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CyberCubed
08-12-2014, 09:04 PM
Man...what could have been. This is when the movie news was originally announced back in 2009, which was even before they announced the sale to Nick:

http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/movie-news-john-fusco.html

By now, you may have already heard about or read the news in "Variety" about the writer chosen for the new TMNT movie project, John Fusco. Here's the official release:

"JOHN FUSCO TO WRITE SCREENPLAY FOR
“TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES” MOTION PICTURE

Veteran Hollywood Scribe to Write Screenplay for Film Scheduled for 2011 Release

Los Angeles, CA (July 21, 2009) — TMNT Productions, in association with Mirage Studios, has signed veteran screenwriter John Fusco to create the script for the upcoming live-action Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theatrical film targeted for release in 2011. Fusco joins the creative team with producers Scott Mednick (“300,” “Superman Returns”) and Galen Walker (“TMNT”) to re-tell the origin story of the legendary foursome of the characters co-created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.

Fusco brings a unique perspective to the classic property, with credits ranging from the original “Young Guns” and its sequel to "Hidalgo" and last year's "The Forbidden Kingdom" starring Jet Li and Jackie Chan. He also recently completed the script for a contemporary version of the classic "Seven Samurai" for The Weinstein Company.

In addition to his film industry credits, Fusco brings years of martial arts training and inspiration to the new screenplay. His interest in Korean martial arts began at age 12, and his passion continues today through ongoing study of Shaolin Kung Fu as well as the history and culture behind these ancient practices.

"It is always exciting when you can come aboard a project that bridges the worlds of what you do with what you love,” said Fusco. “I have always been a fan of the Turtles and the world of martial arts is my lifelong passion. I look forward to this great opportunity."

“John brings to our team the perfect blend of talent, expertise and enthusiasm for the property and the genre,” said Mednick. "We are committed to bringing to the screen a vital, vibrant and contemporary effort that is the next chapter in this venerable franchise."

“Working with the original comics created by Peter Laird and Kevin Eastman will allow both the new and first generations of fans to experience the Turtles in a whole new light,” said Walker. “Tapping into the rich of history of these heroic and loved brethren should prove to be a phenomenal collaborative adventure for us all.”

“From the first stages of planning this movie, we were committed to finding a group of the most passionate, creative and experienced individuals, who appreciated the history and myth of the TMNT, to craft a new vision of the Turtles for Mirage to share with current fans and to captivate a whole new generation,” said Gary Richardson CEO, Mirage Studios.

Announcement of Fusco’s role comes as the Turtles’ 25th Anniversary “Shell-ebration” culminates its cross-country tour at San Diego Comic-Con where Fusco, Mednick and Walker will join Turtles co-creator Kevin Eastman and Steve Barron (director of the original 1990's film) and others on a panel to discuss the project and the history of the property on Friday, July 24.

Peter Laird, Gary Richardson, Frederick Fierst, Eric Crown and Napoleon Smith III will serve as executive producers of the film. The project is being funded through Lightbox Productions, LLC.

Imagine if they went with the original directors with Peter Laird was executive producer? We would have gotten a billion times better movie than what we got.

It makes me sad knowing what could have been.

Leolead
08-12-2014, 09:06 PM
Remember that head mannequin?

Slap-Happy
08-12-2014, 09:07 PM
Remember that head mannequin?
No, because there was none.

Xiewin
08-12-2014, 09:08 PM
Man...what could have been. This is when the movie news was originally announced back in 2009, which was even before they announced the sale to Nick:

http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/movie-news-john-fusco.html



Imagine if they went with the original directors with Peter Laird was executive producer? We would have gotten a billion times better movie than what we got.

It makes me sad knowing what could have been.

Didn't they sell the rights to Nick? If so, isn't that entirely their fault?

But yeah I wish they could have used John Fusco's script. It was probably was a billion times better than the movie we already got.

Ughh is there anyway to persuade these PD idiots to change the writers and the director? Seeing how all this potential was wasted is starting to make me desperate.

Warhorse
08-12-2014, 09:19 PM
Man...what could have been. This is when the movie news was originally announced back in 2009, which was even before they announced the sale to Nick:

http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/movie-news-john-fusco.html



Imagine if they went with the original directors with Peter Laird was executive producer? We would have gotten a billion times better movie than what we got.

It makes me sad knowing what could have been.

Well, I may get a lot of hate for this, but could'ves, would'ves and should'ves are useless now, especially when it's Laird's fault for selling the property outright where he now has 0 control what will happen to it.

And, I think Nick got the franchise at a ridiculously low price. If it were me, I would have been charging like 100 million, per Turtle.

