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FredWolfLeonardo
12-03-2016, 08:24 PM
I was recently wondering, if there are tmnt fans out there who love the original cartoon but aren't fans of tmnt: Out of the Shadows? I ask because I am noticing a pattern, that the same people here who hate Oots are critics of the 80s series who say its a bad show and a parasite on the franchise, while people who love that show enjoyed the movie. So are there any fans who have differing views about the two? (Most preferably people who are fans of the OT, but not the movie. I doubt there are any fans of OOTS who hate the cartoon).

Powder
12-03-2016, 08:28 PM
Yes, I am one of those people. I wanna say Tothenines is in this camp too.

I am critical of the OT on these forums a lot (mostly because many of its fans refuse to admit it has flaws) but I genuinely love it, & I hated OOTS. I liked it better than the first one, but yeah, poopie.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-03-2016, 08:40 PM
As someone who dislikes the OT and hates the PD movies, let me say that I at least have respect for OT. It made the franchise what it is, introduced a lot of great characters and concepts, and basically made 99.995% of all TMNT fans fans. (Except maybe for one weirdo in a basement who only ever read the Mirage comics, I dunno.)

It might not appeal to me and it might be pretty horrific (my opinion), but at least it had heart.

Krutch
12-03-2016, 08:44 PM
I liked them both, but they're two very different animals to compare.

MikeandRaph87
12-03-2016, 08:54 PM
I liked them both, but they're two very different animals to compare.

I am in this camp.

TigerClaw
12-03-2016, 09:07 PM
I like them both too, Its unfair to compare the two, they are two very different depictions, One is animated, The other is live action, Even though the live action tries to depict what was in the animated one, the animated one was a family friendly depiction of the original comics.

Powder
12-03-2016, 09:30 PM
the animated one was a family friendly depiction of the original comics.

No, it wasn't. Not even remotely.

FredWolfLeonardo
12-03-2016, 09:37 PM
No, it wasn't. Not even remotely.

Lets not go through this again.

Coola Yagami
12-03-2016, 10:05 PM
Lets not go through this again.

Well it really wasn't. It had an entirely new format. The comics had the turtles face several different threats, most of the times killing them off on the first or so outing, or just trying to live their lives. The OT had the turtles constantly stop the same quartet of villains from powering up the Technodrome. The villain they killed in the first issue was somehow promoted to main villain status with a weird version of an Utrom and 2 mutant henchmen that were nowhere to be seen in the comics. Plus making April into a news reporter, Splinter into Hamato Yoshi, robot Foot Soldiers, Dimension X, all the crazy toy tie-in characters, and a long list of etc. It was it's own thing entirely.

FredWolfLeonardo
12-03-2016, 10:13 PM
Well it really wasn't. It had an entirely new format. The comics had the turtles face several different threats, most of the times killing them off on the first or so outing, or just trying to live their lives. The OT had the turtles constantly stop the same quartet of villains from powering up the Technodrome. The villain they killed in the first issue was somehow promoted to main villain status with a weird version of an Utrom and 2 mutant henchmen that were nowhere to be seen in the comics. Plus making April into a news reporter, Splinter into Hamato Yoshi, robot Foot Soldiers, Dimension X, all the crazy toy tie-in characters, and a long list of etc. It was it's own thing entirely.

Not saying it is or isn't, I'd just prefer that this thread doesn't go off-topic into the same arguments here that have happened many times over.

Candy Kappa
12-04-2016, 01:33 AM
I like the FW show a lot, and I absolutely hate PDOotS.

DarkFell
12-04-2016, 01:54 AM
I like the old FW cartoon, despite the many flaws / inconsistencies that the series had.
As for the PD TMNT movies, I have a strong hunch that I might not enjoy them as much, due to the direction that both of those movies took..

Shark_Blade
12-04-2016, 02:11 AM
I liked them both, but they're two very different animals to compare.

Same here.

ssjup81
12-04-2016, 03:26 AM
I like the old FW cartoon, despite the many flaws / inconsistencies that the series had.
As for the PD TMNT movies, I have a strong hunch that I might not enjoy them as much, due to the direction that both of those movies took..This is the same for me. The other thing that turned me off from seeing the first film was the fact that the Foot weren't martial artists.

ToTheNines
12-04-2016, 03:51 AM
Yes, I am one of those people. I wanna say Tothenines is in this camp too.

I am critical of the OT on these forums a lot (mostly because many of its fans refuse to admit it has flaws) but I genuinely love it, & I hated OOTS. I liked it better than the first one, but yeah, poopie.

You got it, bub.

A lot of people here act like the OT is Looney Tunes, The Flintstones or fu*kin 1940's Walt Disney. Where really it was a cheaply made toy commercial that ended up having a lot of heart thanks to the effort of a select few writers, plus the voice director/cast.

But yes, I love it. I'm currently on season 6 in what's gotta be like my 5th series watch-through in the past 8 years.

OotS has nothing to do with the Fred Wolf show beyond the superficial. I don't even have the energy to articulate why anymore, it's right there in your faces.

