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victory_angel
07-23-2013, 02:59 AM
I recently watched Ninja Turtles Fast Forward, and I found it interesting but at the same time lacking. And also somewhat hypocritical of itself.

For example they have moments where they tell Donatello that he's going to be one of the founders of O'Neil Tech, among other things that help benefit the world and man kind. And yet when we finally have one episode that could explain some of the things the turtles did to create that future. Splinter comes in and says that they shouldn't learn such things because it will effect the time stream.

:tgrumble:

First off they are already in the future...so doesn't that already effect the times stream.

And second of all, telling Donnie that he is going to be a instrumental figure in that future is okay. But letting the Turtles know how they created that future is not? :teek:

Okay okay, Donatello surpassing his brothers...that I can understand. But overshadowing them is a different can of worms.

And three, while I don't see the turtles actually getting married and having children the **traditional** way. I don't think they would pass on to the next world without leaving an heirs to carry on their legacy.

So I think to myself...what if this season could be rewritten? What if fans of the 2k3 series has to opportunity to revise the series the way they want.

Some of the changes i would have made are these:

Roles the other turtles and co would have in creating the future of 2105

Have the other turtles having their own influences in that future. We sort of see some influence with Mikey in the Clash of the Turtle Titans and how he was an inspiration to Silver Sentry's grandson.

Leo I can see being the one who organized and formed the peace keepers.

Mikey I can see becoming an actor or someone very influential in public media.

Raph unknown at this time...Possibly a guardian figure.

Splinter will also be an influential figure.

Things I would remove from the story

Triple-threat should be a one shot villain at best. There are annoying villains, there are dumb villains. But when it comes to villains who are both annoying and dumb Triple-threat takes the prize. The first time he shows up it's like "Okay?" Second time it's like "Seriously, this guy again?" and third time its "Oh you've gotta be kidding me!"

Eliminate Constable Biggles- Seriously this character is a walking stereotype.


Events that should occur

Since Cody was alone when the turtles meet him. Maybe Serling at one point mentions that Cody originally had several individuals as protectors (the heirs of the turtles) but Darius Dunn got rid of them because he felt they were a bad influence to Cody's well being.

Darius Dunn looks more into the history or O'Neil tech and realizes that if he eliminates Donatello from the time stream then O'Neil tech would never have existed.

The Big Bad
07-23-2013, 06:16 AM
Aside from overall improved execution and more diversity in characters--especially women, and I really think Cody should have been a girl--I think the thing I would have most appreciated would have been better world-building. Not necessarily dealing with stuff from previous seasons--I was fine with the series drawing a line and focusing almost entirely on all-new material--I wish that 2105 had actually been interesting, instead of just a new set.

I had no problem with the show making a distinction between knowing the broad strokes of the future and knowing the specific details. It's one thing to know that you'll somehow start a company at some unspecified moment in one's personal timeline. It's another thing entirely to know, for example, the specific details on how all your friends died, and knowing that you can do nothing about it. "The Journal" may not have made the best case for its stance, but it remains a perfectly sensible one.

ABrown
07-23-2013, 09:32 AM
The only thing I would've done differently is have Darius Dunn get arrested in the final FF episode. I really would've liked to know what happened to him.

victory_angel
07-23-2013, 11:56 AM
There was apparently going to be a second season of fast forward. But that was nixed due to low ratings.

CyberCubed
07-23-2013, 02:26 PM
Keep the same animation as the first seasons, drop "It's Ninja Time," and get rid of Triple Threats episodes and replace them with Space Usagi.

dkram230
07-23-2013, 03:01 PM
Ideally if they had the opportunity to do it over again they just wouldn't do it! The series was getting stale and the ratings, which were never very high to begin with, were falling. They needed something to shake things up and wanted to bring in more of that younger audience who had shied away due to the heavy/dark tone of the show. So they brightened up the color while "dumbing" it down with shallow villains, bad comedy, and poor scripting. The show lost its spirit this season causing older fans such as myself to walk away. Yet it was too little too late to pull in those younger fans from a society who just didn't care anymore. Usually when a cartoon does a long term time travel gimmick like this that means its on the way out. So I stopped watching, embarrassed for what this once great series had become. As a result, I missed out on the Back to the Sewers season which, from what I understand, was one of the series' best. I watched Turtles Forever when it aired which is probably when I discovered it. But by then it was too late for me. CURSE YOU Fast Forward!!!!

Galactus
07-23-2013, 03:56 PM
There was apparently going to be a second season of fast forward.

This is true.

But that was nixed due to low ratings.

