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Prowler
09-17-2016, 03:39 PM
Japan's demographic challenges are well-known: It's home to the world's oldest population and has a shrinking birthrate and an astonishing number of single people. And it seems that, despite government efforts to incentivize marriage and child-rearing, things aren't quite trending in the right direction.

According to the Japan Times, a new survey of Japanese people ages 18 to 34 found that 70 percent of unmarried men and 60 percent of unmarried women are not in a relationship. It gets worse: Around 42 percent of men and 44.2 percent of women admitted that they were virgins.

The study is carried out by Japan's National Institute of Population and Social Security Research every five years. The organization has noted a marked trend since its first foray on questions of relationships and sex in 1987, when it found that 48.6 percent of men and 39.5 percent of women surveyed were unmarried. In 2010, 36.2 percent of men and 38.7 percent of women in the 18-34 age bracket said they were virgins. The number of children among couples who have been married for between 15 and 19 years averaged a record low this year.

The Japanese government under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has said it wants to raise the nation's fertility rate from 1.4 to 1.8 by 2025. It's offering better child-care services and tax incentives for married couples, though such programs have yet to bear statistical fruit.

Most people surveyed said they want to get married at some point. It's just not clear when.

"They want to tie the knot eventually. But they tend to put it off as they have gaps between their ideals and the reality," Futoshi Ishii, head researcher for the study, told Japan Times. "That’s why people marry later or stay single for life, contributing to the nation’s low birthrate."

This is not unique to Japan — in various parts of the developed world, economic uncertainty is reshaping the way millennials and other young people conceive of their sex lives and marital choices. But it's particularly pronounced in the Asian nation, where experts and government officials have spent the better part of a decade fretting over the country's population decline and, as WorldViews once put it, "sexual apathy."

A booming industry surrounds Japan's growing condition of loneliness, a phenomenon at once quite particular to the Japanese, yet also a glimpse into a future where many people live atomized lives mediated exclusively through personal technology.

There was one clearly positive indicator in the survey: For the first time, the proportion of women returning to work after having their first child in Japan's once notoriously patriarchal society exceeded 50 percent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/09/16/japan-has-a-worrying-number-of-virgins-government-finds/

No wonder the birthrates in Japan are so low...

We often read/hear about more and more people feeling lonely these days, but Japan seems to have a quite extreme case of single people.

Thoughts?

TheSkeletonMan939
09-17-2016, 03:48 PM
Are all Japanese people today like SAL 9000, who married a video game character?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/12/16/japan.virtual.wedding/index.html

CyberCubed
09-17-2016, 03:49 PM
Its because they all have anime waifu's. And i'm not joking.

Prowler
09-17-2016, 03:53 PM
Its because they all have anime waifu's. And i'm not joking.
Well, this certainly explains all the weird hentai and porn they make to some degree. It also dispells the myth that Japanese are huge perverts.

Powder
09-17-2016, 03:54 PM
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/076/035/460.gif

Prowler
09-17-2016, 03:55 PM
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/076/035/460.gif
...we kinda are. Can't argue with that.

ToTheNines
09-17-2016, 04:06 PM
****in statists. Mind your own business, Big Brother.

Prowler
09-17-2016, 04:07 PM
****in statists. Mind your own business, Big Brother.
True, but Japan has a birthrate problem and if people remain virgins there that problem ain't gonna get fixed, man. It's not like they're gonna force people to have sex :lol:

sdp
09-17-2016, 04:27 PM
The drome isn't far behind.

Prowler
09-17-2016, 04:29 PM
The drome isn't far behind.
Dunno man, this community seems quite normal compared to most internet ones out there. At least, as far as the most active users go, I seriously doubt most or even 50% of them are virgins.

plastroncafe
09-17-2016, 05:10 PM
Well, this certainly explains all the weird hentai and porn they make to some degree. It also dispells the myth that Japanese are huge perverts.

That all depends on how you define pervert.

Prowler
09-17-2016, 05:18 PM
That all depends on how you define pervert.
Lot's of people think Anime, hentai and Japanese porn in general are accurate representations of the country. The chikan phenomenon is also infamous, which ends up painting Japanese men in a bad light. Obviously most Japanese men aren't like that, but you know how stereotypes work.

Anyway, nothing wrong with being a virgin. We've all(well, not all of us) been virgins at some point or another and that didn't kill us. If anything, this might be an underlying cause of something bigger. Like malfunctioning society or a society full of people with not so great social skills, but I guess that depends on the individual. Each case is a case, as they say.