CyberCubed
12-04-2016, 04:10 AM
I marathon the original cartoon every 2-3 years or so. I think the last time I marathoned it was back in 2013, so I am overdue for another rewatch.

I think I've seen every single episode at least 15 times, some more than that since I had VHS tapes of certain eps as a kid I'd rewatch over and over.

DestronMirage22
12-04-2016, 08:00 AM
OT might not have been perfect, but compared to OOTS it was a masterpiece.

ToTheNines
12-04-2016, 08:21 AM
The quinoa-diarrhea dump I took this morning was a masterpiece compared to OotS.

It was somehow worse than the 2014 movie. Ya know, the one with a million different writers that they completely retooled in the middle of filming.

Jester
12-04-2016, 08:41 AM
#NotMyBebop&Rocksteady.

neatoman
12-04-2016, 10:46 AM
I don't like either, but even I recognise that Out of the Shadows is a bastardised version of the Fred Wolf cartoon. The run time of the movie is 112 minutes, that's roughly the same length of season 1 and I'd much rather watch that than sit through OotS again.

What baffles me is that there seems to be plenty of FW fans who don't see this movie as a bastardised abomination, because it's "the movie I wanted as a kid" or something along those lines. I mean really? You wanted a movie full of fart jokes, dick jokes, fat jokes, mucus jokes and even worse writing than the show?

ToTheNines
12-04-2016, 10:56 AM
It was so confused, tonally. A bunch of swear words, alcohol use, half naked Megan Fox... paired with "dormant animal genes", no actual combat, and a kerrsplat on a 757 windshield.

It missed the mark of being Fred Wolf on both ends of the spectrum.

CyberCubed
12-04-2016, 12:52 PM
The animation in the original cartoon was good for its time, well the best animated episodes anyway. It looks very good to this day for a show literally from the late 80's and early 90's.

IndigoErth
12-04-2016, 03:23 PM
I love the OT for what it is. It was never intended to be a sophisticated art form, nor a sophisticated Turtles, which to me is okay. If it was, then 2003 might have had little reason to exist as it does, if at all.

OotS... There are aspects I like about it, primarily things I was hoping they'd change or focus on more and did, but trying to be the OT is not one of them. Those Turtles just do not look or feel the part for that kind of storytelling. (Or any of the lousy storytelling those writers were capable of.) Do I want them silly and lovable in the right moments, yes, of course. Loony Tunes though... no. And I find it odd that Raph is largely who carried that.

MsMarvelDuckie
12-04-2016, 08:27 PM
Agreed. I like the OT as my "main" exposure as a kid aside from the original film which is what actually made me a fan. But I did enjoy some aspects of OotS as qell- just not as much of it as I had hoped. I feel about the same as Indigo and a few others- both have flaws, but I was able to enjoy them for what they were.

dragonside
12-04-2016, 08:35 PM
mmmm i seeee

man. So I loved the OT, and I also loved OOTS. It definitely met my expectations. It was the love letter I was waiting for.

I can understand why some people don't like either, but I think the key was to just have fun with it. TMNT without the fun, is like missing half of its appeal. :tlol:

Keeping in mind that my favorite series is 2k3.

pferreira
12-08-2016, 09:56 AM
Well it really wasn't. It had an entirely new format. The comics had the turtles face several different threats, most of the times killing them off on the first or so outing, or just trying to live their lives. The OT had the turtles constantly stop the same quartet of villains from powering up the Technodrome. The villain they killed in the first issue was somehow promoted to main villain status with a weird version of an Utrom and 2 mutant henchmen that were nowhere to be seen in the comics. Plus making April into a news reporter, Splinter into Hamato Yoshi, robot Foot Soldiers, Dimension X, all the crazy toy tie-in characters, and a long list of etc. It was it's own thing entirely.My opinion on it is that when the Fred Wolf series was being developed the Mirage comic was fairly still new therefore while they wanted a cartoon more lighthearted than the comic it was based on the comic itself hadn't developed enough for the cartoon to incorporate more things.



I am critical of the OT on these forums a lot (mostly because many of its fans refuse to admit it has flaws) Wow wow wow, the OT has flaws? :lol:



I think I've seen every single episode at least 15 times, some more than that since I had VHS tapes of certain eps as a kid I'd rewatch over and over.Last time I watched the cartoon was Season 1 a couple of years ago. Before that a saw a couple of episodes of Season 2 some years before that. I need to marathon it in full at some point now I have the complete series although I did want to watch the 4Kids series first in full first since I've seen less of that.

The animation in the original cartoon was good for its time, well the best animated episodes anyway. It looks very good to this day for a show literally from the late 80's and early 90's.I'll be the first to admit the animation flaws for this show were huge, which I guess is sort of normal for an independent animation company taking on a huge workload. But when the animation was great and director Bill Wolf was doing his job perfectly it was spot on.

I find it really strange. Out of the Shadows was hyped as a live action version of the Fred Wolf cartoon but apart from borrowing elements of that series it has nothing to do with it. Don't get me wrong, I thought OotS was a better movie than the 2014 movie (maybe because of the FW elements) but it didn't feel like a live action movie of the 80s cartoon. Not sure why people can't see that.

