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WolvDragon
06-28-2016, 01:38 PM
Spoilers for season 3 finale and all of season 4 just incase. I also avoided giving his name in the title just to be safe. Any way.





I been reading past topics on this forum for a while now, and I seen some members on this forum openly stating Splinter will be killed off again by Shredder when the turtles return to Earth to stop the Triceratons. Even when we were giving gif's of Earth's Last Stand of Splinter preventing Shredder from stabbing his chest, some people here still thought he had a chance to die again in that episode.

I wonder why would the writers purposely kill off Splinter again after all the trouble the Turtles went through to prevent the Triceratons from destroying Earth, and prevent his death?

Now I can see an argument where he might die in a future episode. Maybe in another one on one fight with Shredder where Shredder doesn't get the drop on him like he did in Annihilation: Earth. You know a fairer fight. Sure that'll make more sense. But to kill off Splinter now after all that trouble the Turtles went through in space?

Plus who would teach them ninjutsu? Who'll prepare them to fight against Shredder and his minions? I think someone mentioned Leo taking over as a possibility, but he's still inexperienced compared to Master Splinter and Shredder. I just don't see them killing Splinter off like that. Especially when he's one of the central characters on the show.

So yeah my question is basically is this. To those who thought Splinter will die for good in Earth's Last Stand, what made you so sure?

Powder
06-28-2016, 02:33 PM
TMNT's motto has always been Life At Best Is Bittersweet. Bad things happen, a lot. You come to expect the worst when it seems unexpected.

victory_angel
06-28-2016, 02:50 PM
The Turtles are growing up and sometimes growing up means losing people who matter to you like a parent for example.

This is why certain characters have to lose a father figure/mother figure/ or someone really important in order to make the issue more personal so that they tap into resolves that make them stronger then before.

Donnie/April/Raph/and Mikey have endured Splinter dying twice. Once when he supposedly died, and the other when he literally died.

And a majority of them would not be able to handle a third time. Litteral or supposed. Donnie for certain couldn't handle seeing a brother or loved one in near death conditions either, particularly if he is responsible for it.

Leo's only seen the literal death of Splinter and we have seen how that has affected him. Particularly when there is the chance to go back and prevent it.

ABrown
06-28-2016, 03:08 PM
I have a very tough time believing that any teen or adult on this site truly believed that the events weren't going to be undone. I could understand a 6, 7, 8 year old child not knowing. But not a teen or adult.

Powder
06-28-2016, 03:16 PM
The show has edge. Body horror, decent violence, suggestive humor, it was perfectly reasonable to think there may be a chance that they would kill him off officially. Ciro wanted to start the series off with Splinter dead, so the notion of his passing was obviously a significant one to his creative vision, at least at one point. Pairing that with the fact Splinter had a canon death in Mirage it most definitely sets a precedence. Don't insult our intelligence, poop-head.

Jester
06-28-2016, 04:05 PM
9 whole posts and one was (I removed it, and the follow ups) was a pointless rage at another member...keep it on point Wolvie. No need fo berserker rages.

TMNTInsighter
06-28-2016, 04:36 PM
Spoilers for season 3 finale and all of season 4 just incase. I also avoided giving his name in the title just to be safe. Any way.





I been reading past topics on this forum for a while now, and I seen some members on this forum openly stating Splinter will be killed off again by Shredder when the turtles return to Earth to stop the Triceratons. Even when we were giving gif's of Earth's Last Stand of Splinter preventing Shredder from stabbing his chest, some people here still thought he had a chance to die again in that episode.

I wonder why would the writers purposely kill off Splinter again after all the trouble the Turtles went through to prevent the Triceratons from destroying Earth, and prevent his death?

Now I can see an argument where he might die in a future episode. Maybe in another one on one fight with Shredder where Shredder doesn't get the drop on him like he did in Annihilation: Earth. You know a fairer fight. Sure that'll make more sense. But to kill off Splinter now after all that trouble the Turtles went through in space?

