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Utrommaniac
07-22-2016, 12:36 PM
Say, shouldn't we have a preview out by now? It is the Friday before the release and I haven't seen anything yet.

MikeandRaph87
07-22-2016, 12:53 PM
Drat, I saw this and thought it was up. Everyone in the industry is in San Diego so I suspect like it was once recently released on Monday instead. Hope I am wrong, bu that is what I would expect.

CyberCubed
07-22-2016, 12:54 PM
Yeah, perhaps SDCC going on is why no sites are putting it up.

ProphetofGanja
07-22-2016, 02:28 PM
One would think that with SDCC going on and all the increased attention on comics/games/movies/etc., they would capitalize on the interest and release their previews on time, in the hopes of garnering more sales. But I guess that's just me.

spookycookies
07-22-2016, 04:49 PM
I hope master splinter is ok...

CyberCubed
07-22-2016, 04:58 PM
I hope master splinter is ok...

We already see him on the covers of the following issues, he's fine.

ProphetofGanja
07-22-2016, 06:01 PM
We already see him on the covers of the following issues, he's fine.

but is he though???

Redeemer
07-22-2016, 07:10 PM
Say, shouldn't we have a preview out by now? It is the Friday before the release and I haven't seen anything yet.

Probably won't get a preview until Monday if at all bc of Comic-Con.

myconius
07-22-2016, 11:58 PM
Drat, I saw this and thought it was up. Everyone in the industry is in San Diego so I suspect like it was once recently released on Monday instead. Hope I am wrong, bu that is what I would expect.

dang!!!! this got my hopes up for a preview as well! :lol:

Vicky82
07-23-2016, 03:54 PM
There is a 3 page preview on ITunes.

In the 3rd page

you see Kitsune Stabbing/pushing the Knife into Splinter

Utrommaniac
07-23-2016, 04:01 PM
Okay, it seems we have at least a little motivation from Kitsune for once. Hamato Yoshi was hunting her in a flashback for reasons I can't quite read because the preview is too small.

ChosenOne
07-25-2016, 10:17 AM
The preview is now up here (https://issuu.com/idwpublishing/docs/tmnt_60-pr).

Utrommaniac
07-25-2016, 10:28 AM
Oh my GOD, they seriously pulled the ol' "bullet proof vest" thing :lol: ? Though...it actually did make contact, though not enough to kill him. And obviously cause a lot of pain? Mike using his grappler to entangle Kitsune was a nice shout-out too.

I have a distinct feeling they'll need a nice long nap after the busy day they've had.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-25-2016, 10:31 AM
The preview is now up here (https://issuu.com/idwpublishing/docs/tmnt_60-pr).

Looks like Leo might fall back under Kitsune's spell? And Raph, too, maybe?

Hard to tell... should be interesting.

Oh, and Kevlar copout. :tlol:

The Happy One
07-25-2016, 02:27 PM
Looks like Leo might fall back under Kitsune's spell? And Raph, too, maybe?

Hard to tell... should be interesting.

Oh, and Kevlar copout. :tlol:

Yeah, she'll probably get into his head- or ALL their heads, turn them against one another. The only question is, how will this be resolved? Super stoked for Wednesday

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-25-2016, 02:30 PM
Yeah, she'll probably get into his head- or ALL their heads, turn them against one another. The only question is, how will this be resolved? Super stoked for Wednesday

Well, we've seen Splinter fight her in the astral plane to undo his sons' brainwashing (TMNT: Deviations)...

That could happen again, for realz this time. That's my theory.

CyberCubed
07-25-2016, 03:28 PM
Are we sure the man in the flashback is Saki?

The Happy One
07-25-2016, 03:40 PM
Well, we've seen Splinter fight her in the astral plane to undo his sons' brainwashing (TMNT: Deviations)...

That could happen again, for realz this time. That's my theory.

True, true. We know he does, in fact, survive the attack and that somehow the turtles resolve this without killing each other so...that's a great possibility, my friend!

Utrommaniac
07-25-2016, 04:17 PM
Was Saki ever a governor's retainer? And in that particular city?

