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ZariusTwo
01-13-2016, 08:23 AM
http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/DEAD_NO_MORE-600x900.jpg

A lot of possible candidates for this (and it'd be just another day in the office for Marvel revivals at this point). Indeed, there's a plot thread in the Spider-Man books currently where a man in red is offering villains the chance to be reunited with their deceased loved ones in exchange for their services.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-13-2016, 08:27 AM
Somebody in comics isn't dead!?

SHOCKER!!!! :teek:

ZariusTwo
01-13-2016, 09:08 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYjTZWoWsAAvdip.jpg

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-13-2016, 09:16 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYjTZWoWsAAvdip.jpg

To quote Steve Rogers:

I got that reference!

ZariusTwo
01-14-2016, 11:09 AM
http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/162/265/original/Best_Beware_My_Sting.jpg

ZariusTwo
01-15-2016, 02:16 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-to-preview-civil-war-ii-and-introduce-all-new-wasp-in-fcbd-issue

An All-New Wasp debuts on Free Comic Book Day

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-15-2016, 05:01 PM
I'd say the odds are 50/50 this new Wasp is Hope.

Because MCU.

ZariusTwo
01-17-2016, 11:51 AM
I'd say the odds are 50/50 this new Wasp is Hope.

Because MCU.

The comics don't really tie as much into the MCU as people think they do. Half their roster now consists of legacy heroes just as DC were in the 90s.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-17-2016, 12:13 PM
The comics don't really tie as much into the MCU as people think they do. Half their roster now consists of legacy heroes just as DC were in the 90s.

They don't, but at a first-glance level, they try to keep in line as much as possible. Promoting characters with movies, pulling characters with rival movies...

Again, 50/50 it's Hope.

ZariusTwo
01-21-2016, 11:20 AM
The prelude to the event will be packaged with the Free Comic Book Day edition of Steve Rogers: Captain America

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/01/21/steve-rogers-captain-america-and-dead-no-more-to-debut-on-free-comic-book-day-marvel-entertainment-comics/

ZariusTwo
01-27-2016, 04:57 AM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/DEAD-NO-MORE-2-cb3e4.jpg

Oh for christ's sake...

ZariusTwo
02-04-2016, 08:53 AM
Free Comic Book previews confirm Dan Slott and Javier Garron are handling "Dead No More"

ZariusTwo
03-29-2016, 01:32 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/scarlet-spider-prowler-madame-web-take-action-dead-no-more-teaser

TurtleTitan97
03-29-2016, 01:36 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Deaths in comics these days have become such a joke. :roll:

ZariusTwo
03-31-2016, 11:22 AM
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11127/111275673/5125248-6116466566-14594.jpg

TigerClaw
03-31-2016, 11:41 AM
http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/DEAD_NO_MORE-600x900.jpg

A lot of possible candidates for this (and it'd be just another day in the office for Marvel revivals at this point). Indeed, there's a plot thread in the Spider-Man books currently where a man in red is offering villains the chance to be reunited with their deceased loved ones in exchange for their services.
Could be Wolverine, They recently killed him off if I remember.

ZariusTwo
03-31-2016, 11:56 AM
Could be Wolverine, They recently killed him off if I remember.

No, this is a Spider-Man event where all of his loved ones, and the loved ones of other villains, are coming back from the dead

TurtleTitan97
03-31-2016, 03:23 PM
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11127/111275673/5125248-6116466566-14594.jpg

Wow, it's bad enough they did that retcon where it turns out Gwen cheated on Peter with Norman Osborn and had kids, now they're apparently bring her back to the main universe? Good grief, then what was the point of her dying in the first place???:trolleye:

ZariusTwo
04-01-2016, 04:19 AM
then what was the point of her dying in the first place???:trolleye:

There were a lot of contributing factors to Gwen's death. Hell, the original plan at the time wasn't even to kill Gwen, but Aunt May. It was John Romita that suggested they bump someone else off.