Plus who would teach them ninjutsu? Who'll prepare them to fight against Shredder and his minions? I think someone mentioned Leo taking over as a possibility, but he's still inexperienced compared to Master Splinter and Shredder. I just don't see them killing Splinter off like that. Especially when he's one of the central characters on the show.

So yeah my question is basically is this. To those who thought Splinter will die for good in Earth's Last Stand, what made you so sure?

You're right Wolv. I still have no idea how others could've thought it was going to happen because, first of all things can't end that way. The earth couldn't be destroyed and neither could Splinter and it would've been unfair if everyone came back alive and well and he didn't. It also wouldn't have made any sense because there's more to tell. I think it was just wishful thinking on their part to raise some kind of bar even though AE gave us what we needed. I also don't buy peoples' claims about Ciro wanting to kill off Splinter--again I think it's just manufactured wish making and it's a load of garbage.

Powder
06-28-2016, 05:40 PM
He said it in an interview, you dingus. I think it was Andrew's podcast.

Unlike some people here, I don't just spew BS.

Jester
06-28-2016, 06:28 PM
It's legit. Not sure where it was mentioned, but Splinter was originally pitched to only appear in flash back. But Nick vetoed that idea.

TMNTInsighter
06-28-2016, 07:51 PM
Say whatever you will or fall for any source that you want, but him being around all this series and still kicking says otherwise. But if you insist that Ciro was saying this all along, then he's full of garbage too.

Powder
06-28-2016, 07:55 PM
"Fall for any source you want"

Guess I'm a big dumb idiot for believing the words that came directly from his mouth in a podcast (which for those unaware is an audio based medium)!

The point I made was that he wanted to start the series with him dead. He was obviously not able to, but that set a precedent which gave credence to the idea that he still wanted to see what kind of effect that loss would have on the series & it's characters. His desire to kill him off was seeded ages ago.

You know where to shove the attitude, kid.

TMNTInsighter
06-28-2016, 07:57 PM
"Fall for any source you want"

Guess I'm a big dumb idiot for believing the words that came directly from his mouth in podcast, which for those unaware is an audio based medium.

The point I made was that he wanted to start the series with him dead. He was not able to. But that set a precedent which gave credence to the idea that he still wanted to see what kind of effect that loss would have on the series & it's characters.

Like I said, if that's the case, then he's full of garbage too.

Powder
06-28-2016, 07:59 PM
Reading comprehension, buddy.

He never said he was going to kill Splinter in season 4. I never wrote that he said that, either. What I'm saying, for the billionth time, is that his original plan is what made those of us fear for Splinter during the space arc. A perfectly reasonable hypothesis.

:trolleye:

It's bad enough I have to deal with you South Carolinians in person every day, I can't catch a break online either.

victory_angel
06-28-2016, 08:03 PM
"Fall for any source you want"

Guess I'm a big dumb idiot for believing the words that came directly from his mouth in podcast, which for those unaware is an audio based medium.

The point I made was that he wanted to start the series with him dead. He was not able to. But that set a precedent which gave credence to the idea that he still wanted to see what kind of effect that loss would have on the series & it's characters.

Exactly Ciro's original vision for the series was that Splinter had just passed on at least a few days prior to the beginning of the show. Confused over what they should do following the death of their Sensei they travel to the surface and meet April. And she becomes the surrogate thing they cling to. This isn't to say Splinter wouldn't be present in their lives, he would be...but only through their memories and visions.


Nick studios rejected the idea because they felt that where ever Splinter was, was home.

Ciro also commented in an interview alongside Rob Paulsen at comic con last year that Splinter and the Turtles are characters that live by the sword and die by the sword and to not show the consequences of that is rather inappropriate in his mind.

The whole save the earth and prevent Splinter's death felt like a best possible outcome, which isn't the most obtainable goal. So yes it could have been plausible for Splinter to die at the Shredder's hand but the Turtles still stop the earth from being destroyed. And even though they won, there would be a huge sense of loss as well which would make the victory rather hollow.

And even if Splinter had died there would still be ways to bring him back by having the Turtles flashback to what he has taught them, have him appear to them in deams, or visions. So on and so forth.

