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tmntpower2k14
08-13-2014, 05:19 PM
Seems like the '87 Wolf toon, and the 2012 Nick toon seem to be the peaks of the franchise in terms of popularity, and quality. As we can seen by their box office number off spring.

2012 and Nick brought a resurgence to the property with new fans, as well as a heavy dose of nostalgia for those who grew up with the property.

I ask, why is it the 2003 series didn't get a big budget, serious live action treatment the way the bookend cartoon series did? Was it not as well liked ... Not as good as either of the other two previous cartoons? Or just stuck in an awkward down period of the franchise? Too early for a nostalgic revival, yet not the original phenomenon ...

Powder
08-13-2014, 05:29 PM
You're forgetting TMNT, which was very successful. It wasn't live action, but it was a big budget theatrical release that represented that era of the turtles.

Redeemer
08-13-2014, 05:32 PM
Seems like the '87 Wolf toon, and the 2012 Nick toon seem to be the peaks of the franchise in terms of popularity, and quality. As we can seen by their box office number off spring.

2012 and Nick brought a resurgence to the property with new fans, as well as a heavy dose of nostalgia for those who grew up with the property.

I ask, why is it the 2003 series didn't get a big budget, serious live action treatment the way the bookend cartoon series did? Was it not as well liked ... Not as good as either of the other two previous cartoons? Or just stuck in an awkward down period of the franchise? Too early for a nostalgic revival, yet not the original phenomenon ...

So many reasons.... the 2k3 series did spawn the 07 CGI movie, but the budget for that was 34 million considerably smaller than the new movie.

But anyway, the property at that time was still owned by Peter Laird/ Mirage and they did not have the money or pull to make a big budget movie.

The 2k3 series was also only a saturday morning cartoon and never on a major network except Cartoon Network for a short time.

The 2k3 series kept the franchise alive and ultimately led to the sale of the property to Nick.

2K3 series was great and successful in its own right.

The bottom line TMNT did not have the financial backing to make a big blockbuster hit.

MrTMNT2012
08-13-2014, 05:35 PM
TMNT had the potential to be my favourite movie of all time! At the time, I was so unbelievably hyped!

They even had the 2003 logo on the initial poster and teaser so I was basically mislead thinking this was gonna be like a re-telling of the 2003 Series with characters like Bishop or Hun included.

Needless to say I was disappointed, but still enjoy the movie very much to this day.

tmntpower2k14
08-13-2014, 05:36 PM
You're forgetting TMNT, which was very successful. It wasn't live action, but it was a big budget theatrical release that represented that era of the turtles.

I'm not forgetting it. I said big budget live action. The success of all the live action films are superior (adjusting for inflation) to the February released animated feature, TMNT. If the 2k3 show was popular or of the quality fans claim why wouldn't it have spawned a truly big budget live action feature? The way Nick did within just a year of owning the property.

Powder
08-13-2014, 05:59 PM
Because fans don't know what they're talking about. It was popular as far as cartoons go, & had some good moments, but anyone who thinks it was as big as the OT is trippin'. The fact it was able to spawn a movie of any kind is kind of surprising.

tmntpower2k14
08-13-2014, 06:04 PM
Because fans don't know what they're talking about. It was popular as far as cartoons go, & had some good moments, but anyone who thinks it was as big as the OT is trippin'. The fact it was able to spawn a movie of any kind is kind of surprising.
Agreed.

:oops:

alliance
08-13-2014, 06:07 PM
ummmm...errr....well...

maybe i shouldn't.....

Redeemer
08-13-2014, 06:08 PM
I'm not forgetting it. I said big budget live action. The success of all the live action films are superior (adjusting for inflation) to the February released animated feature, TMNT. If the 2k3 show was popular or of the quality fans claim why wouldn't it have spawned a truly big budget live action feature? The way Nick did within just a year of owning the property.

Powder is right 2K3 was not on the level of the OT. OT was bringing in NFL money and 2k3 was bringing in MLS (US Soccer) money :lol:


Actually the 2014 is the first and only big budget live action movie in TMNT's history.

tmntpower2k14
08-13-2014, 06:09 PM
Actually the 2014 is the first and only big budget live action movie in TMNT's history.
Yea, good call. The rest were actual indie flicks. Surprised it took this long.

Shark_Blade
08-13-2014, 06:17 PM
Seems like it.

Well, there's Turtles Forever for that.

ummmm...errr....well...

maybe i shouldn't.....
Well, your signature already tells us what's on your mind. :tlol:

IndigoErth
08-13-2014, 06:18 PM
I don't recall the 2012 series getting a live action thing... did I miss something?

