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ToTheNines
08-15-2016, 04:44 PM
I'd say Shredder will be finished for the season 4 finale, if not sooner. Who does the deed?

Although I never get tired of seeing Leo sever his dome piece, I think Karai deserves it the most. They haven't really spent any time with Leo building any kind of rivalry with him, and they've already fought since his Northampton recovery.

Splinter's also an option, but that would feel repetitive.

What do you guys think?

tmntfanuk
08-15-2016, 04:59 PM
Personally, I think it should be Karai. She deserves it most in the 2012 series.

But I could be biasedl :D

My second choice would be splinter, but I'm thinking Leo will make the hit.

Splinter the boss
08-15-2016, 05:21 PM
Karai deserves the final blow the most. After everything he's done, I'm certain She's just itching for it.

Powder
08-15-2016, 05:36 PM
My guess is the collective, but I really like the idea of Karai getting it.

ssjup81
08-15-2016, 06:26 PM
Collective with Karai landing the final hit. I don't think it'll be Splinter since he already nearly killed him.

IndigoErth
08-15-2016, 06:41 PM
Hmm... Team effort for much of it, but ultimately Karai. After Splinter lands the next to last (and some before that) blows first.

One final swift kick - for all that he's taken from her and her family and continues to try to and the different life she never knew - and sends him falling from somewhere to his doom.

lonewarrior20
08-15-2016, 06:53 PM
i'm goin with shredder himself because in almost every iteration his rage has almost always caused his demise or loss. i only wonder if he'll be crushed, pierced, or burned even more to a crisp that people mistake him for freddy.

ToTheNines
08-15-2016, 06:53 PM
Collective with Karai landing the final hit. I don't think it'll be Splinter since he already nearly killed him.

Yeah, we've seen them almost kill each other like 4 times now in this show. Plus Splinter did it in 1990 and IDW.

I just really hope he doesn't pull a SotO suicide. Or worse yet, Mary Sue O'Neil.

NinjaMan
08-15-2016, 07:39 PM
Makes me wonder if Tigerclaw and the rest will be killed. Can't exactly send them to prison lol.

CyberCubed
08-15-2016, 08:00 PM
Its quite possible the mutant villains could be demutated by the end of the show.

Powder
08-15-2016, 08:10 PM
Ya know, I'd like that.

IndigoErth
08-15-2016, 08:19 PM
Tiger Claw would be an interesting one to focus on for that, maybe even make an animated short. If I remember correctly, he was still a child when he was mutated, right? Unlike the others, he hasn't even a clue what his adult human self would look like and hasn't lived as a regular person for so long. Would he even want to if given the option, he's not eager for that as the rest are.

FredWolfLeonardo
08-15-2016, 08:23 PM
One thing I've always though of is Shredder getting killed by the Kraang or his own mutants. In an ending like that of Scar's death from the Lion King.

victory_angel
08-15-2016, 09:01 PM
The Hamato Clan and Shredder are a two opposing ideals.

The strength of the Turtles is through their unity with themselves and the family they have gained through everyone they come to see as honorary family and as friends and allies.

The Shredder on the other hand, sees such ties as weakness and facile. Everyone he allies with is just a tool or a weapon to be discarded once it no longer serves any purpose. And everything that Splinter has said only provides a false sense of power or purpose. Such as vengeance only causing more pain or anger being a false friend in battle.

The Shredder however, is too dangerous to live and the only way to defeat him for good is to end him. And this will be more than just the Hamato Clan defeating him...it will be the Shredder's followers turning against him as well.

shredder orokusaki
08-16-2016, 02:08 AM
No one because at the end i will kill evryone! And when the turtles thought that they had defeated like in Mirrage i came back as a mutant monster. in IDW i am also coming back soon thanks to Kitsune. They cant never realy kill me!

lonewarrior20
08-16-2016, 02:19 AM
No one because at the end i will kill evryone! And when the turtles thought that they had defeated like in Mirrage i came back as a mutant monster. in IDW i am also coming back soon thanks to Kitsune. They cant never realy kill me!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b1/89/23/b189239228dadd0d0f44541df864a79b.jpg

ToTheNines
08-16-2016, 03:10 AM
No one because at the end i will kill evryone! And when the turtles thought that they had defeated like in Mirrage i came back as a mutant monster. in IDW i am also coming back soon thanks to Kitsune. They cant never realy kill me!

