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aliena
04-12-2015, 11:13 AM
I regret that I didn't watch this series as it aired. In fact, it was the idea that they had no pupils that turned me off. Now I'm regretting the fact that I didn't see it. I've seen FF, but that's it.

So, is this series worth the work to find and watch the episodes? I tried to watch them on Nick.com, but it wouldn't work on my computer.

I've seen all the sets that people on here own and that looks like a lot to buy. It's going to be a long term expensive process I think. I also see the new sets they are releasing and I'm bummed that I can't just buy the seasons complete.

Anyway, without spoiling too much, what are some good things about the show that make it worth the time and effort to see them?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
04-12-2015, 12:08 PM
I regret that I didn't watch this series as it aired. In fact, it was the idea that they had no pupils that turned me off. Now I'm regretting the fact that I didn't see it. I've seen FF, but that's it.

So, is this series worth the work to find and watch the episodes? I tried to watch them on Nick.com, but it wouldn't work on my computer.

I've seen all the sets that people on here own and that looks like a lot to buy. It's going to be a long term expensive process I think. I also see the new sets they are releasing and I'm bummed that I can't just buy the seasons complete.

Anyway, without spoiling too much, what are some good things about the show that make it worth the time and effort to see them?

Do you like the Mirage comics? Because 4Kids is a Ninja Turtles cartoon that completely shunned the Fred Wolf cartoon and anything that came from it. All Mirage, all the time.

That'll either turn you on or make you run away screaming. :twink:

CyberCubed
04-12-2015, 12:08 PM
Its one of the best cartoons ever made, not just best TMNT cartoon, but one of the best cartoons of the 2000's.

I don't recommend tracking down the DVDs though, they're rare and expensive and most of them only have 3-4 episodes per disc. You can find the entire series online to watch rather easily if you look in the right places.

Donny
04-12-2015, 12:16 PM
One thing I love about this show is the tone. The show has a darker and more serious tone to it but still with a lot of humor. It is never as silly as especially the original toon sometimes was, and does not seem childish. It is the closets we will ever get to an animated version of the mirage comics (at least season one to four), which makes the storyline so appealing to me. It is clear how much love was put into the show since this was Peter Lairds chance to show the world what the old comics were all about, and that TMNT is more than just a simple kids show, and what his and Kevin's intentions with the turtles were back in the days. To me this is the best version of the turtles so far, and I doubt we will ever have another animated show that resembles the tone and storyline of the old comics like this one does. It is funny, action packed, touching, and sometimes a bit scary. Do yourself a favor and check out the first seasons (fast forward had a more light tone to it and was in many ways different from the episodes in season one to five).

aliena
04-12-2015, 12:39 PM
Do you like the Mirage comics? Because 4Kids is a Ninja Turtles cartoon that completely shunned the Fred Wolf cartoon and anything that came from it. All Mirage, all the time.

That'll either turn you on or make you run away screaming. :twink:

I am way more into the Mirage comics than the Fred Wolf show. I like them dark and dramatic with some moments of humor and fun too. I look forward to finding them now.

Gunstar_Red
04-12-2015, 12:44 PM
It was my introduction to the Turtles, so I might be biased. It's a great show stand alone and the best one if compared to the other versions. I agree with Donny, the tone is what made me fall in love with it. It's heavily based on the comics and took the best elements from them. The art design took me a little time to get use to, but I later appreciated the stylized look.

The only thing that I may have a problem with it is sometimes a couple of episodes suffer kidification. It got worse especally the last two seasons.

I highly recommend getting or, at the very least, watch it.

yellowmario27
04-12-2015, 12:46 PM
I was just like you at one point, I watched the first episode and got turned off right away. Didn't like their eyes, didn't like their voices. But then everyone and their mother kept telling me it was a good show.
Honestly the first few episodes are slow, but it really picks up and it's one of my favorite shows all time. I rewatch random episodes of this show more than any other show, and it never get's old. There are so many amazing episodes. While I do adore the nick version, this easily beats it no contest. Watch all of season one and you will be hooked

I like how Karai is handled in this series
April and Casey don't have a huge part, but they are in enough episodes and story lines.
There's no real romance aspect to the show, except April and Casey.
Also I felt master splinter wasn't just sitting at home all the time, he has a big part in this show. You seem him fighting alongside the turtles and saving them numerous times.

please just watch it lol I can talk about it for hours :lol:

turtlefanforever
04-12-2015, 01:06 PM
well worth it. very well written great designs. Just the best. You owe it to yourself to watch it

TigerClaw
04-12-2015, 01:15 PM
Do you like the Mirage comics? Because 4Kids is a Ninja Turtles cartoon that completely shunned the Fred Wolf cartoon and anything that came from it. All Mirage, all the time.

