The next mutation

[Lanagirl]

8) Hello Guys! You know today i was shown a movie about the ninja turtles and i have never seen it before. It is called the next mutation. I liked it. what do you think about this movie? About those dragons. I guess they are very stupid and funny. But i'd like to ask what happened to Shredder in this episode? What did Venus do to him??
Thanks guys
i hope to hear from you soon.
Good Luck.
PS: is this movie the last about TMNT?

[Nturtle]

Next Mutation was a series following up the cartoon in live action format, it aired on fox for a little while and was canceled for very good reasons. I've only seen it once but I don't really want to see it again, its preety much shunned away by all us turtle fans

[Kali]

But i'd like to ask what happened to Shredder in this episode? What did Venus do to him??She used her Shinobi mind powers to make him see the error of his ways. AKA She fried his brain! Bwahahahahahahaha!

I happen to love the show. It's supposed to follow after the movies, but basically goes off on a tangent from the "accepted" Turtle-verse. That's NOT a bad thing people! But that's your own opinion, I can't make you like it.

PS: is this movie the last about TMNT?Actually, it's an edited version of the first five episodes of the TV series. It was horribly edited, 110 minutes in 75 minutes of tape. They cut 35 minutes! That's probably why that version seems so confusing.
Anyway, it was "the last about TMNT" for awhile, but now we've got a few projects coming up that should be better than that. (Hey, I said I liked it, not that it was the best TMNT had to offer.)

[Lanagirl]

:roll: That was agreat answer. so Shred won't appear in show again,will he?

[Kali]

Actually, he does appear in TNM again, in one episode. But I've only got five eps on tape, and that's not one of them. :goofygri:

He'll definately be in the new projects.

[spazyk]

Yea I loved the show i recored all the eps witht the dragon lord and then bought the vid but the vid is choped up alot! I like the one i recored off tv better!

[Bowser_Koopa]

how many eps/seasons did the next mutation have?

[Kali]

One season, 26 episodes. They were signed on for a second season, but it got cancelled before they could make it.

[Deskjet Shredder]

Poor Shredder!
The very first ep was OK. Though the Turtles might have moved their lips while speaking! :P
I made myself watch the second ep (where Shredder dies) up to the end and then I watched the 3rd one (with the dragons) but it didn't give me any pleasure anymore so I gave up watching.

[Lanagirl]

DID SHREDDER DIE????????? :sick: :goofygri: :cry: :-? :o

[Kali]

Shredder does not die! I can understand how you would think that if you didn't see past the first episodes, but he didn't die. Well, according to Venus' words: Shredder did die, was Oroku Saki lived on. Yes, I know it sounds complicated.

So, he doesn't die, he returns in episode 17, Enemy of my Enemy.

[R-iZZy]

I actually liked the enemies on the next mutation. but i always adored the comic book series the most. if only i could get issues 1 and 2 for our newest volume of the series. plus, when is issue4 coming?!!!

[Kali]

Uh, Issue four is out already.

[Lanagirl]

:P I am really happy that Shred is ok. And i love dragon lord and mean Vic :lol: But i just don't like this monkey and crazy hunter. I guess they are not funny at all,guys. What do you think? And what will happen to dragons? will they be ok?
thanks again.

[Kali]

Well, at the end of 26 episodes the dragons were still strong and causing trouble, but according to the TMNT Letters at the Official Site, they were defeated. Just sent away to another prison.

I kinda liked the hunter, Bonesteel. He's one of the few TMNT villians to actually be insane. I respect that. Besides, he's fun to write! :lol:

[Nturtle]

The ratking is the ultimate insane character :)

[Kingkapong]

i agree that the ratking is the most insane character!! NOTE: I REALLY HATE THM. it's the worse thing ever. in previous threads, i've given a lot of insults to it and for now, it's not even worth mentioning nonetheless insulting.