Something about the way of this sentence describes the arrows amuses me.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o191/Bat-Snake/Screen%20Shot%202016-07-25%20at%204.12.41%20PM_zpsqqrdfl3d.png
It reminds me of "a Red Ryder Carbine Action 200-shot Range Model air rifle with a compass in the stock and "this thing which tells time""

I don't know, it rubs me the wrong way and I find it funny.

Panda_Kahn_fan
07-25-2016, 04:31 PM
Guys, I think the retainer story was just there to illustrate Kitsune's vindictive nature. I believe the Japanese retainer is... just a Japanese retainer. Not everybody is somebody important.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-25-2016, 04:31 PM
Guys, I think the retainer story was just there to illustrate Kitsune's vindictive nature. I believe the Japanese retainer is... just a Japanese retainer. Not everybody is somebody important.

Sometimes a potato is just a potato.

I agree.

ProphetofGanja
07-27-2016, 09:16 AM
Sometimes a potato is just a potato.

I agree.

reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVXTqnG7NoI

also, I'm just a few pages into this issue, pretty crazy so far!

Utrommaniac
07-27-2016, 09:24 AM
Oof...that last page...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QdCpndo7FfU/VgwLaE0nGjI/AAAAAAAARnw/Xkqiw-MyEFc/s400/giphy.gif

Splinter, stop being Hamlet and find a place to put that. Ew.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2016, 10:47 AM
Well, that was both awesome and frustrating.

Awesome:


Seeing Mikey, Raph, and Don all fall to Kitsune was pretty cool
Aka and Rat King both watching from the shadows... turns out they BOTH contributed to foiling Kitsune's gambit
Splinter's precaution of keeping Saki's head elsewhere... well played, Hamato Yoshi

Frustrating:


Kevlar cop-out... feel a little cheated there
The white magic... not frustrated so much as ambivalent and still making up my mind
Pretty cool to see April come to the rescue though
That's it? We STILL don't know what the hell Kitsune is really doing... what was her plan originally back when Saki was still alive? Now she just seems focused on bringing back her "Dragon Warrior", but what was the original plan?

neatoman
07-27-2016, 12:23 PM
"Alas, poor Saki! I knew him, Leonardo, a fellow of infinite
jest, of most excellent fancy. He hath bore me on his back a
thousand times, and now how abhorr'd in my imagination it is!
My gorge rises at it."

-Splinter

Panda_Kahn_fan
07-27-2016, 12:30 PM
I think it's obvious what her plan was, shaping the foot into an army to use against her siblings in the final stage of the 'game'.

Guys, I think you all need to realize; this whole patheon story is not a story arc in IDW that's going to wrap up, it IS the overarching story of the IDW comic. The tmnt and shredder are just pawns in the bigger war.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2016, 12:43 PM
I think it's obvious what her plan was, shaping the foot into an army to use against her siblings in the final stage of the 'game'.

Guys, I think you all need to realize; this whole patheon story is not a story arc in IDW that's going to wrap up, it IS the overarching story of the IDW comic. The tmnt and shredder are just pawns in the bigger war.

Oh shut up. We KNOW it's the main overarching story. :trolleye:

CyberCubed
07-27-2016, 01:43 PM
Well one good thing is it does kind of confirm that Kitsune really does love Shredder, and wasn't just using him as a pawn. I guess she plans to resurrect him as the dragon warrior and have him join the Pantheon as an immortal.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2016, 01:46 PM
Well one good thing is it does kind of confirm that Kitsune really does love Shredder, and wasn't just using him as a pawn. I guess she plans to resurrect him as the dragon warrior and have him join the Pantheon as an immortal.

There is that. I did find that satisfying. Ties back really well to "Secret History of the Foot Clan", too.

I mean, she seemed pretty cold towards him in "Vengeance"... didn't think Shredhead's death affected her at all.

TomWaltz
07-27-2016, 01:49 PM
Guys, I think the retainer story was just there to illustrate Kitsune's vindictive nature. I believe the Japanese retainer is... just a Japanese retainer. Not everybody is somebody important.

