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Panda_Kahn_fan
06-21-2016, 11:36 AM
Dumb Idea, moving on!

Etsyturtle2
06-21-2016, 11:42 AM
Okay, we all know that some people think the PD TMNT designs are bad.

Fixed that.

neatoman
06-21-2016, 11:48 AM
I guess the bodies look fine (if a bit oversized), the main thing they should change is to make the faces less human and not to be so tacky with what they wear.

But if I had to be more specific, if the idea is to have them mesh with live action it might be a good idea to make more turtle-like than ever. You know beaked faces instead of flat ones, claws instead of fingers, tails and so forth.

http://animalia-life.com/data_images/turtle/turtle2.jpg

TurtleTitan97
06-21-2016, 12:00 PM
Something like Campbell's Turtle designs in terms of base designs would work as a starting point:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/61/96/fb/6196fbcbb6356a91916c8fc70c77c11d.jpg

http://orig01.deviantart.net/887f/f/2012/159/1/e/turtles_vs__mousers_by_mooncalfe-d52p329.jpg

In terms of casting, they should go the same route that Marvel/Sony did with Tom Holland's Spider-Man and cast teenage actors for the Turtles.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-21-2016, 12:05 PM
Something like Campbell's Turtle designs in terms of base designs would work:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/61/96/fb/6196fbcbb6356a91916c8fc70c77c11d.jpg

http://orig01.deviantart.net/887f/f/2012/159/1/e/turtles_vs__mousers_by_mooncalfe-d52p329.jpg

In terms of casting, they should go the same route that Marvel/Sony did with Tom Holland's Spider-Man and cast teenage actors for the Turtles.

I'd prefer Cory Smith's depictions, but agreed on everything else.

Powder
06-21-2016, 03:19 PM
If not Henson-esque, these:

http://i1.wp.com/www.sopitas.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/TMNT.jpg

TurtleTitan97
06-21-2016, 03:20 PM
If not Henson-esque, these:

http://i1.wp.com/www.sopitas.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/TMNT.jpg

That would be ideal as well.

plastroncafe
06-21-2016, 03:22 PM
If we could somehow blend Campbell's work with Farley's, that'd be awesome.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-21-2016, 03:25 PM
If not Henson-esque, these:

http://i1.wp.com/www.sopitas.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/TMNT.jpg

Yep, changing my vote. :tlol:

neatoman
06-21-2016, 03:30 PM
For an animated movie, Ben Bates' designs would work.
http://orig10.deviantart.net/dfa5/f/2013/306/d/1/idw_tmnt_limited_color_sketch_04_by_benbates-d6stt5q.jpg
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t372/bobc358/bates_mutanimals_variant_4.tif_zpscjcdwtet.jpg

thundermaster612
06-21-2016, 04:10 PM
I think they should have HUUUUUGE nostrils, that take up half of their face. Then they should be about Nick Slash's size with the shell spikes and giant ass beaks and they should wear literal garbage and dirt. Don's staff should be a tree trunk, Leo's Katana a giant piece of jagged metal, Mikey's chuck's are two giant dead mutant spiders that have their webs binded together, and Raph Sai's can be giant SALAD FORKS!!!!! also they should be from Dimension X and have Shredder be Scrhader whos an Alien aswell as Splinter. They should also have Don be a girl named Bernini and Casey be the main character. and April should be played by Rebecca Black and Casey by Justin Bieber. and the Foot should be the Hands

of course not. I did read the original Blue Door script and it was alright. Although the alien reveal part was dumb. The Don being a girl thing was I think a rumor according to an old video and Bernini is... well you guys figure that out. and the Foot was gonna be called the hands too but not in the script

Electric
06-21-2016, 05:29 PM
Actually yeah, OOTS video game had some really good designs.

I thought voices were fine. Sure they didn't sound exactly like teens, but outside of the Nick series, they never have.

Still thought these designs were good, and actually liked the faces. One critique though would be make them smaller. The fact that they're bigger than most humans kinda detracts from their need for ninjutsu, and they seem to be twice as strong as a basic foot soldier, so one punch is all they need

chrisdude
06-21-2016, 07:03 PM
I've always liked the turtles in clothes. Yeah, they're ninjas, but they're teenagers, too. And, done well, clothing can be expressive and personal. I've never liked how a turtle looked more than Donnie in OOTS. All the little touches on all the turtles speak to who they are. I'd say I'd prefer pants, with varying amounts of gear. To be honest, I'm 90% in love with the designs for this movie. I'd make the turtles smaller, but that's about it. If anything, I'd ditch the bandanas, since I'd dress them as individuals.

