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ZariusTwo
12-28-2015, 08:23 AM
It's not out until April, but a reviewer got an advance copy and leaked more than a few pages from it.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/12/27/massive-spoilers-for-wonder-woman-earth-one-by-grant-morrison-and-yanick-paquette-hit-the-net-as-does-a-very-negative-reaction/

The artwork I feel is a bit too cartoony to be dealing with the kind of subject matter here, and the unnecessary race-lift for Steve seems to be aiming for the diverse clickbait, but on the plus Etta Candy is a hoot.:)

Leo656
12-28-2015, 09:11 PM
:lol: WHAT?! :lol: Oh my GOD, no they didn't. :lol: WOW. Wow.

That looks okay as far as spank bait but otherwise that's like the WORST sh*t I've ever seen with "Wonder Woman" attached to it. :lol: F*cking PAINFUL. It's like one of those parodies based on the Wonder Woman tropes, like something Ennis would write, not the real thing. Jesus, did DiDio resign and just leave Frank Miller the keys to all of DC? For f*ck's sake! OOF!

I like how they made Steve black just so they can cram in a painfully unnecessary slavery/bondage subplot. I absolutely adored the scene where Wonder Woman hands a spiked dog collar to a black man and tells him to f*cking kneel. :lol::lol::lol:

Gee, I wonder if it's gonna be trash? :lol: I think it might be worthless trash, guys. I just have this burning hunch that it's gonna be worthless trash, but I can't quite put my finger on why. Could be that the whole "bondage and rape" themes aren't exactly supposed to be the entire point of Wonder Woman, but here, they are the entire point.

They need to just make a federal law: If Marv Wolfman and George Perez aren't available, just don't do any Wonder Woman comics. Every single other person who tries it fails so goddamn hard that it hurts.

TurtleTitan97
12-28-2015, 09:29 PM
Yeah, I think I'll pass on this as well.

Candy Kappa
12-29-2015, 01:34 AM
It's like seeing the porn parody getting turned into a DC comic, only tasteless, wow. Good job.

Art is nice I guess?

ZariusTwo
12-29-2015, 05:46 AM
Grant Morrison (the writer...yes, THAT Grant Morrison), is trying to justify it as going back to the roots of the character as envisioned by her creator (he and his wife were kind of into this s*it, and even had a threesome with a teenager)

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-29-2015, 12:26 PM
Somebody's been researching Wonder Woman with the safety filter off, I see... :tlol:

Candy Kappa
12-29-2015, 12:52 PM
Now I'm envisioning a high as a kite Grant Morrison looking up hentai for... References.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-29-2015, 12:53 PM
Now I'm envisioning a high as a kite Grant Morrison looking up hentai for... References.

At least this Wonder Woman book might make a great gag gift. Whoa, I just made a bondage joke without even trying! :tlol:

plastroncafe
12-29-2015, 01:06 PM
DC once again not earning my money.
Color me surprised.

Leo656
12-29-2015, 08:29 PM
See, though, this is the kind of thing I point out whenever someone calls Morrison a "genius". He's not a genius, he's a "pretty good" writer who's far above the mediocre standards of the comic book industry, who's imbibed so heavily on his own bullsh*t for the last 30 years that he THINKS everything he puts on paper is brilliant, mostly because other people keep telling him so. Compared to a guy like Chuck Austen, who probably writes his scripts in big fat Kindergarten crayons with lots of "POW! SMASH!" crammed in the margins, then yes, he's a genius by comparison. But for every really good story he's done, he's done something crummy like this.

Using the original creator's kinks as a justification for this hardly works. If anything it's one of those things that maybe was easily ignored or done tongue-in-cheek back in those days but there's hardly any reason to dredge it up now, the bondage fetish stuff hasn't been relevant to Wonder Woman's character in decades, other than how they usually mention in passing how her bracelets were the shackles Hercules/Heracles used to bind Hippolyta, and they don't even always bother with that.

Like yes, there's themes of bondage and rape and even sapphic romance way deep in the fabric threads of Wonder Woman, but they're SO minor and inconsequential as compared to the rest of the character that they're hardly worth bringing up outside of the origin story. They're not the major things that make her who she is, that the entire rest of the story is built upon.

