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FredWolfLeonardo
10-31-2016, 02:38 AM
How would you have liked it if in the last two years, they made sequels (or prequels) to the 2007 film instead of the PD film. Do you think they would be better films and have performed better at the box office than the PD films?

I think the animation would be pretty stunning in a another film set in the 2007 universe released in this day, as even the 2007 film's CG holds up pretty well despite being released almost a decade ago. I'd also be really curious to see characters like Shredder and Hamato Yoshi would be handled in them. What are your thoughts?

Shark_Blade
10-31-2016, 03:53 AM
They messed up the story too much imo, but I agree the animation is great.

Sure why not, make it all animation. Kinda like what they are doing with the Smurf movie reboot now.

TheSkeletonMan939
10-31-2016, 07:45 AM
I guess I'm one of the few people here who really enjoyed the 2007 movie. I'd love to see sequels set in that world.

Shark_Blade
10-31-2016, 07:57 AM
I actually edited my TMNT 2007 movie. I cut out that cliche dragged out beginning (4 brothers... 4 turtles...blablabla stone generals hercules planetary alignment ripoff).

Yuck:
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I replaced it with this teaser:
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And it continues straight into the jungle sequence. Much better and set out a good mood for starting the film. Full on action. It boggles my mind why they didn't choose this as opposed to the messed up crap we got.

I also tried to edit out April's explanation of the stone generals but eh, it felt choppy so I let it be.

TheSkeletonMan939
10-31-2016, 08:06 AM
So what you did is remove the backstory for the villain, making his plot even more silly than it already was?
Whatever floats your boat...

That '4 brothers...' stuff was pretty silly though, gotta agree there.

Shark_Blade
10-31-2016, 08:22 AM
It'll make Winter a bit "mysterious" because we'll find out his motive when April explain it later (again). Kinda redundant/repetitive in the original form, I think mine flows better, heh.

TheSkeletonMan939
10-31-2016, 08:25 AM
You know, maybe that approach actually could work, so long as you keep April's explanation in there.
Incidentally, I've never understood the paucity of detail in that film. The sticker book for the film was more in-depth when it came to worldbuilding. The sticker book.

Andrew NDB
10-31-2016, 10:16 AM
How would you have liked it if in the last two years, they made sequels (or prequels) to the 2007 film instead of the PD film. Do you think they would be better films and have performed better at the box office than the PD films?

I think the animation would be pretty stunning in a another film set in the 2007 universe released in this day, as even the 2007 film's CG holds up pretty well despite being released almost a decade ago. I'd also be really curious to see characters like Shredder and Hamato Yoshi would be handled in them. What are your thoughts?

Different sort of beast. More profitable, but not as much money, if that makes sense.

Bry
10-31-2016, 10:41 AM
Different sort of beast. More profitable, but not as much money, if that makes sense.

Yep. OotS cost about 4 times more to make than TMNT 2007, and obviously far more to market. TMNT 2007 took in $95 million worldwide, but they likely saw a bit of a profit there -- $35 million budget and smaller marketing campaign. Compared to its own production/marketing expenses, OotS' $245 million box office means they took a loss. Possibly a substantial one.

That might be the way of a lot of franchises going forward -- keep costs as low as possible and aim for a modest profit instead of risking a $150-million level budget and losing big. Deadpool was a huge hit, but the studio (and star and writers) seem to have rejected an inflated budget for the sequel. Having every "major" release be a bloated, expensive blockbuster is starting to backfire with some very expensive "flops", many of which would have actually been considered successful if the studios had kept the budgets lower.

Gee, if only there was a very successful, low-budget TMNT movie the studio could pattern their next attempt on...

plastroncafe
10-31-2016, 10:53 AM
I'll always have a special place in my heart for the Imagi movie.
The plot was full of holes, and not all the characterization was perfect, but in my mind that only made it closer to the source material.

;)

And the animation!
Oh man, for the first time the turtles moved like they were supposed to. I'll never forget how stoked I was with that first trailer. I lost count of the number of times I watched that damn thing.

And Mako as Splinter? That was damn inspired casting.
While I'll forever be sad the movie didn't have more Breakfast and rooftop-fight scenes, it's nice for what it is.
Warts and all.

FredWolfLeonardo
01-14-2017, 02:28 PM
I just watched the 2007 movie again a few days ago and I'm really surprised by how much I enjoyed it, especially the animation and the characters playing off each other. I wanna know more about the turtles, April, Casey, Splinter and the Foot. They were all definetly very interesting.

If the next film reboot was an origin story for the 2007 turtles, along with a younger splinter (since Mako unfortunately passed away), I would 100% support it. I guess some people consider the 90s trilogy to be their origin story, but I personally don't buy it.

