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FredWolfLeonardo
10-17-2016, 06:34 AM
After watching some DragonBall Super and Pokemon Generations, I really liked the animation style and I think they could use it to make an animated tmnt movie to rejuvinate public interest in the turtles, how do you think it would work out?

This would be a remaster of the OT pilot season with more focus on character development rather than supporting characters (bye bye, Neutrinos), actions scenes like 2k3, an overall story like that of the OTs first season with changes made such as having a deeper Splinter and Shredder rivalry, all old OT voice actors reprise where possible, have a modern recreation of the old soundtrack and a noticeably more action orinted and darker tone than the OT, while still being enough like the original to be identifiable.

Do you think this stand alone movie like this would rejuvinate public interest in the turtles as a property and remind us that there is far more to tmnt than onnoxious CGI monsters? Infact, tmnt started out as a comic and I feel that making it a 2D series once again would not only stick out as a property from the cluster of CGI/Live Action films so prevelant nowdays, but fit better with the source material, allowing for more more similar adaptions to versions such as Mirage, the 1990 film and 2k3 after a stand alone OT remake to potentially light a spark of a new tmnt era.

Candy Kappa
10-17-2016, 06:47 AM
I don't think neither the Dragon Ball Super or Pokémon Generations art style is fitting TMNT. but, I wouldn't mind a Japanese animation group do a remake crack at season 1 of the Fred Wolf series.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-17-2016, 07:08 AM
An anime film of the OT would be extremely profitable in Japan, where nostalgia for that show runs high. Get a Japanese production team who grew up on the original to work on it, and a studio like toei or gainax, and you'd have an amazing anime film on your hands. And if an OT anime were released in japan, an American release of such a well known property would be sure to follow.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
10-17-2016, 08:05 AM
No. No. No. Did I hit ten characters yet? No.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-17-2016, 10:47 AM
No. No. No. Did I hit ten characters yet? No.

I will say, you turn tmnt over to a Japanese production team, give them creative fredom, along with access to all forms of turtle media for research, and you know whet you most likely to get for a movie? Maybe not the OT, but it will have:

-Orgin retelling
-Splinter as Yoshi
-Rocksteady and bebop
-Krang and the Technodrome
Yellow jumpsuit April

Don't think the Japanese will pander to nostalgia that much? Tell that to the sentai pirate team that turns into past sentai teams via keys, and the kamen rider who becomes past riders via cards. Oh, and how all gundam is now pandering to universal century/0079 fans now. If given tmnt for a movie,Japan will give us an OT remake, but probably a high quality one.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
10-17-2016, 10:52 AM
I will say, you turn tmnt over to a Japanese production team, give them creative fredom, along with access to all forms of turtle media for research, and you know whet you most likely to get for a movie? Maybe not the OT, but it will have:

-Orgin retelling
-Splinter as Yoshi
-Rocksteady and bebop
-Krang and the Technodrome
Yellow jumpsuit April

Don't think the Japanese will pander to nostalgia that much? Tell that to the sentai pirate team that turns into past sentai teams via keys, and the kamen rider who becomes past riders via cards. Oh, and how all gundam is now pandering to universal century/0079 fans now. If given tmnt for a movie,Japan will give us an OT remake, but probably a high quality one.

I don't want OT ever again. I grew out of it the day I first found an issue of Image Comics' TMNT Volume 3. IDW is the way to go... pay homage, update, and do serious yet fun-filled stories.

Andrew NDB
10-17-2016, 10:53 AM
F*ck and no.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-17-2016, 11:18 AM
I don't want OT ever again. I grew out of it the day I first found an issue of Image Comics' TMNT Volume 3. IDW is the way to go... pay homage, update, and do serious yet fun-filled stories.

Yes, I do agree, IDW would be the ideal version to adapt characters and tone from. Have a flashback to feudal japan and Yoshi and his son's execution at the beginning, then reshuffle story and plot Ideas to bring Krang, rocksteady, and bebop into the first film. Change Oroku Saki's name to Sawaki, change Hamato to Hamada, throw in shredder calling krang a 'stupid octopus', take the blood and violence limitations off, and you've got the recipe for an amazing TMNT film there!

neatoman
10-17-2016, 11:20 AM
F*ck and no.

Right.

There really isn't much of a point to it, even if you like the FW cartoon. Just edit the episodes together if you really want that. Clean up the the quality or plotholes through the magic of editing if you really feel ambitious, but actually trying to recreate the first season of the FW cartoon would be a waste of money.

Now the irony here is that if Viacom really wanted to, they could probably do a shot for shot remake of any episode of the FW show without any legal problems, but they can't actually distribute the FW show itself.

Andrew NDB
10-17-2016, 11:22 AM
Now the irony here is that if Viacom really wanted to, they could probably do a shot for shot remake of any episode of the FW show without any legal problems, but they can't actually distribute the FW show itself.

Knowing them, they're probably working on a way around that right now.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
10-17-2016, 11:26 AM
Yes, I do agree, IDW would be the ideal version to adapt characters and tone from. Have a flashback to feudal japan and Yoshi and his son's execution at the beginning, then reshuffle story and plot Ideas to bring Krang, rocksteady, and bebop into the first film. Change Oroku Saki's name to Sawaki, change Hamato to Hamada, throw in shredder calling krang a 'stupid octopus', take the blood and violence limitations off, and you've got the recipe for an amazing TMNT film there!

