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Powder
12-10-2015, 12:09 AM
I guess I was inspired by that dude who whipped up some shoops the first time around. I was screencapping the HD trailer & this shot of Mikey just kinda left me unsettled, mostly due to how far apart his eyes were. So I moved them closer together. Once I had done that, I couldn't help but continue to tinker with his features & I was ultimately left with a rather familiar look. :tlol:

So, what if?

http://i65.tinypic.com/2duf9kj.png

Bry
12-10-2015, 12:11 AM
You're a freaking miracle worker. That looks at least 100 times better.

Technogeek29
12-10-2015, 12:11 AM
Was this really so hard to do? The face is the first thing a lot of us are complaining about...Ok one of but not the main thing.

TurtleTitan97
12-10-2015, 12:13 AM
Maybe I'm in the minority, but something just seems....off.

IDK, when it comes to realistic Turtle designs, the Out of the Shadows video game look would be my preference.

Leo656
12-10-2015, 12:16 AM
It's ridiculous how much better that looks, guy.

Wildcat
12-10-2015, 12:29 AM
So this would still be considered awful? Because noses suck? Seriously people, complain all you want about size, clothes and lips but nostrils should be there. In the cartoons too.

http://s1.postimg.org/ykylifwtr/2duf9kj_kindlephoto_8396405.jpg

Slap-Happy
12-10-2015, 12:31 AM
Ehhhhhh.... I like the unaltered more. It'd work better if his head was the same shape as the original picture instead of that 1990 shape.

Powder
12-10-2015, 12:47 AM
So this would still be considered awful? Because noses suck? Seriously people, complain all you want about size, clothes and lips but nostrils should be there. In the cartoons too.

http://s1.postimg.org/ykylifwtr/2duf9kj_kindlephoto_8396405.jpg

I only see Donkey Kong.

Ehhhhhh.... I like the unaltered more. It'd work better if his head was the same shape as the original picture instead of that 1990 shape.

You'd think so, but that was not the case, I found. Hadda pad it out a little. I guess I should've kept a WIP to prove myself, but alas...

Commenter 42
12-10-2015, 12:50 AM
Yes Powder. Correct.

Wildcat
12-10-2015, 12:57 AM
I only see Donkey Kong. Ha, Thats because the mouth part on the old turtles are rounded and stick out like an ape. Not because of two simple holes.

It says more about the old designs, which I do love, but are in no way a realistic representation of a humanoid turtle face.

Commenter 42
12-10-2015, 12:59 AM
Ha, Thats because the mouth part on the old turtles are rounded and stick out like an ape. Not because of two simple holes.

It says more about the old designs, which I do love, but are in no way a realistic representation of a humanoid turtle face.

and these shittastic versions are? Stop it man, there is NO turtle in Bay's version.

Sighphi
12-10-2015, 01:04 AM
i like that you removed the chain.

Wildcat
12-10-2015, 01:04 AM
and these shittastic versions are? Stop it man, there is NO turtle in Bay's version. Leo is best looking out of the PD Turtles but that wasn't my point.

It's that people hating for the turtles to have even two simple holes for nostrils. Not the Shrek-like nose. Obviously that does not look good.

Powder
12-10-2015, 01:14 AM
Ha, Thats because the mouth part on the old turtles are rounded and stick out like an ape. Not because of two simple holes.

It says more about the old designs, which I do love, but are in no way a realistic representation of a humanoid turtle face.

Yes, that is correct. I never said otherwise. It just struck me like DK.

I also never said they were a realistic representation of a humanoid turtle face. For one, no such thing exists. It was just a vision of what I'd like to see, something more synonymous with the "classic" look. Das all, mane.

i like that you removed the chain.

I was actually tempted to leave it in, honestly! It's not that bad, at least compared to the stuff he had on last time. But that's just my tastes.


It's that people hating for the turtles to have even two simple holes for nostrils. Not the Shrek-like nose. Obviously that does not look good.

I dunno about anyone else but my not including nostrils wasn't meant to be a statement against them. Out Of The Shadows (the game) did a killer job making use of nose holes. I just didn't feel they'd work terribly well with my rendition.