With the animation they have these days, they can make the already great looking 2007 movie look even better with the reboot. I can only imagine what it would be like on the big screen with 3D.

dragonside
01-14-2017, 03:06 PM
i think that would be awesome. I'd like to see the sequel that focused on mikey trying to save his brothers? I think that was the concept

Panda_Kahn_fan
01-14-2017, 03:39 PM
That would have been incredible! If only Nick would have just picked up the continuity from there, instead of rebooting. If 2007 was able to continue as a loose continuation, so could tmnt2014 have done so, with a NEW STORY!

ToTheNines
01-14-2017, 05:22 PM
That would have been incredible! If only Nick would have just picked up the continuity from there, instead of rebooting. If 2007 was able to continue as a loose continuation, so could tmnt2014 have done so, with a NEW STORY!

Horrible idea

Utrommaniac
01-14-2017, 05:43 PM
I had seen something of a poster meant to be a sequel, where Shredder returned and all the turtles but Michelangelo were turned back into regular turtles. But it didn't take off.

TigerClaw
01-14-2017, 05:54 PM
I had seen something of a poster meant to be a sequel, where Shredder returned and all the turtles but Michelangelo were turned back into regular turtles. But it didn't take off.
You mean this poster.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff104/robertwolf/TMNT2.jpg

T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!
01-14-2017, 06:24 PM
I still have a poster of that movie on the wall in my gameroom actually. It was definitely better than the PD films for sure.

Jephael
01-14-2017, 06:28 PM
Hey you never know what the future will bring. Perhaps Nickelodeon will work out a deal with Kevin Munroe and he'll get another crack at writing a TMNT movie.

TigerClaw
01-14-2017, 06:54 PM
Hey you never know what the future will bring. Perhaps Nickelodeon will work out a deal with Kevin Munroe and he'll get another crack at writing a TMNT movie.
I know that Kevin Munroe is supposedly working on the Sly Cooper movie, But due to the box office failure for the Ratchet and Clank movie, The Sly Cooper movie may never get done.

sdp
01-14-2017, 08:16 PM
They're not going to make a sequel to the Imagi movie, that studio went bankrupt after Astro Boy sadly. The movie wasn't the success they wanted it to be and basically killed any future movies for many years until the Viacom movie and the movie was a mess, I wanted to love it but there are so many things going on that it lost track of what it wanted to be. It would've made a great story arc for a seasonal arc in a cartoon though.



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If the next film reboot was an origin story for the 2007 turtles, along with a younger splinter

I guess some people consider the 90s trilogy to be their origin story, but I personally don't buy it.


You could say the Nick show is the prequel ;) Haven't seen the later seasons but a few retcons here and there and we have a "movie"Nick Turtles.

They kept the old movies vaguely in continuity to appease fans but it was clearly meant to be it's own take and branch from there.

PApagreg
01-14-2017, 10:02 PM
You could say the Nick show is the prequel ;) Haven't seen the later seasons but a few retcons here and there and we have a "movie"Nick Turtles.

They kept the old movies vaguely in continuity to appease fans but it was clearly meant to be it's own take and branch from there.


Yeahhh no, this film feels like it can take place in the 2k3 universe vs the 2k12 one. As for the film, while I liked it there was a few problems with it like how it feels like we are in the middle of a saga instead of the first and the Nightwatcher thing(seriously whats wrong with Raph fighting solo it felt like the writers just wanted a Leo/Raph conflict just for the hell of it)

Andrew NDB
01-15-2017, 01:22 AM
i think that would be awesome. I'd like to see the sequel that focused on mikey trying to save his brothers? I think that was the concept

With that Mikey? That's a horrible idea. Horrible.

Hey you never know what the future will bring. Perhaps Nickelodeon will work out a deal with Kevin Munroe and he'll get another crack at writing a TMNT movie.

No, we do know. Zero chance. Zero. And Nickelodeon doesn't make theatrical movies all on their own.

They're not going to make a sequel to the Imagi movie, that studio went bankrupt after Astro Boy sadly.

Or the Gotchamen or whatever fiasco.

Yeahhh no, this film feels like it can take place in the 2k3 universe vs the 2k12 one.

No, it can't. For a variety of reasons.

IndigoErth
01-15-2017, 09:49 PM
I'm gonna have to be a party pooper and say "Meh." Never been too impressed with that one. The writing itself is decent, though the story... eh. And the designs always felt bland to me; probably partly the fact of what 3D animation was already capable of at that time, it just looks rather behind the times to me. (Better texture work might have helped.) Though the actual animating is nice. Then there is the, as someone mentioned, fight for the sake of having it, and making my boy into some jerk for not much reason other than doing so...but that debate has been had enough in the past.

At least PD Leo had his legit reasons for being Mr. Grumpy 'Struggling-with-a-Feeling-of-Disappointment-Failure-and-Loss-of-Control' Pants, I have to give him that. (2007 version Leo just seemed mad that someone was trying to play hero on his 'turf,' and since when do any of them act like that.)

sgtfbomb
01-16-2017, 11:09 AM
I liked the 2007 film when it came out, but recently when I re-watched, honestly, I didn't think it was any good.

