, that was basically a reboot, so that makes sense.
The Virtua Fighter story is only idly there. It exists for the sake of existing and is really only there for people with... excess enthusiasm.
Ninjinister
03-12-2012, 07:43 AM
Well, that was basically a reboot, so that makes sense.
The Virtua Fighter story is only idly there. It exists for the sake of existing and is really only there for people with... excess enthusiasm.
Well yeah. Everything you wrote above (save the VQ stuff?)... I know all of that, and really, it's not a whole heck of a lot. Some characters have literally the exact same story and motivation for like 3 games straight. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hatin' on VF - I wholly intend to get Final Showdown when it releases. It's just quite shallow when it comes to plot - which in the light of convoluted s**t like BlazBlue, isn't a bad thing.
I wholly disagree, but I encourage the positive attitude.
Story has always been one of MK's strong points, and the only points in which it started to get stupid was the poorly-written retcons of Deception and the complete mess of Armageddon. Oh, and Raiden being completely retarded in 2011.
As for DoA5...
I've always liked DoA, for reasons outside of the norm (boobs). DoA2 Hardcore was one of the first PS2 games I'd played - I think it was actually the second overall, and I had a blast. DoA4 got on my nerves a lot, though, with terrible AI and a functionally broken counter system. Dimensions restored my faith, however, and is actually my favorite of the entire series.
I really hope DoA5 doesn't fail to deliver.
Genesis
03-12-2012, 08:37 AM
Well yeah. Everything you wrote above (save the VQ stuff?)... I know all of that, and really, it's not a whole heck of a lot. Some characters have literally the exact same story and motivation for like 3 games straight. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hatin' on VF - I wholly intend to get Final Showdown when it releases. It's just quite shallow when it comes to plot - which in the light of convoluted s**t like BlazBlue, isn't a bad thing.
Story has always been one of MK's strong points, and the only points in which it started to get stupid was the poorly-written retcons of Deception and the complete mess of Armageddon. Oh, and Raiden being completely retarded in 2011.
As for DoA5...
I've always liked DoA, for reasons outside of the norm (boobs). DoA2 Hardcore was one of the first PS2 games I'd played - I think it was actually the second overall, and I had a blast. DoA4 got on my nerves a lot, though, with terrible AI and a functionally broken counter system. Dimensions restored my faith, however, and is actually my favorite of the entire series.
I really hope DoA5 doesn't fail to deliver.That's exactly what I meant about subtlety. It's not insanely original, but it gets the job done, and it leaves enough unsaid that it doesn't matter either way.
I enjoyed Dead Or Alive 2 on the Dreamcast, myself. My younger brother and I played the hell out of that game and bonded over the stories we made up for each of the characters. My favourite character has always been Ayane, but in DOA3, I was notably better with Hayate. I just liked the flow of the character. Speaking purely in gameplay and control terms, I think he had a much more ninja feel than Hayabusa, who always felt a little rigid, to me.
DOA4 I pretty much skipped; I felt it was a boring entry, and anyway, I had lost interest in fighters at that time. I never played Dimensions. What changes were made in Dimensions to improve upon the allegedly broken system in DOA4, and what similarities and differences can you tell between Dimensions and DOA5?
DOA5 will have to perform, now. Of course, there will be the hardcore VF fan who believes in no crossovers (aside from Fighters Megamix, we assume) and who will jump on any potential flaw, but even the sane Virtua players have a keen mind and enough attention to detail to spot a flawed control scheme or otherwise game-breaking problem. Putting Akira (and possibly others) in the game has potential to strengthen sales on both sides, but if they want the game to be as well-received as Final Showdown, they've gotta make it good.
Ninjinister
03-12-2012, 09:20 AM
Dimensions just flows better and the counter system is fixed so that it's not completely ridiculous. It plays more or less the same as previous games, but it's just well-rounded - plus it has the entire cast from every previous game (except Nicole from 4) and a new boss character. Strange that the best DoA so far not only is on a Nintendo system, but a Nintendo HANDHELD.
