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victory_angel
11-13-2016, 12:31 AM
After an intense episode last week, we are now given it's continuation "Darkest Plight". The Turtles are looking for Splinter, but quickly find out they are the ones being hunted.

Things are rapidly coming to a head as season 4 crawls towards its inevitable conclusion. Remember TMNT is now airing at 9 AM on Sundays.

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 01:23 AM
It's up on ITUNES Now

oh by the way

The Rat King Returns :D

Thats the only spoiler i've seen so i'm going to do what I did last week, keep away from spoilers.

Redworld96
11-13-2016, 02:09 AM
Dudes … I really have been anguished watching this episode …. but the plot twist inside the main plot twist was very good! Anyway, there is still a scene from the Nick trailer that didnt appear in the last 2 episodes :/

Poor Splinter, it has been hard seeing him suffer with the Rat King during all the episode Even when all that was just an hallucination and we discover the Rat King's skeleton :o I guess RK didnt survive the fall, or maybe he died few days after

PD: There's a scene between Bebop and Rocksteady very cute and awkward at the same time XDDD You will see

neatoman
11-13-2016, 04:41 AM
Dudes … I really have been anguished watching this episode …. but the plot twist inside the main plot twist was very good! Anyway, there is still a scene from the Nick trailer that didnt appear in the last 2 episodes :/

Poor Splinter, it has been hard seeing him suffer with the Rat King during all the episode Even when all that was just an hallucination and we discover the Rat King's skeleton :o I guess RK didnt survive the fall, or maybe he died few days after

PD: There's a scene between Bebop and Rocksteady very cute and awkward at the same time XDDD You will see

So is it like the Rat King's appearence in Mirage's City at War? Complete with him telling Splinter to do anything to survive?

Redworld96
11-13-2016, 04:50 AM
So is it like the Rat King's appearence in Mirage's City at War? Complete with him telling Splinter to do anything to survive?

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Yes, a very well done scene

myconius
11-13-2016, 05:11 AM
So is it like the Rat King's appearence in Mirage's City at War? Complete with him telling Splinter to do anything to survive?

it was making me think of that very scene from the comics as well

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 06:40 AM
Holy ****!!!!!!! that episode was the most darkest I have ever seen, :o, I loved it, even though some moments made me sick. :D

I can't believe that some of the moments in the episode got past the censors.

Technogeek29
11-13-2016, 07:07 AM
Well everyone has said it. I got it animated now I just need to see it on the silver screen.:D

shredder orokusaki
11-13-2016, 07:28 AM
I beat the turtles again and now i become even more of amonter with the second dose of mutagen!!

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MOD EDIT: Good god man, SPOILER TAGS! And maybe stop being an insufferable annoyance. Maybe they are modeling Nick Shredder after you...

TurFlytle
11-13-2016, 07:29 AM
Something tells me that mutagen isn't just going to refill him. I think it's going to mutate him to an even more grotesque monster with hardly a coherent thought (and probably not speaking actual words anymore), which will lead to his demise.

Technogeek29
11-13-2016, 07:30 AM
I beat the turtles again and now i become even more of amonter with the second dose of mutagen!!

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TurFlytle
11-13-2016, 07:32 AM
I beat the turtles again and now i become even more of amonter with the second dose of mutagen!!
~snip~


Holy hell, spoiler those pics. They're way too big.

shredder orokusaki
11-13-2016, 07:33 AM
Something tells me that mutagen isn't just going to refill him. I think it's going to mutate him to an even more grotesque monster with hardly a coherent thought (and probably not speaking actual words anymore), which will lead to his demise.
That why i took another dose to i can become even more monster and stronger. After i kill turtles and splinter i will take retromutagen and become human again!

shredder orokusaki
11-13-2016, 07:34 AM
Holy hell, spoiler those pics. They're way too big.

I wanted to show evryone what i did to the turtles!!

matteso586
11-13-2016, 07:35 AM
I figured that Darkest Plight will be a loose adaptation of a well known moment Mirage's City at War. I'm glad they kind of adapted out the cannibalism part, by having Splinter refuse. And it looks like the question about Rat King surviving is finally answered. Although those that have read the original City at War would know that Splinter was just hallucinating.

ToTheNines
11-13-2016, 07:52 AM
Oh, wow. Two righteous episodes in a row!

The beginning stuff with Splinter was brutal, especially the bite. I have a pretty bad fear of falling and they made that pretty freaky, especially him banging off of all the steel. Then his leg was so mangled!

The RK stuff was perfect, too. Whereas Splinter was born a rat in Mirage, it made sense that Yoshi didn't succumb and eat a rat. Although, in the comics it happened over the course of several days, so maybe he eventually would have cracked. So cool that they showed his skeleton! Makes "Of Rats and Men" even cooler in retrospect.

The rest of the stuff was awesome. Leo had some great combat moments, and Raph and CJ had a cool fight with B&R. I was so ready to see Karai finish Shredder, but I guess that won't be until the finale.

Oh, and new opening stuff! And Rise of the Turtles flashback! (Who voiced Leo for that?)

I give it a 9/10. Loses a point for Mikey, Bebop and Rocksteady being so annoying, and April being so powerful.

asfaloth12
11-13-2016, 07:52 AM
Wow, that was a really good episode! Pretty dark, too. Poor Splinter (and Leo! Goodness, that boy has been through the wringer, too). I was wincing through a lot of their scenes; I swear my leg was aching in sympathy.
Loved Karai and April in this (you go, girls!), although we know that April's crystal is bad news.
Looking forward to the next episode :D

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 08:02 AM
Shocking moments in the episode

Super Shredder deformed arm
Splinter's broken Leg
Splinter putting his broken leg back in place with that bandage
The whole Rat King delusion
Rat King's skeleton
Blood coming out of April's nose
Leo getting beat up by Super Shredder
Karai punching Shredder in the heart and he throws up green stuff

Ok, why couldn't the movie be shocking and dark like this.

Redworld96
11-13-2016, 08:03 AM
Sorry not so sorry but:

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thundermaster612
11-13-2016, 08:03 AM
That was a great episode, but I'm still questioning how Splinter survived that fall. We also didn't need to see that half naked Rat King pop out of the Ratzilla thing. The fight scenes were good too, but I'm curious as to what will happen with Shredder getting drugged up on mutagen. Also is it just me or does SS' scale change throughout the episode? Like first he's a giant but later on he shrinks and then grows a little in the street fight

EDIT: when did blood coming out of April's nose happen? I didn't see that

NikitaZhukov
11-13-2016, 08:05 AM
EDIT: when did blood coming out of April's nose happen? I didn't see that

When she throws a truck in Super Shredder.

Jester
11-13-2016, 08:11 AM
Right before her eyes glow blue, right?

So...did the Rat King turn into a literal Rat King? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_king)

pannoni1
11-13-2016, 08:11 AM
That was a great episode, but I'm still questioning how Splinter survived that fall.

EDIT: when did blood coming out of April's nose happen? I didn't see that

LOL about Splinter surviving the fall. How many times has Wil E. Coyote survived 'em? Overall, these last two episodes have been very tense with so much action going on, and I thought R&B's "let the Turtles do all the work" was funny, along with the breakdancing gab.

A bit OT, but I'm glad to see Nick putting out some programming to get me excited about, from the return of Legends of the Hidden Temple to a new season of the Paradise Celebrity show.