At the time, Stan was intending to marry Peter off to Gwen, but the creative teams weren't keen on the idea, and believed Mary Jane was a more viable candidate for a love interest. Stan gave his blessing to kill her off to make Spidey comics more interesting. It was due to the backlash over Gwen's death that we got the first Clone Saga as a compromise, which did'nt amount to anything other than allow Peter to choose MJ over Gwen. Later, Stan and Jim Shooter made the decision to marry Peter off to MJ, which led to 20 years of problems on the end of the Spider-Offices, but 20 glorious years for fans (well, ok, 1999-2001 sucked for marriage fans, but everything up to 2007, was pretty rosey, and there was also the Spider-Girl books from 1998-2010 providing great stability for the pair as well as a lasting legacy)

Unfortunately, we live in an age now where most of the fans running the title and newcomer fans are die-hard Gwen fanboys, that's evident with the over saturation of the character in the market with the insane Gwen variants where she's the Hulk, or Doctor Strange, or Gwenpool, or even Brian Micheal Bendis (I s*it you not, there's a "Brian Micheal Gwendis" variant), you add in the impact of Emma Stone's performance as Gwen in the ASM movies and the Spider-Gwen title and suddenly there's an awful lot of demand for the wrongs of the 70s to be righted and for Peter's "one twu luv" to be re-established, especially now that Marvel have phased out Peter's relationship with MJ pretty much completely vis devil magic and OOC writing (although the newspaper strip has remained pretty defiant so far and has kept the two married for 29 years)

ZariusTwo
04-09-2016, 03:20 AM
Apparently some fans have worked out that "Dead No More" is an anagram of "One More Dad"

ZariusTwo
05-07-2016, 10:05 AM
Just read the FCBD Dead No More prelude, nothing much to write home about, Slott's writing Gwen like she were a generic henchwoman of the man in red that's been making cameos in the current volume of ASM. I joked she and him were the new Rita Repulsa and Lord Zedd.

myconius
05-17-2016, 12:13 PM
There were a lot of contributing factors to Gwen's death. Hell, the original plan at the time wasn't even to kill Gwen, but Aunt May. It was John Romita that suggested they bump someone else off.

At the time, Stan was intending to marry Peter off to Gwen, but the creative teams weren't keen on the idea, and believed Mary Jane was a more viable candidate for a love interest. Stan gave his blessing to kill her off to make Spidey comics more interesting. It was due to the backlash over Gwen's death that we got the first Clone Saga as a compromise, which did'nt amount to anything other than allow Peter to choose MJ over Gwen. Later, Stan and Jim Shooter made the decision to marry Peter off to MJ, which led to 20 years of problems on the end of the Spider-Offices, but 20 glorious years for fans (well, ok, 1999-2001 sucked for marriage fans, but everything up to 2007, was pretty rosey, and there was also the Spider-Girl books from 1998-2010 providing great stability for the pair as well as a lasting legacy)

Unfortunately, we live in an age now where most of the fans running the title and newcomer fans are die-hard Gwen fanboys, that's evident with the over saturation of the character in the market with the insane Gwen variants where she's the Hulk, or Doctor Strange, or Gwenpool, or even Brian Micheal Bendis (I s*it you not, there's a "Brian Micheal Gwendis" variant), you add in the impact of Emma Stone's performance as Gwen in the ASM movies and the Spider-Gwen title and suddenly there's an awful lot of demand for the wrongs of the 70s to be righted and for Peter's "one twu luv" to be re-established, especially now that Marvel have phased out Peter's relationship with MJ pretty much completely vis devil magic and OOC writing (although the newspaper strip has remained pretty defiant so far and has kept the two married for 29 years)

uhg! this is depressing!!!

oh well! i used to really like Spider-man comics once upon a time! :roll:

"face it tiger. you just hit a brick wall."

ZariusTwo
05-17-2016, 12:42 PM
"face it tiger. you just hit a brick wall."

The number of times that's actually happened to the newspaper strip version of Spider-Man is staggering.

ZariusTwo
06-14-2016, 01:41 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck7yEtYUYAAghjQ.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/29734-what-is-the-conspiracy-behind-spider-man-s-dead-no-more.html

"Everything you've been told is wrong..."

Galactus
06-15-2016, 04:48 PM
The latest issue of Amazing Spider-Man shows some things which I would argue definitely bait the end of One More Day.

Will they actually do it? Probably not but I definitely think they want fans to think that's were Dead No More is heading.

ZariusTwo
06-16-2016, 03:39 AM
The latest issue of Amazing Spider-Man shows some things which I would argue definitely bait the end of One More Day.

Will they actually do it? Probably not but I definitely think they want fans to think that's were Dead No More is heading.