This one (as far as I know) is not.

redsai4lex
07-23-2013, 04:52 PM
They should have not written FF at all in the way that they did. Even though it actually grew on me over time, the show itself had so much promising potential with numerous unused and undeveloped characters. Instead of writing FF, Season 6 should have focused more on "bringing back" previously undertaken threats.

- The Rat King (I, Monster)
Rat King promises the "audience" that he will haunt the Turtles' for many days to come, because "everyone fears the monster"!
-Just one example of many potentially unused 'story-arcs'...

Season 6 could have easily revisited threats from The Rat King, while episode fillers could have included some closure for the stories that never got any resolution whatsoever.

-Dragon's Brew (J.Finn, T9581)
-The Darkness Within (Necro Monster)

These are only a couple examples of what I'm talking about. If you think about it, go through the episode guide, and you will find even more...

ObiWanFan4life
07-23-2013, 04:55 PM
If they HAD to re-do it, have it be more like Batman Beyond or Tron: Uprising. Otherwise, just leave it be and let it die out.

redsai4lex
07-23-2013, 05:06 PM
There was apparently going to be a second season of fast forward. But that was nixed due to low ratings.

FF was originally only 13 episodes, but was extended with repeats until they added the "second" season. 13 more episodes were made to work with while including a couple episodic fillers in the season's chronology. Thus, FF ended up being 26 episodes lasting through 2 years of air time (2006- 2008 ). Because 26 episodes matches most of the other seasons in length, FF was considered to be 1 season altogether while 'BttS' (Season 7) fully intended on ending the show with only 13.

CyberCubed
07-23-2013, 06:15 PM
FF had many great episodes, if you were to cut out the weaker ones and make the animation the same as the earlier seasons it would have been fine.

Whatswiththeheadbands?
07-28-2013, 08:15 AM
have it a maximum of 5 episodes, maybe like turtles in space

miru
07-28-2013, 07:14 PM
Have April go to the future with the turtles.

Do another comic crossover, like Panda Khan.

DVD
07-28-2013, 07:27 PM
I don't think it would be redone.
I get the point of the post tho. So, if I were to have changed anything, it would be to have had Cody as a girl ( mirroring the April character ) thus keeping the dynamic within the characters the same.

That said, as this was my introduction to the 2K3 stuff, I liked it as it was. The opening was exciting and energetic, and I loved the vehicles .. I would have liked to see more vehicles, or more use of the steel wheel ( I got one a few months ago, and this is great ) !!

Coola Yagami
07-28-2013, 08:46 PM
Make it a 3-parter and leave it at that. It was uneccessary and a waste of time. Putting Serling in Back to the Sewers was a desperate attempt to show that Fast Forward still mattered.

shell4brains
07-28-2013, 08:50 PM
I might be one of the few, but I didn't mind FF. I liked the idea of bringing the turtles out of their normal setting, and putting them into something new and crazy. I don't remember much about the season story wise, other then the turtles go to the future and meet Casey and April's future descendant, so I guess that part wasn't very memorable. Some of the villians were pretty cool (Dark turtles? Sweet!), and the future looked pretty neat, though I wish we could've seen more of it. I do hope someone along the way decides it's worth revisiting, either in the IDW comics (a mini/spin off series?) or the Nick toon, cause personally, I think it's a concept worth delving into. You gotta admit, seeing how current events with the turtles might effect the future does sound pretty interesting.

Vivi
07-29-2013, 11:35 PM
Keep the same animation as the first seasons, drop "It's Ninja Time," and get rid of Triple Threats episodes and replace them with Space Usagi.

Holy seashells, I would have loved to have seen Space Usagi.

Donatello19
07-29-2013, 11:57 PM
Why redo it? IMO, it was a very lame and stupid idea anyway...that was most likely only made to sell more toys.

Jester
07-30-2013, 12:15 AM
Not so much a redo, but they really should have gone ahead with season 2.

Cowabunga Carl
07-30-2013, 12:26 AM
I'm with Jester, I think season two should have been done. It took it a little while to find its feet but it was not nearly as bad as people try to make it sound.

CyberCubed
07-30-2013, 01:30 AM
Why redo it? IMO, it was a very lame and stupid idea anyway...that was most likely only made to sell more toys.

The whole show was made to sell toys. That's what any children's cartoon is made for, the merchandize.

Just look at all the Nick merchandize licensing.

victory_angel
12-19-2013, 03:39 AM
So anyone else feel this season needs a fan re-write

Breadcrab
01-08-2014, 01:31 AM
Maybe I'm just a sucker for pulp sci-fi, but I didn't mind Fast Forward.