DoA5 is looking to be miles different, though. From what little footage we've seen so far, it looks like they're changing up a lot. Which in my book, is good. Change needs to happen. Sadly, the FGC is unyielding in this matter, and anything outside the norm scares them. It's the whole reason MvC3's X-Factor are and SFxT's Gems are so hated; someone tries something new, something different, maybe a little something to get noobs accustomed, and it's flat-out rejected for not being the same s**t in a new wrapper. Fighting games are enjoying its second renaissance, but things are getting mighty stale, and if the genre doesn't start evolving, it'll fizzle out again. Neckbeards need to get on the bus or get the hell outta town.
Genesis
03-12-2012, 01:55 PM
I can understand both perspectives. I have no desire to keep playing the same game with updated graphics and a jillion new characters that add nothing to the experience. At the same time, I know that changing too much to a series can screw up what made it great in the first place. It needs to have the same... energy, for lack of a better term.
Really, that's why I'm so excited for Final Showdown. Even though it largely sticks to the tried-and-true formula, there are a lot of changes to the flow of the game that, combined with all the crazy downloadable accessories and costume options, should do well to bring in new players and make people realise that Virtua Fighter is still king.
Well, perhaps not everyone will think that, specifically, but my point remains.
oldmanwinters
03-12-2012, 03:41 PM
Aw, come on! MK's story was pretty good.
I wholly disagree, but I encourage the positive attitude.
I love how both you guys are using ninjas as your profile pics, and making about the same pose, no less!
For a minute I thought they were different versions of Joe Musashi, but after second glance I'm thinking Ninja Gaiden's Ryu Hayabusa and VF's Kage-Maru.
Genesis
03-12-2012, 03:46 PM
Haha, yeah! And our avatars fit the discussion perfectly; I noticed that, earlier. I mean, maybe not the same pose, but they both involve arm-crossing, so I get'cha.
I love the Shinobi series, even the PS2 entry, so your Joe Musashi reference is certainly not lost on me.
My reason for having Kage as my avatar here in the Technodrome is basically the same as my reason for having Donatello as my avatar on the VFDC forums. Ninja. Relevance. An attempt to meet and chat with fans of both franchises, since they're my two big obsessions (well, those and Monster Hunter). I like to think I'm clever.
I just have Ryu on mine cuz he's my favorite video game ninja. Having grew up with playing the NES games, he's a big part of my VG experience.
Speaking of, who WOULDN'T want a Ryu vs. Kage fight in this crossover?
Genesis
03-12-2012, 06:14 PM
I just have Ryu on mine cuz he's my favorite video game ninja. Having grown up with playing the NES games, he's a big part of my VG experience.
Speaking of, who WOULDN'T want a Ryu vs. Kage fight in this crossover?I loved the original Ninja Gaiden. I like the new ones okay, but nothing will ever top the original, aside from maybe Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master, but within the Ninja Gaiden series? Not yet.
Yes, it's obvious which camp we each would take in that duel, but it still would/will be a great fight to... ahem, win.
I've seen a lot more people talk about having Aoi (strong reversals), Sarah (obvious reasons) than any of the respective ninja. Regardless, I think that this battle shall be realised, soon enough.
oldmanwinters
03-12-2012, 06:47 PM
I'd definitely pick Ryu over Kage. Why? Because with Ryu I could beat a whole army of military soldiers and demon hordes. But with Kage I couldn't even beat up that old man!
Now, Ryu Hayabusa Vs. Joe Musashi would be a much better fight! :lol:
Genesis
03-12-2012, 07:17 PM
Ah, yes, but it takes a wholly different sort of concentration to fight a single, skilled opponent, than take on hordes of enemies. Sure, Hayabusa has super ninja magic on his side, and while Kage has never fought demons to my knowledge, I'm not sure that Ryu wouldn't have quite a bit of trouble against Shun Di.
Kage-Maru is deadly, in the right hands.
Peanut
03-12-2012, 08:20 PM
I wholly disagree, but I encourage the positive attitude.