Casey
08-12-2014, 09:26 PM
A black and white, live-action, stylized, martial arts focused turtle flick based on Mirage. Whoa.

If it worked for other graphic novels, why not this one? I'd have even settled for a Watchmen esque film.

CyberCubed
08-12-2014, 09:26 PM
And, I think Nick got the franchise at a ridiculously low price. If it were me, I would have been charging like 100 million, per Turtle.

Laird said Nick offered the highest price. There was another company he didn't name that offered to buy the turtles but he said their price was "insulting and laughable" which is why he didn't sell it to them. So Nick must have offered the best.

TurtleTitan97
08-12-2014, 09:32 PM
Hopefully some day Fusco's script will leak online somehow. Would be fun to read what he wrote for this film.

Warhorse
08-12-2014, 09:35 PM
Laird said Nick offered the highest price. There was another company he didn't name that offered to buy the turtles but he said their price was "insulting and laughable" which is why he didn't sell it to them. So Nick must have offered the best.

I wish I knew it was for sale, I would have offered 200 million.

ShellShock
08-12-2014, 09:37 PM
Holy ****, this movie has really been in production for a while! Since it mentions the fact that it's funded through LightBox Productions and since the producers were a few of the producers for the finished product this must mean that Paramount didn't ditch the John Fusco version but instead just evolved it.

TurtleTitan97
08-12-2014, 09:39 PM
Holy ****, this movie has really been in production for a while! Since it mentions the fact that it's funded through LightBox Productions and since the producers were a few of the producers for the finished product this must mean that Paramount didn't ditch the John Fusco version but instead just evolved it.

What do you mean? None of the producers listed had any involvement with the new film.

CyberCubed
08-12-2014, 09:41 PM
The deal for a film came in early 2009, which was before the sale to Nick even.

ShellShock
08-12-2014, 09:43 PM
What do you mean? None of the producers listed had any involvement with the new film.

Galen Walker and Scott Mednick were credited as producers for the 2014 movie.

sdp
08-12-2014, 09:48 PM
That movie would've been great, but oh well I'm sure we'll get a great movie eventually but this new take we got wasn't that bad and far better than the 2007 film that we got when Mirage was in charge, let's not fool ourselves, it's not like the original plan from that interview couldn't have changed a lot or maybe even never been made.

Powder
08-12-2014, 09:50 PM
Holy ****, this movie has really been in production for a while! Since it mentions the fact that it's funded through LightBox Productions and since the producers were a few of the producers for the finished product this must mean that Paramount didn't ditch the John Fusco version but instead just evolved it.

It wasn't "evolved" at all, it was straight up scrapped for being "too dark & violent". Kevin Eastman was quoted as saying it would have been the best TMNT movie ever made.

NYShell
08-13-2014, 12:31 AM
Didn't they sell the rights to Nick? If so, isn't that entirely their fault?

It definitely is.

Candy Kappa
08-13-2014, 12:43 AM
Remember that head mannequin?

You mean that one make-up & Effects student's final project that was mistaken to be official work?

Yes, I do remember it, a fine piece of craftsmanship, and had nothing to do with the movie.

Prowler
08-13-2014, 03:21 AM
Back when we thought we were going to get a mature TMNT movie based on Mirage? Yea, I remember. It did get many of us fairly excited.

I also remember the day it was announced that Nick had acquired TMNT.

MrTMNT2012
08-13-2014, 06:02 AM
Seemed like they were more interested in making good martial arts scenes rather than an actual movie.

d_osborn
08-13-2014, 07:01 AM
Yeah, I'm REALLY hoping the Fusco script leaks out.

Bry
08-13-2014, 07:11 AM
It wasn't "evolved" at all, it was straight up scrapped for being "too dark & violent". Kevin Eastman was quoted as saying it would have been the best TMNT movie ever made.

If anyone needs me I'm gonna be screaming forever.

:tmad:

ShellShock
08-13-2014, 07:22 AM
While I'm content with how the new movies are, I wouldn't mind seeing one based off the Mirage comics though it'll probably never happen because of Nickelodeon owning TMNT now.

CyberCubed
08-13-2014, 10:16 AM
While I'm content with how the new movies are, I wouldn't mind seeing one based off the Mirage comics though it'll probably never happen because of Nickelodeon owning TMNT now.

We got a Mirage based movie when the Fred Wolf TMNT was at the height of its popularity so never say never.

Warhorse
08-13-2014, 03:14 PM
We got a Mirage based movie when the Fred Wolf TMNT was at the height of its popularity so never say never.