[Lanagirl]

You know i'm a big fan of turtles despite my age:-) I don't know what to do. I can't live without them. and i also think that their enemies do play a big role in the show because the turtles wouldn't be so cool without them.
You know Russia is a country of paradoxes and here is very difficult to realize what is going on. I mean that i saw the movie where turtles were travelling in time and an episode.. where i saw superShredder. sorry i really can't say how it's called in english because we're shown only russian versions.You are really lucky guys cause you can see the original. so i'd like to ask are these episodes old. did they appear earlier than the next mutation??
phew
that was a long letter :lol: 8)

[Nturtle]

Don't worry none of us here act our age :P !!!
You saw the third movie which was a total failure, as for the super shredder, he never appeared in the cartoon nor in Next mutation, but was in the end of the second movie

[Bowser_Koopa]

Don't worry none of us here act our age :P !!!
You saw the third movie which was a total failure, as for the super shredder, he never appeared in the cartoon nor in Next mutation, but was in the end of the second movie
total failure :sick: :embarass: ........ i liked it.isn't super shredder the shredder that used the ooze on himself?

[Nturtle]

it was preety bad, yeah A can of mutagen crashed on him and thats what turned him into super shredder

[Kali]

Supposedly. :ohwell:

[R-iZZy]

super shredder was the final giant shredder at the end of "Secret of the Ooze". i know this because i have had the first three action movies for a long time (and i still watch them). plus, i have that cheesy next mutation video... which was partially funny. i mean tje way michaelangelo tried to hit on his sister (i believe they are all brothers, i dont care what the show says. they were brothers in the original movies and in the comic book collection... i think). anyway... super shredder is the shredder that oozes himself at the end. he must've not been that much of competition, because he only lasted five minutes in the movie. that would be nice.

[Kali]

Actually, no where in the comics or movies or cartoons do they actually prove they're all blood related. Still, that doesn't stop them from being brothers.

Don't even get me started on my Super Shredder theories.

[R-iZZy]

hey... if they all look the same and fight the same (Raphael is partially an acception), then i'd say they're brothers. and no force on earth cam change my mind.

::crack of thunder BOOMS::

okay, they're probably not brothers, ::mutters under breath:: psyche!

[enigma-1]

The TMNT may not be blood related but they were still raised together and that makes them brothers. Doesn't matter if you're adopted, related biologically, or what, those you know best and care about the most are your family.

*smacks forehead* Oy, I know I'm going out of my mind now.

[Kali]

That's your opinion. It's cool. I have no proof they're NOT blood related (except in the case of TNM) and even though I don't think they're related, and still think they're brothers at heart and that's all that counts.

[enigma-1]

I still think I'm going out of my mind if I say something that corny.

[Kali]

I know. I cringe every time I hear "Raph and Roll" or "It's Green Time" but in my opinion, the good stuff out weights the bad. I still like it.

[enigma-1]

Are you kidding? If anyone I know IRL read that, they would think something is wrong w/ me.

[R-iZZy]

so... they are brothers in all of ur opinions, right?

::thunder cracks with a BOOM::

Ah, shut up!!!

[enigma-1]

For me, I suppose it is. Like I said, it doesn't matter about blood. What counts is how you feel about others.

[Kali]

Yes, of course. They're closer than many human brothers are. *is suddenly struck by lightning*

*is now burnt and smoking* I think that was for Frustrations. *coughcough*

[R-iZZy]

ah kali... we're a match made in he... ::pauses:: well, we're both struck by lightning so much!!! hehe

[enigma-1]

*leans against a wall* Hmm, surprised it hasn't fried your brains yet. That's what happened to Wolfe.