Utrommaniac
09-17-2016, 05:29 PM
There's a big combination of issues. Firstly the influx of porn everyone has already mentioned. Then that Japan is ironically conservative. And then that it's already expensive enough for a single person to live - hence giving benefits to people getting married.

On the other hand, Japan has some of the proportional lowest infant mortality rates in the world, so that's something else to look at.

plastroncafe
09-17-2016, 05:30 PM
Ah, I thought you were implying that because people were reporting little to no partnered sexual activity, that they couldn't possibly be perverts.

Which is just something I don't believe is the case.

I'm curious to know what the government study considered "sex" to calculate what constitutes virginity.

Also the overall culture's view of sex before marriage. If it's strongly culturally enforced that people don't hook up before wedding up, then that could also account for the declining birth rate.

Prowler
09-17-2016, 05:36 PM
Ah, I thought you were implying that because people were reporting little to no partnered sexual activity, that they couldn't possibly be perverts.

Which is just something I don't believe is the case.

I'm curious to know what the government study considered "sex" to calculate what constitutes virginity.

Also the overall culture's view of sex before marriage. If it's strongly culturally enforced that people don't hook up before wedding up, then that could also account for the declining birth rate.
Considering Japan is not a Christian or Muslim nation doubt they have an issue with that. In fact, Japan is hard to defend religiously speaking. In Japan both Shintoism and Buddhism co-exist peacefully and many people perform rituals from both religions throughout their lives.

I remember reading a survey by Durex, the condom company, about how often people had sex in several countries and how many partners men and women in each country reported to have... Japan was pretty much dead last. I cant' remember the exact numbers but Japanese men and women reported having the lowest amount of sex partners throughout their whole lives and apparently Japanese couples had sex less than 100 times per year. It's said that sex disappears quickly after two Japanese people get married and have kids, but I'm not sure if that's a general "rule" or not.

snake
09-17-2016, 05:37 PM
It's all that 2d over there. They've realized that 3d women just can't compare.

plastroncafe
09-17-2016, 05:51 PM
Considering Japan is not a Christian or Muslim nation doubt they have an issue with that. In fact, Japan is hard to defend religiously speaking. In Japan both Shintoism and Buddhism co-exist peacefully and many people perform rituals from both religions throughout their lives.

I remember reading a survey by Durex, the condom company, about how often people had sex in several countries and how many partners men and women in each country reported to have... Japan was pretty much dead last. I cant' remember the exact numbers but Japanese men and women reported having the lowest amount of sex partners throughout their whole lives and apparently Japanese couples had sex less than 100 times per year. It's said that sex disappears quickly after two Japanese people get married and have kids, but I'm not sure if that's a general "rule" or not.

I don't think Abrahamic Religious sects have a patent on paternity certainty, or it's cultural enforcement.

Prowler
09-17-2016, 06:01 PM
I don't think Abrahamic Religious sects have a patent on paternity certainty, or it's cultural enforcement.
Regardless, I've never heard about pre-marital sex being a taboo in Japan. And if it ever was it must have been some decades ago already

MsMarvelDuckie
09-18-2016, 11:11 AM
Considering Japan also has a healthy business of "love therapy" and romantic themed hotels(many of which charge by the hour) I'm fairly certain that the tabboo doesn't really exist there as we know it. Japan has a history as a highly sexualzed country- they're just very quiet about it. It isn't stigmatized- but it isn't talked about either.

Ninjinister
09-18-2016, 11:50 AM
Sex is stupid anyway.

Effin' test tube that s**t if you want to bring up the population.

oldmanwinters
09-18-2016, 12:04 PM
"Like an anime fan on prom night?"

Powder
09-18-2016, 02:13 PM
Sex is stupid anyway.

Effin' test tube that s**t if you want to bring up the population.

http://67.media.tumblr.com/3e1486ddb360c4b4ecfaec58c66add70/tumblr_inline_o4ts2e1KWn1skta4k_400.png

ssjup81
09-18-2016, 05:42 PM
My opinion on this, is that people here don't want to deal with having relationships or the hassles that may come with it. Some people have had a relationship, but had a bad break up, and just don't want to bother trying again.

There are also guys who don't want to make an effort to be in a relationship.

Bottom line, too much drama. Another issue here, that we in the US, for instance, already have dealt with (and still dealing with) is the job thing. You know how you can get a job and stay with that company for life, right? Well, the current generation is having that problem now. Some guys feel intimidated because of this, seemingly. No good job, no woman will want them.