I think they mean black and white, hard corer, that kind of thing. No Leo just slicing a cut in Shredder's arm, but him cutting his head clean off!

tmntpower2k14
08-13-2014, 05:23 PM
I think they mean black and white, hard corer, that kind of thing. No Leo just slicing a cut in Shredder's arm, but him cutting his head clean off!

Bad ass.

Remember reading this interview in 2009. Hard to believe it's been 5 years ago already. This would've been a really cool, dark, visceral movie ... but with Nick getting the rights?

I don't think it's an actual movie that could unite new fans, children, adults, old school fans and prosper. It would be alienating.

Just like the '90 movie which combined elements of Mirage, and '87 Wolf toon. Found a good balance. I feel the new 2k14 movie does the same to it's best abilities to combine IDW, and the Nick toon.

slingtheory
08-13-2014, 06:01 PM
Yeah I remember reading the annoucement and being hyped about what sounded like it would be the best tmnt movie ever. Words cannot express how much I wish laird would've just seen to it that this movie got made before he sold the rights. All I hope now is that someday ill get the chance to read fuscos script that paramount rejected.

Bob
08-13-2014, 06:17 PM
I also want to read that script.

pennydreadful
08-13-2014, 06:36 PM
Ditto; this would've been fantastic to see. I guess we'll just have to hope for a script leak at this stage. :tconfuse:

Coola Yagami
08-13-2014, 06:43 PM
Seemed like they were more interested in making good martial arts scenes rather than an actual movie.

Seeing that we didn't get either in the movie we got... at least this would have been half right.

CyberCubed
08-13-2014, 06:58 PM
Also if I remember correctly the new movie wasn't intended to be a reboot, but a loose continuity of the old movies in the same way the 2007 movie was.

d_osborn
08-13-2014, 07:34 PM
Also if I remember correctly the new movie wasn't intended to be a reboot, but a loose continuity of the old movies in the same way the 2007 movie was.
That's the first I've heard of that. Are you sure you aren't thinking of the old Hallmark miniseries that was going to be directed by Barron?

I have acquaintance that has read the Fusco script and they didn't say a word about it being an continuation of the old movies.

Radical Raph
08-14-2014, 05:40 AM
Man...what could have been. This is when the movie news was originally announced back in 2009, which was even before they announced the sale to Nick:

http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/movie-news-john-fusco.html



Imagine if they went with the original directors with Peter Laird was executive producer? We would have gotten a billion times better movie than what we got.

It makes me sad knowing what could have been.
We might have gotten turtles that actually used martial arts.

Bry
08-14-2014, 07:35 AM
Just in case you weren't disappointed enough in what we actually got, here's something Tristan Jones posted on his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/tyrannosaurusj/posts/1483908041851686):

I remember about five years ago talking to Gary Richardson about the script for the pre-Bay TMNT movie -- the one we probably would've got before Bay got involved -- and there was this great idea that tied Splinter's knowledge of martial arts to martial arts based on the movements of animals. I remember really loving this idea, and how it reinforced the bond between Hamato Yoshi and Splinter pre-mutation, and how it did so much to reinforce a sense of mysticism in that world without really doing much at all AND made the "rat knows ninja stuffs" idea probably the most palatable it's been since the first Mirage comic (which was just "here it is, take it or leave it").

Now Splinter just learns it from a book he finds in the sewers. Because sure.

Sigh...

How perfect would that have been!?

AUGH, PLATINUM DUUUUNES! :tmad:

Lou 500
08-14-2014, 09:01 AM
Don't a lot of martial artists take the inspiration of their moves from animals? I agree, Yoshi learning from Splinter is a lot easier to digest.

slingtheory
08-14-2014, 10:26 AM
I have acquaintance that has read the Fusco script and they didn't say a word about it being an continuation of the old movies.did he share any more info about it? Like about the story or tone or anything? I heard it decribed as being similar to batman begins in tone and id love to know how true that is.

jenna
08-14-2014, 11:07 AM
Aww maaaan. This would have been amazing. Platinum Dunes should take note.

Bry
08-14-2014, 11:45 AM
Aww maaaan. This would have been amazing. Platinum Dunes should take note.

This project is what eventually "evolved" (to put it way too nicely) into the Platinum Dunes movie, right? You'd figure all the early notes, drafts and whatnot would have been available to them.