Show Grade: 8/10

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 08:12 AM
That was a great episode, but I'm still questioning how Splinter survived that fall. We also didn't need to see that half naked Rat King pop out of the Ratzilla thing. The fight scenes were good too, but I'm curious as to what will happen with Shredder getting drugged up on mutagen. Also is it just me or does SS' scale change throughout the episode? Like first he's a giant but later on he shrinks and then grows a little in the street fight

EDIT: when did blood coming out of April's nose happen? I didn't see that

When she throws a truck in Super Shredder.

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It was like a Invisible Woman moment

Haalix
11-13-2016, 08:17 AM
Holy...! That was an intense episode. I'm not complaining, but some moments were really gruesome. Loved them nevertheless but I wonder how Nick got away with them. Leo screaming in anguish, splinter and Shredder falling and the whole hallucination.
Love The fighting in this episode. Though I wish Don and Mikey will have some moments next episode!

9.5/10 for me (minus points for Casey being annoying as always, and Mikey talking with Bebop and Rocksteady)

ToTheNines
11-13-2016, 08:18 AM
Right before her eyes glow blue, right?

So...did the Rat King turn into a literal Rat King? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_king)

Ha, yeah. He did pretty much the same thing in New Animated Adventures #8 (an issue that I consider to be canon with the show).

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--pv17y2_ZkM/UxIlNRtRJ-I/AAAAAAAAL8g/R7GL8v4yLLM/s1600/8-3.jpg

BubblyShell22
11-13-2016, 08:44 AM
A very intense episode and some dark moments too. It was awesome to see RK and that adaptation of the comics as well since I know many fans were predicting it would happen. Loved the fight scenes and I feel so bad for Leo getting beaten up by Shredder again! Let's hope he gets some payback soon because no one messes with my boy in blue and gets away with it! At least they found Splinter so they can be whole again. Also loved how Karai and April teamed up. Overall, a pretty awesome episode.

TurFlytle
11-13-2016, 08:49 AM
Was I the only one getting Tim Burton vibes from the Rat King monster?

picassotheninjaturtle
11-13-2016, 09:13 AM
Has April transformed into Eleven from Stranger Things.

Fang Wolf
11-13-2016, 09:16 AM
Karai punching Shredder in the heart and he throws up green stuff

I think Shredder throws up Mutagen? That why is arm be weird for Mutagen leave his body..
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- I like this Ep...look for see next one...

Technogeek29
11-13-2016, 09:26 AM
Has April transformed into Eleven from Stranger Things.

More accurate is Jean Grey.

ssjup81
11-13-2016, 10:34 AM
Splinter surviving the fall didn't surprise me. It wasn't a straight drop for him, right? It's like Casey back in the ep where he fought Tigerclaw. It wasn't a straight drop, so the impact wasn't as strong.

ssjup81
11-13-2016, 10:38 AM
A very intense episode and some dark moments too. It was awesome to see RK and that adaptation of the comics as well since I know many fans were predicting it would happen. Loved the fight scenes and I feel so bad for Leo getting beaten up by Shredder again! Let's hope he gets some payback soon because no one messes with my boy in blue and gets away with it! At least they found Splinter so they can be whole again. Also loved how Karai and April teamed up. Overall, a pretty awesome episode.I liked their team up too, but it would've been nice if Shini had been involved too...and I still want to see Casey meet her. lol

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 10:40 AM
Splinter surviving the fall didn't surprise me. It wasn't a straight drop for him, right? It's like Casey back in the ep where he fought Tigerclaw. It wasn't a straight drop, so the impact wasn't as strong.

Splinter must of gotten more injured when he hit those steel beams though.

Technogeek29
11-13-2016, 10:44 AM
Splinter must of gotten more injured when he hit those steel beams though.

The concussion he probably suffered did more than the fall.

PApagreg
11-13-2016, 10:46 AM
Okay episode, really liked the scenes with Rat King and Splinter but felt kinda annoyed that this is the third time the cast was sad that "Splinter was gone" and Casey is still annoying.

It was like a Invisible Woman moment

You're thinking of Jean Grey

Utrommaniac
11-13-2016, 11:14 AM
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It was like a Invisible Woman moment

Oh god, I never noticed that. Time to sit back and wait for the Stranger Things jokes. However...why is this the only time there's blood in this episode? Between all the times of foot crushing and rat bites (which will bleed like a b****), this is the time that it shows up???

MrTMNT2012
11-13-2016, 11:15 AM
Some really good fight choreography in there; Season 1 Tier. That's about it.

The writing was definitely better than last week's though. Does anyone who wrote this one? Felt like there was real effort made to develop Splinter's introspective character arc and Shredder's relationship with Karai but ultimately it went nowhere.

Did enjoy how dark it was (actually cringed when Shredder's arm deformed the first time, that was AWESOME!) and even the Episode Title itself seems to have been given more thought than usual.

On the subject of continuity, THIS is more like it; Rat King's addition was clever and actually fit in with present context without just being a dumb throwaway line.

6.5/10

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 11:18 AM
Some really good fight choreography in there; Season 1 Tier. That's about it.

The writing was definitely better than last week's though. Does anyone who wrote this one? Felt like there was real effort made to develop Splinter's introspective character arc and Shredder's relationship with Karai but ultimately it went nowhere.

Did enjoy how dark it was (actually cringed when Shredder's arm deformed the first time, that was AWESOME!) and even the Episode Title itself seems to have been given more thought than usual.

On the subject of continuity, THIS is more like it; Rat King's addition was clever and actually fit in with present context without just being a dumb throwaway line.

6.5/10

Randolph Heard wrote the episode

Autbot_Benz
11-13-2016, 11:19 AM
I beat the turtles again and now i become even more of amonter with the second dose of mutagen!!

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MOD EDIT: Good god man, SPOILER TAGS! And maybe stop being an insufferable annoyance. Maybe they are modeling Nick Shredder after you...
how haven't you been been banned yet seriously

PApagreg
11-13-2016, 11:47 AM
Oh god, I never noticed that. Time to sit back and wait for the Stranger Things jokes. However...why is this the only time there's blood in this episode? Between all the times of foot crushing and rat bites (which will bleed like a b****), this is the time that it shows up???

Maybe this is the only time they can sneak blood in and people won't question why its so little, like you said foot crushing and rat bites show a lot of blood but nosebleeds are basically "blink and miss"

Haalix
11-13-2016, 11:51 AM
The intro changed as well with this episode. The turtles all wore black. Do you think that they will wear it in a real episode? I sure hope so, they looked really scary.

ColinStein
11-13-2016, 12:12 PM
Much like most here, that episode was awesome and dark! I don't think I have anything to add to the conversation that hasn't already been said except... Where's Shinigami? Did I miss something important in previous episodes explaining why she isn't around?

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 12:13 PM
The intro changed as well with this episode. The turtles all wore black. Do you think that they will wear it in a real episode? I sure hope so, they looked really scary.

I guess they will be wearing it in the season final when they fight Super Shredder.

Why are they are wearing black gear?? for toys obviously but the other reasons, it could make them more tougher or they are in mourning, Splinter death maybe. Episode 25 is called Requiem, which we all know means a funeral.

TLP
11-13-2016, 12:13 PM
Great episode, but this is way too dark for kids.

ColinStein
11-13-2016, 12:14 PM
This is becoming too dark for kids.

Your avatar is perfect for this comment.