[azure turtle]

Gee, all of this lightning and Miss Mab is nowhere to be found. :goofygri:

[Bowser_Koopa]

i think the turtles r brothers cuz in the first comic leonardo says something about it , and if they didn't want us to think they r brothers why would they make them say that, i always thought they were brother, and i like to think like that :) please don't convine they aren't :(
http://www.ninjaturtles.com/comics/mirage/one/pg19.jpg
http://www.ninjaturtles.com/comics/mirage/one/pg24.jpg

[Kali]

Nah, I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm just trying to express my opinion, which is what we're supposed to do here. This would be kinda boring if everybody thought the same thing.

[Skeletoncrew]

BTW, isn't that Raphael in the first panel? He's the one who delivered the message to Oroku Saki.

[Kali]

Raph is in the first panel. Leo's the one who says it on the second page there. Still, you'd call your adopted silblings "brother" and "sister", wouldn't you?

Not trying to convince anyone, just stating an opinion. They're mentally brothers, if not physically.

[Kingkapong]

i agree with that. i dug up this book that specified that each turtle came from different petshops (but on the cover it had the word "unofficial"). this is another mystery.

[Kali]

Yeah, in every universe the turtles were in the same jar, so it's assumed they all came from the same shop. I mean, would you go to four different stores for pets when you could get four from one store?

Or maybe the kid did, I don't know. Pet shop turtles are usually bred on a turtle farm. I don't know how those work, so I'm not sure whether nests are split up or not. Maybe they are related.

It's 100 degrees! I don't want to think anymore!

[enigma-1]

Perhaps this is one of life's mysteries that will never be solved by anyone but the creators.

[miss mab]

Chances are the petshop would have to custom order four turtles since those suckers arent exactly plentiful like hampsters in most petshops(at least thats been my experience). Most likely the petshop would of had to of ordered from a special turtle place and four were just randomly shipped together.

[Kingkapong]

hmm...also, the turtles have different skin colours. leo and mike's colour are the same and don and ralphs are similar (in the movies). can't tell in the cartoon.

[HorseTechie]

O heck.. just write a letter to Laird and/or Berger and have it settled once and for all! :wink: (I think I may do that... hrmmm...)

But yeah, I'm also one to believe they are brothers. The TNM is the ONLY exception I'll say they are not. Everywhere else, I figure they are blood related.

O course, in Higure, I twisted the facts a bit by saying that Mike n Don were related, and Leo and Raph are not blood related to anyone. But that's my weird ass fic for yah. :P

[Kali]

Yeah, I tend to do that too, change tiny details like that from fic to fic, depending on the plot and stuff. For example, I don't think humans and Turtles could interbreed, but I've done it on one occasion, with reason.

I usually don't dwell on it at all unless it's an important point. My view: Blood or not, they're brothers.

[Kingkapong]

ah well, everyone has different point of views.

[enigma-1]

*nods* Too true, in more than one way.

[miss mab]

I figure if you've been raised with them as brothers, you're gonna see em as brothers...dna or not. O_o Though I really doubt they're totally blood related. Chances are highly slim in a logical way.

Then again, who's to deny odd probabilities. I mean heck, chances glass breaks and mutagen are rare. Who's to say what not? O_o

[Nturtle]

Yeah growing up together and all has probably given them all those brotherly connections or whatever but they may as well of been seprate put in the same jar as be brothers

[R-iZZy]

to think... i started this whole mix-up. and im supposed to be the idiot of this board.

please let me know if i am still the idiot. and i have that issue of raphael sending teh message to oroku saki (who doesn't?). anyway... my thought has always been for over ten years that they are related.

your friendly idiot neighbor stopping by without a trace of lightning behind my back. yay!

[Skeletoncrew]

Personally I don't have any strong opinions on the blood-relation issue. They're a family unit, thats all I care about. All this talk of petshops is reminding me of our speculation as to whether Splinter might have fathered any ratties before Yoshi bought him. :P

Hmmm...now I'm wondering why in all his years of scheming cartoon Shredder never created a female turtle (or rat maybe) to use against them?

[azure turtle]

Now now, Ninja Nin. You aren't an idiot. Everyone just has different opinions, that's all. I've always believed that they're related, but that's what I think.