Shark_Blade
06-28-2016, 08:08 PM
He most likely won't die.

TMNTInsighter
06-28-2016, 08:11 PM
Reading comprehension, buddy.

He never said he was going to kill Splinter in season 4. I never wrote that he said that, either. What I'm saying, for the billionth time, is that his original plan is what made those of us fear for Splinter during the space arc. A perfectly reasonable hypothesis.

:trolleye:

It's bad enough I have to deal with you South Carolinians in person every day, I can't catch a break online either.

POWDER! WAKE UP!
This is not a show where people can just be killed off (with the exception of Tang Shen being this series'/franchise's Uncle Ben) and Ciro knows full well...as should anyone else! Anything around those lines said by Ciro or some wishful fans can't be accepted as gospel truth! And yet I had to sit and read throughout all that time between AE and Season 4a about all this fan-circulated BS?! THAT IS A JOKE AND SO ARE YOU! "It's bad enough I have to deal with you South Carolinians in person every day, I can't catch a break online either." PFFFT! GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK! IF YOU'RE IMPLYING THAT YOU LIVE IN SC TOO, LET'S EXCHANGE ADDRESSES SO WE CAN START THROWING DOWN BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR!

Powder
06-28-2016, 08:15 PM
I can see you're still completely misunderstanding the conversation being had here, so I'm gonna stop wasting my "breath".

& I'm not going to fight an emotionally disturbed person from an internet forum, brah. You serious? :tlol:

TMNTInsighter
06-28-2016, 08:20 PM
I can see you're still completely misunderstanding the conversation being had here, so I'm gonna stop wasting my "breath".

& I'm not going to fight an emotionally disturbed person from an internet forum, brah. You serious?

You were asking for it, not me. I was just stating facts while you just blabbered like an idiot and then tried to put the shoe on the other foot. Pffft!

Powder
06-28-2016, 08:21 PM
Asking for what? You want to bring me physical harm because you fail to comprehend the sound logic based in facts that I presented as an answer to the question this thread poses?

You are clearly the more rational person here. :trolleye:

This is the second time today someone in this thread has completely lost their mind at me. I really don't understand you guys. :tlol:

TMNTInsighter
06-28-2016, 08:22 PM
I can see you're still completely misunderstanding the conversation being had here, so I'm gonna stop wasting my "breath".

Now you're a hypocrite. :tlol:

Powder
06-28-2016, 08:27 PM
I'm gonna need ointment for that burn, oh boy.

Jester
06-28-2016, 08:30 PM
Good grief...do I have to clean this thread AGAIN?

Insighter stop living up to your name and let it go. It may, in you opinion, have been a bad idea, but it was an actual idea early in production.

GoldMutant
06-28-2016, 08:32 PM
Exactly Ciro's original vision for the series was that Splinter had just passed on at least a few days prior to the beginning of the show. Confused over what they should do following the death of their Sensei they travel to the surface and meet April. And she becomes the surrogate thing they cling to. This isn't to say Splinter wouldn't be present in their lives, he would be...but only through their memories and visions.


Nick studios rejected the idea because they felt that where ever Splinter was, was home.

Powder clearly stated this:

Ciro wanted to start the series off with Splinter dead, so the notion of his passing was obviously a significant one to his creative vision, at least at one point. Pairing that with the fact Splinter had a canon death in Mirage it most definitely sets a precedence.

It's been documented; I've been meaning to hear Andrew's podcast for a while but I'm a lazy dolt. :P There was an interview with Ciro with Splinter's death as a question. If I find it, I'll edit it and include a link below.

POWDER! WAKE UP!
This is not a show where people can just be killed off (with the exception of Tang Shen being this series'/franchise's Uncle Ben) and Ciro knows full well...as should anyone else! Anything around those lines said by Ciro or some wishful fans can't be accepted as gospel truth! And yet I had to sit and read throughout all that time between AE and Season 4a about all this fan-circulated BS?! THAT IS A JOKE AND SO ARE YOU! "It's bad enough I have to deal with you South Carolinians in person every day, I can't catch a break online either." PFFFT! GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK! IF YOU'RE IMPLYING THAT YOU LIVE IN SC TOO, LET'S EXCHANGE ADDRESSES SO WE CAN START THROWING DOWN BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR!