PApagreg
11-13-2016, 12:17 PM
Great episode, but this is way too dark for kids.


Its not that dark, we haven't seen one of the turtles electrocuted someone to death.

oldmanwinters
11-13-2016, 12:21 PM
Hey, the Splinter-Rat King aspect of City at War finally got an animated adaptation! Who would have thunk it?

TLP
11-13-2016, 12:31 PM
Your avatar is perfect for this comment.

Nah, I'm just a huge Ricky Gervais fan. :lol:

Rukitron
11-13-2016, 12:39 PM
Super Shredder sort of shares more similarities to OT Mutagen Man than Timothy does. He has a heavy mutagen dependence and has similar burns and scars like the fleshy bits on OT Mutagen Man's limbs.

Poor Rat Dad he always ends up incapacitated and going through some form of hell each season. :tsad:

lonewarrior20
11-13-2016, 12:48 PM
i liked it. i almost was hoping to hear a parody of monty pythons sketch.
i'm not dead.
i'm getting better.
i feel fine.

Powder
11-13-2016, 12:49 PM
An amazing episode overall. They adapted the CAW Rat King stuff quite well, & I like all the little changes/new stuff they did with it. The actual "rat king" mecha suit, if you will, hahaha, wow. So surprised they were able to pull of the darker/gross elements, props to Nickelodeon for allowing it. Great action, good emotion, been consistently dope so far, this arc.

Something tells me that mutagen isn't just going to refill him. I think it's going to mutate him to an even more grotesque monster with hardly a coherent thought (and probably not speaking actual words anymore), which will lead to his demise.

I'm hoping for this too. :tlol:

Oh, wow. Two righteous episodes in a row!

The beginning stuff with Splinter was brutal, especially the bite. I have a pretty bad fear of falling and they made that pretty freaky, especially him banging off of all the steel. Then his leg was so mangled!

The RK stuff was perfect, too. Whereas Splinter was born a rat in Mirage, it made sense that Yoshi didn't succumb and eat a rat. Although, in the comics it happened over the course of several days, so maybe he eventually would have cracked. So cool that they showed his skeleton! Makes "Of Rats and Men" even cooler in retrospect.

The rest of the stuff was awesome. Leo had some great combat moments, and Raph and CJ had a cool fight with B&R. I was so ready to see Karai finish Shredder, but I guess that won't be until the finale.

Oh, and new opening stuff! And Rise of the Turtles flashback! (Who voiced Leo for that?)

I give it a 9/10. Loses a point for Mikey, Bebop and Rocksteady being so annoying, and April being so powerful.

Great summary. April being OP & B&R too humor-heavy are my only issues too.

Shocking moments in the episode

Super Shredder deformed arm
Splinter's broken Leg
Splinter putting his broken leg back in place with that bandage
The whole Rat King delusion
Rat King's skeleton
Blood coming out of April's nose
Leo getting beat up by Super Shredder
Karai punching Shredder in the heart and he throws up green stuff

Ok, why couldn't the movie be shocking and dark like this.

This is definitely where the series excels. That stuff was awesome.

Great episode, but this is way too dark for kids.

Not at all. It's dark, but nothing too crazy. Action cartoons have had these sorts of things for 20 years.

Oh, and...

That means absolutely nothing. They're done with his character.

Cyber calm down for once and think!
What is the point of bringing him back now? How would he even play into next episode? The turtles aren't even going to go back down there seeing as how they've got quite a bit on their plate right now.

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ColinStein
11-13-2016, 12:52 PM
@Powder Thanks for those quotes! That's all I could think about when TRK started talking.

CyberCubed
11-13-2016, 01:14 PM
Man, I didn't even notice the blood coming out of April's nose when she went all Jean Grey psychic...how the hell did they get away with that?

Shredder's gross deformed arm, Rat King's dead skeleton body, the rat monster, and all the violence with Shredder squeezing Leo....this was intense for a kids show. Definitely on the same level as 2k3 episodes.

Bebop/Rocksteady are also awesome, screw anyone who says they shouldn't have been in the Nick show. They're so fun to watch and very fun.

PApagreg
11-13-2016, 01:16 PM
Bebop/Rocksteady are also awesome, screw anyone who says they shouldn't have been in the Nick show. They're so fun to watch and very fun.

Eh, Xever and Bradford were much better

neatoman
11-13-2016, 01:23 PM
It was actually kind of nice to see the Rat King's survival training getting adapted, my only nitpicks with the adaptation is that Splinter never ate the rat and claiming it was a fever dream seems a little lame. Beyond that though, it's fine. It sadly didn't happen in the 4Kids series (there's a pretty good reason why it didn't but it's still unforunate it was omitted), so it was nice to finally see such a powerful moment from the comics make it in.

... So... Any ideas of what Shredder will turn into?

TMNTInsighter
11-13-2016, 01:26 PM
*I've gotta stop reading those synopses, they are either inaccurate or over hyped. Same with Brandon Auman's assertions that this would be a game changing episode--if there was anything to indicate that, I didn't see it. Still, I'm not going to make so big a deal out of it due to how wonderfully done this episode was.

Rating: 4.5 out of 5 stars (B+)
It's been said that Tang Shen is the Uncle Ben of this franchise. Not that that's entirely a bad thing. For how little screen time she has gotten in this series, she has left the biggest impact. Just as Uncle Ben's wisdom and heart have helped Peter Parker saved countless lives, so it is with Tang Shen through Master Splinter and onwards to his "sons." Remember, as Splinter asserted in "Turtle Temper" and even in parts of "Tale of the Yokai", he was not a perfect man and had faults as a human being. Like the Fugitoid, his loss of his original human form is a punishment for past sins, but it's also become key to his redemption and it only happens in the wake of both mistakes and loss. Shen has never gotten this treatment in other TMNT incarnations and so props have to be given to this series for showing how much impact she's had in this series, even if her screen time has been scant.
Now why am I going on about her, when there's so much more to this episode than that? Even with Rat King's similar infamous appearance in the "City at War" arc, his appearance in "Darkest Plight" is still a surprise given his fate two seasons earlier as well as the predicament our protagonists found themselves in last episode. Despite being a ghost/hallucination, he still provides the most interesting part of the entire episode. The creators wisely dropped the mind control aspect (our first clue that he might not be alive, despite our eyes trying to tell us otherwise) and focused more on the act of driving Splinter mad via Splinter's own thought processes. The same has to be said for skipping over his infamous "City at War" act to drive Splinter to eat rats. Beyond demographic reasons, it shows a strong commitment to character that most other forms of entertainment (sometimes even cartoons) will sacrifice in exchange for shock and/or action.
And this is where Tang Shen most comes into play here. She and the Rat King are both memories now yet both provide different paths for Splinter to take. I once predicted that Splinter would follow a darker, vengeful path when he discovered what Saki tried to do in "Earth's Last Stand" and that he actually succeeded in "Annihilation: Earth!" No one would blame him surely, but it would also be understandable if he used what Saki did (and then tried to do 'again') and used it as a justification to not go down the same path. Here, it took Splinter forgetting Tang Shen, and then remembering her alongside his current family to break the spell. And then when he has finally broken free, he is still able to thank the Rat King upon discovering his body for reminding him of those who are still here and those who are not still here who have played a very important role in his life. It speaks very highly of his character that he felt and expressed gratitude in that situation. It shows just how much Splinter is at the heart of this series.
Speaking of heart, it applies to other characters as well, mostly Shredder and Karai. That Karai has the guts to step forward for Leonardo for a change and try to appeal to Shredder is disarming as well as how much Shredder's struggle for a family, even of one not his own, is weighing him down and how much he yearns to be loved even if it's undeserving. That's why, unlike Splinter, we don't need to see how Saki perceives Shen to understand his twisted longing. The fact that Karai has to literally attack his heart in order to defeat him is proof enough.
Now, with regards to the climax of Karai jabbing Super Shredder in the heart in order to defeat him, it must be said that this long developed wait is not unusual in these kind of circumstances. After all, Saw creator Leigh Wannell acknowledged the fact saying that viewers know going in that someone would hack their own limbs off with a hacksaw, it just took 90 minutes to get there. The same thing can also be said of the bullseye on Bullseye's forehead being too easy to miss. Hopefully, I've made the argument that, while the latter two have usually been taken in stride, this versions outcome has more symbolism to it and the way it's played out is more than justifiable.
Character moments also shouldn't be gone amiss as well. Casey Jones has a foolish entrance but makes up for it in making a fool out of someone else (and subsequently saving the day in a way) without breaking character. Tiger Claw also is able to see how much Shredder's drive and madness is hurting him, both in the Undercity and back at their new lair. The fact that he tries to deny Shredder the next mutagen batch (like Stockman last episode) also speaks highly of his character. Then again, he also displayed that sort of character in "Annihilation: Earth II" and look where that led.