I've actually wondered the same thing, SC! Why didn't Shredder take a girl off the streets and turn her into a mutant turtle? It'd definitely affect the turtles' if they discovered that there was a female turtle...She'd surely be a distraction. Hmm...this reminds of Kali's Midori fic. :)

[Skeletoncrew]

Yeah, I was reminded of Midori after I started writing that. Maybe it would have been too "adult" of a concept for the cartoon. Though they did have the turtles (and Splinter sort of) ogling April in "April Foolish". At the very least he could have gotten a hooker (or some other sort of woman that would be willing to do the job) to pretend she was being attacked by Rocksteady and Bebob (or something), and then the turtles "save" her...then she could infiltrate their lair... But I think a female mutant would have been a really easy way to defeat them.

BTW, I just watched a NM clip...Splinter's head isn't terribly good...but I love all the leg he's showing! :wink:

[azure turtle]

Oh dear.... :sweatdro:

I don't remember much of TNM, since I only watched a handful of episodes. But from the clips and pics I've seen, the costumes do look pretty good. The mouths don't really match the voices, though.

[Kali]

As for the female turtle thing, I think a cartoon plot would be more along the lines of Missing Pieces, with Angel/Cassidy. I wrote that to sound a lot like one of the cartoon episodes. Even going so far as to always writing their full names. It actually has Krang and Shredder creating a female turtle to distract the Turtles and "infiltrate" the lair. Nothing goes right after that, of course.

It strikes us as an obvious solution, but I don't think Shredder's mind works quite the same way. He caught onto their weakness for pizza, and saving April and other innocents, though. He's just not a big fan of psychological warfare. No wonder he never won.

[HorseTechie]

Hmmm...now I'm wondering why in all his years of scheming cartoon Shredder never created a female turtle (or rat maybe) to use against them?
oo... wait, wait, wait.... *tries to think* gah, I can't remeber it well... but there were opposing female chars in the eps that the Turtles had something of a rondevous with. Like Lotus Blossom... and then Mona Lisa...? Did Lotus start out working for Shredder?

[Kali]

Lotus was hired by Krang to replace Shredder. He hired her because she was a skilled ninja and he could match her price. Leonardo getting a crush on her wasn't really planned.

The love potion in Green With Jealousy was the closest time Krang and Shredder came to using the Turtles' teenage hormones against them. That I can remember.

[miss mab]

Was that the one where they all fell for Irma...well..except Donatello since he was driving. :P

I mean really though, if you want distraction, grab a teenage girl, turtleize her, then drop her in the lap of the four of them. It would be better off if she was kinda scared and confused and not part of the scheme cause then thered be honest sympathy and you could guess most of them would be trying their best to go the distance in good intentions to get her good side.

Though in cartoon world, they would soon after go off to try to "get the antidote" or something but then again who knows. :P

[Kali]

I know, that's what I did in Missing Pieces. Except I also gave her amnesia. Well, Shredder did. Can't recall why exactly I did that. I think I wanted them to focus more on her immediate problem and kinda forget Shredder for awhile.

I must go back and re read exactly what I wrote.

[HorseTechie]

heh.. or the producers prolly didn't want to scare off the young male audience by having too many mushy love situations with the Turtles... rrr something. You know how boys are about girls when they are 10-12. Eewww... cooties!! *shrug*

[azure turtle]

*walks into the thread*
Huh? Who has cooties?? :eek:

[R-iZZy]

i agree with the girl thing... cuz they need to bring some type of weakness to the turtles. (at a teenage age, boys have more hormones than control, hehe) anyway... letz make sure to keep the turtles strictly pg or pg-13, but we dont need to see turtle things taking itz course

your friendly turtle lovin idiot!!!

[Kali]

*coughcough* Well, we'll keep it PG-13 here at least.

[enigma-1]

*nods* Probably for the best. Never can tell who's reading these.