I agree, they're having a ball making it out like they'll reverse it ten years later (Mephisto even showed up in Spider-Man/Deadpool and told Peter he was responsible for his "ultimate fall"), but I don't think they will, or if they do, it won't lead to a total reversal of OMD seeing as they're still writing MJ pretty badly and she's still giving Peter an uncharacteristic cold shoulder for the events of Superior. On top of that, Bendis still has plans for her in Iron Man.

It's funny, because in this issue she's criticising Peter for having a secret i.d, but in the newspaper strip yesterday she was impressed that he kept a secret I.D under pressure. Of course, in the strip she and Peter are still married and loyal to each other so acting in-character there is no surprise.


I can see Peter finally letting go of Aunt May, and acknowledging that maybe the deal for Mephisto was for nothing.

Another rumor I've heard is that they are going to reveal Gwen Stacy never actually died (nor did she sleep with Norman Osborn)

ZariusTwo
06-17-2016, 08:34 AM
It's another Clone Saga

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/spider-man-dead-no-mores-true-title-revealed-clone-conspiracy?utm_campaign=spider-man-dead-no-mores-true-title-revealed-the-clone-conspirac&utm_medium=email&utm_source=breaking_bulletin

Spike Spiegel
06-17-2016, 10:15 AM
Everything '90s is new again...

ZariusTwo
06-17-2016, 03:02 PM
CBR have another OMD article up, trying to connect the dots between Spider-Man/Deadpool, and the events of Power Play in Amazing Spider-Man thus far.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/is-one-more-day-coming-unraveled-in-amazing-spider-man

Comic Book Legends: Clone Saga Special

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2016/06/17/comic-book-legends-revealed-580/

ZariusTwo
07-07-2016, 05:19 AM
So while Power Play ends with more b.s keeping Peter and MJ apart (with MJ's latest excuse now being "Peter spent too much time in the costume", not "superheroics ruined my life"), there were a couple of interesting things to point out

1. While battling Regent, MJ and Peter become vaguely aware of the events of 2015's pro-marriage story Renew Your Vows, where they also fought Regent alongside their daughter. This should not make sense because those versions of Peter and MJ were from another reality that was assimilated into Battleworld, with 616 MJ destroyed in an incursion and 616 Peter a life raft survivor...so either Peter and MJ can "sense" other versions of themselves, or both 616 and RYV versions merged. If the latter is true, what became of Annie May?

2. Turns out Jay Jameson is coughing up blood and not May, I presume he's the one to die in The Clone Conspiracy (probably in the annual), prompting Uncle Ben back into a grieving May's life.

ZariusTwo
09-15-2016, 02:28 PM
Clone Conspiracy Checklist

http://www.newsarama.com/images/i/000/178/732/original/The_Clone_Conspiracy_Event_Checklist.jpg

There will also be a special back-up story in the first issue of Clone Conspiracy illustrated by Spider-Girl's Ron Frenz

Lowe announced that in “The Clone Conspiracy” #1 there will be a special back-up story starring Gwen Stacy. “You are going to see a back-up story drawn by legendary Spider-Man artist Ron Frenz, that is going to re-open a big part of Spider-Man’s history,” Slott disclosed. “It’ll show you something that’s been hinted at, but never seen before. And it’s a lot about Gwen.”

I'm calling it, the real Gwen never died did she? The one that died/had Norman's kids was a clone wasn't she?

Another question from Newsarama: Is there anyone in Spider-Man’s life that he may not realize is already a clone? “Maaaaybe,” Slott said, deliberately evasively.

http://www.newsarama.com/images/i/000/178/729/original/CLONE2016001019_col.jpg

MsMarvelDuckie
09-16-2016, 06:02 PM
Can we just call this Send In the Clones? How many do we HAVE now? :trolleye:

ZariusTwo
09-17-2016, 02:41 AM
The FOX Spider-Man series finale had the best title: "I really hate Clones":lol:

Ron Frenz confirmed on SG's message boards that Sins Past isn't referenced in the plot outline he was given for his back-up story, and if it had, he wouldn't have illustrated it.