Commenter 42
12-10-2015, 01:16 AM
Leo is best looking out of the PD Turtles but that wasn't my point.

It's that people hating for the turtles to have even two simple holes for nostrils. Not the Shrek-like nose. Obviously that does not look good.

Ok, I mean, yeah - TMNT have never looked particularly turtle-ish....but the nostrils a really distracting on faces so broad and blank...

I think it's that, no matter how you do it, the nostrils draw a lot of attention to themselves. Yes, even in OOTSVG. it may be incorrect, even impossible to have no nostrils IRL, but so would the ned for a flexible spine to do half the **** they do...

Wildcat
12-10-2015, 01:27 AM
@ Powder, ya a humanoid turtle face is up to interpretation. There's no standard although some ultra-realistic fan art is hideous.

I didn't know if you were totally against nostrils. I've just seen complaints about them various times.

@ Commenter 42, ya well they're just 2 simple holes. I think they look fine on any design. They don't even need to be very big. Those who find them too distracting just aren't used to them.

On top of the "nose". Not smack in the middle of the face.

Powder
12-10-2015, 01:30 AM
I'm not exactly for them, but as evidenced by OOTS, they can be done justice. I don't particularly care for how they look in the new films, but that's more due to the nose bump than the holes themselves (like with Mikey, eugh). Leo, who has a more "normal" TMNT face, doesn't suffer from having them at all, looks just fine.

LeotheLateBloomer
12-10-2015, 01:50 AM
LOL, much better! You made his overall face look a little closer to the '90 film's version.:lol:

Wildcat
12-10-2015, 01:57 AM
@ Powder, Ya like I said Leo looks fine. Honestly though I don't like the OoTS video game look. They're too flatfaced. This is the best live action interpretation I've seen. Minus the out-line around the mouth, like Homer Simpson.

It's simple, shows character and has enough turtle in it with the shape and "beak". Just put some basic holes for nostrils. I know it been shown before just thought I'd give an example.

http://s21.postimg.org/uei4ol1g7/turtle_comp_2014_kindlephoto_13673258.jpg

Walkabout
12-10-2015, 02:27 AM
I could stomach these abominable movies if the Turtles looked like this (Powder's).

I don't know how they could get everything about these movies so horribly wrong.

chrisdude
12-10-2015, 09:26 AM
Lord, are we really doing this again? This is an easy trick. The whole reasoning behind the humanoid mouth was the way it looks in motion. The closer to a human face, the more articulation, the more expression translates from the actor. You can't do that with a muppet mouth.

It's the same thing with people praising concept art. Making an image look good and making a 3D model look good in motion are two wildly different things.

Powder
12-10-2015, 09:45 AM
"We" aren't doing anything. I meddled around in Paint Tool Sai for a half hour & shared the results. I'm not passing it off to Platinum Dunes to petition their creative choices. :tlol:

For what it's worth though, I don't need them to be that expressive anyway. It's all in the eyes for me.

Commenter 42
12-10-2015, 09:47 AM
Right - notice they look less fuggly this time. Neat trick that hunh? people said they had to be ugly, it had to be that; It's was what a mutant turtle would look like...:roll:

Like hell.

D'unno bout everyone else, but that bingo card is starting to fill up.

for the 100th bloody time. There was no need for lips on the turtles, and definitely not big pillowy kissable lips....

Or maybe that's your thing... in which case, im'ma be just over there...

Bry
12-10-2015, 09:50 AM
Lord, are we really doing this again? This is an easy trick. The whole reasoning behind the humanoid mouth was the way it looks in motion. The closer to a human face, the more articulation, the more expression translates from the actor. You can't do that with a muppet mouth.

There have been plenty of fantastic-looking creature CGI creations that don't look human at all, though. Rocket Raccoon looked just like a raccoon, and he was plenty expressive. It's certainly easier to make the characters more humanoid to map the expressions directly to the actor's faces, but that doesn't mean it's the "right" or "only" way.