That'll either turn you on or make you run away screaming. :twink:
I wouldn't say it shunned the Fred Wolf cartoon. The episode that had Usagi coming to earth, His friend Gennosuke, at one point was looking like Rocksteady, Which was a reference to Fred Wolf.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/3/39/Gen.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091121154338

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/a/ab/12bhjkbhjk.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131122204404

DarkLightDragon
04-12-2015, 01:28 PM
^As well as one Utrom being named Kraang and April dressing up as a news reporter complete with yellow jumpsuit during Secret Origins.

CyberCubed
04-12-2015, 02:33 PM
I was just like you at one point, I watched the first episode and got turned off right away. Didn't like their eyes, didn't like their voices. But then everyone and their mother kept telling me it was a good show.
Honestly the first few epis

Why do people keep complaining about the voices of the 4kids Turtles? They all had great voices for that series.

Donny
04-12-2015, 02:41 PM
Why do people keep complaining about the voices of the 4kids Turtles? They all had great voices for that series.

I agree. Excellent voice cast in general!

mrminister4446
04-12-2015, 02:57 PM
I regret that I didn't watch this series as it aired. In fact, it was the idea that they had no pupils that turned me off. Now I'm regretting the fact that I didn't see it. I've seen FF, but that's it.

So, is this series worth the work to find and watch the episodes? I tried to watch them on Nick.com, but it wouldn't work on my computer.

I've seen all the sets that people on here own and that looks like a lot to buy. It's going to be a long term expensive process I think. I also see the new sets they are releasing and I'm bummed that I can't just buy the seasons complete.

Anyway, without spoiling too much, what are some good things about the show that make it worth the time and effort to see them?

You can easily find them on youtube, the only challenge is to find the uploader with the highest quality videos.

yellowmario27
04-12-2015, 03:24 PM
Why do people keep complaining about the voices of the 4kids Turtles? They all had great voices for that series.

I liked Leo and Donnie's voices, it's just that I guess I wasn't expecting Raph to have a think gruff brooklyn(?) accent, considering it was so different in the past cartoon.

and Mikey's voice was just...annoying, grating to the ears at first.

but i got used to it, and don't even think that anymore :D

turtlefanforever
04-12-2015, 03:43 PM
I wouldn't say it shunned the Fred Wolf cartoon. The episode that had Usagi coming to earth, His friend Gennosuke, at one point was looking like Rocksteady, Which was a reference to Fred Wolf.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/3/39/Gen.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091121154338

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/a/ab/12bhjkbhjk.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131122204404

Don't forget Bebop in the flying car in Fast Forward!!

Leo656
04-12-2015, 03:45 PM
It's really good, but collecting it physically is a real drag at this point. I was lucky, I bought each disc the day it came out and usually never saw them in stores again, and the online prices nowadays are blasphemous. I paid almost a hundred bucks for Ninja Tribunal. Like whaaaat.

What sucks about the DVDs is that even if you do track them down, the episodes are in some stupid order. Past the very earliest episodes, you practically have to sit with a chart telling you which episodes to watch in what order, sometimes having to switch discs back and forth. And that's annoying.

It's a great show, though.

TheSkeletonMan939
04-12-2015, 03:54 PM
Worth watching? You bet!!

Worth tracking down? No. This may very well be one of the hardest cartoons to collect, due to the rarity and sheer volume of discs.

LeotheLateBloomer
04-12-2015, 04:32 PM
Why do people keep complaining about the voices of the 4kids Turtles? They all had great voices for that series.

I agree. Excellent voice cast in general!

I agree with both of these. To me, these are my definitive voices for the turtles.

Leo656
04-12-2015, 05:06 PM
Pretty good. Raph needs to lay off the smokes.

Redeemer
04-12-2015, 05:58 PM
As others have said it is hands down one of the best cartoons in recent years. :lol: debut in 03 lol.
But it is extremely Mirage based as others have said.
But the easiest way to watch this series is on online. I rewetted the first five season on youtube, but I think the channel got taken down by Nick.

aliena
04-12-2015, 06:49 PM
As others have said it is hands down one of the best cartoons in recent years. :lol: debut in 03 lol.
But it is extremely Mirage based as others have said.
But the easiest way to watch this series is on online. I rewetted the first five season on youtube, but I think the channel got taken down by Nick.

It seems that the seasons are not complete on youtube. I'd hate to get so far and then have no way to see them all. I'll keep searching. Maybe I can find a local person who will lend them to me, yeah right. :)

TigerClaw
04-12-2015, 06:52 PM
Pretty good. Raph needs to lay off the smokes.
I loved that Raph sounded like a stereotypical New Yorker.

senpai
04-12-2015, 08:18 PM
Aliena, if you want to track them down, try visiting your local library. I've seen them floating around.