The fact that they're bigger than most humans kinda detracts from their need for ninjutsu, and they seem to be twice as strong as a basic foot soldier, so one punch is all they needThat has pretty much always been the case. It just never made sense before.

TMNT is cooler than MOTU
06-21-2016, 07:33 PM
If not Henson-esque, these:

http://i1.wp.com/www.sopitas.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/TMNT.jpg

I always thought the designs for this game were a perfect marriage between realistic and classic.

I'd also be pretty happy with something like this.

http://www.therpf.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=273728&d=1389728936

ProactiveMan
06-21-2016, 08:03 PM
I dunno, beaks are a bit paradoxical as far as Iím concerned. You give them beaks because turtles sortía have beaks and it adds realism, but there is no way something with a bony beak could realistically speak English Ė but who cares because talking turtles is a fanciful idea, but then why are we striving for realism in the designs and give them ugly old beaks?

The old oval head design is good because itís definitely not humanlike, but itís still appealing and relatable. When they get too Ďturtleyí I think they become less relatable. The other extreme is what we have now, which is too humanlike to the point that itís grotesque.

Electric
06-21-2016, 08:51 PM
That has pretty much always been the case. It just never made sense before.

What I meant to say was that, in each other incarnation, they have to use their stealth and speed to fight their opponents, including foot soldiers. Yeah it still only took one punch, but it wasnt nearly as easy as having twice the size and weight of one of soldier so that they could basically just walk up and swing.

Keep the same designs (from OOtS), tone down the mass a bit, and have Donnie the same height as April (with each turtles heights respective to that), and these designs would be perfect

Candy Kappa
06-22-2016, 01:50 AM
Base it of either of Sophie's designs:

http://orig03.deviantart.net/6be7/f/2013/363/c/c/leo_by_mooncalfe-d52dovd.jpg

or the OotS game:

http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1152540/TMNT-OotS_2013-09-01_09-19-25-66.png

Bry
06-22-2016, 09:52 AM
I've always liked the turtles in clothes. Yeah, they're ninjas, but they're teenagers, too. And, done well, clothing can be expressive and personal.

I think there's a balance you have to hit with this to make it work and not distract from the iconic "look". Too much clothing and they're not as immediately recognizable, and it can cover up that they're turtles a bit, too. I think the IDW designs pretty much perfect this -- have different wraps and gear that reflect their personalities and fighting styles, but dont cover them up so much that they dont look like the characters everyone knows (or look dated dressed in a particular kind of modern fashion).

If anything, I'd ditch the bandanas, since I'd dress them as individuals.

Man, I dunno about that. They might not be "accurate" per se, but the bandanas work as visual shorthand for "ninja" and are just hugely iconic. Losing then would be like Superman without a cape. There's a decent argument for it, but it just wouldnt look "right."

IndigoErth
06-22-2016, 02:10 PM
I dunno, they might be able to find pants that fit, but realistically there's no way in heck they should be able to wear a shirt, esp any version as big as 2014, so the turtleyness is still out there. Maybe smaller Turtles can fit in large shirts made for chunky humans, but then it may be too long on them, so what's the point.

Those with a more classic design can get away with the more normal look though, they don't appear quite so human as to need it. I don't mind them in some clothing sometimes, like the occasional disguise, though don't mind it full-time on these movie guys. Unlike 2012 and some others, I doubt the plastron on 2014 weirdly wraps around to cover the undercarriage, so I can sort of understand putting these big "realistic" guys in pants just to avoid any awkward angles. Maybe they aren't mammals, so that spares it in that department, but I'm not sure quite how well bare ass shots would go over with the casual (esp parental) viewer. :lol: Maybe the shell covers from the back, but going by that side shot of Leo in that poster with the moon... yeah, there would have no doubt be some awkward green moon in that film, too. :lol:

Other designs might need to ditch the mocap (if CGI) or something, or modify the suits to make them less human proportioned and shaped.