Now we're in agreement.

Except you can't fit Shredder, Krang, and Bebop/Rocksteady into the first movie. Too much.

Shredder and the Foot Clan.
Then Krang.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-17-2016, 11:32 AM
Now we're in agreement.

Except you can't fit Shredder, Krang, and Bebop/Rocksteady into the first movie. Too much.

Shredder and the Foot Clan.
Then Krang.


Human Bebop and rocksteady, flanking the sides and Shredders throne in foot clan headquarters scenes, and then actually being badass fighters taking on the turtles- think the anime JOJO'S BIZARRE ADVENTURE- style fighting, but without the 'stands'.

Autbot_Benz
10-17-2016, 11:42 AM
Enough with the ****ing OT Turtles they are like an STD on the franchise you can't get rid of them. lets move on and stop trying to remake OT.

neatoman
10-17-2016, 11:47 AM
Knowing them, they're probably working on a way around that right now.

They've probably been working on that for the past seven years. Last time I heard Nickelodeon wanted to air the show on Nicktoons but Fred Wolf's lowest bid (just for airing the show mind you, not buying it) was absurdly high, which is why they aired the 4Kids show instead.

For a man who claims he paid out of pocket for someone else's toy commercial for nine years, he sure seems difficult to negotiate with.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
10-17-2016, 11:48 AM
I don't want almost exactly the same story retold over and over again.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-17-2016, 11:50 AM
Enough with the ****ing OT Turtles they are like an STD on the franchise you can't get rid of them. lets move on and stop trying to remake OT.

I agree, let's have japan do IDW instead! :D

Jephael
10-17-2016, 11:59 AM
Why am I the only person here who vouches for an idea to do an adaptation of the Archie comics series? :tmad: That would be 1,000 times better than rehashing the original cartoon or even the Mirage comics over and over again! If it were up to me, I'd let both the Mirage comics and Fred Wolf cartoon die with dignity and give the lesser known iterations of TMNT a chance to shine.

neatoman
10-17-2016, 12:11 PM
Why am I the only person here who vouches for an idea to do an adaptation of the Archie comics series? :tmad: That would be 1,000 times better than rehashing the original cartoon or even the Mirage comics over and over again! If it were up to me, I'd let both the Mirage comics and Fred Wolf cartoon die with dignity and give the lesser known iterations of TMNT a chance to shine.

... I'm not sure it'd be "1,000 times better", it would probably be better but I doubt it'd be that much better. The thing is that I don't think "Gotta save tuna from six-pack holders" the movie is something anyone really wants.

Andrew NDB
10-17-2016, 12:52 PM
... I'm not sure it'd be "1,000 times better", it would probably be better but I doubt it'd be that much better. The thing is that I don't think "Gotta save tuna from six-pack holders" the movie is something anyone really wants.

Might be something in an odyssey story, beginning with the Turtles getting whisked away to the Stump Arena stuff, to the "Final Conflict" stuff, all the way through the rainforest stuff and home. Maybe.

plastroncafe
10-17-2016, 01:21 PM
Yeah, I think I'd sit this one out.
But you kids have fun!

FredWolfLeonardo
10-17-2016, 01:31 PM
Enough with the ****ing OT Turtles they are like an STD on the franchise you can't get rid of them. lets move on and stop trying to remake OT.

Yeah, I was afraid this was gonna happen. I don't know when it became a thing to bash the OT for constantly being remade, the only example I can think of is "Out of the Shadows" and that's not even a proper remake, but of course, dromers always want to point fingers at the FW cartoon.

I think I would've gotten across my point better if I titled this thread something along the lines of "Should tmnt go back to 2D animation again?" but its done now.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
10-17-2016, 01:34 PM
Yeah, I was afraid this was gonna happen. I don't know when it became a thing to bash the OT for constantly being remade, the only example I can think of is "Out of the Shadows" and that's not even a proper remake, but of course, dromers always want to point fingers at the FW cartoon.

I think I would've gotten across my point better if I titled this thread something along the lines of "Should tmnt go back to 2D animation again?" but its done now.

Some of us grew up, pallie.

Autbot_Benz
10-17-2016, 01:35 PM
Some of us grew up, pallie.

also Some of us found the 2003 and Nick Cartoons which take the turtles a lot more seriously and not make them the adam west of turtles.

GoldMutant
10-17-2016, 01:39 PM
Not to say it's a bad idea in principle, but I'd rather see a Netflix series based on Mirage or an IDW adaptation, leave the OT as a source of reference at best.

Also, this photo I feel applies here :lol::

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
10-17-2016, 01:47 PM
also Some of us found the 2003 and Nick Cartoons which take the turtles a lot more seriously and not make them the adam west of turtles.

Thank you, Benz.

I was about to be driven round the benz! :trazz:

Aaronardo
10-17-2016, 02:53 PM
People are still asking for OT remakes when we literally just got one that just hit the theaters as well as a TV show that's slowly becoming the OT all over again thanks to Brandon "Fanservice" Auman?

I mean, it's bad enough the toy line is becoming the OT toy line all over again, what with all this WWE nonsense and the sculpts being complete sh*t. Guys, grow up. The OT is fun for nostalgia purposes, but it was an 80s tactic that only worked in the 80s. This ain't the realm of Saturday Morning Cartoons anymore, this is the age of thought-provoking cartoons, dammit!