As for my opinion, I didn't get into it. It's not even that it was dark and more serious--all that stuff is fine! I just...um...thought the voice actors sucked and made it kinda...erm...I don't know the word--"goober-y"? I watched half of season 1 and stopped.

pennydreadful
04-12-2015, 08:51 PM
Aliena, it's definitely worth watching. It would be an expensive, near-impossible nightmare to try to track it down on dvd at this point, however you can find other ways to watch it. Can't go into detail here but yeah. :tshifty:

Cure
04-12-2015, 11:49 PM
I wouldn't say it is, but that's me.

IndigoErth
04-12-2015, 11:55 PM
Is this series worth tracking down?
I hunted around for it online last summer and watched it from start to finish. Liked it a lot more than I was expecting.

I had already seen the Turtles Forever 'movie' prior to the series and that kind of set up me up expecting they were going to be kinda jerky in the series, but they weren't. Kinda agree with the white eye thing, but got used to it. They added visible eyes in the tail end of the series, but the way they did it then looked off...

Refractive Reflections
04-13-2015, 12:47 AM
I would strongly suggest viewing/rent the 4Kids episodes before purchasing them, since the series is difficult to obtain, and it's a tone you have to sample to see if it's enjoyable for you.

As for the series itself? Most people would agree that the first four seasons were great, but the last 3 seasons is mixed, with Back To The Sewers (Season 7) being the least favorable. The storywriting is outstanding, but the melodrama (i.e. humorous moments that inadvertently break the serious tone) and the characterization of some characters can be grating (i.e. Raph's rageahoilc demeanor, Mikey's stupidity/comedy, Leo getting some preferential treatment compared to the other Turtles, who Shredder turns out to actually be) can be detracting enough for some.

mrminister4446
04-13-2015, 01:03 PM
It seems that the seasons are not complete on youtube. I'd hate to get so far and then have no way to see them all. I'll keep searching. Maybe I can find a local person who will lend them to me, yeah right. :)

Last time I checked there were at least two youtubers with every season uploaded, in various qualities.

CyberCubed
04-13-2015, 03:23 PM
You can also find the show easily outside of youtube. Seriously, have any of you ever used the internet before?

TheSkeletonMan939
04-13-2015, 03:38 PM
I helped guide aliena to where he could see the episodes.

Yeah, people always seem to think "if it isn't on YouTube it isn't anywhere!" when it comes to TV shows and I can't understand that mentality.

ABrown
04-13-2015, 05:08 PM
Is this show worth watching? Absolutely. The 4Kids TMNT series is one of my favorite cartoons of all time. Is it worth paying the money necessary for all of the out of print dvds? I suppose if you have hundreds of dollars to throw away. When I purchase shows on dvd, I don't like paying more than a dollar per episode. Right now you'd have to pay a shell of a lot more than that.

CyberCubed
04-13-2015, 06:33 PM
I helped guide aliena to where he could see the episodes.

Yeah, people always seem to think "if it isn't on YouTube it isn't anywhere!" when it comes to TV shows and I can't understand that mentality.

Its almost as if some people here don't know that practically any well known TV show ever is uploaded on the internet *somewhere*

Seriously, I can watch almost any episode of any show I want within less than a minute of searching on the internet.

Leo656
04-13-2015, 10:36 PM
Some of us have lost several computers to various malware and spyware and virus issues and aren't in a hurry to go through it again. Just puttin' that out there.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
04-13-2015, 10:57 PM
Some of us have lost several computers to various malware and spyware and virus issues and aren't in a hurry to go through it again. Just puttin' that out there.

Word. That is all.

mrminister4446
04-14-2015, 05:00 AM
Some of us have lost several computers to various malware and spyware and virus issues and aren't in a hurry to go through it again. Just puttin' that out there.

Two words: Anti virus

Leo656
04-14-2015, 11:42 AM
They don't catch everything, slim. Just sayin'.

Prowler
04-14-2015, 11:51 AM
It's definitely worth watching it, but collecting it on DVD? Nah for all the reasons stated.

Some of us have lost several computers to various malware and spyware and virus issues and aren't in a hurry to go through it again. Just puttin' that out there.

Lots of people download tv shows, anime and movies and don't get viruses. Just gotta know where to look at. I mean, it's turtles, not a porn video. The odds of it having a virus are fairly low compared to the latter.

And yes, anti-virus don't catch everything. In fact, many people nowadays would rather get those free ones such as Avast, Avira, etc. instead of paying 5 bucks for Norton or Kaspersky.

Leo656
04-14-2015, 12:16 PM
Maaaaan I don't trust nothin' no more. :lol:

plastroncafe
04-14-2015, 12:18 PM
Isn't it against forum rules to suggest people go to illegal places to find things?