The 1990 movie (and sequels) appears to be a mix of the original cartoon along with some inspiration from the comics. As the first "blockbuster" movie, the 2014 movie seems, far as I can figure, a mash-up of a variety of various sources, not simply inspired from a single source and really that's prob the best way to go about it imo. The eye color and variation in stature seem to have been inspired by 2012 for sure, but just those details. I'm not too familiar with 2003, but in the same vein as 2012 it could stand to reason it helped inspire some of the stature/musculature of the characters.

909 Turtle Fan
08-13-2014, 06:25 PM
[QUOTE=IndigoErth;1332048]I don't recall the 2012 series getting a live action thing... did I miss something?


I was thinking the same thing

MothraLeo
08-13-2014, 06:37 PM
Well it did not have the numbers of the OT, but that would've been difficult. It was made darker and more mature, so it couldn't have had as wide of an audience, so it is tough to compare.

Quality-wise, though, there is no question it is the best of the cartoons. Great stories, a long-form narrative, etc. It's not even close.

That said, I don't remember enjoying the 2007 movie much.

Shark_Blade
08-13-2014, 06:48 PM
I don't recall the 2012 series getting a live action thing... did I miss something?Maybe not yet, but I reckon 2014 movie has a bit of 2012 influence in it particularly Raph being the big brawler, srawny thin geeky Donnie, short Mikey and awkward Leo.

tmntpower2k14
08-13-2014, 06:57 PM
Maybe not yet, but I reckon 2014 movie has a bit of 2012 influence in it particularly Raph being the big brawler, srawny thin geeky Donnie, short Mikey and awkward Leo.

The '90 film wasn't a direct adaptation of the '87 Wolf Toon. It was more Mirage, with Wolf Toon elements crossed over. I mean basically what the popularity of the cartoon spawned off. No movie has been a literal continuation of the cartoon that spawned it. Same goes for 2014 here. The Nick Toon popularity, and franchise resurgence gave it the legs to be produced. To be something that could be considered profitable on a large scale. I see a lot of children knee deep in turtles lore now, on a slightly smaller scale than the late 80s / early 90s. I never saw that during the 2k3 Toon / 2007 film's era. It simply wasn't that popular.

pennydreadful
08-13-2014, 07:03 PM
Is this another "2k3 sucks" thread? I guess alliance will show up any minute now. :roll:

For my money, 2k3 was not as popular as the Fred Wolf series, but it was higher in quality. The fact that there wasn't a live-action film at the time is no reflection on the quality of the 2k3 series. Like Redeemer said, it had more to do with who had the ownership and the financial backing behind the series at the time.

If we're going to make the argument that something making huge amounts of money means it's superior in quality, we may as well give Fifty Shades of Grey the Nobel Prize in Literature.

Technogeek29
08-13-2014, 07:04 PM
Maybe not yet, but I reckon 2014 movie has a bit of 2012 influence in it particularly Raph being the big brawler, srawny thin geeky Donnie, short Mikey and awkward Leo.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/nessaniel/tumblr_mj3nvoKVAi1rki487o1_500_zpsecdbb0db.gif

DarkLightDragon
08-13-2014, 07:18 PM
So I take it I'm the only one who thinks 2k3 not getting a live-action film was more of a blessing in disguise? 'Cause I can't really see it being translated well in any way.

I get people point to the '07 film as being the closest to the series getting a movie, but that movie in particular seemed more it wanted to be a part of the previous movie's continuity rather than it taking place during the show, the whole "let's shoe-horn Karai just because she's a familiar face from the show" non-withstanding. And while it's clear 2k3 updated it's character designs to look more like the '07's ones in BttS, I still don't attribute to "Oh, this show and this movie must've happened in the same universe!" sort of thing and chalk it up to marketing consistency, despite it being inconsistent within the show itself.

Besides, I'm more than content with Turtles Forever being the only 2k3-related movie. Yes, know it wasn't theatrical and was a made-for-TV movie, but my point still stands, it's still movie by the standards that it's at least over 60 minutes.

Coola Yagami
08-13-2014, 07:34 PM
So I take it I'm the only one who thinks 2k3 not getting a live-action film was more of a blessing in disguise? 'Cause I can't really see it being translated well in any way.

I get people point to the '07 film as being the closest to the series getting a movie, but that movie in particular seemed more it wanted to be a part of the previous movie's continuity rather than it taking place during the show, the whole "let's shoe-horn Karai just because she's a familiar face from the show" non-withstanding. And while it's clear 2k3 updated it's character designs to look more like the '07's ones in BttS, I still don't attribute to "Oh, this show and this movie must've happened in the same universe!" sort of thing and chalk it up to marketing consistency, despite it being inconsistent within the show itself.