You have bad grammar.

nimajneb
08-16-2016, 04:13 AM
It could be Mikey, he's the biggest joker and the most immature. But, he steps up when you least expect it.
At least don't rule him out...

srmff
08-16-2016, 04:20 AM
You have bad grammar.

Give the guy a break. He's from Japan.

neatoman
08-16-2016, 04:25 AM
ISn't it obvious?
TUhn4EZZ5ZM

ssjup81
08-16-2016, 04:28 AM
ISn't it obvious?
TUhn4EZZ5ZMWe pretend that this doesn't exist.:P

I do feel though, that Shredder doing himself in isn't too far out of the realm of possibility though, given how mentally unstable 2k12 Shredder is.

Autbot_Benz
08-16-2016, 12:20 PM
I was gonna say Machias... Wait we talking about the TV Show Shredder or that mental case who thinks he is shredder :lol::lol:

victory_angel
08-16-2016, 12:29 PM
We pretend that this doesn't exist.:P

I do feel though, that Shredder doing himself in isn't too far out of the realm of possibility though, given how mentally unstable 2k12 Shredder is.

But as you said on Heroes in a Half Cast: Keep him as far away from a dock as possible. Don't have the Super Shredder anywhere near a dock!

`NightWatcher
08-16-2016, 05:29 PM
I say Shredder himself. I believe he'll juice too much, then eventually bite it right in the middle of the battle.

ToTheNines
08-16-2016, 05:42 PM
Give the guy a break. He's from Japan.

Haha, good one bro.

I was gonna say Machias... Wait we talking about the TV Show Shredder or that mental case who thinks he is shredder :lol::lol:

They'll never ban that little shithead. His one saving grace is that he posts pretty infrequently. I dare him to ramp it up.

I say Shredder himself. I believe he'll juice too much, then eventually bite it right in the middle of the battle.

That would be so anticlimate.

FredWolfLeonardo
08-16-2016, 06:43 PM
*The Shredder falls from the rooftop of a building, after having lost his final battle with the Turtles, and having lost the trust of his mutants and Kraang after backstabbing and betraying them. He wakes up after being badly injured, being surrounded by Kraang droids.

Shredder: (A look of relief) Ah, my friends

Kraang SubPrime: Friends? I thought he said we were the enemy

Kraang Prime: Thats what I heard, Kraang?

Kraang: Kraang will exterminate the one known as Shredder. Hahaha (Look of horror on Shredder's face as a large group of Kraang turn on him)

Shredder: No, no, you don't understand, I didn't mean to betray you, No! (You can probably guess what happens next)

kelligrafie
08-17-2016, 02:50 PM
I'd love it to be someone totally unexpected like Donnie, who is usually considered the group's resident pacifist. But realistically I don't see that happening. His storylines don't seem to go beyond 'that' love triangle or inner turmoil over being unable to do something, like rebuild Fugitoid or find a cure for a virus/mutation.

GoldMutant
08-17-2016, 03:15 PM
I would like to see Splinter get one more crack at Shredder before the latter's demise myself. I mean, the score so far was Splinter 2 and Shredder 2 (even if Earth's Last Stand was reversed), I feel they should get one more battle, especially because of said episode leaving disappointment for their battle.

In terms of story, the only one I really see getting the final blow is Karai. Barring Leo, the Hamato Clan really lacks the full grudge especially with Splinter alive. With Karai suffering so much over the course of the series, it'd make sense to fully conclude her arc. Possibly, it can also have the Turtles get one last crack at Shred-head due to never defeating him at all; now with Super Shredder... :roll:

If they aren't going to do Shredder in by a hero, I honestly won't be surprised if he does himself in. It'd be stupid though if that occurs. For now, I vote Karai.

BubblyShell22
08-17-2016, 05:19 PM
I voted for Leo because I'm just biased like that. I know that there hasn't been a big rivalry with them, but it could be possible that he would do it to save everyone else.

Other options are Karai, Splinter, or all of them. Shredder doing himself in would be funny, but I don't know if they'll go there.

Splinter the boss
08-17-2016, 09:09 PM
Now that I have watched city at war, I think Shredder himself bringing his own downfall is really plausible. Seriously, he is willing to mutate himself simply because he wants to stay in power.