You are absolutely correct Panda_Kahn_fan! That story is an actual Japanese folk tale called FOX ARSON:

http://www.coyotes.org/kitsune/myths_japanese.html#Fox_Arson

We just wanted to give Kitsune a bit of fun back story there to highlight, as you said, her vindictive/sly nature.

Thanks for reading!

Talk soon...

Tom W.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2016, 01:58 PM
You are absolutely correct Panda_Kahn_fan! That story is an actual Japanese folk tale called FOX ARSON:

http://www.coyotes.org/kitsune/myths_japanese.html#Fox_Arson

We just wanted to give Kitsune a bit of fun back story there to highlight, as you said, her vindictive/sly nature.

Thanks for reading!

Talk soon...

Tom W.

That's awesome!

Utrommaniac
07-27-2016, 02:12 PM
Well. Rat King gets the Pied Piper and mass kidnapping. Kitsune gets that and arson. Good for her.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2016, 02:16 PM
Well. Rat King gets the Pied Piper and mass kidnapping. Kitsune gets that and arson. Good for her.

Buncha immortal delinquents... :tgrumble:

ChosenOne
07-27-2016, 03:18 PM
I couldn't get the video properly embedded but can this be Chi-You's folklore backstory?

https://youtu.be/jXmV8_Q6bJ8

Pretty please? :lol:

Utrommaniac
07-27-2016, 03:26 PM
That bull became good soup indeed :lol:

neatoman
07-27-2016, 03:40 PM
I wonder what will happen with Shredder's helmet?

CyberCubed
07-27-2016, 03:40 PM
Is there any reason Kitsune didn't mind control Jennika? She showed she could mind control all the random Foot Soldiers, Alopex, Raph/Mike/Don, and we know Leo/Splinter were able to resist her...but no reason was given for Jennika.

There doesn't seem to be anything special about the character so I wonder why.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2016, 03:42 PM
Is there any reason Kitsune didn't mind control Jennika? She showed she could mind control all the random Foot Soldiers, Alopex, Raph/Mike/Don, and we know Leo/Splinter were able to resist her...but no reason was given for Jennika.

There doesn't seem to be anything special about the character so I wonder why.

I think because Kitsune is disgusted by her. She wants to control her army (the Foot proper) or her enemies (the mutants). But Jennika chose to side with Splinter against Kitsune... for that, she has to be punished and broken.

ProphetofGanja
07-27-2016, 06:29 PM
I think because Kitsune is disgusted by her. She wants to control her army (the Foot proper) or her enemies (the mutants). But Jennika chose to side with Splinter against Kitsune... for that, she has to be punished and broken.

Yup, pretty much. Also, maybe Kitsune just assumes (correctly?) that for the most part mutants will always have an advantage over humans

TomWaltz
07-27-2016, 06:32 PM
Is there any reason Kitsune didn't mind control Jennika? She showed she could mind control all the random Foot Soldiers, Alopex, Raph/Mike/Don, and we know Leo/Splinter were able to resist her...but no reason was given for Jennika.

There doesn't seem to be anything special about the character so I wonder why.

She sent Alopex after Jennika, thinking the mutant fox would finish her. Even when she didn't, Kitsune still sees Jennika as nothing more than a failed assassin -- a common Foot soldier unworthy of her attention and energy, all the while underestimating the bond the TMNT and Splinter are building with the troubled young woman. That being said, had the battle continued, Kitsune may have had to mind control Jennika -- but Aka via April made sure that never came about.

Talk soon...

Tom W.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2016, 09:41 PM
She sent Alopex after Jennika, thinking the mutant fox would finish her. Even when she didn't, Kitsune still sees Jennika as nothing more than a failed assassin -- a common Foot soldier unworthy of her attention and energy, all the while underestimating the bond the TMNT and Splinter are building with the troubled young woman. That being said, had the battle continued, Kitsune may have had to mind control Jennika -- but Aka via April made sure that never came about.

Talk soon...

Tom W.

Exactly how I saw it!