ZariusTwo
09-19-2016, 08:37 AM
Clone Conspiracy is underperforming in orders, which has forced Dan Slott to start begging retailers, as well as actually acknowledge Marvel are at fault for the way they marketed it

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/18/dan-slott-says-retailers-havent-ordered-enough-copies-of-clone-conspiracy/

(Far likelier reason? Retailers saw the word "clone" and scampered up the hills)

WebLurker
09-19-2016, 11:05 AM
Clone Conspiracy is underperforming in orders, which has forced Dan Slott to start begging retailers, as well as actually acknowledge Marvel are at fault for the way they marketed it

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/09/18/dan-slott-says-retailers-havent-ordered-enough-copies-of-clone-conspiracy/

(Far likelier reason? Retailers saw the word "clone" and scampered up the hills)

I don't quite get Slott's beef. Don't the stores order based on supply and demand? If they're not ordering that much, wouldn't it suggest that maybe they don't need to stock that many of these comics, not that they misunderstand that Clone Conspiracy is ASM under a different name? Interesting that he assumes that they're "under-ordering" because they don't understand what he's doing, not that the comic(s) may not be selling that well.

(Has there ever been a good Clone Saga? Besides the Ultimate one? I though Slott said he chose to write his own Clone installment on the grounds that taking an awful story and letting readers wonder how you could pull it off was one way to write a good -- or at least selling -- comic.)

ZariusTwo
09-19-2016, 12:26 PM
(Has there ever been a good Clone Saga? Besides the Ultimate one? I though Slott said he chose to write his own Clone installment on the grounds that taking an awful story and letting readers wonder how you could pull it off was one way to write a good -- or at least selling -- comic.)

Spider-Girl had a Clone Saga near the end of it's run that wasn't that bad, and gave us a very underlooked addition to the Parker family in clone/symbiote "sister" April Parker, aka Mayhem.

The 2009 remake of the Clone Saga is also pretty fun, taking the best parts of the 90s Clone Saga and cutting out the filler and nonsenical parts.. Virtually nobody that was killed in the 90s Saga dies in it, and it has a much better reason why a certain character comes back from the dead.

WebLurker
09-19-2016, 01:31 PM
Spider-Girl had a Clone Saga near the end of it's run that wasn't that bad, and gave us a very underlooked addition to the Parker family in clone/symbiote "sister" April Parker, aka Mayhem.

Huh.

The 2009 remake of the Clone Saga is also pretty fun, taking the best parts of the 90s Clone Saga and cutting out the filler and nonsenical parts.. Virtually nobody that was killed in the 90s Saga dies in it, and it has a much better reason why a certain character comes back from the dead.

I read that one once. One of those things I'd kinda like a copy of, but I'm not sure the current prices are worth it.

I forget, which dead character came back in it?

ZariusTwo
09-19-2016, 01:39 PM
I have the entire 2009 CS story saved from browsing 4Chan for it one time, I can send you a copy if you want

I forget, which dead character came back in it?

Harry

WebLurker
09-19-2016, 09:26 PM
I have the entire 2009 CS story saved from browsing 4Chan for it one time, I can send you a copy if you want

Would there be a legal issue, or anything?

Harry

Oh. I though the '09 CS assumed that he had faked his death.

ZariusTwo
09-20-2016, 11:57 AM
Would there be a legal issue, or anything?

It'd just be a case of sharing the scans it via PM, but if you're uncomfortable, that's ok

WebLurker
09-20-2016, 01:58 PM
It'd just be a case of sharing the scans it via PM, but if you're uncomfortable, that's ok

Thanks for the offer, but I think I'll pass; I don't want to get either of us in trouble in case Disney takes a dim view this sort of thing. Also, I'm one of those people who prefers reading stuff in actual books rather than on a screen.

(Anyways, the prices they have now aren't awful for a trade paperback, but since my comic priorities are to complete my Ultimate Spider-Man trades collection and the new RYV series, that means that stuff that isn't dirt cheap gets lower priority.)

ZariusTwo
10-12-2016, 09:02 AM
Clone Conspiracy#1

I'm usually pretty harsh on Slott, but this wasn't bad at all

Peter acts more mature and prioritised than I've seen him act in a while. Seems him and MJ are on good terms again as she attends Jay's funeral and looks after Aunt May while Jonah grills Peter over refusing to use the New U tech on his father. Peter and Anna Maria visit the family of the person Peter did use the technology on, but learns that he is suffering from cellular degeneration (he forgot to take his meds), New U took him away. Peter breaks into New U to find out what happened to him, and stumbles on Gwen, Electro, Rhino, Miles Warren and Doc Ock.