Then again, the second Bay and PD got involved I'm sure they threw it all out and went straight for "mind-numbingly stupid". That's their whole house style.

graphic_content
08-14-2014, 12:22 PM
the one thing I respect about Fusco, is that, in addition to being a writer, he is a martial artist - I remember reading an article about his script for Forbidden Kingdom, and the directors, and producers were shocked about how much detail he went into when describing fights, going so far as to suggest specific styles and strikes, which is generally the role of the director working with the lead fight choreographer.

but for me, his dialogue has never been too engaging. but to each, his (her) own.

jenna
08-14-2014, 12:28 PM
This project is what eventually "evolved" (to put it way too nicely) into the Platinum Dunes movie, right? You'd figure all the early notes, drafts and whatnot would have been available to them.

Then again, the second Bay and PD got involved I'm sure they threw it all out and went straight for "mind-numbingly stupid". That's their whole house style.

My fantasy is that PD will recognise from the huge opening weekend that there is a real appetite for Ninja Turtles, but also that declining figures suggest that fans deserve better in the way of quality, which would lead to a rethink for the sequel and of course a more sustainable success at the good old box office.

Wishful thinking, I know....

Warhorse
08-14-2014, 03:12 PM
My fantasy is that PD will recognise from the huge opening weekend that there is a real appetite for Ninja Turtles, but also that declining figures suggest that fans deserve better in the way of quality, which would lead to a rethink for the sequel and of course a more sustainable success at the good old box office.

Wishful thinking, I know....

This. The movie is obviously dropping like a rock, indicating that the massive opening showed that people still love and are interested in a TMNT movie, but next weekend, with the possibility of a 60 to 70 percent drop, and that GOTG might over take it this weekend shows that people just don't care for a TMNT movie that is poorly constructed.

d_osborn
08-14-2014, 03:55 PM
did he share any more info about it? Like about the story or tone or anything? I heard it decribed as being similar to batman begins in tone and id love to know how true that is.
Yeah, Eastman mentioned the Batman Begins thing. What Bry posted above is pretty much what I know about it. I would LOVE to read this thing!

This project is what eventually "evolved" (to put it way too nicely) into the Platinum Dunes movie, right? You'd figure all the early notes, drafts and whatnot would have been available to them.

Then again, the second Bay and PD got involved I'm sure they threw it all out and went straight for "mind-numbingly stupid". That's their whole house style.
I could be wrong about this, but from what I understand, some writer(s) were brought in to lighten up the Fusco draft (maybe Marcum/Holloway). Once Nemec and Appelbaum were brought on, it was a page one rewrite.

CyberCubed
08-14-2014, 06:07 PM
Wasn't the movie going to be loosely based on City at War? Karai was supposed to be in it and Shredder would be "dead" from the beginning of the movie.

thebrownranger
08-14-2014, 06:11 PM
Man...what could have been. This is when the movie news was originally announced back in 2009, which was even before they announced the sale to Nick:

http://plairdblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/movie-news-john-fusco.html



Imagine if they went with the original directors with Peter Laird was executive producer? We would have gotten a billion times better movie than what we got.

It makes me sad knowing what could have been.
Yeah, I actually agree with you on this. The 2014 film was such a wasted opportunity. It's things like this that makes me wish Laird never sold the rights to the franchise to Nick.

d_osborn
08-14-2014, 10:30 PM
Also if I remember correctly the new movie wasn't intended to be a reboot, but a loose continuity of the old movies in the same way the 2007 movie was.
Dude, you were right! I have GOT to read this script. From Laird's blog--

"Actually, I just talked to Gary Richardson today about this subject, and he recalls that the proposed movie was NOT going to be a direct sequel to the 2007 "TMNT", but instead was going to be a sequel to the first live-action movie, and -- as he remembers -- ignoring movies 2 and 3. That could have been fun! -- PL"

Netkeeper
08-14-2014, 10:50 PM
Wasn't the movie going to be loosely based on City at War? Karai was supposed to be in it and Shredder would be "dead" from the beginning of the movie.
You've got me whimpering like a puppy over here. I would have LOVED something like that.

Leolead
08-14-2014, 10:57 PM
No, because there was none.

Ugh.. whatever you say :roll:

for a while this was rumored to be the way the Turtles looked.

d_osborn
08-14-2014, 11:10 PM
...for a while this was rumored to be the way the Turtles looked.
That was fan art.

http://uproxx.com/gammasquad/2010/04/correction-the-ninja-turtle-mask-is-awesome-fan-art/

Leolead
08-14-2014, 11:12 PM
That was fan art.

http://uproxx.com/gammasquad/2010/04/correction-the-ninja-turtle-mask-is-awesome-fan-art/
That's why I said rumored.

d_osborn
08-14-2014, 11:27 PM
It was rumored for a single day, if that, before being confirmed as fan art. I'll give you that.