Having said that, I've got several DVDs of the 2k3 toon that could use a good home. Bought the whole thing shortly after the sale to Nick, and ended up with a handful of dupes.

Leo656
04-14-2015, 12:20 PM
You're truly doing God's work. :tgrin:

plastroncafe
04-14-2015, 12:38 PM
It's our job to help the newbies.
Who knows what they'll buy on ebay!

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Leo656
04-14-2015, 12:40 PM
I haven't looked in a while. Is sh*t still 2000 bucks or whatever? :lol:

aliena
04-18-2015, 10:47 PM
Some of us have lost several computers to various malware and spyware and virus issues and aren't in a hurry to go through it again. Just puttin' that out there.

That is what I'm trying to avoid after having dealt with that previously as well. At least I trust youtube more than some stranger out there. This would all be a mute point if they had released them on DVD box sets...but that discussion is for another thread.

aliena
04-18-2015, 10:49 PM
I helped guide aliena to where he could see the episodes.

Yeah, people always seem to think "if it isn't on YouTube it isn't anywhere!" when it comes to TV shows and I can't understand that mentality.

And I am eternally grateful for the guiding. Already binged a lot of season one. If only work didn't get in the way of my watching.:ohwell:

jenna
04-19-2015, 01:27 AM
I would absolutely recommend the 4Kids series. It has a wonderfully moody atmosphere, but still has great humour. It has well-choreographed martial arts sequences and character development.

The white eyes bother me still as the design gives the turtles a somewhat blank expression at times, but it is very effective at others, like when they are hiding in the shadows etc.

On the whole the voices are fine, but I don't care for Raphael's voice at all. It's just too much: too gruff, too "New York" and hugely over-acted. That said, you get used to it.

Brace yourself for a sudden shift in tone after season 4, and again after season 5. I wasn't expecting Fast Forward and for me it ruined it. So be prepared for it. However, there are four seasons of great, beautifully animated, soulful storytelling to enjoy before it all goes to ****.

I would thoroughly recommend it.

Edit: oops! Somehow posted without having read page 3 of the thread. I now see that I've entered this conversation too late and you've already started watching. Oh well. :) Enjoy!

Shark_Blade
04-19-2015, 03:55 AM
I'm watching the series right now. Sure there are a lot of flaws - like the Utrom Shredder, obnoxious Casey Jones, too much magic and aliens and space travel, etc, but there's a lot to enjoy as well tbh.

I'm on The Shredder Strikes (Part 1). *sigh* This is where Leo gets cocky and boisterous..

Warhorse
04-19-2015, 08:34 AM
I regret that I didn't watch this series as it aired. In fact, it was the idea that they had no pupils that turned me off. Now I'm regretting the fact that I didn't see it. I've seen FF, but that's it.

So, is this series worth the work to find and watch the episodes? I tried to watch them on Nick.com, but it wouldn't work on my computer.

I've seen all the sets that people on here own and that looks like a lot to buy. It's going to be a long term expensive process I think. I also see the new sets they are releasing and I'm bummed that I can't just buy the seasons complete.

Anyway, without spoiling too much, what are some good things about the show that make it worth the time and effort to see them?

I actually stumbled across the 2k3 show thanks to home made music videos of it on youtube, and I agree, the no pupils was a bit jarring, but I finally was able to put it aside and watch it, online. Unfortunately, I have friends and family that still can't get past the no pupils, so because of that, they will never give the show a chance.

But, to answer your question, the show leans more towards the atmosphere from the 1990 movie than it does the SOTO or the FW. It tends to have plots that go on for several episodes, with the Shredder Strikes parts 1 and 2 and The Shredder Strikes Back parts 1 and 2 as the stand out episodes (IMO)

Do you like the Mirage comics? Because 4Kids is a Ninja Turtles cartoon that completely shunned the Fred Wolf cartoon and anything that came from it. All Mirage, all the time.

That'll either turn you on or make you run away screaming. :twink:
This is not true, or all of the Turtles would have had red bandanas instead of their trademark Fred Wolf coloring, and to this day, Mikey still retains his "surfer/skaterboy" persona that started with Fred Wolf. Donnie in 2k3 was more like his FW counterpart, smart, but sweet natured and welcoming to newcomers, unlike his comic book counterpart that had him mostly as a loner, with more sinister ambitions than he let on.

Leo656
04-19-2015, 10:37 AM
I've never liked the "no-pupils" look, but it never bugged me enough to put me off the show. I just think it makes no sense. But eh, it's just a look.

neatoman
04-19-2015, 11:05 AM
I've never liked the "no-pupils" look, but it never bugged me enough to put me off the show. I just think it makes no sense. But eh, it's just a look.