The back-up story from Slott and Frenz reveals Gwen regained consciousness before she was thrown off the bridge by the Goblin. She overhears Norman addressing Peter by name and realises he's Spider-Man, and instantly begins resenting him. Events occur as before and Gwen dies...and then she wakes up in one of the Jackal's labs, told she's been "reanimated" and is reunited with her father. She takes one of the pills

BC have an article on the major spoiler


http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/12/dan-slott-radically-rewrites-the-death-of-gwen-stacy-in-clone-conspiracy-1/

WebLurker
10-12-2016, 08:01 PM
Clone Conspiracy#1

I'm usually pretty harsh on Slott, but this wasn't bad at all

Peter acts more mature and prioritised than I've seen him act in a while. Seems him and MJ are on good terms again as she attends Jay's funeral and looks after Aunt May while Jonah grills Peter over refusing to use the New U tech on his father. Peter and Anna Maria visit the family of the person Peter did use the technology on, but learns that he is suffering from cellular degeneration (he forgot to take his meds), New U took him away. Peter breaks into New U to find out what happened to him, and stumbles on Gwen, Electro, Rhino, Miles Warren and Doc Ock.

The back-up story from Slott and Frenz reveals Gwen regained consciousness before she was thrown off the bridge by the Goblin. She overhears Norman addressing Peter by name and realises he's Spider-Man, and instantly begins resenting him. Events occur as before and Gwen dies...and then she wakes up in one of the Jackal's labs, told she's been "reanimated" and is reunited with her father. She takes one of the pills

BC have an article on the major spoiler


http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/12/dan-slott-radically-rewrites-the-death-of-gwen-stacy-in-clone-conspiracy-1/

Wonder how fans will react to the big spoiler since it seems like messing with "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" has never gone over very well (e.g. "Sins Past") and coupling it another Clone Saga, it sounds like a recipe for disaster, IMHO.

ZariusTwo
11-07-2016, 01:50 PM
There will be grand cosmic entities at play that will tie the story into Spider-Verse (It's a given it'd have to be, because Kaine's return is a key plot point)

Which makes me wonder...the story is set to give Peter the ultimate temptation, what if that temptation isn't just to bring back all of his own loved ones and people he's failed to save over the years, but also the lives affected across the multiverse by the Inheritors? Including Mayday's dad?

Keep in mind I still think the MC2 affected by Spider-Verse was a different one from the one I read, but it would be an interesting angle for Slott to work on...sadly, 616 Peter will probably resist temptation in the end.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/11/07/clone-conspiracy-not-just-clones-added-dimension-spoilers/

WebLurker
11-08-2016, 08:26 AM
There will be grand cosmic entities at play that will tie the story into Spider-Verse (It's a given it'd have to be, because Kaine's return is a key plot point)

Which makes me wonder...the story is set to give Peter the ultimate temptation, what if that temptation isn't just to bring back all of his own loved ones and people he's failed to save over the years, but also the lives affected across the multiverse by the Inheritors? Including Mayday's dad?

Keep in mind I still think the MC2 affected by Spider-Verse was a different one from the one I read, but it would be an interesting angle for Slott to work on...sadly, 616 Peter will probably resist temptation in the end.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/11/07/clone-conspiracy-not-just-clones-added-dimension-spoilers/

The story is starting to sound over-stuffed, esp. since what does reality-bending have to do with cloning?

ZariusTwo
11-08-2016, 03:09 PM
Here's what's coming in summer of 2017 courtesy of a site previewing trade collections for May-August

http://i.imgur.com/16IfL6a.png

WebLurker
11-08-2016, 05:24 PM
Here's what's coming in summer of 2017 courtesy of a site previewing trade collections for May-August

http://i.imgur.com/16IfL6a.png

Not my wheelhouse, for sure.

MsMarvelDuckie
11-09-2016, 09:25 PM
So Marvel is finally trying to "fix" the 616 timeline now(in a manner of speaking)? Well better late than never. I actually kind of liked Sins Past as it made Gwen less of this "perfect ideal innocent" character. It made her more human and created some eye-opening moments for Peter.

ZariusTwo
12-07-2016, 08:12 AM
Clone Conspiracy#3

The Jackal is Ben Reily. He offers Peter the chance to bring Uncle Ben back from the dead

WebLurker
12-07-2016, 11:40 AM
Clone Conspiracy#3

The Jackal is Ben Reily. He offers Peter the chance to bring Uncle Ben back from the dead

I sure a lot of long-time fans won't like this twist.