You already have your OT to look back on, I want my fully serious and thought-provoking television cartoon about mutant turtles who know ninjitsu, and I want it now! (So, no, I don't think this is a good idea at all. The franchise is already become more OT-ridden and less creative. Leave the OT be).

Powder
10-17-2016, 03:14 PM
Enough with the ****ing OT Turtles they are like an STD on the franchise you can't get rid of them. lets move on and stop trying to remake OT.

This. I love 'em but they need to stay in their era.

& if you wanna revisit the FW universe, do it in a new & smart way. Make a direct to DVD animated feature out of Turtles In Time for SNES.

An anime film of the OT would be extremely profitable in Japan, where nostalgia for that show runs high. Get a Japanese production team who grew up on the original to work on it, and a studio like toei or gainax, and you'd have an amazing anime film on your hands. And if an OT anime were released in japan, an American release of such a well known property would be sure to follow.

Dafuc? No it wouldn't. Some folks there have nostalgia for it but it doesn't begin to compare to home-turf fans. Such a thing wouldn't be "extremely profitable" here where it's most popular, let alone overseas. :trolleye:

Andrew NDB
10-17-2016, 03:18 PM
also Some of us found the 2003 and Nick Cartoons which take the turtles a lot more seriously

Eh... more than Fred Wolf but still pretty far from seriously.

Technogeek29
10-17-2016, 05:37 PM
Yeah, I was afraid this was gonna happen. I don't know when it became a thing to bash the OT for constantly being remade, the only example I can think of is "Out of the Shadows" and that's not even a proper remake, but of course, dromers always want to point fingers at the FW cartoon.

I think I would've gotten across my point better if I titled this thread something along the lines of "Should tmnt go back to 2D animation again?" but its done now.

Because a lot of us myself included, are really tired of seeing anything from that version. And keep in mind I like the IDW version a lot but even it's OT references are as blatant as the later seasons of the Nick cartoon has become. I would love for more Archie stuff or IMAGE being the versions I know the least. I would love to see anything from those versions (admittively I didn't care for Armaggon that much in Nick)

TigerClaw
10-17-2016, 05:52 PM
Because a lot of us myself included, are really tired of seeing anything from that version. And keep in mind I like the IDW version a lot but even it's OT references are as blatant as the later seasons of the Nick cartoon has become. I would love for more Archie stuff or IMAGE being the versions I know the least. I would love to see anything from those versions (admittively I didn't care for Armaggon that much in Nick)
I'm not tired of the OT version, they can continue borrowing and referencing it in all incarnations, IDW has a lot of OT references since some of the characters were direct from the OT series.

The same for the Nick series, there are plenty of OT references and characters taken from it, but completely different takes on them.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-17-2016, 08:27 PM
This. I love 'em but they need to stay in their era.

& if you wanna revisit the FW universe, do it in a new & smart way. Make a direct to DVD animated feature out of Turtles In Time for SNES.



Dafuc? No it wouldn't. Some folks there have nostalgia for it but it doesn't begin to compare to home-turf fans. Such a thing wouldn't be "extremely profitable" here where it's most popular, let alone overseas. :trolleye:

YES, yes it would. I wasn't just talking about TMNT with nostalgia, Japan has an aging population who are embracing nostalgia all across the board. All gundam is being molded to 0079 to please the original fans and pander to nostalgia, Kamen Rider and Super Sentai are embracing their pasts to reel older fans in, as well. When the 2003 TMNT series was released there, it barely lasted a year, with much poorer ratings. Any Nostalgia they tap into will be for the OT, which was HUGELY successful there back in the day. I didn't mean demand there would be larger than in the US, I meant what nostalgia and good feelings they have for tmnt would center on the OT. That's the part of TMNT thaty has any kind of recognition in Japan, but I agree it's very small recognition.

Also, the darker and gritter TMNT material has a problem in Japan; while the 'martial arts/cycle of vengeance' angle in TMNT is more unique in the U.S., such anime and manga are a dime a dozen in Japan. There are manga out there with the same basic premise with TMNT, but does the whole story and narrative better. They are martial arts mangas that are gritter and have more mature themes, there are martial arts anime and manga that are far more bloody and violent than turtles will ever be. why go for the TMNT when you have Lady Snowblood? More serious TMNT is unique over here, but in the land martial arts fiction was born, TMNT is a very tiny fish playing in a very big an overcrowded pond. And pure gritty TMNT would just come off as a poor American imitation trying to ape the classics.

Powder
10-17-2016, 11:52 PM
YES, yes it would. I wasn't just talking about TMNT with nostalgia, Japan has an aging population who are embracing nostalgia all across the board. All gundam is being molded to 0079 to please the original fans and pander to nostalgia, Kamen Rider and Super Sentai are embracing their pasts to reel older fans in, as well. When the 2003 TMNT series was released there, it barely lasted a year, with much poorer ratings. Any Nostalgia they tap into will be for the OT, which was HUGELY successful there back in the day. I didn't mean demand there would be larger than in the US, I meant what nostalgia and good feelings they have for tmnt would center on the OT. That's the part of TMNT thaty has any kind of recognition in Japan, but I agree it's very small recognition.