Commenter 42
12-10-2015, 09:53 AM
There have been plenty of fantastic-looking creature CGI creations that don't look human at all, though. Rocket Raccoon looked just like a raccoon, and he was plenty expressive. It's certainly easier to make the characters more humanoid to map the expressions directly to the actor's faces, but that doesn't mean it's the "right" or "only" way.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbgbgqBKzm1rn1ynj.jpg

If only the Turtles had the same natural feel as Rocket...

IndigoErth
12-10-2015, 05:39 PM
That.... looks surprisingly like the original film. :D

Diorm
12-10-2015, 06:02 PM
Now do this Photoshop thingy for the whole first movie, and maybe i'll watch it. :D

Powder
12-10-2015, 07:27 PM
Now do this Photoshop thingy for the whole first movie, and maybe i'll watch it. :D

I have had some fun with the original first movie one time...
http://i63.tinypic.com/2yytwft.png

TerranigmaFreak
12-10-2015, 10:35 PM
Removing the lips and adjusting the facial features did wonders.

Why does Bebop and Rocksteady look more faithful to the source material than the turtles?

Leo656
12-10-2015, 10:36 PM
This debate kind of sums up my problem with the people making the new TMNT movies in a nutshell.

There is a time to "keep it real" and also, a time to say "f*ck keeping it real", and the wisdom is in knowing when and where to apply which.

The people making the new movies are basically doing everything backwards, arguing for "realness" in places where they shouldn't be, and being over-the-top and unrealistic in places where they should be more realistic and grounded.

Faces, characters, the laws of physics... everything they do, is the reverse of what it should be in that situation. Points to them for understanding that you need a mix of both realism and fantastical, but they're completely inept in figuring out what's appropriate from one place to the next.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-10-2015, 10:39 PM
I guess I was inspired by that dude who whipped up some shoops the first time around. I was screencapping the HD trailer & this shot of Mikey just kinda left me unsettled, mostly due to how far apart his eyes were. So I moved them closer together. Once I had done that, I couldn't help but continue to tinker with his features & I was ultimately left with a rather familiar look. :tlol:

So, what if?

http://i65.tinypic.com/2duf9kj.png

Powder, would you be willing to indulge my curiosity and do a version that removes only the lips? The nostrils are a touch I like, as it is more realistic. But dem Botox lips... :tlol:

The Boston Ninja Turtle
12-10-2015, 11:30 PM
Lord, are we really doing this again? This is an easy trick. The whole reasoning behind the humanoid mouth was the way it looks in motion. The closer to a human face, the more articulation, the more expression translates from the actor. You can't do that with a muppet mouth.

It's the same thing with people praising concept art. Making an image look good and making a 3D model look good in motion are two wildly different things.

this excuse has no merit anymore otherwise b&r would look more human than beast


powder you should do all 4 turtles i would love to see that

Powder
12-11-2015, 01:01 AM
Powder, would you be willing to indulge my curiosity and do a version that removes only the lips? The nostrils are a touch I like, as it is more realistic. But dem Botox lips... :tlol:

Removed the philtrum as well. Honestly, that's the worst part of it. I didn't realize until now. Just get rid of the philtrum, tone down the lips, & bring the eyes a little closer together & you've got a perfectly acceptable humanoid turtle.

http://i65.tinypic.com/nq8xaa.png

powder you should do all 4 turtles i would love to see that

Sure, I have some HD screen caps now so I will whip up a group shot to the best of my ability.

Leo656
12-11-2015, 01:07 AM
You're pretty cool, guy.

Powder
12-11-2015, 02:43 AM
I have my moments.

Rushed this but whatever:

http://i63.tinypic.com/317f9ew.png

Candy Kappa
12-11-2015, 04:30 AM
damn, that looks so much better. The big lips and the philtrum needs to go, and the faces are not too bad.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-11-2015, 09:39 AM
I love what you did. Nostrils kinda need to be in any "realistic" design, Cubed's phobia be damned. :tlol:

Bry
12-11-2015, 09:45 AM
Removed the philtrum as well. Honestly, that's the worst part of it. I didn't realize until now. Just get rid of the philtrum, tone down the lips, & bring the eyes a little closer together & you've got a perfectly acceptable humanoid turtle.

http://i65.tinypic.com/nq8xaa.png

I'm honestly stunned by how much better this looks. It's a great happy medium between the classic design and the way-too-human look they've got going on in these movies.