DestronMirage22
12-07-2016, 12:10 PM
Clone Conspiracy#3

The Jackal is Ben Reily. He offers Peter the chance to bring Uncle Ben back from the dead

God, that is so stupid. How does Marvel even make any money from these kinds of books?

ZariusTwo
12-07-2016, 12:57 PM
God, that is so stupid. How does Marvel even make any money from these kinds of books?

Apparently by pissing off their customers. No kidding, Tom Brevoort said on his forumspring that whenever they do something that fans like, sales are somewhat a little below the mark, but angering readers spikes sales.

That said, ASM, and Marvel books as a whole, are starting to suffer in sales from this practise.

ZariusTwo
12-08-2016, 06:54 AM
So Marvel had been planning to bring back Ben Reily for years but the story entered development hell and they had to bring Kane back instead...which sort of worked out, and it's only been recently that Ben has become available to use again.

Y'know, perhaps that explains the Ben Reilly binge Marvel were on in the early stages of BND back in 2008-2009. In addition to a story about Ben from Marc Guggenheim, there was also a Spider-Man/X-Men crossover series which featured a story from Ben's era as Spider-Man and then there was the "Real Clone Saga" which saw Tom DeFalco and Howard Mackie conceive a much happier version of the infamous second act of the Cloning insanity.

But my mind casts back to something else that was going on at the time on the Spider-Man Crawl Space forums. Namely the "protest web comic" written by the site's then-administrator Kevin Cushing.

Before the Spider-Man Crawlspace Comic ended in late 2010, they had just completed a story called "One In A Million" which resurrected Ben Reilly. After one further issue, the series came to an end because the author was trying to break into the business as a professional...now that we know that Ben Reilly's official return was indeed a much delayed story over at Marvel, is it possible the real reason Kevin Cushing stopped working on it was because Marvel became aware of the Crawl Space story and put out a cease and desist on further development on it?

To my understanding, Kevin was also teasing a return of Peter and MJ's daughter too...and she resembled Annie May.

Slott and Wacker were also Crawlspace members around that time period, before Slott requested he be banned because he couldn't take criticism from the members, and Wacker got banned for being a dick and antagonising everybody.

WebLurker
12-08-2016, 10:22 AM
Apparently by pissing off their customers. No kidding, Tom Brevoort said on his forumspring that whenever they do something that fans like, sales are somewhat a little below the mark, but angering readers spikes sales.

That said, ASM, and Marvel books as a whole, are starting to suffer in sales from this practise.

Funny, ticking me off with story content makes me not want to buy the stuff.

So Marvel had been planning to bring back Ben Reily for years but the story entered development hell and they had to bring Kane back instead...which sort of worked out, and it's only been recently that Ben has become available to use again.

Y'know, perhaps that explains the Ben Reilly binge Marvel were on in the early stages of BND back in 2008-2009. In addition to a story about Ben from Marc Guggenheim, there was also a Spider-Man/X-Men crossover series which featured a story from Ben's era as Spider-Man and then there was the "Real Clone Saga" which saw Tom DeFalco and Howard Mackie conceive a much happier version of the infamous second act of the Cloning insanity.

But my mind casts back to something else that was going on at the time on the Spider-Man Crawl Space forums. Namely the "protest web comic" written by the site's then-administrator Kevin Cushing.

Before the Spider-Man Crawlspace Comic ended in late 2010, they had just completed a story called "One In A Million" which resurrected Ben Reilly. After one further issue, the series came to an end because the author was trying to break into the business as a professional...now that we know that Ben Reilly's official return was indeed a much delayed story over at Marvel, is it possible the real reason Kevin Cushing stopped working on it was because Marvel became aware of the Crawl Space story and put out a cease and desist on further development on it?

To my understanding, Kevin was also teasing a return of Peter and MJ's daughter too...and she resembled Annie May.

Slott and Wacker were also Crawlspace members around that time period, before Slott requested he be banned because he couldn't take criticism from the members, and Wacker got banned for being a dick and antagonising everybody.

Huh. That's one interesting theory.

ZariusTwo
12-10-2016, 07:27 AM
The rumoured new Spider-Man ongoing next year is supposedly a new volume for Scarlet Spider, with art by USM/ANXM's Mark Bagely and written by long-time Spider-Scribe Peter David.