Also, the darker and gritter TMNT material has a problem in Japan.

No, it wouldn't. Get your head outta the clouds. First of all, all big pop culture properties go through this cycle. When certain old demographics reach the point in their life where they're looking back on fonder days, they they become new demographics as that nostalgia is capitalized on. That is by no means a new or exclusive trend in Japanese media. Not sure what you're talking about with Gundams, they had a "please buy our model kits" cash-in show with Builders but it featured designs that span 30 years, & the new iterations have their own distinct looks. The others you mentioned are just doing the same thing TMNT & a host of other properties have done- mix the old & new to get fathers & sons simultaneously. But they're all beloved domestic franchises that have been successfully re-done many times over, of course it works.

TMNT was huge in Japan during Turtlemania, I'm not arguing that, but a resurgence would not have the same or similar impact, nor would it grant further lasting power. There's no way a western cartoon series is gonna get a modern 'anime' produced in Japan by a huge/prominent studio, let alone an independent one. Do you even know what the otaku market is like these days? Audiences there have become very finicky, & a significant chunk of anime viewers in the 2010's want cookie cutter "moe-blob" shows, which is to say cute girls doing cute things. While there are some action successes each year, a lot of their legacies end up as mere flavor of the month 12 episode manga adaptions that come & go without so much as a second season.

Japan isn't really on par with the USA when it comes to the consumption of foreign entertainment. It is an inclusive nation on many levels. Sure there are plenty of western films that get subtitled & released to welcoming excited crowds, but they're a novelty whose spectacle comes more from the higher budgets & quality CGI than it does a genuine appreciation of the source material. They don't get manga & anime made for them, at best they get a collector's toy from Good Smile Company & even then it's just for the most prominent of characters (like Batman & The Joker, for example) because there isn't enough love for the entire property to warrant the cost of producing more extensive lines.

4kids & the Nick series had strong starts & then immediately fell off. That's pretty telling of how the turtles are viewed in general there. They're a memory. Is it a fond enough memory to cash-in on in 2017 for the Japanese public? I doubt it. Sure, Viacom has made commendable efforts pushing the brand there, we've gotten some very cool items from overseas, the bay films had theatrical releases, even The Visual History book & (some) IDW comics were translated, but it's hardly booming.

& there you go once again trying to take subtle jabs at Mirage. :tlol: Classic.

Cryomancer
10-18-2016, 12:24 AM
The first season of the OT pretty much already is an anime movie. It was animated, pretty well, by Toei and it flows more or less end to end just fine. It was even released as a "movie" at least once, wasn't it?

Candy Kappa
10-18-2016, 04:44 AM
It was even released as a "movie" at least once, wasn't it?

Yeah, but it's hacked to bits and makes no sense narrative-wise. And one version have extra footage for later seasons episodes showed in.

Panda_Kahn_fan
10-18-2016, 06:22 AM
No, it wouldn't. Get your head outta the clouds. First of all, all big pop culture properties go through this cycle. When certain old demographics reach the point in their life where they're looking back on fonder days, they they become new demographics as that nostalgia is capitalized on. That is by no means a new or exclusive trend in Japanese media. Not sure what you're talking about with Gundams, they had a "please buy our model kits" cash-in show with Builders but it featured designs that span 30 years, & the new iterations have their own distinct looks. The others you mentioned are just doing the same thing TMNT & a host of other properties have done- mix the old & new to get fathers & sons simultaneously. But they're all beloved domestic franchises that have been successfully re-done many times over, of course it works.

TMNT was huge in Japan during Turtlemania, I'm not arguing that, but a resurgence would not have the same or similar impact, nor would it grant further lasting power. There's no way a western cartoon series is gonna get a modern 'anime' produced in Japan by a huge/prominent studio, let alone an independent one. Do you even know what the otaku market is like these days? Audiences there have become very finicky, & a significant chunk of anime viewers in the 2010's want cookie cutter "moe-blob" shows, which is to say cute girls doing cute things. While there are some action successes each year, a lot of their legacies end up as mere flavor of the month 12 episode manga adaptions that come & go without so much as a second season.

Japan isn't really on par with the USA when it comes to the consumption of foreign entertainment. It is an inclusive nation on many levels. Sure there are plenty of western films that get subtitled & released to welcoming excited crowds, but they're a novelty whose spectacle comes more from the higher budgets & quality CGI than it does a genuine appreciation of the source material. They don't get manga & anime made for them, at best they get a collector's toy from Good Smile Company & even then it's just for the most prominent of characters (like Batman & The Joker, for example) because there isn't enough love for the entire property to warrant the cost of producing more extensive lines.

4kids & the Nick series had strong starts & then immediately fell off. That's pretty telling of how the turtles are viewed in general there. They're a memory. Is it a fond enough memory to cash-in on in 2017 for the Japanese public? I doubt it. Sure, Viacom has made commendable efforts pushing the brand there, we've gotten some very cool items from overseas, the bay films had theatrical releases, even The Visual History book & (some) IDW comics were translated, but it's hardly booming.

& there you go once again trying to take subtle jabs at Mirage. :tlol: Classic.