As for women...more are becoming career focused. There's still the issue of pregnancy harassment here in the workplace (being shamed for getting pregnant and not putting your work first....and yes, there are cases of this and one woman in particular took her company to court for causing her to miscarry). Generally, women who do marry and eventually become pregnant, quit their jobs since juggling work and kids is a bit difficult, especially when you can't get any adequate childcare due to kindergarten and nursery school waiting lists. Women who want to focus on careers, put relationships and family on the back burner and that's happening more and more lately. The majority of part time and temp jobs are held by women here, sadly.

So yeah, I think it's a combination of things causing people to abstain...not the manga and anime stuff, although there are some with unrealistic expectations and want their girlfriends or wives to be like AKB members or whatever that nonsense is. Yes, I hate the AKB idol stuff here.

Edit: Just remembered something from about a year ago...

SSozUMIQTQ0

This exhibits some of the problems women have in Japan and, as mentioned, why some are veering away from relationships and stuff.

thundermaster612
09-18-2016, 05:47 PM
I swear one way or another this thread is gonna get locked and disintegrated.

ssjup81
09-18-2016, 05:54 PM
I remember reading a survey by Durex, the condom company, about how often people had sex in several countries and how many partners men and women in each country reported to have... Japan was pretty much dead last. I cant' remember the exact numbers but Japanese men and women reported having the lowest amount of sex partners throughout their whole lives and apparently Japanese couples had sex less than 100 times per year. It's said that sex disappears quickly after two Japanese people get married and have kids, but I'm not sure if that's a general "rule" or not.It's probably difficult for the couples to have sex in general when it's customary for the kids to share the room with their parents. Parents sleep with their kids in the room when very young. The walls are also thin, hence why they have "Love Hotels" in this country. I can't help but wonder how people manage to have more than one kid. lol

Utrommaniac
09-18-2016, 08:26 PM
It's probably difficult for the couples to have sex in general when it's customary for the kids to share the room with their parents. Parents sleep with their kids in the room when very young. The walls are also thin, hence why they have "Love Hotels" in this country. I can't help but wonder how people manage to have more than one kid. lol
Interestingly, that's possibly part of why their infant death rate is so low.

And besides, people have been figuring out how to have sex while co-sleeping for centuries. We've just come out of line with it in the past century or so. You don't need a bed to have sex, and they probably take care of it by dropping the kid with a friend or grandparent. My brothers and I slept with my parents as babies. There's a way.

ssjup81
09-18-2016, 08:33 PM
Interestingly, that's possibly part of why their infant death rate is so low.

And besides, people have been figuring out how to have sex while co-sleeping for centuries. We've just come out of line with it in the past century or so. You don't need a bed to have sex, and they probably take care of it by dropping the kid with a friend or grandparent. My brothers and I slept with my parents as babies. There's a way.I was thinking along the lines of privacy. They don't even have locks on the doors inside of a house, outside of probably the toilet or washroom. Bedroom doors don't generally have them.

Utrommaniac
09-18-2016, 08:40 PM
Well, that's why you let someone else watch over the kid for an hour or so. Grandparents, friend, neighbor. Or the TV.

plastroncafe
09-18-2016, 08:47 PM
Interestingly, that's possibly part of why their infant death rate is so low.

And besides, people have been figuring out how to have sex while co-sleeping for centuries. We've just come out of line with it in the past century or so. You don't need a bed to have sex, and they probably take care of it by dropping the kid with a friend or grandparent. My brothers and I slept with my parents as babies. There's a way.

Yeah...everyone having their own sleeping space is something that's relatively new, all things considered. People have been having sex with family in the room for as long as there's been humans.

ssjup81
09-18-2016, 08:47 PM
Well, that's why you let someone else watch over the kid for an hour or so. Grandparents, friend, neighbor. Or the TV.Babysitters aren't much of a thing either here and, like I said, walls are thin. That's why Love Hotels are so prosperous. You know, years ago, Nintendo even tried to have a chain of Love Hotels, iirc. Didn't work out for the company. lol

Prowler
09-19-2016, 01:27 AM
Interestingly, that's possibly part of why their infant death rate is so low.

And besides, people have been figuring out how to have sex while co-sleeping for centuries. We've just come out of line with it in the past century or so. You don't need a bed to have sex, and they probably take care of it by dropping the kid with a friend or grandparent. My brothers and I slept with my parents as babies. There's a way.
I dont' think their infant death rate is related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

Northern European countries have even lower ones. And since they have low population, it'd be easier for their percentages to go up. So clearly very few babies and litte kids die in Scandinavia.

It's most likely related to good medical technology.