I quite like it, it's like with Batman's cowl and many other superhero masks, it's easier to take otherwise colorful/goofy looking characters seriously that way.

Leo656
04-19-2015, 11:06 AM
See, that's a perfect example of why I don't care for it. Batman's eyes are night lenses that let him see in the dark. It's not like the TMNT have that built into their masks.

I get that it's just a look, but I prefer it when there's a practical reason for it as well. I always draw them with pupils.

dragonside
04-19-2015, 08:02 PM
highly recommended.

I like to think of it as the first real shot at animating the original comics since it incorporated a lot of those elements and stories.

The animation is good. the fight scenes and music are well done.

at least watch it through once.

LeotheLateBloomer
04-20-2015, 06:39 AM
See, that's a perfect example of why I don't care for it. Batman's eyes are night lenses that let him see in the dark. It's not like the TMNT have that built into their masks.

I get that it's just a look, but I prefer it when there's a practical reason for it as well. I always draw them with pupils.

But how would one explain the Flash, Green Lantern, and Wolverine?

tmntpower1988
04-20-2015, 02:31 PM
The first five seasons are great but Fast Forward and Back To The Sewer aren't that good imo. I like the no pupils look, hated the puppy dog eyes they had in Back To The Sewer. It's one of the best cartoons ever made. It's up there with Justice League/Justice League Unlimited and Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

It's really good, but collecting it physically is a real drag at this point. I was lucky, I bought each disc the day it came out and usually never saw them in stores again, and the online prices nowadays are blasphemous. I paid almost a hundred bucks for Ninja Tribunal. Like whaaaat.

I spent $200 on Season 2 Part 2 :lol:

^As well as one Utrom being named Kraang and April dressing up as a news reporter complete with yellow jumpsuit during Secret Origins.

The Bebop look a like in Fast Forward too:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/f/f6/Bebop_2003_Serie_Cameo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140530162912&path-prefix=de

Prowler
04-20-2015, 10:54 PM
I've never liked the "no-pupils" look, but it never bugged me enough to put me off the show. I just think it makes no sense. But eh, it's just a look.
The main reason my brother never gave the show a chance was precisely that one.

"They have no pupils. Are they blind or something?!"


I think it's more his get-go excuse, though. He's one of those people who grew up with the original toon and refuses any other take on the Turtles.

Leo656
04-20-2015, 10:58 PM
But how would one explain the Flash, Green Lantern, and Wolverine?

Green Lantern's entire costume is just a hard-light projection created by his ring.

Flash only had the white eyes when Wally had a suit specially designed by S.T.A.R. Labs to protect his body from friction and other hazards encountered at near-light speeds. I figure the eye coverings were part of the suit's protection. Eyes are pretty squishy. I liked that little detail.

Wolverine, I'll chalk up as "people draw it that way because they think it looks cool". That's my least-favorite reason for it.

neatoman
04-21-2015, 01:57 AM
The Bebop look a like in Fast Forward too:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/f/f6/Bebop_2003_Serie_Cameo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140530162912&path-prefix=de

This Bebop looks like a grandfather to me, wonder how many grandpiglets he has?

DVD
04-21-2015, 04:39 AM
I like the show a lot . I've said before that I found it after it aired .
Actually it was on as I was in China. I remember seeing the figures in Carrefour and thinking they were knock offs as they were so not the Turtles that I remembered !!!
Anyway, the show . Basically it's great fun. The characters are well rounded and behave as you'd expect. The stories they are in are generally interesting and attention holding.
On Sunday I watched the HATE episode again. It's solid action adventure featuring a chase with an 18 wheeler ... Hmmmm
I think I watch these episodes more frequently than the other shows. I can easily sit through s couple of hours worth. Usually find myself ordering a pizza after an hour, and I don't know why.
Is it the best show? Don't know. The three shows are different. Each has their merits. I old though , totally recommend it if you haven't seen it .
I found this thread interesting as it follows on from a conversation I had with a friend of mine. He'd never watched it either. That said ... He IS watching it now !

tmntpower1988
04-22-2015, 07:18 PM
This Bebop looks like a grandfather to me, wonder how many grandpiglets he has?

:lol:

I think it's more his get-go excuse, though. He's one of those people who grew up with the original toon and refuses any other take on the Turtles.

My brother is the same he only likes the 80s show and hates the others. He seen me watching the Nick show a few times, he laughed at me and said "How can you watch that sh*t? It looks terrible". The 80s show is by far the worst of the three cartoons imo. I used to love it when I was a kid but now I can't even make it through one episode, find it absolutely boring.