WebLurker
12-10-2016, 09:09 AM
The rumoured new Spider-Man ongoing next year is supposedly a new volume for Scarlet Spider, with art by USM/ANXM's Mark Bagely and written by long-time Spider-Scribe Peter David.

So the rumor is that after "Clone Conspiracy" and Slott's Parker Industries/Osborn war story, ASM will be taking a hiatus?

ZariusTwo
12-10-2016, 09:25 AM
So the rumor is that after "Clone Conspiracy" and Slott's Parker Industries/Osborn war story, ASM will be taking a hiatus?

We don't know if ASM will relaunch or not after the Osborn war to coincide with the Homecoming movie. I'm hearing all sorts of things, including that Slott is stepping down (though he said he's not this week, he's misled the readers in the past)

ZariusTwo
01-09-2017, 12:01 PM
A Ben Reilly ongoing will indeed spin out of Clone Conspiracy

http://www.cbr.com/exclusive-ben-reilly-scarlet-spider-all-new-series-peter-david-mark-bagley/

WebLurker
01-10-2017, 11:30 AM
A Ben Reilly ongoing will indeed spin out of Clone Conspiracy

http://www.cbr.com/exclusive-ben-reilly-scarlet-spider-all-new-series-peter-david-mark-bagley/

Will there even be an audience for it? I've gathered that Clone Conspiracy isn't exactly the fan favorite that Marvel was hoping and I've heard very few people happy with the new iteration of Ben Reilly.

ZariusTwo
01-11-2017, 05:51 AM
Will there even be an audience for it? I've gathered that Clone Conspiracy isn't exactly the fan favorite that Marvel was hoping and I've heard very few people happy with the new iteration of Ben Reilly.

Probably the reason they're throwing in the very popular Kaine into this book as a supporting character, just to attract that audience. They're going to stick with Ben being "torn" between his sense of responsibility and his darker days as The Jackal...which are not exactly traits that fans of the character are used to.

WebLurker
01-11-2017, 09:53 AM
Probably the reason they're throwing in the very popular Kaine into this book as a supporting character, just to attract that audience. They're going to stick with Ben being "torn" between his sense of responsibility and his darker days as The Jackal...which are not exactly traits that fans of the character are used to.

Yeah, judging by what I've heard, Peter David has a good writing plan in place in regards to where the Ben clone has been left by Slott (at least it sounds like he's trying to writing something that has more depth than the run of the mill comic). But, I think that it's kind of suffering from the same problem of the root story; does Ben Reilly (or a clone of Ben Reilly) work as a well-intentioned villain? From what I know, the answer is "no."

Galactus
01-11-2017, 03:14 PM
Will there even be an audience for it? I've gathered that Clone Conspiracy isn't exactly the fan favorite that Marvel was hoping and I've heard very few people happy with the new iteration of Ben Reilly.

Only in the sense that every big comic event leads to fan outrage and disappointment. I don't think that it's what the majority of readers think and for me personally while I could do without the Spider-verse elements (although I liked that story at the time and it makes sense in getting Kaine back) Clone Conspiracy has been a solid read so far.

S'funny, over the years I've read several fan theories of how Ben Reilly could be brought back and often they involve Ben going down a darker path. Perhaps because fans instinctively realise there's there's little point to having Ben back in modern day without setting him apart from Peter and frankly this has worked well for similar dead-forever characters like Bucky and Jason Todd. Still with Marvel actually does it...it becomes a different story.

WebLurker
01-11-2017, 11:07 PM
Only in the sense that every big comic event leads to fan outrage and disappointment.

Huh, I got the impression that Secret Wars 2015 was generally well liked.

I don't think that it's what the majority of readers think and for me personally while I could do without the Spider-verse elements (although I liked that story at the time and it makes sense in getting Kaine back) Clone Conspiracy has been a solid read so far.

Okay, I could be wrong, but most of opinions I've seen seem to be "Meh," "This is a very mixed bag with a lot of problems," or "This is very awful." No rave reviews or a lot of love. I also understand that pre-orders are dropping like rocks, which is not very encouraging when Marvel was hyping it as the Spider-Man event of the year.

So, nothing scientific to draw conclusions on, but I haven't found the majority you're talking about. (I know everything I've heard and read about it has made me more and more reinforced in my decision to not read it, so that could be my bias.)