CyberCubed
11-13-2016, 01:28 PM
Eh, Xever and Bradford were much better

I liked them too, but they have gotten rather stale lately. Probably because nothing new has happened for either character in a long time.

... So... Any ideas of what Shredder will turn into?

Probably a giant deformed super-duper Shredder.

If you've played Resident Evil 2, he'll probably turn into what William was by the end of the game.

Ashwolf
11-13-2016, 01:32 PM
awesome episode and finally starting to get close to my idea of a wicked tmnt version, loved the hallucination bit and the fight scenes though wish the bepop and rocksteady humor bits happened a bit less (though the rock-paper-scissors bit was hilarious cause of rocksteadys mentality)

I guess they will be wearing it in the season final when they fight Super Shredder.

Why are they are wearing black gear?? for toys obviously but the other reasons, it could make them more tougher or they are in mourning, Splinter death maybe. Episode 25 is called Requiem, which we all know means a funeral.

after leos body getting crushed like that, guessing theyll be wearing the black outfits mainly because metal can take a bit more of a impact so they dont get hurt as badly

i just hope that there isnt more plot amnesia in the next episode cause getting over a broken foot and having part of your body crushed should take at least a few weeks if not longer

Jester
11-13-2016, 01:33 PM
Great episode, but this is way too dark for kids.
It did spook my 4 year old a wee bit, but he just came up to me and snuggled.

neatoman
11-13-2016, 01:36 PM
Much like most here, that episode was awesome and dark! I don't think I have anything to add to the conversation that hasn't already been said except... Where's Shinigami? Did I miss something important in previous episodes explaining why she isn't around?

Yeah struck me too, but it didn't occur to me until a few minutes after I watched the episode, guess I was just too focused on the Rat King parts. Anyway, Shinigami... Well either she was just forgotten about (really quickly) or she was just another toy character, hard to tell with this show sometimes.

CyberCubed
11-13-2016, 01:38 PM
Anyway, Shinigami... Well either she was just forgotten about (really quickly) or she was just another toy character, hard to tell with this show sometimes.

No. She was just in the previous episode and got knocked out by Shredder. What the hell do you mean, "just another toy character?" Every character in the show can or should get toys, but that doesn't mean she's not there as part of the story.

Do people on this forum really have collective amnesia when watching this show? A character who just appeared in the previous episode is "forgotten?" What is wrong with some of you?

neatoman
11-13-2016, 01:40 PM
No. She was just in the previous episode and got knocked out by Shredder. What the hell do you mean, "just another toy character?" Every character in the show can or should get toys, but that doesn't mean she's not there as part of the story.

Do people on this forum really have collective amnesia when watching this show? A character who just appeared in the previous episode is "forgotten?" What is wrong with some of you?

It's been a week, we don't have perfect memories for every little detail. So fine, she was knocked out, thanks for reminding us.

CyberCubed
11-13-2016, 01:41 PM
It's been a week, we don't have perfect memories for every little detail. So fine, she was knocked out, thanks for reminding us.

People forget things in 1 weeks time? I would worry about that if I were you.

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 01:42 PM
Whenever the episode gets aired here. The British censors are very strict, so if they don't cut anything from this episode, i'll eat my hat. :lol:

MikeandRaph87
11-13-2016, 01:50 PM
Just a couple of comments for now.

It was guaranteed that The Rat King would return once they broke the floor and ended up where Splinter beat The Rat King and play a a role similar to what he did in City At War story-line in the Mirage comics.

Rocksteady being the one to go spelunking to look for Shredder? The body size in this version would suggest Bebop. I am surprised at the loyalty of those two considering how they started out. Loyalty is one of the three defining traits of both Bebop and Rocksteady but it did not carry over here.

neatoman
11-13-2016, 01:59 PM
People forget things in 1 weeks time? I would worry about that if I were you.

It was a rather minor detail.

TMNTInsighter
11-13-2016, 02:13 PM
No neatoman, you were right. The episode was great but that was still a bad job on the creators' part to forget/not include Shinigami.

Aaronardo
11-13-2016, 02:26 PM
Shinigami doesn't even have even somewhat of a personality in this show, so of course nobody's going to remember when something randomly happens to her.

Great episode. Better than last week's. I lost my sh*t when Rat King appeared on screen and they were actually adapting the Mirage plot they took the name of, rather than some of the other bullsh*t we've gotten (City At War, Return To New York). Intense and actually funny when it needed to be, -- Bebop and Rocksteady actually made me laugh quite a bit here -- just like last week, I felt like I was watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles again.

Side-note, GOD it was weird hearing Seth Green saying one of Jason Biggs's first lines in the show in that flashback. It makes it even more obvious just how weird it is having Seth Green portray the character the way he does.

Haalix
11-13-2016, 02:26 PM
It did spook my 4 year old a wee bit, but he just came up to me and snuggled.

I feel like cartoons have been less brutal than they used to be. I grew up with quite 'gruesome' cartoons. I mean even Avatar had some moments, Aang dying for example. But it didn't traumatise me or anything. Or I even recall cartoons where the main characters are tortured and visibly stabbed and bleeding.

I can imagine that kids (and adults) were shocked that the family friendly TMNT showed some brutal scenes.

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 02:54 PM
I feel like cartoons have been less brutal than they used to be. I grew up with quite 'gruesome' cartoons. I mean even Avatar had some moments, Aang dying for example. But it didn't traumatise me or anything. Or I even recall cartoons where the main characters are tortured and visibly stabbed and bleeding.

I can imagine that kids (and adults) were shocked that the family friendly TMNT showed some brutal scenes.

Some of the 90s shows were pretty shocking, The Animals of Farthing Wood, Gargoyles, The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, Highlander the animated series.

CyberCubed
11-13-2016, 03:17 PM
I feel like cartoons have been less brutal than they used to be. I grew up with quite 'gruesome' cartoons. I mean even Avatar had some moments, Aang dying for example. But it didn't traumatise me or anything. Or I even recall cartoons where the main characters are tortured and visibly stabbed and bleeding.