I didn't even mention mirage, I was referring to any future attempt to take a serious tmnt media over there; it would fail against domestic product. I do not, and have never, taken a pot shot at mirage. Just at certain sections of the fandom; and no I Don't take jabs at mirage fans, either. I like certain parts of volume one, and most of the image series, along with the usagi and savage Dragon crossovers. Drop this junk about me hating mirage, it's getting old.

My head is not in the clouds, you failed to notice where I said demand for any tmnt media in Japan is low, I was just pointing out if anyone remembers the Tmnt at all, it's usually the OT they remember, not 4kids or any other version. My point on gundam is during the 90's there was an attempt to keep things fresh with new material that paid homage to the original, but was it's own thing- gundam wing, g gundam, etc. But all I hear gundam fans complain about, both American and Japanese, is how they 'pander to U.C. fans now'. Same goes for laymen rider and sentai; decade and gokiager were anniversary seasons, but the fact the latter and their key gimmick keep popping up in team up movies is annoying both U.S. and Japanese fans. My point on that was with a shrinking market of kids in Japan thanks to a low birthrate, toy and anime companies are catering more to nostalgia there than they used to.

And again, I never said there was any demand for or nostalgia for tmnt in Japan, I was speaking strictly on what version they are going to remember if asked about it (though there might be a few that remember the film's.) So if say gainax or toei were handed the Tmnt for a Movie or OAV series, and given complete creative freedom, along with translated research materials on tmnt history, we'd still get a version with Krang, Shredder,Rocksteady, bebop, and the technodrome.

I've had it with this nonsense. I don't freaking hate mirage, I actually like parts of it. I recognise the OT is goofy and dumb, and I view IDW as my perfect blend of tmnt. This getting old, leave me alone.

FredWolfLeonardo
10-18-2016, 06:56 AM
i get the vibe that alot of people think I am advocating for an entire generation of FW tmnt, I was just advocating for a modern remake of FW season 1 as a movie to kickstart to the next generation of tmnt which could be its own thing rather than being based off FW or mirage (anime tmnt anyone?).

While I can see where people are coming from when they say there's too much FW pandering, wouldn't it also feel a bit stale to have the next generation of tmnt based off mirage after the 2k3 series already did that for many years? I personally think the next generation should not be based off either, but be its own thing with a new style (2D anime! IDW style?),which is precisely what Ciro Nieli did when making the Nick show (Not based off FW despite how much it panders to it!)

Andrew NDB
10-18-2016, 10:52 AM
While I can see where people are coming from when they say there's too much FW pandering

It's fact. Nick/Viacom has done nothing but that post-sale. Which they made clear was their M.O. as witnessed by Dan Berger even while the sale was finalizing.

neatoman
10-18-2016, 04:35 PM
i get the vibe that alot of people think I am advocating for an entire generation of FW tmnt, I was just advocating for a modern remake of FW season 1 as a movie to kickstart to the next generation of tmnt which could be its own thing rather than being based off FW or mirage (anime tmnt anyone?).

While I can see where people are coming from when they say there's too much FW pandering, wouldn't it also feel a bit stale to have the next generation of tmnt based off mirage after the 2k3 series already did that for many years? I personally think the next generation should not be based off either, but be its own thing with a new style (2D anime! IDW style?),which is precisely what Ciro Nieli did when making the Nick show (Not based off FW despite how much it panders to it!)

Aren't all versions of TMNT technically based on Mirage, no matter how loose? Even if you never took a direct look at Mirage and based a new version on other material, it would still be rooted in Mirage by proxy.

For as much as the FW cartoon threw out and added, it's still about four mutant turtles and a rat going through weird events. And if you throw that part out, what do you honestly have left to center new ideas around and still be able to call it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

You can get away from Fred Wolf, you can't truly get away from Mirage.

TigerClaw
10-18-2016, 04:57 PM
Aren't all versions of TMNT technically based on Mirage, no matter how loose? Even if you never took a direct look at Mirage and based a new version on other material, it would still be rooted in Mirage by proxy.

For as much as the FW cartoon threw out and added, it's still about four mutant turtles and a rat going through weird events. And if you throw that part out, what do you honestly have left to center new ideas around and still be able to call it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

You can get away from Fred Wolf, you can't truly get away from Mirage.
While both are the same, the only thing difference was Splinter's origin, I like Splinter's origin in the FW series better, That's the origin that the Nickeldeon is using.

FredWolfLeonardo
10-18-2016, 05:19 PM
Aren't all versions of TMNT technically based on Mirage, no matter how loose? Even if you never took a direct look at Mirage and based a new version on other material, it would still be rooted in Mirage by proxy.

For as much as the FW cartoon threw out and added, it's still about four mutant turtles and a rat going through weird events. And if you throw that part out, what do you honestly have left to center new ideas around and still be able to call it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

You can get away from Fred Wolf, you can't truly get away from Mirage.

I agree with you, but that's not what I meant. Of course you can't get away from mirage, it started tmnt as a whole but different versions follow mirage closer than others and what I am advocating is that the next show doesn't need to follow FW or Mirage as closely as the 2k3 series. Every version has the same basic premise while still being its own thing, that's the beauty of it all.

PApagreg
10-18-2016, 08:52 PM
I know this is off topic but you liked the animation style in Dragonball Super, how?

FredWolfLeonardo
10-19-2016, 08:18 AM
I know this is off topic but you liked the animation style in Dragonball Super, how?

There is no how or why, I simply like it.