Keep the masks, just because. Signature element, and I guess is useful to keep the sweat out of the eyes, since many versions show them capable of sweating. (Also, the masks are simply cute. Edit: Plus, esp with Leo and Raph, kind of reflects their temperament as well.)

letscook89
06-22-2016, 03:05 PM
Okay, we all know that the PD TMNT designs are bad. So, my question is; how should the TMNT look in a movie series? What is your favorite design for a film?
)

Speak for yourself. These designs look great to me.

thundermaster612
06-22-2016, 03:30 PM
This is a thread about TMNT designs right? I guess what I'm about to ask kind of counts but I just watched the full B-Roll for the movie and I saw what Bebop and Rocksteady look like with mo-cap suits. My question is, how come the turtles need mo-cap shells but Bebop doesn't need a mo-cap stomach or something, in fact they should have more stuff on because they are bigger than the turtles but in real life they're actually smaller than the turtle actors... whats up with that? How come the turtles need extra stuff for the shell but B&R don't need extra stuff for... everything...

Candy Kappa
06-22-2016, 03:48 PM
Considering how ginormous those halved shells the PD Turtles had attached to their backs as giant scabs. The actors probably had a mo-cap shell to move with the added weight.

IndigoErth
06-22-2016, 05:23 PM
I remember seeing something that there were times they weren't wearing it, beyond that...? Maybe it necessarily affects the actor's own movement, reach, and whatnot and differently than just having a large gut would.

chrisdude
06-22-2016, 06:35 PM
I imagine the shells are not just for weight, but for maneuvering around objects and rooms, so that their future CG shells won't clip objects or characters. I don't think B+R had many sequences where they interacted with things or people in close quarters, aside from scenes that were probably entirely CG.

thundermaster612
06-22-2016, 06:44 PM
I remember seeing something that there were times they weren't wearing it, beyond that...? Maybe it necessarily affects the actor's own movement, reach, and whatnot and differently than just having a large gut would.

Well that's because they had stage performances that didn't require it. Also I noticed that in the B-Roll there was a badass clip that was cut where Bebop takes out two knives and fights Casey with Casey using that pipe

IndigoErth
06-22-2016, 07:24 PM
Bebop takes out two knives and fights Casey with Casey using that pipe
Was it in the truck they were transporting Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady in? It happens in the book (sorta), but I couldn't recall if the knives existed in the film. In the book they are Casey's knives.

"...drawing a pair of brass knuckle bowie knives from sheathes strapped to his thighs."

Odd choice for a guy working for the police force?

No pipe, he just immediately gets headbutted by Bebop and knocked out cold; Bebop steals the knives.

Oh, Casey also introduces his knives as "Biggie and Tupac." :roll: Some things are better in the book, but there are some added details that just... *sigh* I guess it's good they didn't make it into the movie.

Commenter 42
06-22-2016, 07:33 PM
Should look like mutant RES turtles.

http://coyotemercury.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/red-eared-sliders.jpg

Shellington
06-25-2016, 04:01 PM
I'm actually pretty cool with the film's designs, I think they are a great blend of new and previous designs. The OOTS designs are refined to be cleaner and lighter, so that helps.

The Turtles design pays tribute to their 1987 (colored bandanas, harnesses) and 2012 designs (muscular Raph, short Mikey, lean Donnie), but also incorporate apparel and gear that suit them well.

I thought Donnie and Mikey worked well with one having a proton pack and tech, and the other having urban cool stuff like a shell necklace and a jacket.

Leo and Raph were a little more over-the-top: one was all samurai-like with bamboo armor and tabi, while the other had a do-rag luchador mask with shades and a loincloth; thankfully OOTS toned them down and they look much better.

The only thing I really miss are the snouts. But in an interview below Jeremy Howard says they tried the snouts and it didn't work out for talking. So it was a sad but necessary sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15gd2y3ftxg

IndigoErth
06-25-2016, 04:44 PM
I dunno, Leo and Donnie are at least a little bit snouty still in profile at the very least (in a more 'realistic' kind of way, I guess). I just wish the straight on view didn't betray that and make their faces look flatter than they are. (Raph... there's no helping poor flat faced Raph. And Mikey muddling around somewhere in-between.)

Sabacooza
06-25-2016, 05:25 PM
(Raph... there's no helping poor flat faced Raph.Flat face? It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. However, I'd take the flatness over the protruding nose Mikey had in the first one. Man, that was ugly. Still kind of is.

Commenter 42
06-26-2016, 12:10 AM
I'm actually pretty cool with the film's designs, I think they are a great blend of new and previous designs. The OOTS designs are refined to be cleaner and lighter, so that helps.

The Turtles design pays tribute to their 1987 (colored bandanas, harnesses) and 2012 designs (muscular Raph, short Mikey, lean Donnie), but also incorporate apparel and gear that suit them well.