Netkeeper
04-22-2015, 07:38 PM
I get that it's just a look, but I prefer it when there's a practical reason for it as well. I always draw them with pupils.
The only thing I dislike about it myself is that it's more difficult to draw them and make them look expressive. Eyes are a huge part of expression, so when the pupils aren't visible, it's so easy to make a character look emotionless or flat.

The 2003 show's animators do a good job of it, though!

nylemon
04-22-2015, 09:14 PM
definitely!

ABrown
04-22-2015, 09:19 PM
What is with all the talk about pupils? Who likes/dislikes a cartoon based on whether or not characters are drawn with pupils? This is one of my favorite cartoons of all time. What am I supposed to disregard all that I like about the show because of pupils?

DarkLightDragon
04-23-2015, 09:43 AM
It's easy to see how some would be better adjusted to them having pupils with their masks on. Aside from Mirage and 2k3, it's more prevalent in other Turtle media. Personally I don't think you need pupils to help convey what a character is feeling (sometimes it's all in the brow) but they do make that character seem more human and personable than you'd get from no-pupil look which is usually used to make a character seemed possessed, alien, or the classic 'blind with rage' trope.

shuriken
04-24-2015, 02:48 AM
Pretty good. Raph needs to lay off the smokes.

Smoking helped quell his rage. his INEXPLICABLE RAGE :x
But I liked it. It's the cartoon that most closely resembles the Mirage series. Even goes so far as straight up adapting some issues. It's the only TMNT series I've watched from start to finish more than once. I saw the Next mutation all the way through, but that was only once, and I don't think I ever saw all of the Fred Wolfe toons (since there's 196 of em).

Xav
04-24-2015, 03:59 AM
Come on there's only 193 of em.

cloud
04-25-2015, 01:38 AM
The 2k3 show is great. The show follows the original comics closely and even include the one shot series like the Donatello one shot with a comic artist named Kirby. Also some original ideas that were pretty good like the character Nano and the underground characters. They even had a background story for their sewer lair.

The tone and well planned story line is a huge highlight of the show. I later on found out that it's had a lot to do with Peter Laird being involved in the creative process. He had a lot of inputs on the scripts which made the stories tighter and more logical in many ways. I had problems enjoying the Nick show because of the plot holes and mostly ridiculous settings.

GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo
04-25-2015, 10:24 AM
2k3 is the only storyline that actually make sense besides tmnt 2007 movie.

nick's... has better animations n the voice acting is more real in speaking speed wise, but other than that... its not competitive to 2k3.

shuriken
04-26-2015, 02:56 PM
2007 made as much sense as Garbage Pail kids

Come on there's only 193 of em.

Aww geez. Wasn't Planet of the Turtleoids put as one and I'm sure there was a lost episode in there too? eh whatevs I'm not watching every Fred Wolfe episode from start to finish any time soon.

CyberCubed
04-26-2015, 03:29 PM
Aww geez. Wasn't Planet of the Turtleoids put as one and I'm sure there was a lost episode in there too? eh whatevs I'm not watching every Fred Wolfe episode from start to finish any time soon.

I rewatch the entire OT about once every 3-4 years or so and you can get done in 3 months.

D Piddy 1982
04-30-2015, 07:46 AM
I have been toying with the idea of watching this series too, probably online.

I grew up on the OT, and and have watched the first 2 series of the Nick show (which is great by the way). What is happening about season 3 of the Nick show in the UK I have no idea...

Anyway, I'm interested to know, all of you guys who are big fans of the 4kids series, was this the first series you were brought up on, or introduced to the TMNT by?

It's interesting that it's likely everyone thinks "their" TMNT is the best one. As I do love the OT. I can see why people hate it, but it holds a special place for me.

I did watch a few episodes of the 4Kids when it came out, but it seemed difficult at that time to catch it on a regular basis so I stopped watching it, but I remember watching the episode that is based on "What Goes Around Comes Around" and I thought that it was pretty damn cool that it was based on the Mirage comics. That's why I'd still like to make an effort to watch the series.

On the subject of voices, my favourite voice cast is the original movie cast.

The-Shredder
04-30-2015, 03:46 PM
Anyway, I'm interested to know, all of you guys who are big fans of the 4kids series, was this the first series you were brought up on, or introduced to the TMNT by?

It's interesting that it's likely everyone thinks "their" TMNT is the best one. As I do love the OT. I can see why people hate it, but it holds a special place for me.

I did watch a few episodes of the 4Kids when it came out, but it seemed difficult at that time to catch it on a regular basis so I stopped watching it, but I remember watching the episode that is based on "What Goes Around Comes Around" and I thought that it was pretty damn cool that it was based on the Mirage comics. That's why I'd still like to make an effort to watch the series.

On the subject of voices, my favourite voice cast is the original movie cast.