I can imagine that kids (and adults) were shocked that the family friendly TMNT showed some brutal scenes.

90's cartoons were far stricter in terms of censors than what we have now. Only select few shows got away with some adult themes like the DCAU and Gargoyles.

TMNTInsighter
11-13-2016, 03:25 PM
If "A teacher maybe, but you were never my master!" was an option, I'd pick it. That and Tang Shen's appearance are the more underrated parts of the episode IMO.

Powder
11-13-2016, 03:27 PM
Have Bebop & Rocksteady always been so big? Rock especially seemed way bigger than I remember him being in this series.

Whenever the episode gets aired here. The British censors are very strict, so if they don't cut anything from this episode, i'll eat my hat. :lol:

Have any of the UK showings across these 4 seasons been censored so far? What did they remove/edit, if anything?

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 03:34 PM
Have Bebop & Rocksteady always been so big? Rock especially seemed way bigger than I remember him being in this series.



Have any of the UK showings across these 4 seasons been censored so far? What did they remove/edit, if anything?

I know they've cut out head shots, like a knife thru the robots head ect. They've also cut out Raph and Casey riding on a car in The Invasion. I haven't seen any other edits lately only because i've skipped watching the Space Arc on Nick here. City at War starts next week so i'll be watching that on Nick.

Powder
11-13-2016, 03:59 PM
Oh wow, I had no idea they were doing anything like that. While the series has more edge than expected at times, there's not been anything I would've expected to be thought of as "too much" for TV or kids TV, anyway. UK censorship is very odd, it often seems so illogical. I mean, robot gore, really? You're gonna censor robots getting beaten up? :tlol:

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 04:09 PM
Oh wow, I had no idea they were doing anything like that. While the series has more edge than expected at times, there's not been anything I would've expected to be thought of as "too much" for TV or kids TV, anyway. UK censorship is very odd, it often seems so illogical. I mean, robot gore, really? You're gonna censor robots getting beaten up? :tlol:

We still get robots getting destroyed just not involving the head only below the head. Its the impacts they cut out.

In Within the Woods, they cut out when the Creep thru the pitchfork at Donnie.

Rhio2k
11-13-2016, 04:25 PM
Wait...this ep DOESN'T have Alopex? Maaaaan...

Vicky82
11-13-2016, 04:29 PM
Wait...this ep DOESN'T have Alopex? Maaaaan...

Where did you get idea that Alopex was in this episode :-?

There was no indication that she appears in this episode.

CyberCubed
11-13-2016, 04:35 PM
Furries getting too excited.

Rhio2k
11-13-2016, 04:39 PM
Where did you get idea that Alopex was in this episode :-?

There was no indication that she appears in this episode.

Was kinda hoping for an appearance at least CLOSE to my birthday. Halfway through now...it IS good. Just started watching this series again. I hate Ice Cream Kitty's condition...so disturbing. And they TOTALLY did the Mirage plot with the Rat King...although I wish Splinter had accepted his teaching more respectfully afterwards like in the comic rather than scornfully. I just hope they don't pull the crap they did with their OTHER cgi action/martial arts shows: get you hyped for a particular upcoming episode...then start screwing around with airdates, and showing reruns until you stop watching, then air like 5 new eps in one week.

Ninjinister
11-13-2016, 05:51 PM
The falling fight between Saki and Yoshi reminded me of Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe.

Rhio2k
11-13-2016, 05:54 PM
The falling fight between Saki and Yoshi reminded me of Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe.

Nobody should have to be reminded of that piece of crap.

Ninjinister
11-13-2016, 06:00 PM
Nobody should have to be reminded of that piece of crap.
Crap, it wasn't. Average at best, but better than the three MK games that proceeded it.

Why you bein' so aggro?

PApagreg
11-13-2016, 06:14 PM
Crap, it wasn't. Average at best, but better than the three MK games that proceeded it.

Why you bein' so aggro?
Don't you mean 2

ToTheNines
11-13-2016, 06:20 PM
Crap, it wasn't. Average at best, but better than the three MK games that proceeded it.

Why you bein' so aggro?

It was awesome when it came out. Just became hard to play when the 2011 game dropped.

Back on topic, it was definitely Green voicing Leo in the flashback. Wish it was just recycled Biggs dialogue, woulda been so sweet to my ears. It wasn't a true flashback though, as it was in Splinter's head, so it makes sense that he'd hear his current voice.

Still wondering when Catrambone is gonna show up and for what reason...

redsai4lex
11-13-2016, 06:48 PM
I just wanna say... I've been visiting The Technodrome on and off for over 13 years now, and even though I never post that much, this discussion forum is the #1 source of insight on anything TMNT related... I always come back here to find out what the newest episode will be. :tgrin:

drgon78
11-13-2016, 06:49 PM
Great episode, this would be a great arch to end the Shredder storyline.

victory_angel
11-13-2016, 07:33 PM
I thought it was rather creative to have Mikey say they have salmonella, because in rality Turtles do spread Salmonella.

Allio
11-13-2016, 07:54 PM
I figured that Darkest Plight will be a loose adaptation of a well known moment Mirage's City at War. I'm glad they kind of adapted out the cannibalism part, by having Splinter refuse. And it looks like the question about Rat King surviving is finally answered. Although those that have read the original City at War would know that Splinter was just hallucinating.

now the question will be, will Rat King come back again as a guide to Splinter like his mirage self.

CyberCubed
11-13-2016, 07:55 PM
Rat King is officially dead. Although given this universe, I suppose it is possible he could come back as a ghost or something.

MikeandRaph87
11-13-2016, 08:31 PM
Rat King is officially dead. Although given this universe, I suppose it is possible he could come back as a ghost or something.

That was a big letdown for me. One of the major reasons I could not get into the Mirage comic was Shredder AND Rat King were dead for good with so few appearances. I was sure Rat King would finally return but not suffer the Murage version's fate. Rat King is too big a villain to just get two alive appearances. I fear Oroku Saki will join him soon.

CyberCubed
11-13-2016, 08:59 PM
We were probably not going to see Rat King anymore after this anyway, so I'm glad he received closure.

NinjaMan
11-13-2016, 09:07 PM
Did I see the turtles dressed in black in the new intro?

Wildcat
11-13-2016, 10:16 PM
Well I was pretty disappointed with this part. Especially since the last episode was just amazing.

There's no way, given the context of this show, Splinter could have survived that fall which Don said was at least 1,000 feet. It was the equivalent of Wil E Coyote surviving a fall.

I could have bought that he lassoed a beam with his belt on the way down to soften the fall.

Disappointed Rat King is officially dead I guess and April's telekinesis is just dumb. I generally do not like telekinetic powers because it's just too easy of a thing imo.

CyberCubed
11-13-2016, 10:38 PM
April's powers are driving her insane, so I wouldn't say its anything easy for her.

Wildcat
11-13-2016, 11:00 PM
I mean too easy of a solution. Having any character with theses powers and then using them at the most opportune times.

CyberCubed
11-13-2016, 11:16 PM
Its not like she's saving the day. Tiger Claw beat her down and nearly killed her, and even though she threw trucks at Shredder she wasn't the one who stopped him.

MCLeo28
11-13-2016, 11:25 PM
This episode was absolutely phenomenal and certainly was of higher quality than the previous episode.