Besides, I'm more than content with Turtles Forever being the only 2k3-related movie. Yes, know it wasn't theatrical and was a made-for-TV movie, but my point still stands, it's still movie by the standards that it's at least over 60 minutes.

Not sure it was a made for tv movie. The original had no room for commercial breaks.

But yeah the 07 movie bombed big time. It was supposed to be its own trilogy, but it never made past the first one.

IndigoErth
08-13-2014, 07:38 PM
Maybe not yet, but I reckon 2014 movie has a bit of 2012 influence in it particularly Raph being the big brawler, srawny thin geeky Donnie, short Mikey and awkward Leo.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/nessaniel/tumblr_mj3nvoKVAi1rki487o1_500_zpsecdbb0db.gif
:lol:

Leo's not awk--

*looks at Shark Blade's avatar*

Oh.

His actor made him do it!

(Pete you're forgiven if you make them let you voice him next time and do him better justice than Knoxville.)

NinjaPug
08-13-2014, 07:44 PM
The Nick toon didn't have anything to do with the new live action movie getting made.

CyberCubed
08-13-2014, 07:56 PM
This thread is utterly idiotic.

The movie deal was originally made in early 2009 before the sale to Nick ever happened. This movie was going to come out whether there was a cartoon on the air or not.

DarkLightDragon
08-13-2014, 08:04 PM
Not sure it was a made for tv movie. The original had no room for commercial breaks.

But yeah the 07 movie bombed big time. It was supposed to be its own trilogy, but it never made past the first one.


Oh, then I might've misused the term 'made-for-TV.' I guess I meant initially debuted on TV.

Bry
08-13-2014, 08:19 PM
For my money, 2k3 was not as popular as the Fred Wolf series, but it was higher in quality. The fact that there wasn't a live-action film at the time is no reflection on the quality of the 2k3 series.

100% agreed. The 2003 series was awesome, and as much as I love the Nick series, I think it's still my favourite non-comics version of the whole franchise. I re-watched some of the episodes a few weeks back and I loved them as much as I did 10 years ago. It adapted the Mirage comics in such a cool way overall, and despite some weak spots, it was a great run. And I honestly think the animation will age the best between the three cartoons so far.

Besides, I'm more than content with Turtles Forever being the only 2k3-related movie. Yes, know it wasn't theatrical and was a made-for-TV movie, but my point still stands, it's still movie by the standards that it's at least over 60 minutes.

Absolutely! Turtles Forever is a very close second to the 1990 movie for the best Turtles movie. Those two are easily the best. Hell, Turtles Forever was a beautiful finale for the Mirage era of the property as a whole.

rodster6
08-16-2014, 07:32 AM
I don't know about America but the 2003 TMNT series was huge over here in the UK the same way the 80s and 2012 ones are. We also got the TMNT 2007 film which I felt tried to be an amalgamation of the live action movies and 2003 series and came off the back of the success of the 2003 series.

Whatswiththeheadbands?
08-16-2014, 07:37 AM
Is this another "2k3 sucks" thread? I guess alliance will show up any minute now. :roll:
He already has:tgrumble:
For my money, 2k3 was not as popular as the Fred Wolf series, but it was higher in quality. The fact that there wasn't a live-action film at the time is no reflection on the quality of the 2k3 series. Like Redeemer said, it had more to do with who had the ownership and the financial backing behind the series at the time.

If we're going to make the argument that something making huge amounts of money means it's superior in quality, we may as well give Fifty Shades of Grey the Nobel Prize in Literature.
Exactly.

strawberryfields
08-16-2014, 11:00 AM
Seems like the '87 Wolf toon, and the 2012 Nick toon seem to be the peaks of the franchise in terms of popularity, and quality. As we can seen by their box office number off spring.

2012 and Nick brought a resurgence to the property with new fans, as well as a heavy dose of nostalgia for those who grew up with the property.

I ask, why is it the 2003 series didn't get a big budget, serious live action treatment the way the bookend cartoon series did? Was it not as well liked ... Not as good as either of the other two previous cartoons? Or just stuck in an awkward down period of the franchise? Too early for a nostalgic revival, yet not the original phenomenon ...