In comparison to whatever VF nonsense you're talking about, the MK story could win a f*cking Pulitzer.
Genesis
03-12-2012, 09:00 PM
A Trollitzer, perhaps.
oldmanwinters
03-12-2012, 09:07 PM
A Trollitzer, perhaps.
Nah, "Peanut" is no troll, he's just a long-time poster on these forums who pretty much embodies the spirit of the rules (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=326683&postcount=1) to the General Discussion/Video Games section.
:tcool:
Genesis
03-12-2012, 09:13 PM
Nah, I just mean that I'm leaving it at what I said, already. It felt as though he was baiting me into nerdrage, a common tactic, y'know.
Ninjinister
03-12-2012, 09:37 PM
So we've got, what... 5 confirmed returnees, 1 confirmed guest character... I wonder when they'll start showing some new characters.
Also: Who would you like to return the most? Personally, I'm hoping to see my main, La Mariposa, return.
Peanut
03-12-2012, 10:18 PM
a trollitzer, perhaps.
Hilarious!
Also: Who would you like to return the most? Personally, I'm hoping to see my main, La Mariposa, return.
Gotta go with Brad "Justin" Wong.
Genesis
03-13-2012, 12:13 AM
Hilarious!Shanks.
As for returning characters, both of the characters I use have already been confirmed, so while it doesn't matter to me either way, I will say that Christie should come back, but that's mainly because my bro really took to her in DoA3.
Speaking of, who WOULDN'T want a Ryu vs. Kage fight in this crossover?
I wouldn't even want a crossover.
Genesis
03-13-2012, 08:15 PM
I wouldn't even want a crossover.Fair point, but if you could clarify what you mean (such as Virtua Fighter retaining an imagined purity by not engaging in crossovers, or whether you outright dislike the recent swarm of crossover titles flooding the market, et cetera), I'd be most appreciative of your response as a source of fuel for the discussion at hand.
Peanut
03-13-2012, 08:18 PM
lawl u new bro?
The Stryker
03-13-2012, 08:31 PM
Wait. People actually like Virtua Fighter? Not as a joke?
Genesis
03-13-2012, 09:35 PM
Why you gotta be so gay, boy?
I'm pretty sure everything has its rabid fanbase somewhere.
The Stryker
03-14-2012, 02:44 PM
Why you gotta be so gay, boy?
http://i.imgur.com/X9TGQ.gif
I'm pretty sure everything has its rabid fanbase somewhere.
Sure. Like how some people like to rape horses. Doesn't make it right!
oldmanwinters
03-14-2012, 03:27 PM
I always thought Virtua Fighter's rabid fanbase was in Japan.
Genesis
03-14-2012, 07:39 PM
Sure. Like how some people like to rape horses. Doesn't make it right!Either you're a Tekken fanboy, or you really just love your own sense of humour, to make such an analogy.I always thought Virtua Fighter's rabid fanbase was in Japan.Virtua Fighter certainly has its dedicated fanbase outside of Japan, though it's nowhere near as culturally recognised as its Eastern counterpart. I'm just glad that SEGA acknowledges the series' potential over here (with the release of Final Showdown, not the DoA5 crossover). Petitions to bring the updates to VF5 into Western territories circled around since Virtua Fighter 5R, which was the first overhaul of 5's system.
Peanut
03-14-2012, 07:43 PM
Why you gotta be so gay, boy?
First and only warning. No.
If you must make a poorly attempted comeback call him a f*cking douche or a festering c*nt. Don't be sexist or racist. Sh*t ain't funny.
Genesis
03-14-2012, 07:51 PM
First and only warning. No.
If you must make a poorly attempted comeback call him a f*cking douche or a festering c*nt. Don't be sexist or racist. Sh*t ain't funny.Hey, man. My apologies. I understand that I misused the term, and I know it's no excuse that I do it fairly commonly among friends, nor does it make much difference that I myself am bisexual (though I don't mean to give TMI, here). I'll happily edit it out, if you'd like to remove the quote from your comment.