It has moments of heart. When it dwells on the family, that's when it works best. But everything else just isn't very good. The dialogue is bad and at times downright tacky (the dialogue towards the end hinting at Shredder) and lazy ("the ghost of the jungle!").

Also, last time I watched it, many scenes, particularly the action scene with the P.O.D., feel like "Let's Play" videos.

sdp
01-16-2017, 12:58 PM
With that
Or the Gotchamen or whatever fiasco.


What Gatchaman fiasco?
I was really looking forward to that movie but it kept getting delayed afaik for no real reason besides money and shortly after Astro Boy bombed they closed shop not long after.

I liked Imagi's CG, the writing in their movies definitely needed an improvement.

THGhost
01-16-2017, 04:51 PM
Sequels to the worst TMNT film (imho)? No thanks. :lol:

plastroncafe
01-16-2017, 05:37 PM
Sequels to the worst TMNT film (imho)? No thanks. :lol:

From where I'm standing that movie was already made.

Jephael
01-17-2017, 03:19 PM
I wouldn't necessarily say we've yet to hit rock bottom with the Ninja Turtles. I've seen horrible fan films on YouTube that make the Michael Bay films look like masterpieces.

ToTheNines
01-17-2017, 03:24 PM
I wouldn't necessarily say we've yet to hit rock bottom with the Ninja Turtles. I've seen horrible fan films on YouTube that make the Michael Bay films look like masterpieces.

Lol, WOW.

How unfair is that? Comparing shorts that regular fans made in their free time to multimillion dollar major studio productions? Jesus dude.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-17-2017, 03:43 PM
Lol, WOW.

How unfair is that? Comparing shorts that regular fans made in their free time to multimillion dollar major studio productions? Jesus dude.

*applause*

That's an extremely sh!tty comparison to make.

Andrew NDB
01-17-2017, 04:13 PM
Lol, WOW.

How unfair is that? Comparing shorts that regular fans made in their free time to multimillion dollar major studio productions? Jesus dude.

*applause*

That's an extremely sh!tty comparison to make.

He historically doesn't really make much of a distinction -- if any -- between fan works, even crude ones, and "the real thing."

Jephael
01-17-2017, 05:54 PM
Lol, WOW.

How unfair is that? Comparing shorts that regular fans made in their free time to multimillion dollar major studio productions? Jesus dude.

Um yea, take a moment to watch this and tell me you'd pay money to see a full 90 minute film featuring these "Turtles" over the Bay Turtles.

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ToTheNines
01-17-2017, 05:59 PM
It's a ****ing parody. It says it in the title.

Jephael
01-17-2017, 06:03 PM
It's a ****ing parody. It says it in the title.

Parody or not, it's still a fan film... and a really bad one at that.

PApagreg
01-17-2017, 06:18 PM
Lol, WOW.

How unfair is that? Comparing shorts that regular fans made in their free time to multimillion dollar major studio productions? Jesus dude.

Then again that 35 minute Casey Jones short film was colossal better than the PD films

Jephael
01-17-2017, 07:09 PM
Then again that 35 minute Casey Jones short film was colossal better than the PD films

Oh yea, now that's a good fan film! It stays true to the mythos and they even hired friggin Robbie Rist to reprise his role as the voice of Michelangelo!!!

PixieAnna1
01-17-2017, 08:08 PM
Ah, the 2007 cgi movie. That's an interesting one.
There are elements I love in this movie, so I don't think I could find myself hating it ever. But I won't deny there are sooooo many problems in it, in terms of writing.

I think this was a fun experiment movie-wise. You don't see animated action movies often. And if we could get another cgi turtles movie, I would be down for it. But not for a sequel for 07 universe. I don't feel it had enough potential for a sequel.

THGhost
01-19-2017, 07:52 AM
From where I'm standing that movie was already made.

Ohh I like you. :lol:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
01-20-2017, 01:56 PM
You mean this poster.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff104/robertwolf/TMNT2.jpg

Only Donatello and Leonardo.

THGhost
01-20-2017, 07:14 PM
The 2007 movie is gorgeous to look at, but that's about it for me. The characters are paper-thin, Donnie and Mikey are completely wasted and the story was just too stupid (I know that's odd to say about a TMNT movie, but still). If it did get sequels, I'd hope that they'd have had a story that was actually good and fleshed out the characters some more.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
01-21-2017, 03:44 AM
I would prefer a film with Earth getting attacked during a Triceraton invasion.

THGhost
01-21-2017, 09:29 AM
I would prefer a film with Earth getting attacked during a Triceraton invasion.

Yes. That would be awesome. Not entirely original, but better than the 2007 movie's plot. Which was actually original, but it was dumb. :P