In fact, having rewatched a few episodes recently, I dare say it does a few things... *puts up flame shield* ...better than the 2K3 series.

*Breadcrab's house gets barraged by missiles*

At least, I found the comedy was a bit better, since I actually chuckled at quite a few lines. I also genuinely liked the turtles' redesigns. Their angular style looked sleek and consistent IMO. The action scenes were still exciting, the plots were paced well enough, and I feel they made an honest effort at introducing new, if not entirely groundbreaking, villains. (Jammerhead = The Joker, Viral = Inque, etc)

Of course, I'll always readily admit it had problems. Cody was an extremely bland character who had basically nothing to do. A lot of the vehicles, gadgets, etc were blatant attempts to sell toys, no doubts about it. A lot of the characters were caricatures/stereotypes. There were definitely instances of dumb or lazy writing (how many times is Raph going to fall for Zixx's extremely obvious holograms?!). Also, the need for the turtles to wear some kind of gravity-modulating whatnot bracers was a puzzling choice indeed. Was that even used as a plot point beyond the first episode? Seems to me like a "no really, the toys have redesigns for a reason! Honest!" excuse.

However, I think the biggest missed opportunity was in the setting itself. The future of 2105 was excessively cheery and saccharine to the point where it didn't seem like there was much crime at all. Not to mention the turtles could walk the streets freely, all of their old enemies were either dead or turned into allies (Bishop, Triceratons), and the city generally seemed clean and organized. One of the biggest crimes was the Street Phantoms trying to steal... video games. Yeah, that's some life-threatening s*** right there.

Basically, there was little sense of urgency or threat. Sure, there was the Sh'okanabo business and Darius' schemes, but I remember those coming slowly and gradually, hardly seeming like edge-of-your-seat plot elements.

Compare Fast Forward's future setting to those of Batman Beyond and Samurai Jack, for example. The latter are oppressive, bleak dystopias filled with corrupt individuals and societal tensions, but that's what makes them so immersive and ripe for story conflict. In contrast, Fast Forward's relatively problem-free world feels like one made for a sitcom rather than an action show. The grimy New York of 2K3 felt like it needed the turtles. 2105... not so much, I'm afraid.

But hey, maybe that's me looking too much into it. As I said, I enjoyed the show on some level, and I genuinely think it had a good concept at its core. Maybe if they decide to remake/revisit it someday with the intent to tell a story rather than to sell toys, they just might have something great.

Shiro Kame
01-08-2014, 06:28 AM
I would've made it more cyberpunk/biopunk like Batman Beyond, give the Inuwashi Gunjin more and personality, given the Dark Turtles more limelight, develop Cody's personality a little more, have Darius get his just deserts in the final episode, made sure that Torbin Zixx went to jail, possibly bring in Space Usagi, and would have made DEFINITELY sure that there would be doubts that the turtles would get back to the present with Cody not mentioning anything like Don helping to create O'Neil Tech.

Bossa Nova
01-08-2014, 02:35 PM
I feel like I already sufficiently answered this question in another thread on the second page, but I'll include it here as well.

I probably would have introduced the Dark Turtles way earlier and given them a much more extensive plot, as well as actually wrapping up what happened to them. Of all the villains introduced this season they were by far the most interesting and could very well have been the main villains of the entire season, especially since they had a lot of potential for growth and ultimately redeeming themselves. Or, use their introduction in the first season and gone ahead with a second season where they were of a much bigger focus.

I also would have liked to have seen some one on one interaction between Don and Bishop. We never really get to see Don deal with the aftermath of his second mutation, and one could argue Don having to not only see, but work for Bishop after what he did is pretty messed up. It's a topic I would have liked to see addressed in at least one episode.

As for characters I could do without, that would go to Jammerhead and Triple Threat. Ugly, boring and annoying. I wouldn't get rid of Cody or Starlee, but I do think their characters could have done with some tweaking. I actually like how Cody was pretty sheltered, as it actually gave the turtles a chance to be the ones in charge when it came to exploring the streets like the average person. If Cody had already known about all these things I think it would have taken some of the fun out it, like when they visited the theater. Starlee's design could have been completely done over, and altogether I wouldn't mind if BOTH of them were older. I suppose I can swallow that since Starlee is an alien her intelligence level might be higher than the average humans, but after awhile it felt like all of this amazing technology was being built by children. Still, I wouldn't have minded if they were at least in the early to mid twenties like Casey and April. Oh, and the Inuwashi Gunjin...what was even their point again?