I mean I've always been well aware that Hercules bound and raped Hippolyta, but I've never quite longed to see the entire scene played out long-form in a Wonder Woman comic. I was fine when it was expository backstory. I think people can visualize the Amazons' history just fine without needing all the details. "Wow, the way Hippolyta bites her lip when Hercules gets it in her butt almost seems as if she's made peace with her fate and is oddly becoming accepting of it! This adds SO much of what was lacking back into the Wonder Woman mythology!" :lol: Said no one ever.

Ah well. Sure seems like comics in general are sh*tting the bed lately. That sucks.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-29-2015, 09:01 PM
Having read "Batman Incorporated", Grant Morrison is NOT a genius. He had a couple of good ideas, but man, the whole story is just swamped in ponderous WTFery.

And this... THIS... are we sure Frank Miller isn't writing this?

Leo656
12-29-2015, 09:15 PM
Morrison is either Best or Worst at Batman, depending who you ask. :lol: I liked a lot of the Black Glove/R.I.P. stuff, but at the same time, that was a looooong two years' worth of story to get "Batman's Unstoppable, Because He's Batman" as the moral at the end. Just a whole lot of stuff going on to tell us something we already knew, guy. And his "everything is canon, I'll make it fit somehow" approach to mainstream comic books is preposterous and weighs his stories down with things that would go completely over most people's heads.

I always come back to Final Crisis with that guy. That thing is like, the best and worst thing I've ever read, for the exact same reasons. It's just too much of a goddamn Grant Morrison book for what it needed to be, and it's pretty much all his fault the New 52 happened. They banked everything on Final Crisis, he went and got too cute with it, it wasn't commercial, people didn't like it, and DC had no choice but to nuke the entire line and start over. So it makes absolute perfect sense, then, that when you start your New Universe, you put MOST of it in the hands of the exact same guy who was more or less responsible for single-handedly ruining everything in the first place, right?! It's like, you hire a guy to fix a hole in the wall, the house falls down, you then hire the guy to build your entire new house.

I've learned, though, that logic and common sense have little to do with who gets what position in comic book companies, it's mostly politics and cronyism. Go figure. I don't hate Grant Morrison's work but I don't want him handling too many of the building blocks. He's good in short bursts and small doses and that's it.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-29-2015, 09:37 PM
Morrison is either Best or Worst at Batman, depending who you ask. :lol: I liked a lot of the Black Glove/R.I.P. stuff, but at the same time, that was a looooong two years' worth of story to get "Batman's Unstoppable, Because He's Batman" as the moral at the end. Just a whole lot of stuff going on to tell us something we already knew, guy. And his "everything is canon, I'll make it fit somehow" approach to mainstream comic books is preposterous and weighs his stories down with things that would go completely over most people's heads.

I always come back to Final Crisis with that guy. That thing is like, the best and worst thing I've ever read, for the exact same reasons. It's just too much of a goddamn Grant Morrison book for what it needed to be, and it's pretty much all his fault the New 52 happened. They banked everything on Final Crisis, he went and got too cute with it, it wasn't commercial, people didn't like it, and DC had no choice but to nuke the entire line and start over. So it makes absolute perfect sense, then, that when you start your New Universe, you put MOST of it in the hands of the exact same guy who was more or less responsible for single-handedly ruining everything in the first place, right?! It's like, you hire a guy to fix a hole in the wall, the house falls down, you then hire the guy to build your entire new house.

I've learned, though, that logic and common sense have little to do with who gets what position in comic book companies, it's mostly politics and cronyism. Go figure. I don't hate Grant Morrison's work but I don't want him handling too many of the building blocks. He's good in short bursts and small doses and that's it.

Politics and cronyism? Shut up, you. Next you'll be telling me Scott Lobdell isn't a good writer. :tlol:

myconius
03-08-2016, 07:19 PM
Morrison is either Best or Worst at Batman, depending who you ask. :lol: I liked a lot of the Black Glove/R.I.P. stuff, but at the same time, that was a looooong two years' worth of story to get "Batman's Unstoppable, Because He's Batman" as the moral at the end. Just a whole lot of stuff going on to tell us something we already knew, guy. And his "everything is canon, I'll make it fit somehow" approach to mainstream comic books is preposterous and weighs his stories down with things that would go completely over most people's heads.