ToTheNines
08-18-2016, 04:21 AM
I'd love it to be someone totally unexpected like Donnie, who is usually considered the group's resident pacifist. But realistically I don't see that happening. His storylines don't seem to go beyond 'that' love triangle or inner turmoil over being unable to do something, like rebuild Fugitoid or find a cure for a virus/mutation.

Technically Don has killed him in the Mirage and 4kids series, once each. I feel like if Nick Donnie does it, it'll be in a Save April moment.

I think there's a cool story opportunity in a future version (maybe even IDW) to have Mikey being the one. It would be a cool way to cap off an arc about him going from "little brother" to a true warrior.

Powder
08-18-2016, 04:46 AM
Never thought about that before, I'm all for it!

ssjup81
08-18-2016, 05:11 AM
But as you said on Heroes in a Half Cast: Keep him as far away from a dock as possible. Don't have the Super Shredder anywhere near a dock!Yep, far far away...unless they set it up to point out how lame it would be, like in Transdimensional Turtles and how they acknowledged the silliness of the OT Turtles' fighting style when going up against Krang given the restrictions at the time.

victory_angel
08-18-2016, 12:18 PM
Technically Don has killed him in the Mirage and 4kids series, once each. I feel like if Nick Donnie does it, it'll be in a Save April moment.

And/Or his Brothers, his family also matters equally as much. After all, in the mirage the Turtles gave Shredder the choice of committing Seppuku (AKA Harakiri opening of the abdomen followed by Decapitation) so he could die with some honor as a warrior. But instead, the Shredder pulls out a grenade and says they will all die with him. And Donnie makes the split second decision to knock him off the roof.


Then again maybe Donnie could be involved in the Shredder's defeat but not be the one who lands the final blow. Donnie can make Retromutagen, and as I have pointed out that sort of paints a big red target on Donnie's shell.

The only members of the Foot Clan that we know are aware of the Retromutagen are
Stockman
Rahzar
Bebop
Rocksteady
and Karai.

Karai doesn't really count as the Retromutagen didn't work on her and while she isn't allied with the Turtles, she isn't their enemy either making her more of a loose cannon than anything else for the time being.

Yet when she was being mentally controlled by the Shredder, she did somewhat acknowledge Donatello as a threat in a way and use his affection for April against him.

Deadly Venom-Karai attacks April first and banked on April's dad taking her to the Turtles lair while she went after Casey. This way when Leo and Donnie arrived to help their brothers and Casey, Donnie's mind would be divided between saving his family and April's survival. And thus wouldn't realize they were swimming through her poison before it was too late.

Fourfold trap-Pretends to be April to draw Donnie away from his brothers so he could be captured first. (Yes this is more to him being a weaker fighter than a threat. But Donnie was still smart enough to immediately say "I need to contact the others" when she drops the obvious red flag about the Kraangs return.)

Stockman, Rahzar, Rocksteady, and Bebop have kept this knowledge to themselves for whatever reason.



So with the Shredder we have three possiblities.

1. He hates his mutation and immediately wants to be made human again as soon as possible.


Stockman we have seen starting to make himself some retromutagen in season three (But beyond that one scene there hasn't been any mention of success). But as far as we know he hasn't succeeded as April's DNA is key to the retromutagen's creation. So it is likely he may have very little to no success in creating it.

Shredder will quickly lose his patience over Stockman's failure. And that's it becomes known to the Shredder that one of the Turtles has made Retromutagen in other words knows the secret ingredient that is needed. This would lead to Donnie getting targeted to get the key from him. Donnie of course, would rather go to his grave rather than reveal that April's DNA is the key needed. So April herself chooses to admit that to save Donnie from being seriously hurt before they are given a situation where the other Turtles have to forsake April to get Donnie back to the lair or else run the risk of losing both Donnie and April.

(Leo probably knows April is involved with the Retromutagen's creation though not exactly how...unclear if Mikey or Raph know. Casey obviously doesn't)

Kinda like in the 2014 movie where Shredder tells the Turtles to drop their weapons or he will kill Splinter. They drop their weapons and he stabs Splinter anyway simply because he can.


2. Wants Stockman to have retromutagen prepared so he can return to human once Splinter, Karai, the Turtles, and their allies are all dead.

Again Stockman doesn't know the key to making Retromutagen. Leading to Shredder learning about Donnie's success at it and having Donnie watched so they can get the retromutagen from him, seriously wounding him in the process. Or they do like above, try to force Donnie or somebody to reveal that April's DNA is the key to creating the retromutagen.