Powder
10-19-2016, 05:47 PM
It just comes naturally.

pferreira
10-20-2016, 09:35 AM
For a man who claims he paid out of pocket for someone else's toy commercial for nine years, he sure seems difficult to negotiate with.I think that might be why it took a long time to bring the 80s series to DVD.

Some of us grew up, pallie.And some of us learned to respect and appreciate different Turtles creations, that's growing up. ;)


This ain't the realm of Saturday Morning Cartoons anymore, this is the age of thought-provoking cartoons, dammit!
Thought-provoking cartoons? You have a cartoon about four teenage mutant ninja turtles trained by their pet rat fighting ninjas and aliens. How thought provoking and serious do you want it to be. People like you make me laugh sometimes. :lol:

Yeah, but it's hacked to bits and makes no sense narrative-wise. And one version have extra footage for later seasons episodes showed in.There's the TV movie version which is about 85 minutes and leaves out a lot of plot. That's difficult to find. Then there's the UK 'How It All Began' video version which uses stuff from Season 2 episodes. That's readily available on VHS, search ebay.

As a fan of the Fred Wold series I don't feel that Season 1 needs to be remade as anime since it was already made by Toei. Best just to start something new or adapt the Archie comics in cartoon format. I have to say I am kind of offended by some so called 'fans' here bashing someone's thread. The OP was asking a question and people who hate the OT went down his throat as though they view the cartoon as a threat. Talk about needing to grow up. I do feel the OT does need it's own thread to stop people unnecessarily trolling. :ohwell:

Jephael
10-20-2016, 10:46 PM
I actually just spent the last couple hours developing an entire backstory and plot ideas for a remake and it perfectly blends elements of Mirage, Archie/Fred Wolf, 4Kids, Nickelodeon and IDW, so it's certainly not that impossible to come up with a decent iteration. The thing is it would definitely take a lot of time and patience to really figure out where to go with it. I even came up with a more believable way the mutagen works. I'd kinda like to pitch this to Kevin Eastman down the road once I've made a name for myself with my own original ideas. What can I say, I've got some big ambitions.

PApagreg
10-20-2016, 11:01 PM
Thought-provoking cartoons? You have a cartoon about four teenage mutant ninja turtles trained by their pet rat fighting ninjas and aliens. How thought provoking and serious do you want it to be. People like you make me laugh sometimes. :lol::

Not saying TMNT has to be thought provoking but if a series about a kid with a funny hat who travels with his magical dog can give a great allegory for Alzheimer, a suger coated series where a girl has a magical wand can show grey and gray morality, and a series about a horseman who use to be in a hit TV show can question the viewers character then I don't see why TMNT doesn't have the potential to be thought provoking

Storm Eagle
10-21-2016, 01:38 AM
Not saying TMNT has to be thought provoking but if a series about a kid with a funny hat who travels with his magical dog can give a great allegory for Alzheimer, a suger coated series where a girl has a magical wand can show grey and gray morality, and a series about a horseman who use to be in a hit TV show can question the viewers character then I don't see why TMNT doesn't have the potential to be thought provoking

What series would those be?

Technogeek29
10-21-2016, 02:48 AM
In order, Adventure Time, Star vs The Forces of Evil and Bojack Horseman.

Technogeek29
10-21-2016, 02:54 AM
I think that might be why it took a long time to bring the 80s series to DVD.

And some of us learned to respect and appreciate different Turtles creations, that's growing up. ;)

Thought-provoking cartoons? You have a cartoon about four teenage mutant ninja turtles trained by their pet rat fighting ninjas and aliens. How thought provoking and serious do you want it to be. People like you make me laugh sometimes. :lol:

There's the TV movie version which is about 85 minutes and leaves out a lot of plot. That's difficult to find. Then there's the UK 'How It All Began' video version which uses stuff from Season 2 episodes. That's readily available on VHS, search ebay.

As a fan of the Fred Wold series I don't feel that Season 1 needs to be remade as anime since it was already made by Toei. Best just to start something new or adapt the Archie comics in cartoon format. I have to say I am kind of offended by some so called 'fans' here bashing someone's thread. The OP was asking a question and people who hate the OT went down his throat as though they view the cartoon as a threat. Talk about needing to grow up. I do feel the OT does need it's own thread to stop people unnecessarily trolling. :ohwell:

Because even in my short time here, this is far from the first time this particular topic has been made. No fault of the OP as he couldn't have possibly have known. But reading into our reactions should give you a clear idea of how tired most of us are of Fred Wolf anything. None of us hate it just it's Solomon Grundy like vitality.

Cryomancer
10-21-2016, 05:44 PM
Thought-provoking cartoons? You have a cartoon about four teenage mutant ninja turtles trained by their pet rat fighting ninjas and aliens. How thought provoking and serious do you want it to be. People like you make me laugh sometimes. :lol:

Read Mirage sometime! You might be surprised. Hell, even Archie has it's moments.

Storm Eagle
10-21-2016, 10:04 PM
In order, Adventure Time, Star vs The Forces of Evil and Bojack Horseman.

Three shows I haven't seen a lick of, although I was thinking one of them might be Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir.

Technogeek29
10-22-2016, 09:42 AM
Three shows I haven't seen a lick of, although I was thinking one of them might be Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir.

Also a good choice.

