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Andrew NDB
09-03-2016, 10:06 PM
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/ninja-turtles-the-next-mutation-featured.jpg

Now I'm nowhere close to being at a place where this is something I can actively work on (it'd be around January, with pockets of time beforehand), but I don't see any harm in aggregating the right resources in the mean time.

The general plan:

* Pore over all of NT:TNM, find an hour and a half worth of footage, splice it together to form a complete narrative and, as such, a TMNT feature film. Write a new script to suit.
* It's a direct sequel to TMNT III.
* It will be upscaled to 1080p, formatted to widescreen.
* The color palette will be darkened and desaturated.
* All music, sound, foleying, and voicework will be completely 100% scraped out of it. All of this will be redone. Music will be largely borrowed from TMNT 1 and 2.
* I can digitally move the mouths a little better. Not a lot, but enough.
* Construct a few new sequences in CGI. Got a guy or two who can do this for me.
* Add blood, some legit violence. Basically make it a few shades darker than what we were promised with NT:TNM but a whole ocean darker than what we got. It'll still have laughs of course.

What do I need? I need voices. Can you do a Leo, Raph, Mikey, or Don or Splinter or Shredder that sounds like they did in TMNT 1-3? A Venus with a legit Chinese accent? Let's talk. Also anyone with any working knowledge of audio editing or foley... I can do these things serviceably but they don't fall under my direct specialties in film editing.

Oh, and what are we going to call it? This. And no, that's not a subtitle.

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/3278/YVq9ul.jpg

Powder
09-03-2016, 10:12 PM
I can do a mean TMNT 3 Raphael, & decent Kevin Clash styled Splinter.

snake
09-03-2016, 10:19 PM
This sounds awesome. I'm gonna test out my impressions tommorow and see if I could have anything to offer. (Probably not)

I can help with forming a story however. Would you want to create maybe a skype chat or something that the project can be worked on?

sdp
09-03-2016, 10:20 PM
I think it can be done I would need to re-watch it but I guess you can take the

East Meets west storyline and use all the other dragonlord themed episodes for footage and since there's an episode where he is basically defeated it works out as well as using the episode where Shredder "returns" to leave as a sideplot and then cliffhanger. Maybe footage could be used from other episodes/villains but outside of Dr. Quease who already has a few episodes interacting with the dragonlord it'd be hard without to making it a "too many villains" type of thing, and only Dr. Quease would be able to fit nicely as a member of the dragons crew.

I can do voices so if you need help there I could dub a character you may need, I don't think I could do any of the main characters like the turtles/shredder/splinter though.

Andrew NDB
09-04-2016, 12:22 AM
This sounds awesome. I'm gonna test out my impressions tommorow and see if I could have anything to offer. (Probably not)

I can help with forming a story however. Would you want to create maybe a skype chat or something that the project can be worked on?

We can do that.

I think it can be done I would need to re-watch it but I guess you can take the

East Meets west storyline and use all the other dragonlord themed episodes for footage and since there's an episode where he is basically defeated it works out as well as using the episode where Shredder "returns" to leave as a sideplot and then cliffhanger. Maybe footage could be used from other episodes/villains but outside of Dr. Quease who already has a few episodes interacting with the dragonlord it'd be hard without to making it a "too many villains" type of thing, and only Dr. Quease would be able to fit nicely as a member of the dragons crew.

I can do voices so if you need help there I could dub a character you may need, I don't think I could do any of the main characters like the turtles/shredder/splinter though.

Whatever shape it takes would definitely revolve around the Dragonlord entering our world and the Turtles taking him down, hard. But I definitely want to use all the Shredder/Foot footage available, but maybe flipping it around. I need to rewatch all of them again (ugh) to see what's there before anything. The basic goal is, Turtles fight Shredder (sneaking in some explanation for how he survived II), Turtles defeat Shredder, Dragonlord enters the game, Dragonlord has Turtles rattled, and Shredder does... the right thing. You can probably see where I'm going with this.