3. Shredder likes his mutation and the power it has.

This would make the Retromutagen a potential weapon to be used against him. Shredder naturally would not want any possibility of anything that could return him human to exist and thus would see Donnie as something to be eliminated so that the Retromutagen can't be created ever.

ABrown
08-19-2016, 02:05 PM
I just don't see Nickelodeon killing Shredder though. I imagine that they'd more likely follow the original cartoon route and trap him in Dimension X.

shredder orokusaki
08-20-2016, 03:46 AM
They cant trap me because i live on Earth. In the original cartoon i was living in the techndrome that was i dimension x when the turtles atacked me and destroyed it but now i dont have any reason to go to dimesnion x. However i can trap the turtles there by making a trap and then teleport them to dimension x. Without oxygen they will be dead in less than a minute

Powder
08-20-2016, 04:17 AM
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ToTheNines
08-20-2016, 02:17 PM
I just don't see Nickelodeon killing Shredder though. I imagine that they'd more likely follow the original cartoon route and trap him in Dimension X.

Ciro is a Mirage fanboy. I think he'll kill him off.

They cant trap me because i live on Earth. In the original cartoon i was living in the techndrome that was i dimension x when the turtles atacked me and destroyed it but now i dont have any reason to go to dimesnion x. However i can trap the turtles there by making a trap and then teleport them to dimension x. Without oxygen they will be dead in less than a minute

You can't trap them because they live on Earth.

DarkFell
08-20-2016, 06:58 PM
I dare think that Shredder will eventually kill himself - he does has the ability to go over the deep end when revenge is an issue.

The rest of it is in spoilers due to it being long-winded opinions.
Most of the Kraang are incompetent and if any of them actually kills The Shredder, it would probably come off as a freak incident. Of course KSP could kill Saki since he's pretty psychotic most of the time.

As angry as Yoshi, Karai, and the rest of the Turtles are concerned - sure, they're all pissed off at Saki for their miseries, but I doubt that they would actually deliver the death blow to Oroku partially for the fear that if they kill The Shredder, they might come off as their most despised enemy.

As for Karai, she can emotionally wound Saki by addressing herself as Miwa. That would probably remind Oroku of the fact that he forever lost his chance with Teng Sheng to both his rival and to the death that Saki himself inflicted.

It would be rather interesting to see either Bebop or Rocksteady deal their 'master' the finishing blow (especially Rocksteady, since I still see him carrying a grudge for Saki mutating both him and Bebop into their current forms.)

miru
08-31-2016, 12:53 PM
Mutagen Man comes back to do the deed.

Splinter the boss
08-31-2016, 01:55 PM
Why would it be Mutagen Man. It's as if the character has been abandoned, forgotten. Him doing it would have a great impact on the show, and its fans.

myconius
09-04-2016, 09:52 AM
maybe they'll have Baxter Stinkman do it?

WebLurker
09-08-2016, 12:55 AM
While I think there are quite a few scenarios that could create a satisfying end for Shredder (the Turtles and their allies beating him as a team effort, Shredder causing his own death somehow), I'm going to vote that Leonardo does it:

A.) He's been linked to Shredder as a personal enemy a few times in the past.
B.) Since their both leaders of their respective sides (albeit Splinter having authority over Leo), it would be poetic.
C.) Of all the Turtles, Leo is the most devoted to the ninja way, so it would be fitting (kind of a clash between the honorable warrior and the dishonorable one).
D.) In "Spirit Quest," after passing his test with the fake Shredder, Leo said something to the effect of: "I defeated you in the spirit realm, and one day I'll defeat you in the real world."

(I don't want Splinter to do it, since it seems like the Turtles should come into their own and end the feud. Karai would be a decent choice, however, since she's a supporting character, it would feel more meaningful if the a main character -- meaning a Turtle -- "finished the game.")

Splinter the boss
09-08-2016, 02:37 PM
I agree with you on Splinter. He got Shredder real bad already, killing him wouldn't do the turtles justice.