I'm a fan of festering c*nt, myself.
The Stryker
03-14-2012, 08:02 PM
So am I.
Not a fan of Tekken though. F*ck that ish.
Genesis
03-14-2012, 08:07 PM
Not a fan of Tekken though. F*ck that ish.Is there anything you have to add to the discussion, or is everything for teh lulz, with you?
I mean, I've never cared for Tekken, myself, but that's more or less irrelevant to this topic.
Peanut
03-14-2012, 09:09 PM
Hey, man. My apologies. I understand that I misused the term, and I know it's no excuse that I do it fairly commonly among friends, nor does it make much difference that I myself am bisexual (though I don't mean to give TMI, here). I'll happily edit it out, if you'd like to remove the quote from your comment.
It's cool. Just a heads up.
The Stryker
03-15-2012, 07:10 AM
Is there anything you have to add to the discussion, or is everything for teh lulz, with you?
I mean, I've never cared for Tekken, myself, but that's more or less irrelevant to this topic.
You brought up Tekken, dawg.
I've added my view on Virtua Fighter. I think it's dumb. There.
When it comes to fighters, VF pretty much gets overlooked a lot, and I can't blame them: It's just too generic for my tastes. I've had more fun with DOA by a longshot.
oldmanwinters
03-15-2012, 06:05 PM
As a long-time Sega fanboy, I almost view it as a duty to try out most of their 1st party titles with an open-mind.
Sadly, I can't say I've become a fan of Virtua Fighter. Part of its original appeal, besides being the first 3D fighter, was its "fighting simulation" quality. There weren't special moves like in Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat, just punches, kicks, grapples, blocks, etc. However, the fact that all fighters can jump about 20 feet in the air just seems so out of place to me.
SoulCalibur is my 3D fighter of choice. Well... that and the PowerStone series.
Genesis
03-15-2012, 07:44 PM
Those ridiculously high jumps ended some time ago, though. Like, back in VF4. Even so, I've hard all the general complaints: too stiff, generic characters, too technical/difficult, not enough story... while I take issue with each of those arguments, I won't go into what makes them inherently flawed... yet.
The point is that when it comes right down to it, it's really all just about feel. If at least one character flows right for you, you'll probably view it as a good fighting game. This is why I do my best to refrain from bashing on anything I dislike.
At any rate, the series definitely does get overlooked. While I had more fun with Dead or Alive when I was much younger, I became gradually less interested in it and remained apathetic to any new releases, even after I had gotten back into fighters. Virtua Fighter has more or less ensnared my attention within the genre, and it's pretty much stayed that way, since.
The only thing I can say is at least give Final Showdown a shot. I'll keep you guys posted as to when we can download the demo for the game before it releases. VF5:FS is way approachable. It's sharp and fast as the series has ever been, with a certain flow to the moves the series frankly has never seen. New players were picking it up incredibly quickly at Final Round XV, and when I tested some characters I don't know at all, I still found myself doing something, as opposed to helplessly trying out weird attack patterns to figure out the character.
TheCanadiandrome
03-16-2012, 12:07 AM
When it comes to fighters, VF pretty much gets overlooked a lot, and I can't blame them: It's just too generic for my tastes. I've had more fun with DOA by a longshot.
Ill take Tekken or Mortal Kombat
Hell, I'd take Primal Rage over Virtua Fighter. :P
TheCanadiandrome
03-16-2012, 12:11 AM
Hell, I'd take Primal Rage over Virtua Fighter. :P
Woah now there's a game I've not heard of in quite some time
Genesis
03-16-2012, 12:55 AM
Hell, I'd take Primal Rage over Virtua Fighter. :P:trolleye:
Killer Instinct, like Primal Rage, was very Mortal Kombat-ish in its presentation and control scheme.
Really, VF aside, I strongly prefer 2D fighters. Virtua Fighter is my big exception.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Truesonic/VF/th5233.gif (http://virtuadojo.blogspot.com)
He's so adorable!
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