Calm down; I'll throw my hat in the ring for a moment. Look, if you were under the microscope yourself, your anger would screw you over and I don't feel talking tough is going to get you anywhere. I've got nothing against you at all even with our previous differences, now relax. Got it? Now then:

As Powder mentioned, Splinter was originally supposed to be dead in this series but it was rejected.(I don't know the reason at this time). A user here named Andrew runs a podcast with a few other members; Ciro was one of the guests on it about a year or two ago. Here's the post if you don't believe us, the link is hyperlinked on the word "here":

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1178837&postcount=104

Need I remind you Tennet was confirmed for 13 episodes as Fugitoid, then as shown it was the whole space arc even if a few were minor appearances to cameos? Clearly Splinter's lack of presence was what it was: a concept, but rejected. Nobody's saying it's "gospel" in terms of reality, but it offers a what-if scenario if that were fully fleshed out.

If this discussion is going to be destroying opinions, then somebody lock this thread or clean it out so we can try doing it fresh one more time. I do have stuff to say, but wanted to address the irrationality.

TMNTInsighter
06-28-2016, 08:55 PM
Ciro also said once that Tiger Claw has a future outside the Foot Clan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCtxWTkJbq0) but not only has it not happened but he wasted his best chance with ELS. Whatever his case is, you can't take anything the guy says seriously!

victory_angel
06-28-2016, 09:35 PM
Ciro also said once that Tiger Claw has a future outside the Foot Clan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCtxWTkJbq0) but not only has it not happened but he wasted his best chance with ELS. Whatever his case is, you can't take anything the guy says seriously!

Tigerclaw is, in essence, a hitman for the Foot Clan. He is aware the Shredder's morals are questionable and motives are crazed. But hit men characters don't bring their own personal morals about a target when an employer tells them to perform a hit. Be it a political figure or the sweet old grandmother down the street.

To them, it is just another job. They make their kill, they get paid, and then they wait for their next assignment.

The only time Tigerclaw ever really questioned the Shredder's sanity was in A:E. because the Shredder had forsaken Earth simply for the chance to settle his grudge with Splinter.

Whereas at the end of ELS Splinter's death and earths destruction is prevented so Tigerclaw's loyalty isn't put into question.

Tigerclaw is more likely to turn sides during the Human's vs. Mutants arc particularly if Mutants are being rounded up and imprisoned. So perhaps a moment where Tigerclaw is overpowered by the EPF and Shredder just walks away as though he has lost nothing of value.

TMNTInsighter
06-28-2016, 10:35 PM
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The only time Tigerclaw ever really questioned the Shredder's sanity was in A:E. because the Shredder had forsaken Earth simply for the chance to settle his grudge with Splinter.

.....

Tigerclaw is more likely to turn sides during the Human's vs. Mutants arc particularly if Mutants are being rounded up and imprisoned. So perhaps a moment where Tigerclaw is overpowered by the EPF and Shredder just walks away as though he has lost nothing of value.

1) Actually, TC has shown moments of questioning Shredder in "The Invasion I" and "Return to New York" (and to some minor extents "The Invasion II" and "Vengeance is Mine") as well JSUK.
Both "The Invasion", "Return to New York", and "Annihilation Earth" were written by Brandon Auman so it was very surprising that he dropped his chance with ELS. Think of it this way, if Tiger Claw was witness to the goings on between Shredder and Splinter the first time, why not here? Even if Nieli or Auman argued that he was only witness to the final result instead of the actions themselves both times, there's still no doubt he's cheated out of development there.
2) Even if they were to go that route, and unless they do it spectacularly, it's too late because that was it! It was their chance! Doing it now, even soon, would be a lot like Slash's turn to a complete hero which was horribly handled after the great episode that was "Slash and Destroy." Where that episode was perhaps the most psychological episode this series has produced, "Newtralized" didn't come close to that and wrapped up Slash's vendetta vs the team very quickly. Then "Battle For New York" totally bombed his character by going with Raph's misguided belief in S&D that the mutagen made him go temporarily crazy...anybody who remembers the first 5 1/2 minutes of S&D knows that that wasn't the case.