The trouble is, whatever we can write, we're more or less beholden to what was shot. Which can be cheated in many ways, but this is a complicated thing.

Andrew NDB
09-04-2016, 06:20 PM
I can do a mean TMNT 3 Raphael, & decent Kevin Clash styled Splinter.

I'd love to hear them. I know Tokka can do an uncannily perfect Splinter.

ToTheNines
09-04-2016, 06:25 PM
Not sure what your budget is gonna be, or how much he'd cost for a day, but the Banks brothers got Robbie Rist to do that Casey Jones movie a while back. That might be worth a shot.

Andrew NDB
09-04-2016, 06:29 PM
Not sure what your budget is gonna be, or how much he'd cost for a day, but the Banks brothers got Robbie Rist to do that Casey Jones movie a while back. That might be worth a shot.

I wouldn't mind asking the voice cast. The worst they can say is "no."

TheSkeletonMan939
09-04-2016, 07:32 PM
I can't do voices, but if you need any help with music editing I can offer my services.
I can PM you a few examples of what I've done in the past.

GoldMutant
09-04-2016, 07:41 PM
I can certainly help with writing parts and some jokes. :) Otherwise, shoot me a PM Andrew of a few lines for each character and I can try my hand at voice acting.

thundermaster612
09-04-2016, 07:51 PM
Ah, so you have decided to do it. Hope my opinion on it was a factor. Right now I cant tell but I'll see what I can do to help with this

CyberCubed
09-04-2016, 07:58 PM
Shredder only appears in the first two episodes, and then another episode later where he's a bum in rags and has long hair. The Foot are only in the first two eps.

Krutch
09-04-2016, 08:16 PM
Best of luck to all those involved :)

Any reason why there's no separate sub-forum for Next Mutation? It's brought up enough to warrant one, I'd think.

GoldMutant
09-04-2016, 08:23 PM
Any reason why there's no separate sub-forum for Next Mutation? It's brought up enough to warrant one, I'd think.

I think Venom brought this up to Mew a while back. If I recall, it's because of it having one season and especially the reputation. Any thread relating to it usually gets some guy popping in and saying it sucks. That's the general idea; it is in the right place though with anything relating to Turtlemania in GD though. (If anyone wants to correct me though, feel free)

I personally feel Next Mutation has concepts worth revisiting, especially the villains... and to a small degree, Venus. It may have an infamous rap to it, but it does offer something fresh. Now if only the ideas had greater execution... :ohwell:

Krutch
09-04-2016, 08:34 PM
I think Venom brought this up to Mew a while back. If I recall, it's because of it having one season and especially the reputation. Any thread relating to it usually gets some guy popping in and saying it sucks. That's the general idea; it is in the right place though with anything relating to Turtlemania in GD though. (If anyone wants to correct me though, feel free)

I get that, but wouldn't having its own section keep people from coming in just to sh*t all over it? Don't people have anything better to do with their time?

takes a look over the Platinum Dunes section

...Nevermind :roll:

I personally feel Next Mutation has concepts worth revisiting, especially the villains... and to a small degree, Venus. It may have an infamous rap to it, but it does offer something fresh. Now if only the ideas had greater execution... :ohwell:I agree. I actually liked the concepts of a lot of the villains in the show and was hoping to see a reattempt at some of them (Dragonlord, Bonesteel...) on the Nick toon since they seem to have no problem reintroducing things from various TMNT history, but other than the Venus sticker on the Shellraiser, its been dead on the NM stuff.

Anyways, wasn't trying to hijack the thread into a general NT:NM discussion. Like I said, good luck to everyone involved :)

snake
09-04-2016, 09:28 PM
What would you be using to record the voices? Any recommended platforms?

Casey
09-04-2016, 10:25 PM
I'm fairly good at voices and impressions all around, so if there is a character that you need filled, let me know and maybe I could work on the voice.