Babysitters aren't much of a thing either here and, like I said, walls are thin. That's why Love Hotels are so prosperous. You know, years ago, Nintendo even tried to have a chain of Love Hotels, iirc. Didn't work out for the company. lol
I'd never leave a kid of mine with a babysitter.

Utrommaniac
09-19-2016, 01:31 AM
In Finland, babies sleep in cardboard boxes that were "starter packs" from hosptials - and near their parents. Ever since that was implemented in the 1930's, their infant mortality rates plummeted and are now extremely low.
Though, medical care would contribute quite a lot.

There's a lot of contributing factors, but at the very least, staying in the same room as the parents is one of them.

But that's not what we're talking about here.

Prowler
09-19-2016, 01:35 AM
My opinion on this, is that people here don't want to deal with having relationships or the hassles that may come with it. Some people have had a relationship, but had a bad break up, and just don't want to bother trying again.

There are also guys who don't want to make an effort to be in a relationship.

Bottom line, too much drama. Another issue here, that we in the US, for instance, already have dealt with (and still dealing with) is the job thing. You know how you can get a job and stay with that company for life, right? Well, the current generation is having that problem now. Some guys feel intimidated because of this, seemingly. No good job, no woman will want them.

As for women...more are becoming career focused. There's still the issue of pregnancy harassment here in the workplace (being shamed for getting pregnant and not putting your work first....and yes, there are cases of this and one woman in particular took her company to court for causing her to miscarry). Generally, women who do marry and eventually become pregnant, quit their jobs since juggling work and kids is a bit difficult, especially when you can't get any adequate childcare due to kindergarten and nursery school waiting lists. Women who want to focus on careers, put relationships and family on the back burner and that's happening more and more lately. The majority of part time and temp jobs are held by women here, sadly.

So yeah, I think it's a combination of things causing people to abstain...not the manga and anime stuff, although there are some with unrealistic expectations and want their girlfriends or wives to be like AKB members or whatever that nonsense is. Yes, I hate the AKB idol stuff here.

Edit: Just remembered something from about a year ago...

SSozUMIQTQ0

This exhibits some of the problems women have in Japan and, as mentioned, why some are veering away from relationships and stuff.
Yeah it's basically rapid society changes. As far as I know, South Korea's birthrate went down a lot in the past decade as well.

Rapid industrialisation usually has a big correlation with people marrying and having kids later.

People with overtly high standards are a thing in every country, so I doubt Japan is unique in that regard.

ssjup81
09-19-2016, 02:54 PM
Hey, I just thought of something else that may (or may not) be a reason why folks aren't having kids (aside from women wanting to hold out on starting families or lack of money to raise kids)...no painkillers during childbirth. lol I forgot that a lot of hospitals don't offer epidurals. Only some hospitals/birthing areas use it. You must research which ones actually do it.

I do have an old coworker who told me that she made sure she wouldn't get pregnant again so she wouldn't have to go through that excruciating pain again. She said, "I wish we used painkillers, like you do in the US."

Utrommaniac
09-19-2016, 03:27 PM
Trouble is they've started to go a little out of control with it here, passing them out like candy to the point that it's part of the reason why many unnecessary c-sections happen - and also probably connecting back to that infant mortality rate that I mentioned earlier. That was a big reason why my brothers and I were born at home, my mother was terrified of getting an unnecessary c-section and losing her autonomy. It's the reason why doctors in many parts of Europe are recommending low-risk pregnancies stay home with a midwife - Britain being the main one I've seen. (Considering they have an entire television program about midwives attending homebirths 75% of the time, that is no surprise).

Of course, there are those that really would benefit from pain-killers, as with the case your co-worker experienced, but there's likely justified concern for patients and doctors to go overboard with it. There are doctors in the US who refuse to see patients with birth plans and intents for drug-free births. Seems like Japan is going in the opposite direction.

I'm starting to look really crunchy :ohwell:

plastroncafe
09-19-2016, 03:47 PM
I think a lot of people forget that c-sections are major abdominal surgery, and instead prefer to focus on how it's a much more "efficient" birth option. Efficient in that you know exactly how long everything is going to take, and there are far fewer variables to consider.

From the doctor's point of you, fewer variables means fewer chances for things to go wrong, and fewer risks to one's license.

Utrommaniac
09-19-2016, 04:44 PM
Which is why the US has such a massive number of C-sections compared to the rest of the world, with most of them being deemed "unnecessary". And things can still go wrong, such as complications following the operation.

But again, not really the topic of discussion here.