Ninturtle
06-29-2016, 07:50 AM
Ciro also said once that Tiger Claw has a future outside the Foot Clan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCtxWTkJbq0) but not only has it not happened but he wasted his best chance with ELS. Whatever his case is, you can't take anything the guy says seriously!

Are you serious? The show hasn't ended, just because you think it'd be appropriate for TC to leave the Foot Clan in that episode doesn't mean it won't happen in a later episode. I really shouldn't have to explain this to an adult.

GoldMutant
06-29-2016, 08:03 AM
Are you serious? The show hasn't ended, just because you think it'd be appropriate for TC to leave the Foot Clan in that episode doesn't mean it won't happen in a later episode. I really shouldn't have to explain this to an adult.

^^^ This. Now, to get back on topic after everything that's transpired:

To answer the original question, I certainly knew this was going to be reversed. Annihilation: Earth! and I really don't get along too well; I consider it a decent episode overall but in comparison to my first viewing when I adored it, I don't care for it as much. Several reasons for it that take away the overall quality in terms of story despite it's grand scale at that point in the series although over the top with Earth's fate in finales.

If I were to guess the reasoning people assumed Splinter died, I'd personally say it'd be so the show can expand on. Besides the Karai plotline and going feral in Return to New York, he hasn't been as important this time, especially compared to 2. Additionally, consider that Hoon Lee, the voice of Splinter was on Broadway in The King and I at that time; said death wrote him out for his obligations. Believe me, I can tell you that as an aspiring actor at school, it's very time consuming. Also, it's like Power Rangers: Dino Thunder where Tommy Oliver was frozen and then stuck in morph form. That was due to Jason David Frank, Tommy's actor, wanting to return to America to be with his family but recorded lines regardless.

If Splinter were killed, the show could finally prove itself as returning to darker roots previously established. However, considering the overall delivery of the death's aftermath, it really didn't amount to anything primarily. You can make an argument with Transdimensional Turtles influencing Earth's Last Stand but I find it a bit of a stretch. Also, since reversing time in most time travel media often results in horror, that's another reason.

I can come up with several "what-ifs" but that's the general idea.

Aaronardo
06-29-2016, 08:50 AM
Ciro also said once that Tiger Claw has a future outside the Foot Clan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCtxWTkJbq0) but not only has it not happened but he wasted his best chance with ELS. Whatever his case is, you can't take anything the guy says seriously!

Buddy, it doesn't matter what you think is a good idea or a bad idea in this case. Ciro said that Splinter was going to start off the show dead. Last I checked, Ciro was the one credited as "Producer." Not you. It's his show. Not yours. He pitched it. Not you. It was a scrapped idea. It went kaput. It never made it to the final product because Nickelodeon didn't allow it. You might not think it was a good idea, but like it or not, it's what Ciro said, and he is a very vocal producer for the show (he's been there since the very beginning).

And as for Tiger Claw, his story is indeed coming full-circle in Season 5 (granted, that's just speculation, but with Japan and possibly the Ninja Tribunal being the subject for the beginning of the season, they'd be pretty stupid not to bring Tiger Claw in).

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-29-2016, 08:56 AM
Wow. Somebody needs to get back on his meds asap. Seriously, his mother needs to pay more attention to what her little cupcake is doing.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-29-2016, 09:24 AM
People like such dark science fiction-stories, like Archie's Future Shark and 2003 series' "Same as it Never Was".

TMNTInsighter
06-29-2016, 02:20 PM
Wow. Somebody needs to get back on his meds asap. Seriously, his mother needs to pay more attention to what her little cupcake is doing.

Excuse me but the only one who's been using common sense on this thread is me! If everybody else, including yourself, valued it as much as I do then almost everyone on this thread would be taking the necessary medication for it. Common sense rocks. I use it, you don't, that's the problem! Get on the meds!