CyberCubed
09-05-2016, 12:01 AM
Honestly if he's looking for voices, he should go with people with at least some professional talent in the industry. If he can't get anyone good, then use forum members.

Andrew NDB
09-05-2016, 12:05 AM
What would you be using to record the voices? Any recommended platforms?

Pretty much any program would do, I can clean up audio noise and such. The most important thing is equipment. A good mic, a quiet room, no peaking.

pferreira
09-08-2016, 08:45 AM
Pretty much any program would do, I can clean up audio noise and such. The most important thing is equipment. A good mic, a quiet room, no peaking.I'd probably be too rubbish to do the voice but I wondered what Donatello voice are you going for? Corey Feldman or Adam Carl?

Nelson
09-22-2016, 04:04 PM
This is something I have been meaning to do by myself for many years but never got around to it. I shared my thoughts on the subject a couple of years ago on these forums, and it seems fitting that I post them here again.

We should totally do this. I have been wanting for years to create a worthwhile story using the visuals of that show; I refuse to believe that we cannot get something good out of it. I personally like the design of the suits and the fact that they reused the lair from the previous two movies.

We would definitely need to replace all audio. Write a new script (limited to the visuals we have from the show, so no TMNT vs Shredder for example)

I can help with video editing and sound effects. Also I went through the whole season (fast forwarding) a few years ago so I have an idea of what type of scenes the show has and what it doesn't. We could also get creative and add scenes from other similar-looking (read: cheap) TV shows from the time, for establishing shots and maybe human characters, etc.

One thing to get into consideration is that the script cannot be too serious or dark. Even if we replace all the audio, the turtles' actors always make these exaggerated hand and body gestures that don't lend themselves to a serious show. So we would still need some degree of cheese.

Lastly but not least important is that not all costumers are the same. Donatello seems to have the best facial expressions, while Mike is definitely the worst. So the less speaking parts for Mike there are, the better.

Splinter is even worse so it would be best to pretend he had died already by that point.

I have done some editing experiments over the years. The most recent one is the fight scene from East Meets West part 1. I replaced all the audio, adding new music and sound effects. I also removed some bits of physical comedy and the like, added some filters, etc.

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Hope this helps somewhat in managing expectations and maybe giving you ideas.
Good luck, Andrew and Co. I am very curious to see the end result of this ambitious project.

dragonside
10-01-2016, 07:10 PM
i am really looking forward to this, good luck guys!

and the linked video, pretty good. 2k3 voices ftw

ToTheNines
03-05-2017, 04:15 AM
Any progress on this Andrew?

dragonside
03-05-2017, 09:21 AM
oh great, I was actually looking for this thread.

Still need voices Andrew? If auditions are still open I'd like to submit some stuff for Leonardo.

Cheers

pferreira
03-16-2017, 11:01 AM
I came across this today. This might help Andrew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TS19X0bmqw

According to Michelle's scripts what was written on the page wasn't represented very well on screen. It might be worth contacting her if you want to do a proper re-edit.

Andrew NDB
03-16-2017, 11:14 AM
I came across this today. This might help Andrew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TS19X0bmqw

According to Michelle's scripts what was written on the page wasn't represented very well on screen. It might be worth contacting her if you want to do a proper re-edit.

I don't think that would be of any help... this wouldn't even have the same story or dialogue. Intentionally.

plastroncafe
03-16-2017, 11:21 AM
How did I miss this the first go'round?
I've experience with both audio editing and Foley.
BUT!
No experience integrating audio into video.

My recommendations for folks recording audio:

Audacity.
It's free, pretty user friendly, for a given level of user friendly.

Record in as small, and quiet a place as possible.
Have room for you and a laptop in a closet? Go there.
The less ambient noise the better.

Give at least ten minutes of silence at the beginning of your recording, this'll help to allow for noise cancelling afterwards.

pferreira
03-23-2017, 09:21 AM
I don't think that would be of any help... this wouldn't even have the same story or dialogue. Intentionally.From what Michelle says stuff was just cut out of the script. If you can get hold of the scripts it might help with the editing. Just a thought.