Candy Kappa
12-11-2015, 09:59 AM
Dammit Powder, you got me inspired. But I don't have any photo editing skills, so now I'm drawing my own re-interpretation on Leo.

Sabacooza
12-11-2015, 01:12 PM
The only reason their faces look the way they do in the movie is because they wanted the TMNT to resemble the actors playing them. They can say it's easier for animation purposes and maybe it is to a certain extent but then why do Bebop and Rocksteady look way less human and yet their facial expressions work from what little I've seen. As someone else said, After seeing B&R, that argument doesn't fly anymore. So in the end what we got in the first movie wasn't so great looking and now we're stuck with it. Their looks have grown on me but it just sucks knowing how much better it could've been.

tmnt transformer
12-11-2015, 01:36 PM
Removed the philtrum as well. Honestly, that's the worst part of it. I didn't realize until now. Just get rid of the philtrum, tone down the lips, & bring the eyes a little closer together & you've got a perfectly acceptable humanoid turtle.

http://i65.tinypic.com/nq8xaa.png



Sure, I have some HD screen caps now so I will whip up a group shot to the best of my ability.

Now this, This is perfection! Good work!

Candy Kappa
12-11-2015, 04:54 PM
I tried my own redo, just finished it.

http://orig09.deviantart.net/67b9/f/2015/345/c/7/movie_leonardo_redesign_by_candykappa-d9jsivf.jpg

I based him off a full body image of Pete in the mo-cap suit, various screens from the trailer and of course OotS Leo.

TurtleTitan97
12-11-2015, 05:03 PM
I tried my own redo, just finished it.

http://orig09.deviantart.net/67b9/f/2015/345/c/7/movie_leonardo_redesign_by_candykappa-d9jsivf.jpg

I based him off a full body image of Pete in the mo-cap suit, various screens from the trailer and of course OotS Leo.

Now that's much better.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-11-2015, 06:30 PM
I tried my own redo, just finished it.

http://orig09.deviantart.net/67b9/f/2015/345/c/7/movie_leonardo_redesign_by_candykappa-d9jsivf.jpg

I based him off a full body image of Pete in the mo-cap suit, various screens from the trailer and of course OotS Leo.

Candy, I LOVE that. Do the other three!!! :tgrin:

IndigoErth
12-11-2015, 08:48 PM
I tried my own redo, just finished it.

http://orig09.deviantart.net/67b9/f/2015/345/c/7/movie_leonardo_redesign_by_candykappa-d9jsivf.jpg

I based him off a full body image of Pete in the mo-cap suit, various screens from the trailer and of course OotS Leo.
Aw, too cute. :D

Bry
12-11-2015, 08:51 PM
I tried my own redo, just finished it.

http://orig09.deviantart.net/67b9/f/2015/345/c/7/movie_leonardo_redesign_by_candykappa-d9jsivf.jpg

I based him off a full body image of Pete in the mo-cap suit, various screens from the trailer and of course OotS Leo.

Whoa! Excellent work with this. :tgrin:

Such a better design than the one we got from PD. And the accurate Red-Eared Slider plastron markings are such a nice touch.

MsMarvelDuckie
12-11-2015, 09:45 PM
Removed the philtrum as well. Honestly, that's the worst part of it. I didn't realize until now. Just get rid of the philtrum, tone down the lips, & bring the eyes a little closer together & you've got a perfectly acceptable humanoid turtle.

http://i65.tinypic.com/nq8xaa.png


Sure, I have some HD screen caps now so I will whip up a group shot to the best of my ability.


Wow, that's actually almost PERFECT! He looks so good there, nostrils and all. Cubed be damned, I LOVE this.


I have my moments.