My first introduction to the TMNT was through reruns of the 1987 show in early to mid 2003 on a foreign T.V. channel, so this was exactly when the 2003 show was airing at the time, which I had no idea about until I saw the action figures in stores. Once I went to the FoxBox (4Kids Saturday morning block on FOX) website and experienced the minisite, I was hooked and couldn't wait to watch it. I first watched the show when the FoxBox aired a rerun of "The Shredder Strikes" episodes back to back in August, 2003, which was a perfect introduction to the overall tone and feeling of the show for me.

I still watched the 1987 cartoon every time it was shown, got the Season 1 DVD with the bonus Season 10 episodes, and got a good kick out of the fun action and humor, but once I saw the 2003 show, I immediately knew that the original cartoon was inferior, yet it did have a lot of good things about it to make up for it and still be enjoyable to watch.

I dislike the idea of considering the 1987 cartoon the definitive version of how TMNT should be represented since it strays greatly from its roots and restricts it from reaching its true potential if its going to keep being labeled in the mainstream as a kids show from the 80s :ohwell:. I consider it as the Adam West, 1960s Batman of TMNT, which isn't a bad thing, it's just a different flavor to enjoy.

If there's one thing I love the most about the 1987 show, it's Raphael. His one-liners are hilarious. Also, I like the shift towards a more serious tone in Season 8, even if it felt forced. I was never really a fan of the supporting human characters, especially the Channel 6 News cast, so I was glad they got dropped.

Reading Peter Laird's blog posts about the making of the 2003 show, as well as watching Michele Ivey's interviews with the voice cast on Cowabunga Corner on YouTube show how much the original movie influenced the feel of the show, which they were trying to emulate with the voices.

Overall, the 2003 show is my favorite, the original movies come second, and the 1987 show third. I don't appreciate the direction Nickelodeon is taking with the 2012 show at all with its juvenile humor, abundance of mutants, and gross-out scenes, and it annoys me, which is why I haven't cared to take the time to watch the rest of Season 3 since December.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
04-30-2015, 03:58 PM
Anyway, I'm interested to know, all of you guys who are big fans of the 4kids series, was this the first series you were brought up on, or introduced to the TMNT by?

It's interesting that it's likely everyone thinks "their" TMNT is the best one. As I do love the OT. I can see why people hate it, but it holds a special place for me.

Nope. I grew up on the OT, which I owe my allegiance for introducing me to TMNT, but it did not age well. Gah. I will not watch OT now.

4Kids I didn't find until high school, rewatched it in college and again as an adult. Still love it.

Wesley
04-30-2015, 04:14 PM
I'm a big fan of the 2003 series. However, my first introduction to the Turtles was the 1987 cartoon in the early 90s. I watched '03 in my late teens and early 20s when it was on the air from 2003 to the late 00s. The show was put in a bad time slot at first on Wednesday afternoons, so I was only able to watch random episodes every now and then for the first two seasons.

"Garbageman" was the first episode of '03 that I saw. It's one of the worst episodes of the series, but I still liked it and the serious tone reminded me a bit of the Red Sky seasons of '87. I only became a fan of the show, though, after seeing some of the later episodes like "The Shredder Strikes Part 2" and "Tales of Leo".

I was able to watch both the original cartoon and 4Kids show at the same time for nearly a decade, as '87 was regularly rerun on the Irish TV channel RTE Two from the mid 90s to late 00s. '87 isn't as good as I remembered it, but nearly half of the episodes are still fun to watch, in my opinion. I prefer '03, though, as it had better characterisation and story arcs and was based on the original Mirage Comics.

Netkeeper
04-30-2015, 06:02 PM
Anyway, I'm interested to know, all of you guys who are big fans of the 4kids series, was this the first series you were brought up on, or introduced to the TMNT by?
No. I didn't even attempt to watch much of it until I was in my 20's. The TMNT I was brought up on were the original three films', though even as a kid I hated the third one. :lol: But I watched those first two to death. I wasn't even big on the 87 cartoon as a kid because the turtles were too different from the ones in the movie [and I hated Next Mutation].

Speaking of the original movies, if those voices are your favourite turtle voices, you'd like the 4Kids cast. They based the turtle voices on those.

CyberCubed
04-30-2015, 06:17 PM
4kids was already long after I was a fan of the original cartoon, movies and Archie series. In fact I was 16 when the 2k3 series came out so it felt perfect for my age when I was getting older and looking for more serious or plot-driven cartoons.

That being said I still enjoy the majority of the original cartoon and I watch it every few years.

D Piddy 1982
05-01-2015, 05:09 AM
Watched "Monster Hunter" last night. Really enjoyed it!

The episode I had seen previously was "The Shredder Strikes Back part 1". Awesome stuff!