Coola Yagami
09-19-2016, 04:51 PM
I always considered it like Japan has such a strong study and work ethic. No time for sex, gotta ace those exams and get into the best college ever. No time for sex, time to work on new technology that will shape the future of the world.

ssjup81
09-20-2016, 02:08 AM
Personally, I think most would avoid a C-section if possible. I only know two people who’ve had one. My mother and one of her younger sisters.

Since this is irrelevant I'll use the spoiler tag. I don’t remember why my aunt had one (I do remember there being some kind of a complication…I was just 12 at the time and I think my cousin’s size was an issue too), but for my mother, it was understandable. She said that she went to the doctor for a routine check up and the doctor ended up inducing labor on her. Luckily, my aunt (ironically, the one that I just mentioned earlier) was with her. She was a university student at the time. My mother said they tried a normal birth, but she just wasn’t dilating enough for it since the labor was induced. She said it was terrible. It’s not like the labor gradually built up. She said the contraction pain went from 0 to 11 in a matter of moments. Her blood pressure was also dangerously spiking and was worried she’d end up having a stroke. They had to do a C-section. I was ready to come out, but her body wasn’t ready for it. I was born in the early part of the month as opposed to the later part due to the induced labor. Unfortunately, she did become sick after the procedure with a high fever and had to stay in the hospital longer than usual. My mother said she was in the hospital for so long, that the nurses used to use me for the classes to show couples how to bathe babies, change diapers, etc..

Anyway, to my understanding, the reason why epidurals and stuff aren’t done is because it is believed that the bond between the mother and the baby strengthens during the laboring process. It’s supposed to provide a positive image showing that the woman is strong (you're also supposed to remain quiet during the pain). They also view C-sections negatively here, as it symbolizes weakness in the woman, apparently.

Sucks though, that for those that do want to use painkillers or have epidurals, you have to plan in advanced to stay at one of the private, expensive hospitals that provides that service.

Oh and another reason why I think the birth mortality rate is low here is due to the fact that women stay in the hospital for 7 – 10 days. I was so surprised when I was told this from another coworker (his wife had just given birth). He was surprised when I told him how stateside, some go home after like two or three days.

Prowler
09-20-2016, 02:18 AM
Tbh, it wouldn't surprise me much if other developed countries also had high adult virgin rates. I mean, not in the 30% area, but there's probably more 20-30 year old virgins out there than people think there are.

People are getting married later and also spend more and more time playing video games and on the internet. That can lead to people isolating themselves. In every forum nowadays you'll see some male users complaining of never being able to get laid and things like that.

It's kinda funny the way we view sex. On one hand it's this "rite of passage" everyone is supposed to do at some point in their lives, but on the other hand it's also this taboo subject you're not supposed to talk about in a very open manner.

Wildcat
09-20-2016, 02:26 AM
It's teh VR porn and those realistic love dolls I tell ya :lol:

Ok but seriously I just find it funny they even care this much. Like why do they consider this a problem?

ssjup81
09-20-2016, 02:34 AM
It's teh VR porn and those realistic love dolls I tell ya :lol:

Ok but seriously I just find it funny they even care this much. Like why do they consider this a problem?Because of the aging population. When they retire, who replaces them? I think that's what the government is worried about.

I also feel sorry for the young people paying into the National Health Insurance plan. The old people are benefitting from it due to how littles they have to pay and how much is covered.

Wildcat
09-20-2016, 02:46 AM
Because of the aging population. When they retire, who replaces them? I think that's what the government is worried about.

I also feel sorry for the young people paying into the National Health Insurance plan. The old people are benefitting from it due to how littles they have to pay and how much is covered.Well it's not like we're gonna run out of humans. I don't know it's just a funny thing to be concerned about...we need people to have sex!

ssjup81
09-20-2016, 03:28 AM
Well it's not like we're gonna run out of humans. I don't know it's just a funny thing to be concerned about...we need people to have sex!Maybe Japan should lighten up on immigration policies to get more workers if they're that worried.

MsMarvelDuckie
09-21-2016, 02:27 PM
All the talk of C-sections reminded me of mine. By happy coincidence, today is the 9th anniversary of the day I had mine. (That means it is the duckling's b-day today FTR.) In my case, it was something I planned on early, since I was born that way myself. My own mom was in labor for an excruciating 26 hours, and ended up needing one because I wasn't coming out and they feared I would suffocate on my own er, poop. So they did a cut and sew job.