2k3 cartoon may have been edgier than the 87 show, but it was bland as ****. I was born in 93, when I loved turtles they were virtually extinct. KB toys at a mall 45 min away from my house was the only place that carried the figures and the selection was pretty slim. I remember how exciting it was when I saw turtles on the pegs at Target for the first time since Next Mutation, which I had barley remembered. I watched the very first episode of the 2k3 show at like 9 AM when it first aired and I thought it was OK, but it just didn't do it for me. I remember hating the fact that they had brown knee/elbow pads and the overall feel of the show just didn't match the unique animation of the 87 series. I ended up watching the show regularly later on when it started airing on cartoon network at around 4PM daily, but I only watched it because it was right after school and I watched cartoon network regardless of what was on

Some of my 2k3 toys that I still have are painted on with sharpies/****** paint. I must have taken it upon myself as a 10 year old to color in their knee pads. I guess kids are just attracted to bright colors

This thread is utterly idiotic.

The movie deal was originally made in early 2009 before the sale to Nick ever happened. This movie was going to come out whether there was a cartoon on the air or not.

Agreed. I doubt the movie would have had anything to do with the 2k3 show, especially since the show had jumped the shark long before that

Leolead
08-16-2014, 11:34 AM
Uh.... yeah it did.. TMNT! (which is now my second favorite TMNT movie) so yeah it was pretty popular it freakin spawned TMNT!

2K3 is better than the OT and the new Nick series IMO it's the most mature and badass TMNT besides Mirage!:oops:

Tazi
08-16-2014, 12:01 PM
I ask, why is it the 2003 series didn't get a big budget, serious live action treatment the way the bookend cartoon series did?
There was a movie in progress, but then Laird retired, and sold TMNT to viacom.

Besides, I don't get what Nick show has to do with this movie. It has more in common with OT and even with 4kids, then with anything else. Huge robo-Shredder or the inclusion of Karai are all made popular by 2k3.

THGhost
08-16-2014, 07:21 PM
People please. Don't compare the 2K3 series to the 2007 movie, and don't try to imply that those 2 things are in any way connected. The 2K3 series is awesome, the 2007 movie is lackluster at best.

Warhorse
08-16-2014, 10:59 PM
People please. Don't compare the 2K3 series to the 2007 movie, and don't try to imply that those 2 things are in any way connected. The 2K3 series is awesome, the 2007 movie is lackluster at best.

Yeah, as a whole, the movie sucked. But I did totally love Mikey and Don holding down jobs and Raph with his Nightwatcher side arc (and his little fight with the devil, which was hilarious!)

CyberCubed
08-16-2014, 11:46 PM
2k3 cartoon may have been edgier than the 87 show, but it was bland as ****. the first time since Next Mutation, which I had barley remembered. I watched the very first episode of the 2k3 show at like 9 AM when it first aired and I thought it was OK, but it just didn't do it for me. I remember hating the fact that they had brown knee/elbow pads and the overall feel of the show just didn't match the unique animation of the 87 series. I ended up watching the show regularly later on when it started airing on cartoon network at around 4PM daily, but I only watched it because it was right after school and I watched cartoon network regardless of what was o
t

The 4kids cartoon was one of the best written action shows of the 2000s. You sound like you watched a completely different version of the show everyone else did.

Ramboraph4life aka Matt
08-17-2014, 12:42 AM
If the show is apparently 'not good enough' to get a Proper DVD release...then why would folks think that it'd ever get a 'Live Action Blockbuster'?

Warhorse
08-17-2014, 03:04 AM
If the show is apparently 'not good enough' to get a Proper DVD release...then why would folks think that it'd ever get a 'Live Action Blockbuster'?

It's the way cartoons are handled period. I'm having a heck of a time trying to get a hold of anything to do with the OT redsky episodes. I don't even remember them, that's how long it's been since I seen them, and I can't seem to find them on youtube either. The second they are put up, Viacom comes along and takes them down again. Now, I don't know if it's a good thing they aren't bothering with the 2k3 toon. But then again, they don't seem to be that hard on episodes of Nick going on either. They are just funny with the Old toon. Not sure why.:ohwell:

Netkeeper
08-17-2014, 06:32 AM
With 2k3, it wasn't an issue of "not being good enough" for a live action movie. It was almost certainly lacking the proper budget.

Nobody knows for sure why we're not getting a DVD release.

Coola Yagami
08-17-2014, 09:40 AM
The 4kids cartoon was one of the best written action shows of the 2000s. You sound like you watched a completely different version of the show everyone else did.

That's just his opinion. The show was no different than any of the other forgettable 4Kids stuff.

LeotheLateBloomer
08-17-2014, 09:47 AM
I always thought it was better than 4kids' other shows.

THGhost
08-17-2014, 04:37 PM
With 2k3, it wasn't an issue of "not being good enough" for a live action movie. It was almost certainly lacking the proper budget.

Nobody knows for sure why we're not getting a DVD release.

Nick wanting to focus on their own series? Which is perfectly understandable right now.