Yep think I'm gonna have to start getting into this one, especially as there appears to be no sign of season 3 of the Nick series here in the UK?...

aliena
05-03-2015, 09:44 PM
My thoughts so far...

I've just finished season one and so far I like the show. Some of my favorite things are:

Raph- I like all incarnations of Raph, but this one is probably my favorite. I love his voice.
Leo- He is more serious in this series and maybe a bit more of a loner? I'm not sure just yet what it is about him, but I do like him a lot.
Splinter- He's both tough and funny. He leaves to go fight with them from time to time.
I love how the episodes are a lot more adventurous. They get out and go past the norm.
I like Don and Mikey's relationship so far.

so far, my dislikes are:
I can't stand the intros. There doesn't seem to be a real need for them as anything more than a preview before I watch the episode.

Casey is horrible. I can't stand this incarnation of him. Maybe he'll grow on me as I keep watching.

Leo and Don's voices are so similar that sometimes I don't know who is talking.

Mikey- I just don't care for this Mikey. I don't like his terrible jokes that do not make me laugh. He is not as caring as I'm accustomed to. I suppose he is more serious than 2012 Mikey and the others respect and depend on him a bit more.

Bio_Ninja
06-26-2015, 06:30 PM
You probably can collect the first 2 seasons with minimal trouble but collecting season 3 or more precisely "turtles against h.a.t.e" can be difficult since it is very rare to find an auction on ebay and even if there is an auction the final price is usually around $200, the 2003 dvd releases are out of order but these may be the best releases for this series since it seems that Nikelodeon are releasing them in a WORSE order.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-26-2015, 06:39 PM
My thoughts so far...

I've just finished season one and so far I like the show. Some of my favorite things are:

Raph- I like all incarnations of Raph, but this one is probably my favorite. I love his voice.
Leo- He is more serious in this series and maybe a bit more of a loner? I'm not sure just yet what it is about him, but I do like him a lot.
Splinter- He's both tough and funny. He leaves to go fight with them from time to time.
I love how the episodes are a lot more adventurous. They get out and go past the norm.
I like Don and Mikey's relationship so far.

so far, my dislikes are:
I can't stand the intros. There doesn't seem to be a real need for them as anything more than a preview before I watch the episode.

Casey is horrible. I can't stand this incarnation of him. Maybe he'll grow on me as I keep watching.

Leo and Don's voices are so similar that sometimes I don't know who is talking.

Mikey- I just don't care for this Mikey. I don't like his terrible jokes that do not make me laugh. He is not as caring as I'm accustomed to. I suppose he is more serious than 2012 Mikey and the others respect and depend on him a bit more.

You pretty much nailed everything in one go, Aliena. :tsmile:


Raph does have a great voice.
Leo is definitely the leader, and we see him mature. 4Kids TMNT is pretty much his story, though the other Turtles do get a lot of development, too (Raph the least).
Splinter is a badass.
4Kids Casey is the worst incarnation of the character ever. He's slapstick bumbling comic relief... basically, 4Kids is to Casey what Fred Wolf was to the four Turtles... except much worse.
Mikey can be really annoying. Sometimes not, but a lot of times, yes.

Bio_Ninja
06-26-2015, 06:46 PM
4Kids Casey is the worst incarnation of the character ever. He's slapstick bumbling comic relief... basically, 4Kids is to Casey what Fred Wolf was to the four Turtles... except much worse.
Mikey can be really annoying. Sometimes not, but a lot of times, yes.
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I personally liked Casey and Mikey in the 2003 series, i found Casey very funny especially in the TCRI lobby and i did think that Mikey became annoying during Fast Forward, Back to the sewers and Turtles forever.

madyankees
06-26-2015, 09:35 PM
In my opinion, the series with the best TMNT storylines /arcs BUT i do feel the whole thing tailed off badly starting with the fast forward season.

Prowler
06-27-2015, 08:25 PM
I don't agree with Raph's voice being good. He sounded quite old for a teenager. And yes, he needed to lay off the smokes.

Nothing wrong with him having a New Yorker accent, though. Movie 1 Raph had a better voice than 4Kids Raph, imo.

THGhost
06-27-2015, 10:55 PM
Simply put, yes. It is. It's no doubt the best TMNT cartoon in terms of writing, characters, action and storytelling. :tcool:

LeotheLateBloomer
06-28-2015, 07:41 AM
I don't agree with Raph's voice being good. He sounded quite old for a teenager. And yes, he needed to lay off the smokes.

Nothing wrong with him having a New Yorker accent, though. Movie 1 Raph had a better voice than 4Kids Raph, imo.

To be fair, non of the turtles voices in any incarnation ever had them sounding like teenagers.