Panda_Kahn_fan
07-27-2016, 09:52 PM
Oh shut up. We KNOW it's the main overarching story. :trolleye:

sheesh, I was just being funny. ..

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2016, 09:57 PM
sheesh, I was just being funny. ..

Sorry, man, it didn't come off that way. You griped pretty hard at those of us impatient with the non-answers regarding the Pantheon last issue, so it came across as more of the same.

Don't go Cubed on us, Panda. :twink:

Panda_Kahn_fan
07-27-2016, 10:35 PM
Sorry, man, it didn't come off that way. You griped pretty hard at those of us impatient with the non-answers regarding the Pantheon last issue, so it came across as more of the same.

Don't go Cubed on us, Panda. :twink:

No way I could do that, I'm not obsessed enough with turtle nostrils. :lol:

I guess I just get frustrated with how impatient some people seem to get with IDW's storytelling pace. I like the idea of thew Pantheon being a big mystery behind EVERYTHING in the entire series, and that it might now be resolved until the IDW series's end years from now.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
07-27-2016, 10:44 PM
No way I could do that, I'm not obsessed enough with turtle nostrils. :lol:

I guess I just get frustrated with how impatient some people seem to get with IDW's storytelling pace. I like the idea of thew Pantheon being a big mystery behind EVERYTHING in the entire series, and that it might now be resolved until the IDW series's end years from now.

To reiterate, I think most of us fully expect the Pantheon to remain the main overarching story, the crux and main antagonist of this entire series for however long it lasts. We don't want it resolved.

But at some point, the teasing has to develop into actual facts.

Consider, we knew the basics of Krang's motivations and his goals within two years; the same for Shredder and Baxter and Alopex and Karai. Old Hob's motives were introduced early on, and then when his character evolved, that was explained over the course of about two years.

Kitsune's been around for 3-4 ("Secret History of the Foot Clan" came out Jan-Apr 2013) years and we still know jack about what she's even doing.

Or the Rat King; he came out in July 2014's #36. Over two years later, we still know hardly anything about what he wants or does or is.

So basically, compared to every other major threat and antagonist, members of the Pantheon progress at a much more glacial pace. Our questions aren't getting answered with more questions or new development... it's just snailing along. :trazz:

THAT'S why we're frustrated.

Ninjinister
07-27-2016, 10:58 PM
I don't have a problem with a slow burn story... planting seeds way in advance so that the fruit borne is more ripe and full.

Speaking of which, with the events of this issue I've got to wonder if Rat King isn't more "tough love mentor" than an out-and-out a-hole.

ChosenOne
07-27-2016, 11:40 PM
For someone like me, who grew up watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer and its spin-off Angel, I get the similarities between the Pantheon plot and what Jasmine was to those two shows. The big overarching plot, the Big Bad who pulled all the strings from behind the scenes to set the board in their favor, etc. Thing is, I'd rather it wasn't the endgame of the series in the case of TMNT. Even in Angel, there was life after Jasmine, and what a life it was! Season 5 and After the Fall were brilliant IMHO. Even after the dust settles with the family of immortals, IDW TMNT has been so brilliant in its world-building that there's still a lot of ways for the story to keep writing itself, I feel.

Of course, except for the Rat King and other possible adaptations of old-school characters down the line, this whole Pantheon saga is where IDW makes it or breaks it. It's a completely original plot, completely original characters and completely original situations, and I fully understand the lure of making their mark in the history of the franchise in such a big way. As I am sure this will all pay off beautifully in the end because I trust in the IDW folks, but the waiting and the slow burn is sheer agony.

It might be unfair of me to speculate that even they might be pulling a GRRM/Toriyama/Jack Sparrow (pick one according to your preference) and making it up as they go along, not fully aware of where the Pantheon plot will end up but keeping several steps aheads of the readers. I say it's unfair to make such a suggestion, but hey, every single element of this comic had to be decided at some point and we're all still here holding our breath to see how it ends...