I always come back to Final Crisis with that guy. That thing is like, the best and worst thing I've ever read, for the exact same reasons. It's just too much of a goddamn Grant Morrison book for what it needed to be, and it's pretty much all his fault the New 52 happened. They banked everything on Final Crisis, he went and got too cute with it, it wasn't commercial, people didn't like it, and DC had no choice but to nuke the entire line and start over. So it makes absolute perfect sense, then, that when you start your New Universe, you put MOST of it in the hands of the exact same guy who was more or less responsible for single-handedly ruining everything in the first place, right?! It's like, you hire a guy to fix a hole in the wall, the house falls down, you then hire the guy to build your entire new house.

I've learned, though, that logic and common sense have little to do with who gets what position in comic book companies, it's mostly politics and cronyism. Go figure. I don't hate Grant Morrison's work but I don't want him handling too many of the building blocks. He's good in short bursts and small doses and that's it.

Grant's stories of Batman & Son as well as the Dick Grayson/Damian Wayne Batman & Robin are some of my all time favorite Batman stories.

but then there's his early stories like Batman Gothic that pretty MEH!

i pre-ordered the book while it was only $10 so i might as well keep the order, see how it goes?

i just can't see him doing any more damage than Superman Earth One or Batman Earth One have already done.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-08-2016, 08:37 PM
Grant's stories of Batman & Son as well as the Dick Grayson/Damian Wayne Batman & Robin are some of my all time favorite Batman stories.

but then there's his early stories like Batman Gothic that pretty MEH!

i pre-ordered the book while it was only $10 so i might as well keep the order, see how it goes?

i just can't see him doing any more damage than Superman Earth One or Batman Earth One have already done.

Hey, I really liked Batman Earth One and Two!

myconius
03-08-2016, 08:50 PM
Hey, I really liked Batman Earth One and Two!

hahaha! sorry! :toops: i only read Batman E1 vol.1 but not vol.2

after reading through so many Batman stories like Year One, Killing Joke, Knightfall, Legacy, No Man's Land, etc... i guess i'm just a but jaded to them trying to re-invent the wheel at this point.

was vol.2 at least better than vol.1?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-09-2016, 08:11 AM
hahaha! sorry! :toops: i only read Batman E1 vol.1 but not vol.2

after reading through so many Batman stories like Year One, Killing Joke, Knightfall, Legacy, No Man's Land, etc... i guess i'm just a but jaded to them trying to re-invent the wheel at this point.

was vol.2 at least better than vol.1?

Well, the "TwoFace" thing they did in the end was pretty over-the-top, but Croc and Riddler were awesome.

Spike Spiegel
03-09-2016, 08:46 AM
Using the original creator's kinks as a justification for this hardly works. If anything it's one of those things that maybe was easily ignored or done tongue-in-cheek back in those days but there's hardly any reason to dredge it up now, the bondage fetish stuff hasn't been relevant to Wonder Woman's character in decades, other than how they usually mention in passing how her bracelets were the shackles Hercules/Heracles used to bind Hippolyta, and they don't even always bother with that.

Like yes, there's themes of bondage and rape and even sapphic romance way deep in the fabric threads of Wonder Woman, but they're SO minor and inconsequential as compared to the rest of the character that they're hardly worth bringing up outside of the origin story. They're not the major things that make her who she is, that the entire rest of the story is built upon.

Sure seems like comics in general are sh*tting the bed lately. That sucks.

Speaking as someone who has a prized hardcover copy of the Perez omnibus as well as all the trades of Azzarello's run, I think I'll give this book a chance.

The things I saw in the preview shocked me because of how unabashedly non-PC some aspects of them were. Yes, it was prurient, and in some cases downright offensive. I think that's great! Or in any event, certainly of more interest to me than some of the current SJW type trends amongst the Big Two.

I agree with the idea that Perez's WW was the best "serious" and literary interpretation of the character by far. However, "Earth One" looks to be a real hoot. Part of the issue with the comics industry in general right now (as it pertains to superheroes) is how seriously the fans and writers take themselves. If nothing else, it'll be a fun read without the baggage of DC's regular continuity.

myconius
03-09-2016, 10:11 AM
Speaking as someone who has a prized hardcover copy of the Perez omnibus as well as all the trades of Azzarello's run, I think I'll give this book a chance.