S'funny, over the years I've read several fan theories of how Ben Reilly could be brought back and often they involve Ben going down a darker path. Perhaps because fans instinctively realise there's there's little point to having Ben back in modern day without setting him apart from Peter and frankly this has worked well for similar dead-forever characters like Bucky and Jason Todd. Still with Marvel actually does it...it becomes a different story.

I'm not a Ben fan (personally, if you're even considering having a non-Peter Parker Spider-Man, that's my cue to walk away), but if I was, I would not be be very happy with him (or more accurately, his clone) becoming Jackal II and being a dark character that Marvel has warped him into; that's not what the character is about, any more that Spider-Man is about Peter Parker being a Tony Stark ripoff.

Your mileage may vary, of course.

ZariusTwo
01-12-2017, 06:01 AM
S'funny, over the years I've read several fan theories of how Ben Reilly could be brought back and often they involve Ben going down a darker path.

But we already have/had that with Kaine, even back when Ben was alive, and Kaine's redeeming journey had much fan acclaim when they brought him back. It seems an awful lot like they're just rehashing. People may be more invested in what Kaine's going to be doing in this book than Ben.

Also, what exactly is it about Clone Conspiracy that makes it such a compelling read to you? The Spider-Verse elements are the only really interesting thing about it, everything else is the typical "Plot makes an ineffective idiot out of Peter Parker" story that Slott has become renowned for

Galactus
01-18-2017, 08:13 PM
Huh, I got the impression that Secret Wars 2015 was generally well liked.

It is now and I know the first and especially the last issue got a lot of praise but at the time the fan response outside of Hickman's fanbase ranged from "meh" to "this is horrible" with heavy dollops of "nothing is happening, where's all the action?"

I'm not a Ben fan (personally, if you're even considering having a non-Peter Parker Spider-Man, that's my cue to walk away), but if I was, I would not be be very happy with him (or more accurately, his clone) becoming Jackal II and being a dark character that Marvel has warped him into; that's not what the character is about, any more that Spider-Man is about Peter Parker being a Tony Stark ripoff.

Again, I point out that most actual fan fiction revolving around Ben coming back usually has the character go down a dark. It's hard to say why since Ben wasn't really a dark character but then the concept of Mary Jane having powers and being a hero is not what the character was ever supposed to be but it's long seemed like a popular concept to the point that Renew Your Vows which is largely sold on reviving a more classic Spider-Man status quo has her as a fully fledged super hero. In addition he's not really that villainous. The latest issue of The Clone Conspiracy has him doing his villainous act yet and to be honest it's similar-ish to what Peter himself did in the original clone saga (it may even be an intentional call back). A cover of an upcoming Amazing Spider-Man issue has an unconscious Peter being fought over by Jackal and Ben-Jackal so unless Miles Warren takes a heroic turn I guessing Ben will end the story doing the right thing.

But we already have/had that with Kaine, even back when Ben was alive, and Kaine's redeeming journey had much fan acclaim when they brought him back. It seems an awful lot like they're just rehashing. People may be more invested in what Kaine's going to be doing in this book than Ben.

Also, what exactly is it about Clone Conspiracy that makes it such a compelling read to you? The Spider-Verse elements are the only really interesting thing about it, everything else is the typical "Plot makes an ineffective idiot out of Peter Parker" story that Slott has become renowned for

I don't care for the heavy Spider-Verse elements for a few reasons. The big part is that a big selling point of this story is having Gwen Stacy back. It kinda dilutes it to have Spider-Gwen swinging around especially the way they played it with her impersonating the "real" Gwen, heck it's taken eight issues to get a proper conversation between Peter and Gwen.

Also I'm not overly keen on the whole Carrion virus going global aspect of the story. I get that Slott wants to show the high stakes involved, heck most of his run is Spidey going big but with so many familiar faces back it might have been better to keep this story a bit more personal in it's presentation. To be clear I don't object to these elements but it might have been better to just have Kaine back and maybe bring out Spider-Gwen in say the latest issue of Clone Conspiracy.

As for what I like about it? Well it's an interesting premise, I'd prefer something more than psychic imprint as an explanation of why these aren't just clones but the idea of exploring what if Peter could bring the people killed by his actions and in-actions back from the dead is worth exploring. It's steeped in Spider-Man history and frankly while I do agree with some fan complaints that Peter is an "inaffective idiot" under Slott's pen I don't really see anything in the story to support that. Perhaps you can enlighten me on why you think this?