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-29-2016, 02:22 PM
Excuse me but the only one who's been using common sense on this thread is me! If everybody else, including yourself, valued it as much as I do then almost everyone on this thread would be taking the necessary medication for it. Common sense rocks. I use it, you don't, that's the problem! Get on the meds!

You're not prone to violence, whether against yourself or others, are you?

TMNTInsighter
06-29-2016, 02:27 PM
You're not prone to violence, whether against yourself or others, are you?

Only if they ask for it or deserve it. Isn't that enough?

And if you read our back and forth, Powder was certainly asking for it. Not only did he start having a fit over my opinion but he went on to insult where I live, myself, my friends, my family, etc. you bet he was asking for it. Another tried to use my name in a perverse way against me. This is all unacceptable and I will not stand for it! You're damn right it's enough.

GoldMutant
06-29-2016, 02:34 PM
Excuse me but the only one who's been using common sense on this thread is me! If everybody else, including yourself, valued it as much as I do then almost everyone on this thread would be taking the necessary medication for it. Common sense rocks. I use it, you don't, that's the problem! Get on the meds!

Hold it right there on the ego and attitude. In addition to throwing that verbal attack to Powder last night, this was also posted last night:

Ciro also said once that Tiger Claw has a future outside the Foot Clan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCtxWTkJbq0) but not only has it not happened but he wasted his best chance with ELS. Whatever his case is, you can't take anything the guy says seriously!

You brought up time travel before, but it's clear that due to history getting altered in Earth's Last Stand, why would Tiger Claw react how he did in Annihilation: Earth? Subtly or not, it doesn't make sense because of what occurred with Splinter fighting back that time instead of.. you know. I acknowledge your points on Tiger Claw questioning loyalty though, but throwing out what we've brought up as uncommon knowledge and your behavior is where the line is drawn. (I honestly question how long until we actually see this thread locked at this point)

TMNTInsighter
06-29-2016, 02:40 PM
Hold it right there on the ego and attitude. In addition to throwing that verbal attack to Powder last night, this was also posted last night:



You brought up time travel before, but it's clear that due to history getting altered in Earth's Last Stand, why would Tiger Claw react how he did in Annihilation: Earth? Subtly or not, it doesn't make sense because of what occurred with Splinter fighting back that time instead of.. you know. I acknowledge your points on Tiger Claw questioning loyalty though, but throwing out what we've brought up as uncommon knowledge and your behavior is where the line is drawn. (I honestly question how long until we actually see this thread locked at this point)

Exactly! ELS was a failure with its horribly calculated plot contrivances among other things (TC, the introduction of the Devastator, timing of revelation, overall timing, etc). Usually something can have enough redeeming features to compensate for it, but there's no way ELS was better than a C (on a scale of A-F) as far as ratings go.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-29-2016, 02:45 PM
Only if they ask for it or deserve it. Isn't that enough?

And if you read our back and forth, Powder was certainly asking for it. Not only did he start having a fit over my opinion but he went on to insult where I live, myself, my friends, my family, etc. you bet he was asking for it. Another tried to use my name in a perverse way against me. This is all unacceptable and I will not stand for it! You're damn right it's enough.

Please, dear boy, keep up what you're doing. The sooner you're banned, the better.

TMNTInsighter
06-29-2016, 02:48 PM
Please, dear boy, keep up what you're doing. The sooner you're banned, the better.

In your dreams! :trazz: :tlol:

Aaronardo
06-29-2016, 05:49 PM
Exactly! ELS was a failure with its horribly calculated plot contrivances among other things (TC, the introduction of the Devastator, timing of revelation, overall timing, etc). Usually something can have enough redeeming features to compensate for it, but there's no way ELS was better than a C (on a scale of A-F) as far as ratings go.

Earth's Last Stand was garbage. We all know this. It's episodes like that which make me give up hope for the show. Doesn't change the way you were acting (and the fact that the point you brought up is wrong, as perfectly explained by GoldMutant).