[azure turtle]

*coughcough* Well, we'll keep it PG-13 here at least.
*snicker*
I hope so! There may be youngens visit this crazy forum ;)

[Skeletoncrew]

Well, I finally broke down and rented Next Mutation today. I had ordered it through half.com, but its been nearly a month and it hasn't arrived yet! Of course, my brand new VCR/TV combo decided to fail. I'll be returning it tomorrow. So, no Next Mutation for me until tomorrow night at the earliest!

[Kali]

I hope you actually get to watch it, SC! Too bad you won't be seeing those edited out parts. *grumbles*

[Kingkapong]

phhhhhhh!! next mutation. what a waste.

[Skeletoncrew]

I need to find someone with videos willing to make copies for me. I'm really curious about the series.

[azure turtle]

I'd like to get my hands on the TNM video just so I could remember how it was...I wish ABC Family would start airing them. I don't understand why they'd air the Power Rangers over TNM...

[Skeletoncrew]

Well, I returned the TV/VCR combo, spent and extra $10 and came home with a separate TV and VCR. I enjoyed NM. But it was quite obvious that there was some bad editting... Venus' arrival was VERY confusing. Did she tie them all up?!

BTW, I noticed that Mike and Leo were each wearing a leather garter. Did those have a purpose? Or was it just a fashion statement? :lol:

[enigma-1]

*snorts* Nearly a month is nothing. Once, I ordered an anime tape and it was supposed to take 4-6 weeks to arrive. WRONG! It took 3 months exactly, and I"m serious when I say it arrived the same day I first ordered it.

[Kali]

On TNM, yeah, Venus did tie them up. Or at least their ankles, and suspended them from the ceiling. 8) Very cool in my opinion. If there's anything you need cleared up, ask me, I've got the full eps. I just wish I had a way to make copies, but I don't. :(

As for the garters, I'm pretty sure Donnie wears one too. I'm not sure why.

[Skeletoncrew]

Hmmm...so I'm not that far off in making her a dominatrix am I? :lol:

Another issue...don't they have beds?! Splinter was sleeping propped against the wall with Venus in his lap, Leo and Mike on the couch together...

[Kingkapong]

eeeeewwwwwwwwww!!!!! the thoght of it!!! disgusting!!!

[Kali]

:roll: And you say WE have dirty minds, Kingkapong. Grow up.

That always confused me. I guess the set they built just didn't have enough room for seperate sleeping quarters. Although it looks like the station from the movies, it's obviously much smaller.

That, or they've filled it with so much junk that they can no longer find their beds.

[Skeletoncrew]

Although I do like the "funky lair with lots of stuff" look, I prefer the lair as it is in the cartoon. Nice and neat. I suppose Splinter could be the pack rat type, but he seems to be an orderly sort of person. Plus, sleeping against a wall would NOT be comfortable!

[Kali]

I always saw it like that. A large main room, kitchen, and dojo, wiith each turtle and Splinter having their own room. Or maybe the guys sharing rooms, which seems to be popluar in fan fics.

(edit: Sorry, the first draft sounded wrong.)

[HorseTechie]

Hmmm...so I'm not that far off in making her a dominatrix am I? :lol:
*heee* She just drove Raph insane, cause he couldn't 'beat' her either. Or this other time she put itching powder down Don's shell cause his logic was peeving her! :evilgrin:

Another issue...don't they have beds?! Splinter was sleeping propped against the wall with Venus in his lap, Leo and Mike on the couch together...
:o Venus and Splinter were sleeping together? (heh, just kidding!) I didn't see that. I guess I was too distracted with the way Mike and Leo were sleeping on the couch.

But as I understood it, Splinter did have his own quarters in the subway car where he rested. But it didn't make sense to me that the guys didnt have any real place to sleep. In TMNT1, I saw that they slept on mats in one tunnel area sectioned off from the main room. But that's Saban for yah.