This episode was evidently more action-oriented and had a plethora of events occurring simultaneously ranging from Raph + Casey vs. Bebop and Rocksteady, Donnie and Michelangelo scavenging the depths of the chasm in search of Splinter, Splinter nearly surrendering to his own hallucinations which challenged his conviction, and Shredder + Tiger Claw vs. Karai, Leonardo, and April. Even with all of this commotion, the writers succeeded in giving each character a purpose other than Leo who was shafted in favor of Karai (understandable) and April (unforgivable).

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy April's character and was compelled by her interesting backstory, but it was infuriating witnessing April playing a more pivotal role than Leonardo. It seemed as if the writers neglected Leo's bitter fued between Shredder that (if I recall correctly) spanned over the course of a few episodes at least over April whose shared minimal interaction with Shredder at best. I fervently hoped that Leo would've played a pivotal role considering the mutual and fierce rivalry they had, but that was unfortunately not the case and it certainly put a damper on an otherwise, climactic battle.

Other than that, the episode was superb as the writers succeed in exploring the personalities of all of the characters this time around, the return of the Rat King was genuinely appreciated and the challenges he presented towards Splinter was properly executed, and the choices that Karai made by casting away Shredder's intense, but heartfelt emotions gave me shivers down my spine and made me even more intrigued and thrilled for the next episode in the series.

Solid episode, probably one of the best in the series.

MrTMNT2012
11-14-2016, 12:43 AM
Side-note, GOD it was weird hearing Seth Green saying one of Jason Biggs's first lines in the show in that flashback. It makes it even more obvious just how weird it is having Seth Green portray the character the way he does.

I genuinely miss Jason Biggs. Honestly think he was the best voice actor on the show; captured EVERYTHING about Leonardo... :tcry:

TheBlueTurtle1
11-14-2016, 12:46 AM
What have they done to April, she's so annoying an the physic powers thing is so lame.

MrTMNT2012
11-14-2016, 12:47 AM
The falling fight between Saki and Yoshi reminded me of Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe.

Reminded me of Gandalf Vs Balrog from The Two Towers opening XD

Right away I knew this Episode was more along the right lines

CyberCubed
11-14-2016, 01:21 AM
What have they done to April, she's so annoying an the physic powers thing is so lame.

LOL, what? The psychic powers is exactly why she's getting more interesting. She's clearly slowly going insane/evil/more power hungry or so forth.

I also don't understand why people think it makes her too powerful either because she gets her ass beat down constantly in the episode and she couldn't stop Shredder either.

Vicky82
11-14-2016, 02:15 AM
In Mirage The Rat King appears as a shadow when Splinter dies, right (Yeah I know it wasn't the real Splinter)

So if Splinter does die, the Rat King could make another appearance.

What have they done to April, she's so annoying an the physic powers thing is so lame.

It's part of a story line, I don't like her much either but it is interesting, it makes her different from the other versions.

TheJ-manTurtleMan
11-14-2016, 02:16 AM
LOL, what? The psychic powers is exactly why she's getting more interesting. She's clearly slowly going insane/evil/more power hungry or so forth.

I also don't understand why people think it makes her too powerful either because she gets her ass beat down constantly in the episode and she couldn't stop Shredder either.

I'm sure it's all leading up to something, another story arc and such, but right now her powers seem just like a cop-out to get her more involved, forcing her into situations she doesn't need to be in.

ToTheNines
11-14-2016, 02:42 AM
What have they done to April, she's so annoying an the physic powers thing is so lame.

It'd be much easier to swallow if they could simply explain what her deal is. We've been in the dark since 2012.

snake
11-14-2016, 05:16 AM
It'd be much easier to swallow if they could simply explain what her deal is. We've been in the dark since 2012.

Wasn't she a Kraang baby experiment thing? That was the whole plot of Alien Agenda iirc


But yeah, you have to just accept that this April can pull powers out of her ass when the plot demands it.

ToTheNines
11-14-2016, 06:06 AM
Wasn't she a Kraang baby experiment thing? That was the whole plot of Alien Agenda iirc


But yeah, you have to just accept that this April can pull powers out of her ass when the plot demands it.

We know she's half Kraang, but they completely dropped the plot about her being "the one".

We got a fairly detailed explanation in the Mom-thing episode, but it ended up being a complete lie told by the creature.

They could have asked Kirby, but of course he's just a plot device to provide April with angst. I'm still holding out for a Donatello micro adaption to explain it all.

That, and The Christmas Aliens, are the pretty much the only Volume One stories they have left.

LeotheLateBloomer
11-14-2016, 06:21 AM
After watching that episode, all I have to say is.....they REALLY know how to do dark and twisted! Probably my favorite episode of the season. The Super Shredder being my second.

Edit: I just noticed during the theme song near the end, the turtles were dressed in Dark Turtle clothing like Leo was after the "incredible teens" line.

tmntfanuk
11-14-2016, 08:24 AM
Good ep!

Loved the team up with the brothers AND all three human teens. I think that was a first.

Poor Splinter. Even I cringed when he splinted his leg.

Shedder has gone cu-cu. Even more than before...

TheBlueTurtle1
11-14-2016, 09:15 AM
LOL, what? The psychic powers is exactly why she's getting more interesting. She's clearly slowly going insane/evil/more power hungry or so forth.

I also don't understand why people think it makes her too powerful either because she gets her ass beat down constantly in the episode and she couldn't stop Shredder either.

I think it's really lame. I like the fact they are trying something new with the hr, but it's really dumb. Takes away air time with the turtles.

CyberCubed
11-14-2016, 11:38 AM
I don't see how it does at all. This April is the same age of the Turtles and we knew she would be more active than all the other April's. Doesn't take any screentime away from the Turtles, by that logic so do Karai and Casey and nobody cares.

TigerClaw
11-14-2016, 01:20 PM
I finally watched it, Interesting to see the Rat King back, even though it was just a hallucination, and he's actually dead, I'm surprise that Nickelodeon had the balls to show a dead Rat King as a skeleton.

And Shredder being more crazier then ever, I have a feeling we will see him during the Season Final.

NinjaMan
11-14-2016, 02:05 PM
What was up with the turtles and the black masks?

Vicky82
11-14-2016, 02:10 PM
What was up with the turtles and the black masks?

Well they aren't turning evil, as episode 25 is called Requiem, someone is probably going to die and the turtles are wearing the black masks in mourning.

They will be fighting Super Shredder wearing the new gear, possibly in the season final.

Here the toys but they are a bit different as they got more colour on them (obviously not to scare the kids), the turtles in the intro haven't.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/62eaaf448d4f5e8e21265619dd08904f/tumblr_inline_ogg5ccnGZe1sz1u74_540.jpg

xenopokemon
11-14-2016, 03:27 PM
I'm really hoping Shredder's goons end up turning on him. Tiger Claw is loyal but Shredder is going to kill himself if he continues. I'm looking forward to all of his minions ditching him and going solo (or turning good, who knows). We do know Tiger Claw will go solo, start a cult, and summon Demo Dragon (Mark Hamill <3).

FINALLY they decide to dig through the files and bring back an old character from earlier in the series, RAT KING!!! I was hype to see him return (albeit in ghost/hallucination form) in all of his twisted-ness. All I ever wanted was closure with him, and I got it. (Didn't expect to see his corpse, looks like his arm broke from the fall and his rib-cage opened up :o)

IndigoErth
11-14-2016, 07:13 PM
Goodness, Nick, pulling out all the stops, are ya. :teek:

The monster made of rats... o.O That was quite the hallucination. Cool to get some firmation though on the Rat King being gone. (Unless he comes back a spirit somehow.) And no Rahzar anywhere to be seen... maybe he really did die?