Rushed this but whatever:

http://i63.tinypic.com/317f9ew.png


Wow again! I love it. And Mikey looks ADORABLE there, kind of sweet and bashful, Raph looks like his cynical but snarky self, Leo is so "noble" here, and Don- well, you made "nerd" look "good". Could you do one like this WITH the noses, like that Mikey one? I'd love to see the happy medium here.

pennydreadful
12-12-2015, 02:08 AM
The redesigns in this thread look soooo much freaking better. If anyone needs me, I'll be over in the corner quietly weeping for what might have been...

Foombamaroom
12-12-2015, 07:44 AM
It literally looks like a CGI Mikey from the 1990s movie. I'll take the altered design over the regular one any day.

Powder
12-12-2015, 12:49 PM
It literally looks like a CGI Mikey from the 1990s movie. I'll take the altered design over the regular one any day.

I know it probably seems that way but it was not my intention at all. I just wanted it to look like what we've typically come to see the TMNT as... I guess that means Henson & his crew really did nail it. :trazz:

Leolead
12-13-2015, 05:46 AM
Looks way too cartoony/unrealistic imo. I'll gladly take we got instead. (No offense, dude)

Powder
12-13-2015, 06:12 AM
None taken, you're entitled to your opinion.

But I dunno about "unrelastic", after all, there's no such thing as the TMNT! :trazz:

Leo656
12-13-2015, 06:21 AM
after all, there's no such thing as the TMNT! :trazz:

Heresy........

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-13-2015, 12:34 PM
Heresy........

The TMNT in this universe are just a LOT better at being unobserved and secretive.

Candy Kappa
12-14-2015, 03:16 PM
Candy, I LOVE that. Do the other three!!! :tgrin:

just finished Mikey :P

http://pre06.deviantart.net/2f7d/th/pre/f/2015/348/3/a/movie_michelangelo_redesign_by_candykappa-d9k513r.jpg

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-14-2015, 03:28 PM
just finished Mikey :P

http://pre06.deviantart.net/2f7d/th/pre/f/2015/348/3/a/movie_michelangelo_redesign_by_candykappa-d9k513r.jpg

I love it. So he's wearing a backpack?

Slick that he's got the 'chucks and the kusari-gama...

Can't wait for Donnie and Raph! (PLEASE don't put those awful Urkel/nerd glasses on Donnie.) :tlol:

Candy Kappa
12-14-2015, 03:58 PM
It looks like a backpack or some kind of harness, either way it seems to be storing his skateboard.

TMNT is cooler than MOTU
12-15-2015, 12:35 PM
Removed the philtrum as well. Honestly, that's the worst part of it. I didn't realize until now. Just get rid of the philtrum, tone down the lips, & bring the eyes a little closer together & you've got a perfectly acceptable humanoid turtle.

http://i65.tinypic.com/nq8xaa.png



Sure, I have some HD screen caps now so I will whip up a group shot to the best of my ability.

Excellent work!

TrickOrTreater
12-15-2015, 12:38 PM
Ugh, I shouldn't look in this thread. It bums me out too much with all the amazing, simple redesigns we're seeing and then thinking about what we're getting in the actual movie.

TheJ-manTurtleMan
12-15-2015, 07:59 PM
I would like to see what Raph looks like with just a regular bandanna, I don't know why his do-rag bothers me so much.

Leolead
12-15-2015, 08:26 PM
I tried my own redo, just finished it.

http://orig09.deviantart.net/67b9/f/2015/345/c/7/movie_leonardo_redesign_by_candykappa-d9jsivf.jpg

I based him off a full body image of Pete in the mo-cap suit, various screens from the trailer and of course OotS Leo.

just finished Mikey :P

http://pre06.deviantart.net/2f7d/th/pre/f/2015/348/3/a/movie_michelangelo_redesign_by_candykappa-d9k513r.jpg

Wow, these are amazing... That's kinda, exactly what I wanted for the first movie. Maybe for the next reboot in 2023/2025.

Diorm
12-15-2015, 10:24 PM
Maybe if we show a lot of interest in those redesign, they might reconsider changing how they look in the second movie, right?... Right? :tcry:

Walkabout
12-17-2015, 03:31 AM
I would like to see what Raph looks like with just a regular bandanna, I don't know why his do-rag bothers me so much.

It probably bothers you so much because it really sucks, like most everything else about these...these...turtles.