Cut to- 30 years later, and I told my OB-GYN that I would probably need one for much the same reason- hips not wide enough to pass that lil watermelon. She of course assured me it would not be neccessary, but I knew better. Sure enough when the day finally arrived(self-induced, I might add- she was wrong about a LOT of things, including both the conception and due dates) lo and behold, the lil one's head got stuck on my pelvis- much the same way mine did on mom's!! Six hours in, and both our heartrates were low-or so they told me- so they had little choice. Oddly enough, I never felt more than a bit of pressure, and that was before the TWO epidurals. (Apparently one wasn't enough.) After that I felt absolutely nothing. Literally. My body from chest down was so numb that touching or even hitting my own legs and torso felt like I was touching an inanimate object, because my body felt nothing at all. Weird experience. Like not having a body at all below a certain point.

Needless to say, the OB did not stick around for the "I told you so"s, and just before they took me back for the op, I had to threaten going over her head to force her to do the tubal ligation that I had signed papers for eight months earlier on my secind visit to her office. She had been trying to dissuade me from getting it the entire pregnancy, and then "conveniently" lost the paperwork before the procedure. Hated that woman. But it seems that some doctors lean too far in the OPPOSITE direction of not wanting to do C-sections at all. Or anything else the woman asks for.

Zak The Neutrino
09-22-2016, 09:46 AM
I read an article recently that America is heading in this direction with millennials as well. The high divorce rate and broken family court system is one of the things scaring them off. They don't want to have a kid with someone and end up paying half their paycheck to them while they live in a shack and have no money.

Utrommaniac
09-22-2016, 10:39 AM
And that Ducky, is a pretty good example of a necessary c-section.

That's actually a good chunk of why I'd rather be a single parent from the get-go, and why I've chosen a job where I'd have a prospect of working from home.

Andrew NDB
09-22-2016, 10:51 AM
I'm very pro C-section. But for selfish reasons.

Powder
09-22-2016, 03:22 PM
I like to sit in the C-Section at concerts, an up close & personal view of the performers without the neck pain of the A-Section.

CyberCubed
09-25-2016, 07:14 PM
I read an article recently that America is heading in this direction with millennials as well. The high divorce rate and broken family court system is one of the things scaring them off. They don't want to have a kid with someone and end up paying half their paycheck to them while they live in a shack and have no money.

Many millennials are flat out choosing not to have kids, period. Even straight married couples.

For some reason I always seem females say this in real life and online. They're straight and married, but they don't want to have any kids. I guess the time of traditional families are over. Let alone all the gay/lesbian couples who can't produce kids of their own so they adopt, but that's not contributing to the birth rate since those kids already existed with previous parents.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
09-25-2016, 07:23 PM
Many millennials are flat out choosing not to have kids, period. Even straight married couples.

For some reason I always seem females say this in real life and online. They're straight and married, but they don't want to have any kids. I guess the time of traditional families are over. Let alone all the gay/lesbian couples who can't produce kids of their own so they adopt, but that's not contributing to the birth rate since those kids already existed with previous parents.

Let's see YOU push a screaming crying infant through your hips sometime.

TheSkeletonMan939
09-25-2016, 07:40 PM
A 'Cubed baby would be gross.

Powder
09-25-2016, 07:48 PM
A 'Cubed baby would be gross.

http://i63.tinypic.com/qyecyw.jpg

TheSkeletonMan939
09-25-2016, 07:53 PM
I was thinking more like this

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/b/b6/Clint_Howard_als_erwachsener_Balok_(Parodien_und_A nspielungen_auf_Star_Trek).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100901180648&path-prefix=de

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
09-25-2016, 07:54 PM
This thread is now proceeding exactly as I had hoped. Nay, it has surpassed my optimistic expectations. :tlol:

Powder
09-25-2016, 07:58 PM
I was thinking more like this

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/b/b6/Clint_Howard_als_erwachsener_Balok_(Parodien_und_A nspielungen_auf_Star_Trek).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100901180648&path-prefix=de

But mine is Cubed! Literally! Square head with rounded edges! It was a pun! A pun, Bobby!

Utrommaniac
09-25-2016, 07:59 PM
Many millennials are flat out choosing not to have kids, period. Even straight married couples.

For some reason I always seem females say this in real life and online. They're straight and married, but they don't want to have any kids. I guess the time of traditional families are over. Let alone all the gay/lesbian couples who can't produce kids of their own so they adopt, but that's not contributing to the birth rate since those kids already existed with previous parents.

For some reason, they all seem to have a "why wake up at 6 am to feed your loud sticky brats waffles when you could wake up at 1 pm?" mentality from my experience. Mostly on tumblr. Oh, the numbers of logical fallacies that creates :-? .
(I for one would much rather be taking care of my children at 6 am than waking up at 1 pm. I may hate waking up at 6 am, but I hate waking up at 1 pm even more)

TheSkeletonMan939
09-25-2016, 08:37 PM
It was a pun! A pun, Bobby!