LeotheLateBloomer
10-23-2016, 11:09 AM
People are still asking for OT remakes when we literally just got one that just hit the theaters as well as a TV show that's slowly becoming the OT all over again thanks to Brandon "Fanservice" Auman?

I mean, it's bad enough the toy line is becoming the OT toy line all over again, what with all this WWE nonsense and the sculpts being complete sh*t. Guys, grow up. The OT is fun for nostalgia purposes, but it was an 80s tactic that only worked in the 80s. This ain't the realm of Saturday Morning Cartoons anymore, this is the age of thought-provoking cartoons, dammit!

You already have your OT to look back on, I want my fully serious and thought-provoking television cartoon about mutant turtles who know ninjitsu, and I want it now! (So, no, I don't think this is a good idea at all. The franchise is already become more OT-ridden and less creative. Leave the OT be).

This!

Wait, Auman is the reason for the OT elements?

You have a cartoon about four teenage mutant ninja turtles trained by their pet rat fighting ninjas and aliens. How thought provoking and serious do you want it to be.

Batman, Spiderman, Antman, Wolverine, Rocket Raccoon, Groot. Nuff said.

MikeandRaph87
10-23-2016, 12:47 PM
People are still asking for OT remakes when we literally just got one that just hit the theaters as well as a TV show that's slowly becoming the OT all over again thanks to Brandon "Fanservice" Auman?

I mean, it's bad enough the toy line is becoming the OT toy line all over again, what with all this WWE nonsense and the sculpts being complete sh*t. Guys, grow up. The OT is fun for nostalgia purposes, but it was an 80s tactic that only worked in the 80s. This ain't the realm of Saturday Morning Cartoons anymore, this is the age of thought-provoking cartoons, dammit!

You already have your OT to look back on, I want my fully serious and thought-provoking television cartoon about mutant turtles who know ninjitsu, and I want it now! (So, no, I don't think this is a good idea at all. The franchise is already become more OT-ridden and less creative. Leave the OT be).

You already got it with the 2003 cartoon. That is likely the closest you will get to what you are referring to in other media.

Aaronardo
10-26-2016, 04:06 PM
You already got it with the 2003 cartoon. That is likely the closest you will get to what you are referring to in other media.

To say the 2003 series was as good as a TMNT show can get is laughable. That show, as good as it was, still had a lot of shortcomings, and not just in the last couple of seasons. If someone can make an amazing animated show out of two kids on summer vacation to a hick town, then surely someone can take TMNT seriously enough to make it just as good or better.

Wait, Auman is the reason for the OT elements?


To be fair, I don't know, but considering that these blatant references didn't show up until he came on the writing team (and his short at SDCC, jam-packed with dopey jabs at other TMNT media), it's not really much of a stretch in my mind.

Thought-provoking cartoons? You have a cartoon about four teenage mutant ninja turtles trained by their pet rat fighting ninjas and aliens. How thought provoking and serious do you want it to be. People like you make me laugh sometimes. :lol:

Thought-provoking and serious enough to floor me. There are stupider-sounding premises out there that have done it. Why should TMNT be any different? Because it had its Adam West show that nobody can let go of for whatever reason.

Also, Crisler's Law. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s%20Law) I knew I'd bump into ye again someday.

pferreira
10-27-2016, 09:20 AM
Not saying TMNT has to be thought provoking but if a series about a kid with a funny hat who travels with his magical dog can give a great allegory for Alzheimer, a suger coated series where a girl has a magical wand can show grey and gray morality, and a series about a horseman who use to be in a hit TV show can question the viewers character then I don't see why TMNT doesn't have the potential to be thought provoking

This!

Batman, Spiderman, Antman, Wolverine, Rocket Raccoon, Groot. Nuff said.

Read Mirage sometime! You might be surprised. Hell, even Archie has it's moments.I never said that Turtles shouldn't have intelligent storylines I'm saying that if Turtles becomes too thought provoking it becomes too serious all the time and with a concept like Ninja Turtles it has to be about balance. Hope that clarifies things. :)



Thought-provoking and serious enough to floor me. There are stupider-sounding premises out there that have done it. Why should TMNT be any different? Because it had its Adam West show that nobody can let go of for whatever reason.

Let go of what? Can't people still like the Fred Wolf series? How does the Adam West series make it any less valid that any other incarnation of Batman? You can be snobbish and disregard the original animated series but that's a childish way of looking at the franchise, ironic considering you'd probably level that particular criticism of being childish at the Fred Wolf cartoon.

Because even in my short time here, this is far from the first time this particular topic has been made. No fault of the OP as he couldn't have possibly have known. But reading into our reactions should give you a clear idea of how tired most of us are of Fred Wolf anything. None of us hate it just it's Solomon Grundy like vitality.To be honest I never visit the 4Kids or Nick forum, I'm sure I'd get bored of hearing about those shows while on those forums. So what do I do? I ignore that part of the forum since I have nothing interesting to contribute. I don't hate those shows, I just don't have an affinity for them like the 80s cartoon. So that's why I think it's a good idea to create a new forum on this site for the 80s series. People can then just ignore the Fred Wolf series leaving the people who enjoy talking about it. ;) Non-fans of that show therefore don't get stressed and they'll be less hate towards threads like this. Everybody's happy, simples. :)

Allio
10-30-2016, 05:40 AM
have I missed the post regarding cybercubed not understanding anime yet?