Still, despite my nit-picks, I genuinely really liked this entire season and for all it's flaws I don't think it's NEARLY as terrible as a lot of the fanbase (at least on these boards) like to make it seem.

TheBlueTurtle1
01-11-2014, 04:36 AM
I feel like I already sufficiently answered this question in another thread on the second page, but I'll include it here as well.

I probably would have introduced the Dark Turtles way earlier and given them a much more extensive plot, as well as actually wrapping up what happened to them. Of all the villains introduced this season they were by far the most interesting and could very well have been the main villains of the entire season, especially since they had a lot of potential for growth and ultimately redeeming themselves. Or, use their introduction in the first season and gone ahead with a second season where they were of a much bigger focus.

I also would have liked to have seen some one on one interaction between Don and Bishop. We never really get to see Don deal with the aftermath of his second mutation, and one could argue Don having to not only see, but work for Bishop after what he did is pretty messed up. It's a topic I would have liked to see addressed in at least one episode.

As for characters I could do without, that would go to Jammerhead and Triple Threat. Ugly, boring and annoying. I wouldn't get rid of Cody or Starlee, but I do think their characters could have done with some tweaking. I actually like how Cody was pretty sheltered, as it actually gave the turtles a chance to be the ones in charge when it came to exploring the streets like the average person. If Cody had already known about all these things I think it would have taken some of the fun out it, like when they visited the theater. Starlee's design could have been completely done over, and altogether I wouldn't mind if BOTH of them were older. I suppose I can swallow that since Starlee is an alien her intelligence level might be higher than the average humans, but after awhile it felt like all of this amazing technology was being built by children. Still, I wouldn't have minded if they were at least in the early to mid twenties like Casey and April. Oh, and the Inuwashi Gunjin...what was even their point again?

Still, despite my nit-picks, I genuinely really liked this entire season and for all it's flaws I don't think it's NEARLY as terrible as a lot of the fanbase (at least on these boards) like to make it seem.

I agree, the Dark Turtles were wasted a bit, like you said should have been introduced within the first 6 episodes.

MsMarvelDuckie
01-11-2014, 07:17 PM
The whole show was made to sell toys. That's what any children's cartoon is made for, the merchandize.

Just look at all the Nick merchandize licensing.


To quote Yogurt from Spaceballs: "Merchandising! That's where the REAL money from the movie is made!" (Or TV show, in this case.)

Mel Brooks hit the nail on the head, there. And we actually have Star Wars to thank for that, as it was the first franchise to really go that route of having a multitude of tie-in merchandise.

As for what I'd do to "Fix" the FF season- I'd probably have added a few more eps with the Dark Turtles, given Viral a bigger role as one of the primary villains, and probably cut out the other two Triple-Threat eps after the first.

turtlefanforever
01-13-2014, 07:16 PM
Where the voice overs and some of the animation was done and it was actually put into an episode on but not fully developed. Did anyone ever actuAlly finish it fully? Like color and everything.

deathtojohnny
01-16-2014, 08:36 PM
I would've had Renet notice the turtles being misplaced and have her return them home or something connecting to Renet and Lord Simultaneous.

victory_angel
04-15-2016, 03:47 PM
Fast Foward could have been a great series if they had only rewritten it instead of having a "Turtles are in the Future...hijinks ensue." type plot.

If I could rewrite Fast Forward series.

First season will consist of the Turtles arrival in the future and meeting Cody. Much of the first season would consist of the Turtles learning about that future world and how they influenced it's creation.

Darius Dunn would be a reoccurring villain who is greatly annoyed to see the Turtles living with Cody. And there would be more development with the aspect of Cody being an orphan.

In the past O'Neil tech had bought out a company that had been run by Darius's grandfather called Dunn Inc. While the merger was a unanimously accepted decision. Darius often felt his grandfather had been a fool to surrender his business to the young tech company and he saw the philanthropic aspects of O'Neil tech a waste of money and resources.

His older brother meet and falls in love with the grandaughter of Casey and April Jones. The two of them marry and have a son named Cody.
Legally Dunn could not become the head of O'Neil tech if there wasn't an apparent heir. With Cody's birth Dunn seizes an opportunity by tricking his brother into signing a forged will in testament to leave Darius as legal guardian of Cody should anything befall him. Then arranges the murder of his brother and sister in law in a tragic accident that also claimed the life of several people.

Since Cody was too young to take up his role as CEO of O'Neil tech, Dunn is appointed active head until Cody becomes eighteen. And uses his power and influence to control his nephew all the while running shady dealings (Weapons smuggling and such) under the guise of philanthropic pursuits in the O'Neil tech name.