In my fics and movie/TNM based RPGs, we gave them a sleeping area in the other end of the subway car.

[Edit: See below. --Krang]

[Kingkapong]

stupid saban

[Skeletoncrew]

:o Venus and Splinter were sleeping together? (heh, just kidding!) I didn't see that. I guess I was too distracted with the way Mike and Leo were sleeping on the couch.

Well, I saw her out of the corner of my eye, and rewound to get another look. They really were in the background. I couldn't tell whether his walking stick was close at hand. Maybe he was just being the good father and guarding his adopted daughter from the slobbering males. :roll:

But as I understood it, Splinter did have his own quarters in the subway car where he rested. But it didn't make sense to me that the guys didnt have any real place to sleep. In TMNT1, I saw that they slept on mats in one tunnel area sectioned off from the main room. But that's Saban for yah.


Silly people. Even mutants need their own space to sleep. Personally I picture them either with their own rooms, or sharing rooms. It depends on which works best in the fanfic I'm writing. Shared worked for Moonlight, so thats what I did.

[Edit: See below. --Krang]

[Kingkapong]

the seperate room thing is good or i picture that they are sleeping in seperate sleeping bags.

[Krang]

Sorry, but the topic that was being discussed seemed to be heading for a flame war, so I had to delete the posts about that topic (and edit 2 of the earlier ones). I hope nobody is offended by this, since I was only trying to help prevent a flame war. If you would like to discuss that topic further, feel free to email or PM each other, but please keep it off these forums. Thanks.

[HorseTechie]

*shrug* I don't mind, I guess. Makes sense though, that if it bothers many (me included), I should know better than to bring it up.

[Skeletoncrew]

Huh. I'm not even sure what we were talking about that would have had the potential to start a flame war. Oh well, must not have been important. Apologies though if I stepped on anyone's toesies.

BTW, I noticed that they didn't seem to fight with their weapons a whole lot in NM. Most of the combat I saw was hand to hand.

[R-iZZy]

::watches Friday (that movie)::

as the pop said, any man can use weapons... but it takes a real man to fight with their bare hands. i think thatz what he said.

[R-iZZy]

i need to start posting on this topic more.

[PWDESAI]

what's pm? who was gonna get into a flame war? thank god ur around krang, so many "flamers" (teehee) are popping up, and the forums at www.undermanhattan.com don't have any moderators or anything
Paul

[R-iZZy]

huh? what flamers? help me mommy!!!

[Skeletoncrew]

PM=Private Message. I don't know who was getting into a flame war, or why. It doesn't matter.

[Krang]

who was gonna get into a flame war?Nobody in particular, but the topic that was being discussed has a history of starting them. If anyone still doesn't know what I'm talking about or doesn't understand why I deleted those posts, email or PM me and I'll explain it further...

[Kingkapong]

hmm... they fought with their bare hands... maybe because weapons also made it seem that there is more violence.

[R-iZZy]

i think they were just trying to be REAL men... i mean turtles.

[Skeletoncrew]

I figured its just more difficult to stage fights with weapons. Especially having to handle them in those costumes.

[HorseTechie]

The only real fight I remember, was when Raph and Leo sparred with bambo staffs to settle a point. That one was actually pretty cool to watch too!

[PWDESAI]

im which movie? i don't remember that, was that the third one? OHHHHH dumb me, next mutation... duh. That's neat, now I wish i paid more attention to the turtles back then, i missed out on most episodes, i only saw 1 or 2 on tv, and bought the vhs. I think it's because back then i didn't have that good of an attention span :sleep: during the last few years i've really matured
Paul

[HorseTechie]

heh... well, TNM came on when I was still at work. So I had the VCR tape them all. Too bad I didn't keep those tapes. :oops:

[R-iZZy]

but that bamba stick/point settling thingy is in the nex mutation video... you know, the dumb video that edits out everything!!!

[Kingkapong]

yeah.