Honestly, though, on the subject of horrible episodes of the show, I can't even watch any Season 1 episodes anymore without taking pity on the show as a whole. Man, this show could've been the sh*t had it kept doing what it was doing, but nope. Change of writers. How unfortunate.

Please, dear boy, keep up what you're doing. The sooner you're banned, the better.

Banned? This is the funniest sh*t I've seen all day.

Ninturtle
06-29-2016, 05:58 PM
Only if they ask for it or deserve it. Isn't that enough?

And if you read our back and forth, Powder was certainly asking for it. Not only did he start having a fit over my opinion but he went on to insult where I live, myself, my friends, my family, etc. you bet he was asking for it. Another tried to use my name in a perverse way against me. This is all unacceptable and I will not stand for it! You're damn right it's enough.

Well aren't you a sensitive little fella, a sensitive little fella who's fooled himself into thinking he's acting somewhat rational in this thread when everyone else knows he's insane.

ToTheNines
06-29-2016, 05:59 PM
Only if they ask for it or deserve it. Isn't that enough?

And if you read our back and forth, Powder was certainly asking for it. Not only did he start having a fit over my opinion but he went on to insult where I live, myself, my friends, my family, etc. you bet he was asking for it. Another tried to use my name in a perverse way against me. This is all unacceptable and I will not stand for it! You're damn right it's enough.

You're a puss.

Aaronardo
06-29-2016, 06:37 PM
And if you read our back and forth, Powder was certainly asking for it.

Just like how you're pretty much asking for everyone to literally trash you at this point? And, no, Powder never asked for it, as I'm about to prove.

Not only did he start having a fit over my opinion

Wasn't over an opinion. It was over your sheer incompetence to comprehend a simple fact stated by the guy. That and the only person in this thread who's had a fit so far is you.

POWDER! WAKE UP!
This is not a show where people can just be killed off (with the exception of Tang Shen being this series'/franchise's Uncle Ben) and Ciro knows full well...as should anyone else! Anything around those lines said by Ciro or some wishful fans can't be accepted as gospel truth! And yet I had to sit and read throughout all that time between AE and Season 4a about all this fan-circulated BS?! THAT IS A JOKE AND SO ARE YOU! "It's bad enough I have to deal with you South Carolinians in person every day, I can't catch a break online either." PFFFT! GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK! IF YOU'RE IMPLYING THAT YOU LIVE IN SC TOO, LET'S EXCHANGE ADDRESSES SO WE CAN START THROWING DOWN BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR!

Ahem.

but he went on to insult where I live,

Hey, he was insulting where he lives too. I live in the South too and I can say personally that I have to put up with pukes like you who can't understand simple sentence comprehension on a daily basis as well. The South, and if not the South, the Southeast, is sh*t and is full of sh*t people. So is the North in all honesty. The whole world is. Except Iceland. That place is perfection.

myself,

If you didn't act like an insipid piece of trash, maybe people wouldn't insult you.

my friends, my family, etc.

LOL what? Please do show me where he "insulted your friends and family." He never once mentioned your friends or your family. Why? Because he doesn't take Internet forum fights personally.

PFFFT! GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK! IF YOU'RE IMPLYING THAT YOU LIVE IN SC TOO, LET'S EXCHANGE ADDRESSES SO WE CAN START THROWING DOWN BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR!

...Unlike you.

Another tried to use my name in a perverse way against me.

That's Jester. There's a reason all his stars are gold and his name is bolded. He's a freakin' moderator. You better believe he's not breaking the very rules he enforces. Thus, "perverse"? You kidding me? Yes, because "Insighter, stop living up to your name and let it go." That's perverse as hell. That was literally the nicest thing anyone has said to you on this thread, and you were already acting like a sh*thead at that point.

And so, your arguments are invalid.

Electric
06-29-2016, 10:34 PM
In am confused as to how theyre not understanding Powder...

All he was saying was that, in an interview, Ciro originally wanted the series to begin with Splinter being dead. Thats it. It was just his original idea, obviously not what we got. I think he also stated that he considered having april be the focus of the show, and that at one point considered Raph to be the one that had a crush on April.