I thought Donnie and Mikey worked well with one having a proton pack and tech, and the other having urban cool stuff like a shell necklace and a jacket.

Leo and Raph were a little more over-the-top: one was all samurai-like with bamboo armor and tabi, while the other had a do-rag luchador mask with shades and a loincloth; thankfully OOTS toned them down and they look much better.

The only thing I really miss are the snouts. But in an interview below Jeremy Howard says they tried the snouts and it didn't work out for talking. So it was a sad but necessary sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15gd2y3ftxg


http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/kanye-west-are-you-serious-gif.gif

Technogeek29
06-26-2016, 03:39 AM
I'm actually pretty cool with the film's designs, I think they are a great blend of new and previous designs. The OOTS designs are refined to be cleaner and lighter, so that helps.

The Turtles design pays tribute to their 1987 (colored bandanas, harnesses) and 2012 designs (muscular Raph, short Mikey, lean Donnie), but also incorporate apparel and gear that suit them well.

I thought Donnie and Mikey worked well with one having a proton pack and tech, and the other having urban cool stuff like a shell necklace and a jacket.

Leo and Raph were a little more over-the-top: one was all samurai-like with bamboo armor and tabi, while the other had a do-rag luchador mask with shades and a loincloth; thankfully OOTS toned them down and they look much better.

The only thing I really miss are the snouts. But in an interview below Jeremy Howard says they tried the snouts and it didn't work out for talking. So it was a sad but necessary sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15gd2y3ftxg
You're telling me Don doesn't seem over the top to you? I think OOTS added more crap on him.

Bry
06-26-2016, 06:46 AM
The only thing I really miss are the snouts. But in an interview below Jeremy Howard says they tried the snouts and it didn't work out for talking. So it was a sad but necessary sacrifice.

Yeah, I remember that excuse -- I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now. If animatronics could pull it off in 1990 and 1991, CGI can sure as hell pull it off in 2014 and 2016. They actively chose to make their faces more humanoid to directly/easily paste the actor's expressions onto them. They could have given them a proper, classic TMNT appearance, they just chose not to.

Powder
06-26-2016, 07:26 AM
This thread & conversations I've recently had with '42 inspired me to start doing my own live-action TMNT concept art. I guess my vision is something like Henson meets Nieli.

http://i.imgur.com/MMQZckO.png

Shark_Blade
06-26-2016, 07:35 AM
I always thought the designs for this game were a perfect marriage between realistic and classic.

I'd also be pretty happy with something like this.

http://www.therpf.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=273728&d=1389728936Too ugly and wrinkly imo. :teek: Doubt it's teenage at all.

Base it of either of Sophie's designs:

http://orig03.deviantart.net/6be7/f/2013/363/c/c/leo_by_mooncalfe-d52dovd.jpgNo I don't want tubby/cuddly/fluffy Winnie the Pooh design to be ninja turtles'. Just makes me vomit.

or the OotS game:

http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1152540/TMNT-OotS_2013-09-01_09-19-25-66.pngThis one is a better compromise option. :) :tthumbsu:

Commenter 42
06-26-2016, 01:48 PM
They could have given them a proper, classic TMNT appearance, they just chose not to.

^^^^^^^^you win a noprize.

ToTheNines
06-26-2016, 02:34 PM
Shellington is a plant. That is all.

Commenter 42
06-26-2016, 02:38 PM
Shellington is a plant. That is all.

What gave it away? The blatantly scripted post copy, or the fact that It's using those discarded, ridiculous turtle glyphs from PD14.

@Shellington - Just a bit of advice; you're defense of the designs is indefensible.

ToTheNines
06-26-2016, 02:47 PM
All of the above, and then some. At least he's nice. Some of those buggers can be pretty nasty. I guess Paramount rethought their strategy.

Electric
06-26-2016, 04:43 PM
Regardless, I agree with Shellington, on just about everything with these designs

slingtheory
06-29-2016, 07:21 PM
Since we've already had a pitch perfect recreation of mirage styled turtles with the first movie I'd like to see a potential reboot pull ideas from everything done in the turtles existence .return to the Jim Henson styled practical suits but enhanced with cgi. Modeled after the grittier look of out of the shadows(the game) keeping the physical difference's from nick and with the more utility like belts and other accents from idw. Of course bring the guys down to average human size and lose the unnecessary super bulkiness

Powder
07-09-2016, 07:31 PM
I guess these are what I'd do.

http://i.imgur.com/eYKBSOM.png

You can read about the process & see hi-res versions here, if you want:
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=55800