Oh! I guess I'm just a bonehead.
Get it??? :trazz:

snake
09-25-2016, 08:46 PM
A cubed baby would look like the f*cking thing from Eraserhead

ssjup81
09-25-2016, 09:24 PM
Many millennials are flat out choosing not to have kids, period. Even straight married couples.

For some reason I always seem females say this in real life and online. They're straight and married, but they don't want to have any kids. I guess the time of traditional families are over. Let alone all the gay/lesbian couples who can't produce kids of their own so they adopt, but that's not contributing to the birth rate since those kids already existed with previous parents.People probably don't want them because it's expensive to have kids. Also, the lack of job security is probably another factor these days.

Tartaruhga Muhtante
12-31-2016, 07:10 AM
If this news is true, it just shows what happens when a society closes within racial and patriarchal patterns. Vi algunms videos of people who live there that in Japan the couples are very close during the courtship, but that changes after marriage and even more so when the first the first son after that couples come to sleep in beds and even in separate rooms and do not even have sex, and that promiscuity is very common over there , which is not surprising. The couple just back to approach after the kids are great. Another problem is that women do not enjoy prestige. The Japanese are patriarchal (despite their powerful heroines with animés) and that's not a secret.

Tartaruhga Muhtante
12-31-2016, 07:14 AM
Sooner or later, it's only a matter of time, Japan will have to come out of their comfort zones and start opening for both the foreign customs entry (and averse to their ancient traditions) as to the basic rights of women. Is that or the nation will go into financial and demographic collapse.

Tartaruhga Muhtante
12-31-2016, 07:28 AM
On the issue of children versus this is a financial situation very typical here in Brazil. I live with my wife for almost 10 years and have no children (only a couple of dogs and two females rabbits, that's cause enough concern for its maintenance). In Brazil, it's been a long time, there is no positive expectations about the future. Unless you are born into a family with financial condition very well established you will hardly be able to study what they would like to study. Will have to keep jumping from one job to the other due to low school knowledge, or you're going to have to impose many and heavy restrictions to attend something you give financial return in short period of time. This worsens even more when you have kids. My wife and I, from time to time, are questioned about "why not having children" or "why don't you want to have children". This sucks, I must say, there is a very strong social Convention that the couple is obliged to follow the commandment "be fruitful and multiply". If you do not follow this commandment is because there is something wrong or you're seen as a selfish to only think about yourself. My wife and I have had several dreams of being able to travel, see other parts of the world, study what we have ease, among others. Unfortunately, a son "completely disrupts this watch" so we take every precaution to prevent a pregnancy. If that's selfish, or individualism, well ... we can live with that.

Tartaruhga Muhtante
12-31-2016, 07:40 AM
And that's not something pertinent only to Brazil, believe that anywhere in the world the concern of having kids when you don't have stable financial situation is something troubling. People stop having kids so it ends up being quite natural. Since I left my parents ' House and started working I've had varied jobs, from call centers to automotive factories, today I'm a civil servant, and my wife is a seller. Have job stability, but my gain is still very low. I don't mean to be a civil servant forever because administrative work is not something that makes me happy, but "it has to today". Not that I wanted to have children, but it is not a priority for us. Come people "collect" as follows "but don't you think it is already passing of time to have children?" I heard that a fellow unemployed, which was doing security course (or guard, watch, I don't know how you call it) along with me (I was unemployed at the time). I answered somewhat gruff, but at that moment I couldn't help but express some righteous indignation, and said "before another ass to **** I need to have means to clean my ass". And he ended up having to agree with me.

Prowler
12-31-2016, 08:21 AM
...how many drinks did you have before making those posts? Serious question.

wvfan
12-31-2016, 08:20 PM
Wow

Thats hard to believe. When the have vending machines that sell used womens panties and the have brothels where you order women off a menu like food.

Not to mention the pop culture seems geared to sex with magna and other adult themed cartoons statues and action figures.

ssjup81
12-31-2016, 08:48 PM
Wow

Thats hard to believe. When the have vending machines that sell used womens panties and the have brothels where you order women off a menu like food.

Not to mention the pop culture seems geared to sex with magna and other adult themed cartoons statues and action figures.I've never seen a used panties machine. I'm going to assume it's not as common as people make them out to be.

Brothels aren't really legal, but they do have host/hostess clubs. You're pretty much paying for their company. They'll serve you drinks, listen to you, etc. It's also pretty expensive.