Powder
03-23-2017, 01:00 PM
What about "this wouldn't even have the same story or dialogue" don't you get? :tlol:

pferreira
03-30-2017, 08:41 AM
What about "this wouldn't even have the same story or dialogue" don't you get? :tlol:Well let me put it this way since you have troubling understanding: either Andrew can do his own thing and it will be his interpretation or he can get hold of scripts which will tell him what silliness was added in post-production so he can stay true to the script. Kind of obvious really mate. ;)

ToTheNines
03-30-2017, 09:13 AM
You're a clown.

Andrew NDB
03-30-2017, 09:41 AM
Well let me put it this way since you have troubling understanding: either Andrew can do his own thing and it will be his interpretation or he can get hold of scripts which will tell him what silliness was added in post-production so he can stay true to the script. Kind of obvious really mate. ;)

0 interest in those original scripts. Sorry.

pferreira
03-30-2017, 10:28 AM
You're a clown.I guess that makes you a jester? :D

0 interest in those original scripts. Sorry.Fair enough, just trying to help. :)

Powder
03-30-2017, 03:31 PM
Well let me put it this way since you have troubling understanding: either Andrew can do his own thing and it will be his interpretation or he can get hold of scripts which will tell him what silliness was added in post-production so he can stay true to the script. Kind of obvious really mate. ;)

He's made it painfully obvious he's not interested in the original script & plans to "do his own thing". There are better ways to use your Thursday internet privileges than attemtping to patronize your superiors. :)

pferreira
04-06-2017, 08:30 AM
He's made it painfully obvious he's not interested in the original script & plans to "do his own thing". There are better ways to use your Thursday internet privileges than attemtping to patronize your superiors. :)Dude seriously I'm not patronizing anyone. Just chill, I'm just trying to help. What the hell was got into you? Superiors? No need to snap at me. :o

Zachatello00
06-16-2017, 10:16 AM
Not sure how I missed this, but I would love to help! I have done voice work for local radio/tv commercials, and while I would love to try any character, I can do a pretty legit Corey Feldman Donatello.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-16-2017, 12:03 PM
Keep the theme music at least.

Krutch
08-09-2017, 09:01 AM
Keep the theme music at least.Aw dude, have you heard the crappy theme they replaced it with on Netflix? Just awful.

neatoman
08-09-2017, 12:20 PM
I don't know, they both kind of sound... Well, here's both for comparison at least.
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Not sure why they did it though, is this a copyright issue?

Andrew NDB
08-09-2017, 12:30 PM
Not sure why they did it though, is this a copyright issue?

Almost undoubtedly. Some contract that didn't give full license to the song in perpetuity OR maybe it did, but to Fox specifically and not "the brand." But I bet you no one so much as bothered to pick up the phone or send an E-mail to see if that band was willing to sign a new agreement.

pferreira
08-10-2017, 08:40 AM
Almost undoubtedly. Some contract that didn't give full license to the song in perpetuity OR maybe it did, but to Fox specifically and not "the brand." But I bet you no one so much as bothered to pick up the phone or send an E-mail to see if that band was willing to sign a new agreement.I just find it so crazy that they could lose the rights to a theme song. I've never seen that happen with a TV show before. It's not the same without the original theme song.

Krutch
08-10-2017, 09:12 AM
Dawson's Creek, The Wonder Years, & Married With Children had the same issue to some extent. Ever tried watching Dawson's Creek without "I Don't Want to Wait" chiming you in? It's... it's just wrong...

pferreira
08-17-2017, 02:46 PM
Dawson's Creek, The Wonder Years, & Married With Children had the same issue to some extent. Ever tried watching Dawson's Creek without "I Don't Want to Wait" chiming you in? It's... it's just wrong...Huh? The Wonder Years has it's theme song on the DVDs. I read that fans can be assured they got the show's theme.