The things I saw in the preview shocked me because of how unabashedly non-PC some aspects of them were. Yes, it was prurient, and in some cases downright offensive. I think that's great! Or in any event, certainly of more interest to me than some of the current SJW type trends amongst the Big Two.

I agree with the idea that Perez's WW was the best "serious" and literary interpretation of the character by far. However, "Earth One" looks to be a real hoot. Part of the issue with the comics industry in general right now (as it pertains to superheroes) is how seriously the fans and writers take themselves. If nothing else, it'll be a fun read without the baggage of DC's regular continuity.

what is your opinion of the Azzarello Wonder Woman?

myconius
03-09-2016, 10:14 AM
Well, the "TwoFace" thing they did in the end was pretty over-the-top, but Croc and Riddler were awesome.

now you've got me curious about what they've done with Croc!!

has there been any talk of them continuing with a 3rd volume or is that it?

guess i should try re-reading my Vol. 1 again before i sell it?

Spike Spiegel
03-09-2016, 10:31 AM
what is your opinion of the Azzarello Wonder Woman?

Some aspects of it were really ambitious. The idea of the Amazons having a hidden history gave them an interesting set of flaws. The stuff with the gods being like a literal extended family for her gave it kind of a "Game of Thrones" feel. I liked it so much that it made me buy the Perez omnibus (I'd never read that version of the character before).

Orion was probably my favorite side character from that story. I'll have to revisit it again after I read all the Perez stuff.

The big thing about the Azzarello era was how Diana's character differed between her own series and her appearances in New 52 Justice League. It seemed to me like they made her a petulant teenage girl in JL.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-09-2016, 10:34 AM
now you've got me curious about what they've done with Croc!!

has there been any talk of them continuing with a 3rd volume or is that it?

guess i should try re-reading my Vol. 1 again before i sell it?

It's more the traditional "disfigured" Croc than the giant Lizard rip-off. I really liked it.

And I liked Earth One Volume 1 a lot, too... the whole Gordon/Bullock dynamic and history was really cool. Also Alfred as a badass and Bruce learning. Penguin was great... only thing I didn't care about was The Birthday Boy. Completely forgettable.

Spike Spiegel
03-09-2016, 04:13 PM
Earth One Artist Yanick Paquette gives his opinion on recent portrayals of the Wonder Woman character.

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myconius
03-09-2016, 07:44 PM
Some aspects of it were really ambitious. The idea of the Amazons having a hidden history gave them an interesting set of flaws. The stuff with the gods being like a literal extended family for her gave it kind of a "Game of Thrones" feel. I liked it so much that it made me buy the Perez omnibus (I'd never read that version of the character before).

Orion was probably my favorite side character from that story. I'll have to revisit it again after I read all the Perez stuff.

The big thing about the Azzarello era was how Diana's character differed between her own series and her appearances in New 52 Justice League. It seemed to me like they made her a petulant teenage girl in JL.

i've been reading the series month to month from when it first came out.
it didn't really make a whole lot of sense to me, but i stuck with it for the entire run. it probably reads much better as a trade than spaced out like that?

was just contemplating if i should re-read all those issues? or sell just off the series?

Spike Spiegel
03-10-2016, 10:17 AM
i've been reading the series month to month from when it first came out.
it didn't really make a whole lot of sense to me, but i stuck with it for the entire run. it probably reads much better as a trade than spaced out like that?

was just contemplating if i should re-read all those issues? or sell just off the series?

It's up to you. I liked the trades when I read them, but it's so plot intensive that can see the reader getting a little lost when looking at it on a monthly basis.

I'm surprised monthly comics haven't completely gone away by this point. With very rare exceptions, I only buy trades and omnibi.

myconius
03-10-2016, 07:13 PM
It's up to you. I liked the trades when I read them, but it's so plot intensive that can see the reader getting a little lost when looking at it on a monthly basis.

I'm surprised monthly comics haven't completely gone away by this point. With very rare exceptions, I only buy trades and omnibi.

most of the trades i see are just collections of the Monthly Comics.
i guess they look at the sales to determine which come out in HC or TPB?

guess i'll try re-reading the first few issues back to back and see if i can get into it?