Yay for Splinter being okay. Thaaats definitely going to take some healing though. Alongside Leo who I guess once again has taken a bad beating. :ohwell:

NinjaMan
11-14-2016, 07:53 PM
Well they aren't turning evil, as episode 25 is called Requiem, someone is probably going to die and the turtles are wearing the black masks in mourning.

They will be fighting Super Shredder wearing the new gear, possibly in the season final.

Here the toys but they are a bit different as they got more colour on them (obviously not to scare the kids), the turtles in the intro haven't.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/62eaaf448d4f5e8e21265619dd08904f/tumblr_inline_ogg5ccnGZe1sz1u74_540.jpg

Oh those look nice! Thanks for posting this! Can't wait to get these!

ranger_scout
11-15-2016, 09:14 AM
I genuinely miss Jason Biggs. Honestly think he was the best voice actor on the show; captured EVERYTHING about Leonardo... :tcry:

I don't miss him at all. I personally think that Biggs is the most lifeless and wooden actor in Hollywood right now. As I've stated before I've seen better performances from Shia LaBeouf and Daniel Day Lewis. Plus, Biggs is a Class A d-bag.

lonewarrior20
11-15-2016, 09:39 AM
i still can't believe they had shredder pull off the hulks shockwave clap
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/4/49974/1581780-thunderclap.jpg

DisKosh
11-15-2016, 03:38 PM
I thought it was rather creative to have Mikey say they have salmonella, because in rality Turtles do spread Salmonella.

Yes, that line cracked me up. XD

Prototype
11-15-2016, 04:46 PM
Great ep! Very intense, good amount of action, horror and drama!

The "rat combiner" was so cool ^^

Also good to se Splinter alive

zipper
11-15-2016, 05:22 PM
I haven't been following the thread, but Super Shredder is kinda like Bane from Batman. Pretty good episode.

Toadtrooper
11-15-2016, 08:35 PM
Of course they can beat Super Shredder. Just look at his crappy articulation despite all the Turtles being repaints with a few new gear pieces.


One thing I didn't really like is how when Donnie and Mikey got to the bottom, they released their tow lines. And there was only like eight feet of cable to wind up. And next episode they'll be out of the abyss, when that climb back suddenly got more interesting.

The other thing was awkwardly bringing Casey back when Shinigami would have been the far more interesting choice for the Undercity. Donnie and Shini could have descended, giving everything Casey did to Mikey.

But otherwise, a nice continuation of the Super Shredder episode.

ssjup81
11-15-2016, 11:19 PM
I’m at work right now and the only one in the office, so on a whim since I literally have nothing that needs to be done within the next two hours until I can leave for the day, I decided to see if this site was blocked off. Shockingly, it wasn’t. Now, on to what I thought about this week’s episode.

It was great! Splinter surviving the fall was surprising, but I guess it’s because he bumped against the sides on the way down. Maybe if it had been a straight drop, it would’ve killed him, but he should definitely be speaking with some slurred speech or something. He hit his head hard! You know what, I’m going to blame the fact that he’s a mutant rat that he survived! There, problem solved. lol

I thought the actions scenes for this episode were really well done, and I’m glad this episode managed to pretty much adapt such a dark story from the comic. Seriously, the stuff with Rat King was great! Hm, but a naked Rat King covered in rats is something I don’t want to see again. lol Seriously, the feral Splinter from last season in his fundoshi-looking underwear thing and naked Rat King I found way scarier and disturbing than anything in those early horror episodes. lol

The giant Rat Mech…thingee…no wait, it was a literal “Rat King” which is totally gross to see, if you’ve ever seen one. The twist with him being dead and then showing his corpse…just wow! I so wasn’t expecting that and I’m glad that they didn’t have Splinter cannibalize the rat like he did in the comic. Dead bodies are a-okay. A rat eating another rat…no way. That’s going too far for a kid’s show. lol.

I really can’t think of anything that bothered me about this episode, except for one small part. When Raph was looking down, saying that it was much too quiet and was showing concern for Donnie and Mikey, I found Casey’s “I’m bored” nonsense because it was too quiet up there, that bugged me. They could’ve conveyed that he was bored without giving him that kind of a line. They could’ve had him hitting his pucks with a bored look on his face while maybe saying something like, “Don’t worry man, they’ll be fine.” or maybe something like, “If something happened to Splinter, I want to take Shredder and everyone down.” or something. I feel anything would’ve been better than that. To me, it’s equivalent to his “Awesome” at the end of last season. Wish the show would actually find something to do with his character.

Oh, something else I did dislike was the fact that Shinigami wasn’t in the episode, but that was probably due to the fact that they already reached their budget. They had Bebop, Rocksteady, Tigerclaw, Shredder, Rat King (which I was so happy to see again, btw), the four turtles, Splinter, Casey, Karai, and April. The ep had a new location and if Shini would’ve been in the episode, it would be weird for her not to speak and only fight. Notice Baxter didn’t speak this ep.

Let’s see, what else…oh yeah, I liked how April and Karai were helping each other while fighting Super Shredder. Even though April was using her powers and the crystal, while hemorrhaging, I like how despite her tries, she was still overpowered by him. To be honest, I don’t have a problem with the whole power thing with April since she was being trained to use it since season 1 by Splinter and then she continued it because of Donnie and Professor Honeycutt. So yeah, good effort by them and good fight.

I like how Super Shredder punched Tigerclaw for some reason. I just couldn’t help but say, “Falcon Punch!!!” lol

Oh, something else that actually stood out for me was Mikey mentioning the Salmonella thing. If I’m not mistaken, don’t turtles actually spread Salmonella or something? I remember that from reading an animal book or something somewhere as a kid.

Anywho, should get going, delete my history and stuff. lol Overall, great ep and looking forward to the rest of the season.

Toadtrooper
11-16-2016, 12:39 AM
All reptiles and amphibians can spread Salmonella, as well as other bacteria and parasites. I've had a turtle for decades and I treat contact with him the same way I'd treat contact with raw meat.

We'll just assume April's immune and Donnie's the only one who needs a shower after she hugs him...

Prototype
11-16-2016, 02:47 AM
One thing I didn't really like is how when Donnie and Mikey got to the bottom, they released their tow lines. And there was only like eight feet of cable to wind up. And next episode they'll be out of the abyss, when that climb back suddenly got more interesting.

Yeah why did they release their cables?

Wouldn't the tow lines have been handy on the clim up?

TMNTInsighter
11-17-2016, 01:06 PM
LOL, what? The psychic powers is exactly why she's getting more interesting. She's clearly slowly going insane/evil/more power hungry or so forth.

I also don't understand why people think it makes her too powerful either because she gets her ass beat down constantly in the episode and she couldn't stop Shredder either.

No, Blue's right here. April being the next Jean Grey/Phoenix character was not the best way to go for her character this season, especially with how much they're drawing it out this late (with little development too). Not to mention the fact that the Aeons gave it to her to help her and instead it's acting like the BHG piece that corrupted them instead. Basically, it makes them look bad which IMHO taints an other wise good episode from earlier this season.