Knowing the presence of the Turtles would break what control he has over Cody, Dunn tries to convince his nephew that the Turtles aren't a good influence on his young mind. And tries to get his nephew to see this by framing the Turtles for crimes they didn't commit. Fabricated footage of the Turtles attempting to sabotage O'Neil Tech, and other things. But Cody doesn't believe any of it. Cody also doesn't really believe the Turtles when they try to convince him that his uncle may not be the man he wants him to believe.

There is also a character referred to as the mysterious turtle. This person often just observes and assists from a distance but occasionally jumps in to save Cody or the Turtles from danger.


The second season would have had Sh'okanabo and Viral as major villains in addition to Dunn, and introduce the Dark Turtles. The Mysterious Turtle is revealed to be a much older version of Donatello who is the only remaining ninja turtle left. The only reason he hasn't been revealing himself to them before is because he isn't really supposed to meet with his younger self. He also informs the other Turtles more about how things were going on in their history. And this is where it is mentioned that Donatello also had been a founder of O'Neil tech which was more of an in-house secret then public knowledge. Future Don explains that he knew what Dunn had been doing all this time. While he can not stand against Dunn against his own, he was not going to just stand by and let Dunn ruin everything he and April have created long ago. Season ends with the death of Kanabo and Viral. Dunn is ousted as CEO but escapes before he is arrested.

Season three

Dunn learns Donnie is the a lynchpin for this future verse, and if he is eliminated O'Neil tech would never have been founded and Cody would never be born. Future Donatello notes that Dunn is deliberately attacking his younger-self. Dunn is defeated and taken into custody, but Future Don is mortally wounded and soon passes away to join his brothers and friends in the next world.

Cody's time window is finally fixed enabling the Turtles to return to their time. Donatello informs his brothers that when they enter all memory of the stuff they experience in that future verse will be erased so that they don't affect its existence.

neatoman
04-15-2016, 03:59 PM
Well IDW has already brought back Darius and the Street Phantoms, so let's see what they'll do with characters and concepts from Fast Forward.

Xav
04-15-2016, 10:04 PM
Somehow tie the turtles going to the future to Renet. Perhaps she sends them there by accident. Have the turtles find out what happened to them. Maybe they died in battle. Have a futuristic version of the Foot Clan. Perhaps they could be good this time. Actually show what happens to Stockman when he finally gets his body back. Have the Inuwashi Gunjin have individual names and personalizes. Spend less time on filler villains like Jammerhead and Triple Threat.
This one (as far as I know) is not.So why cancel a show with good ratings? Season two sounded interesting with old characters returning like Ch'rell, Leatherhead, Mortu and Stockman. As well as Space Usagi Dunn building robot turtles and the Dark Turtles turning good. Why pass all that up for a half-a-season which they didn't even bother making toys for?

CyberCubed
04-15-2016, 10:49 PM
From what I remember a FF Season 2 was only going to be 10 episodes long, so it wasn't even going to be a full season.

Fishface
04-16-2016, 03:02 AM
Probably more episodes with more one off villains

Jephael
04-24-2016, 12:16 AM
I kinda wish they had done what IDW's Turtles in Time did and show an elderly version of Donatello being the sole surviving member of the Ninja Turtles, but living in Northampton or Japan. I once wrote a fan fiction about it, but for some reason or another I tossed it out the window.

Whatswiththeheadbands?
04-26-2016, 05:51 PM
I kinda wish they had done what IDW's Turtles in Time did and show an elderly version of Donatello being the sole surviving member of the Ninja Turtles, but living in Northampton or Japan. I once wrote a fan fiction about it, but for some reason or another I tossed it out the window.

That's not a bad idea. Maybe that could be linked to 'Same As It Never Was'?.

Chopperface
05-02-2016, 01:46 PM
I personally never cared for Jammerhead except in the first episode (when it was strongly implied he was doing human trafficking) and the Body Snatcher episode because of how priceless it was. "Excuse me, I have to go to the potty." I'd remove him from the series... well, that really means just removing the episode of him with Starlee's family.

I think Fast Forward gets an overly bad rep at times. Yeah, it was a step down but we still had arcs, we still had character development, we still had some serious scenarios. I can't think of too much off of the top of my head that I'd redo. But I'd certainly add in an extra few episodes so that the plot with Darius and the Dark Turtles could be resolved. I LOVED the two-parter where Darius was exposed and nearly killed Cody on his way out.