All just thoughts. But since Ciro had originally no problem with Splinter being dead, it would seem possible that he would be ok with have him die at some point.

Thats all...

Personally, I think itd give the main characters some incredible arcs if Splinter were to be killed off....

CyberCubed
06-30-2016, 12:35 AM
This thread should be locked.

ABrown
06-30-2016, 08:26 AM
This thread should be locked.

For once, I actually agree with that statement.

thundermaster612
06-30-2016, 09:29 AM
It's legit. Not sure where it was mentioned, but Splinter was originally pitched to only appear in flash back. But Nick vetoed that idea.

Screw you Nick. As much as I like Splinter in the new series (he is a badass) I really wanted him to stay dead. BUT NICKELODEON HAS TO MANTAIN THEIR NICENESS AND STUFF BLEEHHHH. ****ing Avatar Nick. If you cant do anything like before then you might as well make the show a live action shitcom like you do now with other things. Like Splinter is a father figure, the one who trains the turtles and takes care of him. But we've never had a show where he is successfully killed off and the turtles are on their own. The farmhouse was only a peek at the turtles living by themselves. Possibly not even close to what would actually happen if he really did die. Of course they could kill him off but then they could bring back the Astral Plane thing so the turtles can contact his spirit through that when they really need his help. But come on Nick, next time you kill a character, keep em dead.

Coola Yagami
07-02-2016, 10:14 AM
No matter how edgey it is, it's still a kid show and this Splinter has been more active and involved than previous versions. I doubt they would have killed him off for real.

Remember these turtles are still young and inexperienced. They're not in their late 30s like in mirage when splinter died. They would need a new sensei to continue to train then or shredder will kill them. I don't want them to pull some bs where Leo was secretly a super ninja master all along and had a handful of secret splinter techniques he never showed anyone to suddenly become the new sensei. I mean they never even fought as a team until the first episode. If splinter dies now the show better be ready to introduce a new sensei or at least power shredder down.

Ashwolf
07-02-2016, 08:21 PM
Not saying any character named since so many possibilities from events of past eps but given that a shinigami is gonna show up next season, I'd say pretty much safe assumption that some character is going 2 die

If I'm right on that, then 1 massive mess is gonna come up from trying 2 bring him/her back if they go that route

Coola Yagami
07-02-2016, 09:06 PM
Maybe they can kill off their lame version of casey.....

victory_angel
07-02-2016, 10:06 PM
Not saying any character named since so many possibilities from events of past eps but given that a shinigami is gonna show up next season, I'd say pretty much safe assumption that some character is going 2 die

If I'm right on that, then 1 massive mess is gonna come up from trying 2 bring him/her back

They never said her character was a Shinigami, they just said her character was called Shinigami.

All we know aside from that is she walks the line between good and evil. So possible powers or magical abilities are up in the air until comic con. The season finale tends have a dramatic event that sets up for the next season. But I don't think it's an actual death.

Typically when someone is confirmed dead there is no bring him back...that us unless their name is Kraang Sub Prime.

Sure Splinter died, but they had Deos Ex Machina of going back in time and preventing said death from taking place.

Leo was in a death-like state for three months. But during his fight with the Shredder he fell in a large puddle of ice water which did severely leave him weakened, but also ironically saved his life.

Where things are currently at best they might go IDW issue 44 and have it appear as though someone had died, but then reveal in the first episode of season five that said person wasn't dead, they were just barely clinging to life and they had to get said person stabilized before it was too late.

At worst the Turtles, April, and Casey would be in a situation where they come to the conclusion of sacrificing themselves as a family. And just when it's beginning to sink in the Turtles are gone, the Temporal Clones of the Turtles, April, and Casey return from space and replace their counter-parts.

Though if it does turn out that Shinigami does have Spiritual powers, perhaps she has the ability to capture the souls of people leaving the person not really dead, but not alive either.

At this point Leo and Splinter pretty much are at a point where having either of them undergoing a death like or near death experience is about as pointless as Superhero Funerals. So if you're going to have a death moment either kill one of them off permanently and commit to the death, or have the ax fall on someone else for a while.