And let's be fair, her arc stunk up the otherwise great episode "Bat in the Belfry". She acted like an impetulant child for most of the episode, even when everyone, including Splinter, said it was bad news. I know that she had to use it to return Wingnut and Screwloose to the comic, but the return of her over the top behavior should've brought everyone back to their senses afterwards and have her keep her distance from it. Instead they didn't, so we'll get a Jean Grey/Phoenix-esque story in the upcoming episode which frustratingly should have been entirely avoided. With the right twist or direction, it could be a good episode but with this type of plot that's a pretty tall order.

CyberCubed
11-17-2016, 02:06 PM
No, Blue's right here. April being the next Jean Grey/Phoenix character was not the best way to go for her character this season, especially with how much they're drawing it out this late (with little development too). Not to mention the fact that the Aeons gave it to her to help her and instead it's acting like the BHG piece that corrupted them instead. Basically, it makes them look bad which IMHO taints an other wise good episode from earlier this season.

And let's be fair, her arc stunk up the otherwise great episode "Bat in the Belfry". She acted like an impetulant child for most of the episode, even when everyone, including Splinter, said it was bad news. I know that she had to use it to return Wingnut and Screwloose to the comic, but the return of her over the top behavior should've brought everyone back to their senses afterwards and have her keep her distance from it. Instead they didn't, so we'll get a Jean Grey/Phoenix-esque story in the upcoming episode which frustratingly should have been entirely avoided. With the right twist or direction, it could be a good episode but with this type of plot that's a pretty tall order.

I think her role in all of this is pretty great, and her attitude in the Wingnut episode is exactly because she's going mad with power.

victory_angel
11-17-2016, 02:33 PM
No, Blue's right here. April being the next Jean Grey/Phoenix character was not the best way to go for her character this season, especially with how much they're drawing it out this late (with little development too). Not to mention the fact that the Aeons gave it to her to help her and instead it's acting like the BHG piece that corrupted them instead. Basically, it makes them look bad which IMHO taints an other wise good episode from earlier this season.


But that's all the point. The Crystal is an Object of Power and so was the BHG.

In many stories where an object of power exists, the person in possession of it becomes a victim of it as well. Because they grow dependent on what it can do for them and the rush of power they gain from it.

The one ring and the elder wand are good examples of this.

With the one ring it has the power to make someone invisible. But everytime they use it the more compelled they are to use it. And while the person feels that nothing is wrong, they begin to worry that anyone who is interested in it wants to take it from them.

The elder wand is a wand granted to the eldest of three brothers by Death himself. This wand is said to be unbeatable, and it's owner bragged about it. As a result of this, a rival murdered him and took the elder wand for his own purposes. And because of this, the elder wand held a bloody history going from owner to owner.

This is why in stories the object of power if it is in the Heroes possession it is taken away to show they never needed it anyway. Or if it was never in the possession of the villain, the villain's dependence on it would prove their downfall. Then when the hero gains possession of the object of power they choose to destroy it so it's power can't be used ever again by anyone. Or they have enough understanding of the objects power and goodness in their soul to maintain the good the object gives off.


They had explained that the Aeons had never allowed technology on their planet before. So when they were instructed to hide that piece of the black hole generator, they found themselves fascinated by this new device. That fascination became obsession and in time, corruption. They were healed when the soul star was put back in its rightful place and the black hole generator was taken away.

April was given the crystal as a gift. But much like the aeons were corrupted by something that was out of their way of life. April herself has been fascinated by the crystal. This crystal helps focus and enhance her power and we have seen her using her powers more and more frequently rather than her skills as a kunoichi. There have been some hints towards her eventual corruption subtly sprinkled throughout the episodes since she got the crystal.

The reason Wingnut and Screwloose were affected as quickly as they were was because everything they are, everything know was part of someone else's imagination. The crystal was a powerful object that was out side their realm of being so they were more suseptable to it.

neatoman
11-17-2016, 02:35 PM
So was Rat King really was a fever dream, or do you think there was more going on?

Vicky82
11-17-2016, 02:51 PM
So was Rat King really was a fever dream, or do you think there was more going on?

Could be a fever dream, Splinter said he was unwell at the start of the episode or
it was caused by Splinter hitting his head on those metal beams or
Rat King is a ghost and was taunting Splinter.

neatoman
11-17-2016, 03:01 PM
Could be a fever dream or it was caused by Splinter hitting his head on those metal beams or Rat King is a ghost and taunting Splinter.

In Mirage he was actually a type of demigod, so it certainly wasn't a fever dream there. Maybe he was elevated to a higher state of being after his death?

TMNTInsighter
11-17-2016, 03:07 PM
It was mostly brought on by his fever.

ToTheNines
11-17-2016, 03:20 PM
It was pretty open to interpretation.

matteso586
11-17-2016, 06:35 PM
April sensing Super Shredder approaching, "Rat King" popping out of the Rat Monster (twice). Are these considered jump scares?

Powder
11-17-2016, 06:48 PM
Not to me, no.

TheJ-manTurtleMan
11-18-2016, 08:55 PM
Here's my video review of "Darkest Plight" hope you check it out! Thanks!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BfVwFfv_6qk

Klunk1234
11-19-2016, 11:07 PM
It was a good but very dark, dramatic and intense episode. Poor Master Splinter! He was controlled by the Rat King, but at the end he realized that was a horrible nightmare. Loved when he embrace Donnie and Mikey, his two younger sons. And poor Leo! I thought Super Shredder would kill him. Karai was right to tell April, they must not leave Leo alone to face the mutated Shredder. Poor boy! He is in really bad shape.

I liked the flashback to the first chapter.

Donny's computer84
11-19-2016, 11:36 PM
This episode had some of the most intense scenes in the 2012 Turtles series. This had plenty of action and suspense and some of the usual humor associated with Mikey.:D

THGhost
11-20-2016, 05:32 PM
Totally forgot this episode had aired so I'm watching it immediately followed by the next one.

Couldn't agree with you more Donny's computer84. Very itense, that Super Shredder is intimidating as Hell!


Loved the stuff with Splinter and Rat King, clearly inspired by Mirage. The whole giant rat made of rats was a nice touch.
I'm gonna have nightmares tonight though.
I'm getting really sick of Bebop's Michael Jackson impressions.
Badass April! :tcool:
I just knew Super Shredder's exposed heart would be his weak spot. So much for it being purely decorative.


Whoever it was that said the Undercity looks like Dimension-X, you're right. It kinda does. :P

Garfield
02-01-2017, 02:08 PM
I love that at the end of the dream sequence the showed Rat Kings skeleton. Just. there for you. He's dead. I love the finality, I love that they went there and didn't go "oh he might be alive" so the can bring him back when they wanted but instead brought him back with the delusionary dream sequence and that one last battle was all in Splinters head, I think that is very creative.

Shark_Blade
03-29-2017, 06:41 AM
Geez I know I missed out on episodes and only now catching up..

But dang, when Splinter fell from the clifftop (he fell the furthest compared to Super Shredder), I thought Splinter really did die. I'm relieved to see his hand appearing from nowhere, though lunging in desperation.

His broken leg twisted in an odd angle, and him trying to mend it himself with some sticks and bandages... Yikes. I somehow got flashback from 127 Hours...

I'm still watching and haven't finish yet. Kudos to the team again for bringing such epic and impactful scenes to this show. I do hope Splinter won't die in this series.

Edit: Welp, it's a happy ending for now. :D