Tartaruhga Muhtante
01-01-2017, 05:20 AM
Disregarding the pathological aspects of sexuality in Japan, they have more than reason to worry about the fall of the human contingent. With the traditional isolationism they cultivate their nation runs the risk of inevitable collapse, not to mention the issues involving China and North Korea, the tsunamis and the traditional Godzilla attacks, ho, ho.


P.S: Sorry for my bad English. I imagine that should cause confusion the way I write.

Prowler
01-01-2017, 07:55 AM
Wow

Thats hard to believe. When the have vending machines that sell used womens panties and the have brothels where you order women off a menu like food.

Not to mention the pop culture seems geared to sex with magna and other adult themed cartoons statues and action figures.

That seems ot be ab it of a myth. The used panties thing, I mean.

I've never seen a used panties machine. I'm going to assume it's not as common as people make them out to be.

Brothels aren't really legal, but they do have host/hostess clubs. You're pretty much paying for their company. They'll serve you drinks, listen to you, etc. It's also pretty expensive.
They probably exploit a loophole in the law by stating they only get paid to drink and chat with customers and that sex with them wasn't included in the fee but because they happened to get attracted to each other under the affect of the booze or something, I'm guessing.

ssjup81
01-01-2017, 09:02 AM
They probably exploit a loophole in the law by stating they only get paid to drink and chat with customers and that sex with them wasn't included in the fee but because they happened to get attracted to each other under the affect of the booze or something, I'm guessing.Kinda doubt it...that's what "Soaplands" is for. :-P...but I guess it's not improbable.

Anyway, these clubs are like expensive restaurants. The guys who go to hostess bars/clubs are usually there to have someone listen to them, pour drinks for them, maybe sing for them, light their cigarettes, tell them what they want to hear, etc. There's also the "no touching" policy. The guys aren't allowed to touch the women in any way and I heard they were strict about that. Now that I think about it, it sounds like an expensive maid cafe, just with "modern" geisha (drink pouring, cigarette lighting).

Not sure if host clubs have the same rules.

I think the ones that don't follow the rules mentioned are probably in sleazier areas, like Roppongi.

Prowler
01-01-2017, 11:42 AM
Kinda doubt it...that's what "Soaplands" is for. :-P...but I guess it's not improbable.

Anyway, these clubs are like expensive restaurants. The guys who go to hostess bars/clubs are usually there to have someone listen to them, pour drinks for them, maybe sing for them, light their cigarettes, tell them what they want to hear, etc. There's also the "no touching" policy. The guys aren't allowed to touch the women in any way and I heard they were strict about that. Now that I think about it, it sounds like an expensive maid cafe, just with "modern" geisha (drink pouring, cigarette lighting).

Not sure if host clubs have the same rules.

I think the ones that don't follow the rules mentioned are probably in sleazier areas, like Roppongi.
I don't see the point to fork large sums of cash just to have a woman to talk to you, sing to you and pour your drink. You'd have to be a real "forever alone" at age of 50 or so to pay for that. I mean, at least escorts/prostitutes give you sex, but just paying to socialise?!

plastroncafe
01-01-2017, 11:55 AM
The point is intimacy, and the importance of it.
Host clubs are providing the service of an often overlooked level of intimacy.

ssjup81
01-01-2017, 12:34 PM
I don't see the point to fork large sums of cash just to have a woman to talk to you, sing to you and pour your drink. You'd have to be a real "forever alone" at age of 50 or so to pay for that. I mean, at least escorts/prostitutes give you sex, but just paying to socialise?!Yeah, it's to socialize. A pretty woman to talk to. Of course there are places that find loopholes (Soapland establishments or places in sleazier areas or a red light district), but generally it's a place for guys to feel worshipped, I feel. Let's say they have a very stressful life...maybe businessmen will go there to unwind. Oh and by singing, I meant karaoke, as it's a very popular pastime here. Maybe he'll sing along. Who knows.

I think the main expense is the alcohol because it's high grade and it probably adds up.

Being a hostess is still a dangerous job, though. The guys could get too drunk and rowdy or whatever.

Edit: I find this pretty bothersome...

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The point is intimacy, and the importance of it.
Host clubs are providing the service of an often overlooked level of intimacy.Yeah, I think it's pretty much this.

That reminds me of that Boondocks ep from god-awful season 4. Robert became pretty much a giggalo and was hoping to get laid, but what the women wanted was companionship and someone to talk to, not anything physical.

Prowler
01-01-2017, 01:27 PM
So soon anime waifu holograms will be a reality for most Japanese men? Fascinating.