Bottom line: everyone better strap in for the long haul, there's no way I can see the Pantheon plot being resolved in #100 without feeling like all bark, no bite after so much setup. It's not that I (we?) doubt the quality of the outcome, it's the journey to get there that's been excruciatingly slow.

Hey, thank Zod for two ongoing titles starting next month! :D

Ninjinister
07-27-2016, 11:44 PM
I feel like the writers and such might have an endgame for the Pantheon Saga but maybe not all the pieces to get there yet. They might have the big ones in place, but they'll carve out the stepping stones to those as they come to them.

ChosenOne
07-27-2016, 11:51 PM
I feel like the writers and such might have an endgame for the Pantheon Saga but maybe not all the pieces to get there yet. They might have the big ones in place, but they'll carve out the stepping stones to those as they come to them.

If that is the case, I hope the Turtles are able to turn the tables on the opposing members of the Pantheon near the end and show themselves capable of more agency than just being pushed around like chess pieces. Sort of like what they did in the build-up to Attack on Technodrome, where they pitted Shredder against Krang. One look at #37 would make it seem that the Turtles were mere pawns, inconsequential nuisances even, in the power struggle between these two great warlords... And then they pulled a fast one and stuck it to them both, and it was an immensely satisfying read. I'd like to see something like that again with the Pantheon.

Also, not sure how I feel about Aka's intervention not exempting the Turtles, Splinter, April, Alopex and Jennika from Kitsune's mind control for good. Once was cute, but if they're going to be fighting among themselves every time they go up against her in the future...

Utrommaniac
07-27-2016, 11:56 PM
Considering that it didn't work on Leonardo because he was able to resist her, I think that the others would too. Her mind control is sort of like chicken pox. Get it once, get resistance.

CyberCubed
07-28-2016, 12:39 AM
For all we know Null could be a member of the Pantheon too. She already fits the part of being a mystical being, she looks like a devil, has powers, etc.

Connecting Null to the Pantheon would also be a nice way to tie her into the main story.

Anima Gemini
07-28-2016, 02:16 AM
For all we know Null could be a member of the Pantheon too. She already fits the part of being a mystical being, she looks like a devil, has powers, etc.

Connecting Null to the Pantheon would also be a nice way to tie her into the main story.

What if Null used to be a member of the Pantheon, but they kicked her out for not playing by the rules or something? Now she's like a fallen angel, if you will.

And on another note:
These current goings-on sort of bring a whole new meaning to the phrase "Old Shred Head," amirite? *ba-dum ching*

Ninjinister
07-28-2016, 02:20 AM
Considering that it didn't work on Leonardo because he was able to resist her, I think that the others would too. Her mind control is sort of like chicken pox. Get it once, get resistance.

I don't think it was being controlled before that gave him the resistance. This is what I meant about Rat King up above... his little stint when he met Splinter and Leo is what I think gave them their resistance. And maybe April and Casey, too from the C&A mini-series.

ToTheNines
07-28-2016, 06:20 AM
For all we know Null could be a member of the Pantheon too. She already fits the part of being a mystical being, she looks like a devil, has powers, etc.

Connecting Null to the Pantheon would also be a nice way to tie her into the main story.

Null is from Dimension X.

The Happy One
07-28-2016, 07:39 AM
I don't think it was being controlled before that gave him the resistance. This is what I meant about Rat King up above... his little stint when he met Splinter and Leo is what I think gave them their resistance. And maybe April and Casey, too from the C&A mini-series.

That's what I was thinking...rather than it being Leo already had been controlled, I think a large factor was the Rat King. If I'm not mistaken, don't these dudes have pawns, almost like selected 'characters' who they move around and whatnot?

Maybe that's why Kitsune couldn't take control over Leo anymore- because he's already a pawn for Rat King?? I'm just taking guesses here. But I wondered the same thing.