Aaronardo
10-30-2016, 12:57 PM
Let go of what? Can't people still like the Fred Wolf series? How does the Adam West series make it any less valid that any other incarnation of Batman? You can be snobbish and disregard the original animated series but that's a childish way of looking at the franchise, ironic considering you'd probably level that particular criticism of being childish at the Fred Wolf cartoon.

To be honest I never visit the 4Kids or Nick forum, I'm sure I'd get bored of hearing about those shows while on those forums. So what do I do? I ignore that part of the forum since I have nothing interesting to contribute. I don't hate those shows, I just don't have an affinity for them like the 80s cartoon. So that's why I think it's a good idea to create a new forum on this site for the 80s series. People can then just ignore the Fred Wolf series leaving the people who enjoy talking about it. ;) Non-fans of that show therefore don't get stressed and they'll be less hate towards threads like this. Everybody's happy, simples. :)

No, don't get me wrong. I like the Fred Wolf series and I like the 4Kids series.

But you can't lie that one gets a LOT more coverage by Viacom over the other. There's no ignoring something that is all over the franchise now. Whether it be obvious and blatant "references" in the Nick show, or the live action adaptation of the OT (rather than, idk, a reinterpretation of TMNT as a whole using elements from many incarnations of TMNT like IDW or, heck, the original movie), you can't deny that the OT is everywhere because of Viacom and there's no ignoring it.

My issue with that is nobody can seem to move on from a cheesy TMNT and accept a darker, more interesting story-wise approach. Okay, scratch that -- Viacom can't seem to move on. I'm very fond of the OT, it's what got me into TMNT to begin with, but there's a time and a place. All the time and at all the places is not what TMNT as a franchise deserves in my and a lot of others' opinions.

pferreira
11-03-2016, 12:13 PM
No, don't get me wrong. I like the Fred Wolf series and I like the 4Kids series.

But you can't lie that one gets a LOT more coverage by Viacom over the other. There's no ignoring something that is all over the franchise now. Whether it be obvious and blatant "references" in the Nick show, or the live action adaptation of the OT (rather than, idk, a reinterpretation of TMNT as a whole using elements from many incarnations of TMNT like IDW or, heck, the original movie), you can't deny that the OT is everywhere because of Viacom and there's no ignoring it.

My issue with that is nobody can seem to move on from a cheesy TMNT and accept a darker, more interesting story-wise approach. Okay, scratch that -- Viacom can't seem to move on. I'm very fond of the OT, it's what got me into TMNT to begin with, but there's a time and a place. All the time and at all the places is not what TMNT as a franchise deserves in my and a lot of others' opinions.That's fine but I think there needs to be a passage of time for the other properties to get attention. You may have to wait ten years but the kids who grew up with the 4Kids series will be in a position one day where they'll be putting so many 2003 references into the next Turtles reiteration you'll probably complain there's too many references to the 4Kids show. :lol: It's a generation thing, you just need to wait.

Andrew NDB
11-03-2016, 12:15 PM
Thought-provoking cartoons? You have a cartoon about four teenage mutant ninja turtles trained by their pet rat fighting ninjas and aliens. How thought provoking and serious do you want it to be. People like you make me laugh sometimes. :lol:

Oh no... (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s+Law)

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
11-03-2016, 12:16 PM
Oh no... (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s+Law)

And that's Bingo!

Coola Yagami
01-22-2017, 10:01 PM
People sometimes forget that the 'joke' in tmnt is that it does take itself seriously while still being about talking humanoid turtles.

pferreira
01-26-2017, 11:25 AM
People sometimes forget that the 'joke' in tmnt is that it does take itself seriously while still being about talking humanoid turtles.Turtles was designed as a parody of both martial arts movies, Daredevil and 1980s action movies. Of course it's serious but we shouldn't ignore the concept of it since it stretches credibility. I personally love it. For me I always saw Turtles as a joke on the environment. The Turtles eat pizza, use hip language and love doing what normal humans do because of the environment they've been raised in. They are a product of the capitalist New York forming their sensibilities. I love that idea.

dragonside
02-08-2017, 08:31 PM
HMMMMMMMM this is very reminiscient of anime style compilation movies.

What I would imagine this to be if someone actually wanted to make this happen.... I would see three scenarios

1) Taking the old footage and "remastering" it, similar to Dragon Ball Kai, they would probably have to redraw some scenes and it may look bad like.... Flash art style (we had a taste of this in the 2012 cartoon...). The cast would be accessible.... so this is not too far from reality.


2) Brand new anime like adaptation using an anime studio. Assuming the old cast can do work on it, this may work? But getting a studio interested in this and also have a Japanese adaptation may be hoping for too much. OVAs aren't out of the question, but would require either a lot of money to promote it again or more merch.


3) Then there's the remote possibility. Old style animation with new style techniques. This is similar to Universal Century Gundam animes -like Gundam Unicorn... using the old aesthetics with modern techniques. This is what I would like to see. But TMNT wont' get this kind of love.

For this last option, I'd imagine that they would modernize some of the first season's dated things.. like gun control. Remember that old lady with the machine gun... she'd have that, and two more hand guns. :lol:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-11-2017, 06:34 AM
Seasons 1-2 are great in general, no need for remakes.