Kingoji
11-30-2016, 04:13 AM
I think that "who" will be subjective. Several things are already in place which could pay off in a number of ways.
Shredder's own reckless use of mutagen could destroy him. He needs it to sustain himself, yet it is now in short supply. He could simply run out and his body collapse in on him.
Or Tigerclaw, who has vocally opposed Shredder's recklessness and lack of honor in the past, may decide enough is enough and either deny Shredder more mutagen or force him to O.D. on it.
Or Karai, whilst still fighting alongside the Turtles and her real father, and whom Shredder has become even more delusional about his relationship with since injecting, could reach him with her words and influence him to end himself. This could happen from rage at her 'betrayal', or from sudden lucidity as he realises what she's saying has been right all along.
Or the more standard option, Splinter and the Turtles defeat him in combat. This last once seems least likely to me, given how things are going so far.

neatoman
11-30-2016, 05:24 AM
maybe they'll have Baxter Stinkman do it?

That's something I've been thinking too, what if the mutagen was sabotaged? Why would anyone be loyal after having been transformed into a fly monster?

Meliwen
11-30-2016, 01:40 PM
I don't really want Leo to have any obvious 1v1 with Shredder if the other turtles don't also get a time to shine against him as well. Leo's the last character I want to see be solely responsible for Shredder's death. If it's a true team effort right to the very end that's fine, just not Leo alone as the last one standing.

But moreover I think there are other characters who deserve it more and who would benefit from it more from a characterization standpoint than what Leo would. Most notably Karai, and as repetitive as it may be, Splinter too.

If I were to give what I personally would like to see, I'd like Karai (or Splinter(or the turtles as a true team)) to be the one that is directly responsible for pushing Shredder to the tipping point from where he ends up killing himself (or they just deal the deathblow themselves).

TigerClaw
11-30-2016, 01:42 PM
I think everyone will be involved in Shredder's defeat, All 4 Turtles, April, Casey Jones, The Mutanimals, and then Splinter delivers the final blow.

TMNTInsighter
11-30-2016, 02:23 PM
As fitting as having either Splinter or Karai especially would be (or even Leo since he really hates the guy too & has suffered a lot at his hand), it'd be a lot more resonant if Shredder somehow made it happen himself. If a situation does not arise for a sacrificial redemption (that sort of thing has happened in stories/shows like this before), and it doesn't look like it will happen, then it'd be about time his sins finally caught up with him.

If Karai were to kill someone, then Tiger Claw would be more fitting. It doesn't look like he'll change either, so having the former second in command who had more than the 'true father' reason to get away from Shredder--an uneasy loyalty seen in episodes like "Enemy of My Enemy" for example; knock off the current second in command who has also had an uneasy loyalty towards Shredder ("The Invasion", "Return to New York" and "Annihilation: Earth II" being my biggest examples) yet still made the choice to stay would be quite resonant as well.

AlessandraDC
12-01-2016, 06:14 AM
I say a combination of Karai, Leo, and Splinter. I think their rivalry with Shredder is the strongest. Someone mentioned before that there wasn't as much rivalry between Leo and Shredder as in other verses but it's still there. Leo was key in revealing the truth to Karai and therefore taking her away from Saki. And of course there's what happened in Invasion. I think it wouldn't be as dramatic for the other characters to deal the final blow. But I could also see Shredder self destruct since that is the path he has been on.

THGhost
12-01-2016, 08:58 AM
It should be Splinter or Karai, they deserve it the most.

ToTheNines
12-22-2016, 01:02 PM
I hope this doesn't get spoiled by all this recent Korea business...

neatoman
12-22-2016, 01:17 PM
I hope this doesn't get spoiled by all this recent Korea business...

I wouldn't really care.

ssjup81
01-04-2017, 06:25 AM
*The Shredder falls from the rooftop of a building, after having lost his final battle with the Turtles, and having lost the trust of his mutants and Kraang after backstabbing and betraying them. He wakes up after being badly injured, being surrounded by Kraang droids.

Shredder: (A look of relief) Ah, my friends

Kraang SubPrime: Friends? I thought he said we were the enemy

Kraang Prime: Thats what I heard, Kraang?

Kraang: Kraang will exterminate the one known as Shredder. Hahaha (Look of horror on Shredder's face as a large group of Kraang turn on him)

Shredder: No, no, you don't understand, I didn't mean to betray you, No! (You can probably guess what happens next)How did I miss this!:lol:

So Shredder was kraanged in the kraang by the ones known as the Kraang.:P

ToTheNines
03-19-2017, 10:06 AM
Forgot to bump this thread last month...

Props to Ashwolf, BubblyShell22, mrmaczaps, ninja-zero, Panda_Kahn_fan, and WebLurker on being right. The rest of us are tools.