Allio
07-28-2016, 01:31 PM
Leo and splinter already in control of the rat King is kind of the obvious

ChosenOne
07-28-2016, 03:16 PM
If Leo and Splinter are off-limits to her for whatever reason, and I agree that they are, and if her attempts to resurrect Saki continue to be thwarted... Maybe Kitsune could improvise a new Shredder as a figurehead for the Foot Clan under her control. Like, say, Karai? Or even Raph? If she's so determined to acquire one of the Turtles as her pawn and effectively deal a crippling blow to their cohesion as an opposing force, it could work. /daydream

The Happy One
07-28-2016, 08:37 PM
If Leo and Splinter are off-limits to her for whatever reason, and I agree that they are, and if her attempts to resurrect Saki continue to be thwarted... Maybe Kitsune could improvise a new Shredder as a figurehead for the Foot Clan under her control. Like, say, Karai? Or even Raph? If she's so determined to acquire one of the Turtles as her pawn and effectively deal a crippling blow to their cohesion as an opposing force, it could work. /daydream

Oh yeah, that's very plausible. She could use one of those two- Raph specifically. I don't see her using Mikey as one or Don. But ot would flow right if it was Raph, and Karai is even more likely. I like this idea!

Weapons@theready
07-28-2016, 09:44 PM
So Kitsune us now in possessionof Shredder's body without a head...

I wonder...http://miragelicensing.com/comics/archie/24/2404.jpg

ChosenOne
07-28-2016, 09:50 PM
So Kitsune us now in possessionof Shredder's body without a head...

I wonder...http://miragelicensing.com/comics/archie/24/2404.jpg

I like the way you think!

It'd be even better if the Utrom in question were Ch'rell, that way it could work as a double shout-out to both Archie and the 2003 cartoon.

Utrommaniac
07-28-2016, 10:07 PM
Well...that depends on the state of decomposition in Shredder's body. Though it would be a lot of fun to see it work.

Ch'rell probably could find a way to just work machinery around it and use the bones as some kind of support.

Time for a game of "Whose corpse machine is more morbid?"
Krang's or Ch'rells?

DrSpengler
07-30-2016, 05:26 PM
Here's my full summary and review of TMNT #60 at TMNT Entity. (http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2016/07/tmnt-idw-60.html)

Nice little two-parter. It didn't progress the Pantheon story all that much, but it did catch the characters up with the what the reader knows, which is progress in a different time scale, I suppose. We've long known about the Rat King and Alopex as Kistune's sleeper agent, but now the cast knows it too. So that's something.

Excellent art and I dug that the story stayed focused on one event taking place inside Foot HQ and wasn't bouncing around between a bunch of different threads. Hope to see more scripting like that!

Leomaru
08-04-2016, 07:38 AM
I don't like how weak the turtles are compared to Splinter :tconfuse:

spookycookies
08-04-2016, 07:49 AM
I don't like how weak the turtles are compared to Splinter :tconfuse:

I think we are going to have to go with quick & dirty mind control on this one. It seems Kitsune could need time to completely implant her will into a person. She worked all night to get Leo competent and has been drip feeding Alopex for a while now so I don't think that the brain snatch and grab would effectively ensnared the turtles, hence their hearts weren't in it.

Also it isn't like Splinter took them all down in the sense that they had a full out fight. He simply took each opening to subdue them, so there is that.

Finally the greatest power the turtles have are their numbers, individually they are each pretty tough but they were not fighting as a single unit.

And there you have it, 3 handicaps that allow Splinter to drop 3 turtles without it seeming too forced.

DrSpengler
08-04-2016, 08:26 AM
Eh, I chalked it up to a "just because I taught you everything you know doesn't mean I taught you everything *I* know" sensei/pupil thing. Splinter savin' the best moves for himself.

spookycookies
08-04-2016, 08:30 AM
Eh, I chalked it up to a "just because I taught you everything you know doesn't mean I taught you everything *I* know" sensei/pupil thing. Splinter savin' the best moves for himself.

Good point, I haven't seen any of the turtles do the Vulcan nerve pinch as far as I can recall in IDW.

Utrommaniac
08-04-2016, 09:18 AM
I, for one, am unsurprised that Splinter overpowered them, especially while their minds were under control. He's their "master" for a reason.

In fact, mind control didn't seem to work with anyone this time around, except for Alopex. They all got their butts handed to them.