Lisardo
12-10-2016, 06:26 PM
I was recently wondering, if there are tmnt fans out there who love the original cartoon but aren't fans of tmnt: Out of the Shadows? I ask because I am noticing a pattern, that the same people here who hate Oots are critics of the 80s series who say its a bad show and a parasite on the franchise, while people who love that show enjoyed the movie. So are there any fans who have differing views about the two? (Most preferably people who are fans of the OT, but not the movie. I doubt there are any fans of OOTS who hate the cartoon).

BayTurtles, either film, really aren't that great, esp. compared to the regular TMNT fandom. I've sofar only seen the first BayTurtles film, not yet the 2nd. And based off the clips I've seen, I'm not missing much. People can say what they will about the OT (or "Fred Wolf" TMNT cartoon, really not sure why ppl refer to it that way), but at least it's fun, or 'nostalgic' if nothing else. BayTurtles...well, is just as blah as the BayFormers films. Even there, as cheesy as the original Transformers toon was, somehow I find it's more enjoyable than the crappy Bay films were. I swear Michael Bay is all action/cgi and no substance.

Candy Kappa
12-10-2016, 07:00 PM
"Fred Wolf" TMNT cartoon, really not sure why ppl refer to it that way.

Can't speak for others, but I prefer FW over OT, since the 1987 show isn't the Original incarnation. MWS works too but FW is shorter and Murakami-Wolf-Swenson changed their name to Fred Wolf Films in '92

ssjup81
12-10-2016, 07:07 PM
Can't speak for others, but I prefer FW over OT, since the 1987 show isn't the Original incarnation. MWS works too but FW is shorter and Murakami-Wolf-Swenson changed their name to Fred Wolf Films in '92I thought OT stood for "old toon" or "original toon" because it is the original cartoon...

Candy Kappa
12-10-2016, 07:12 PM
Old Toon doesn't quite work now that we have more then two cartoon shows, and while it's the first cartoon show it seems a bit misleading calling it the Original Toon when it's not the Original version and not even the first adaptation of the Mirage Comics.

ssjup81
12-10-2016, 07:33 PM
Old Toon doesn't quite work now that we have more then two cartoon shows, and while it's the first cartoon show it seems a bit misleading calling it the Original Toon when it's not the Original version and not even the first adaptation of the Mirage Comics.There's another animated Turtles cartoon before the 1987 show?

Andrew NDB
12-10-2016, 07:43 PM
This thread has become needlessly confusing.

ToTheNines
12-10-2016, 08:27 PM
Old Toon doesn't quite work now that we have more then two cartoon shows, and while it's the first cartoon show it seems a bit misleading calling it the Original Toon when it's not the Original version and not even the first adaptation of the Mirage Comics.

It's funny, we used to say OT and NT.

Everyone quit saying NT forever ago, opting for 2k3 or 4kids... but OT has stuck around for whatever reason.

billbot85
12-10-2016, 10:26 PM
I love the OT (despite its flaws) and don't care for the BayTurtles films at all. I haven't seen all of OoTS yet, but from the bits and pieces I have seen, I can pretty much tell that I wouldn't enjoy it much. Sure, it's awesome that characters like Bebop, Rocksteady, and Krang were finally on the big screen, but fart jokes and other low brow humor aren't gonna help change my mind about these films.

I'll eventually get around to watching OoTS so I can have more solid thoughts on it, but I'm not in any rush. :tlol:

Andrew NDB
12-11-2016, 01:55 AM
(or "Fred Wolf" TMNT cartoon, really not sure why ppl refer to it that way), but at least it's fun, or 'nostalgic' if nothing else.

I'm really not sure why people don't refer to it that way... mostly because they do. And there's been way, way more than enough FW nostalgia in recent years. Enough to sink ships. Enough to drown most third world countries dying of thirst.

Candy Kappa
12-11-2016, 05:47 AM
There's another animated Turtles cartoon before the 1987 show?

I wrote adaptation, not cartoon. The TRPG came out in 1985 predating the FW show.

It's funny, we used to say OT and NT.

Everyone quit saying NT forever ago, opting for 2k3 or 4kids... but OT has stuck around for whatever reason.

Maybe NT should be brought back as Nick Toon, since that show doesn't have a good acronym. :lol:

LeotheLateBloomer
12-11-2016, 08:15 AM
I may not be a fan of it's influences but I can still enjoy watching the cartoon and I still have fond memories of watching it on my old vhs player. Yeah I have the DVDs but I'm weird like that.

From watching the first trailer of OotS, I knew that PD were now just going for what was popular back then. If the Megan Fox in a schoolgirl outfit wasn't enough, things were still going to be the same except with fanservice. It's such a shame that they managed to screw up Bebop, Rocksteady, and Krang's first time on film but with these people, it was not a surprise to me. :roll:

Just bringing in FW elements doesn't automatically make it like the cartoon. Unfortunately some don't understand this.

Originally, I thought it was the lesser of two evils but now I dislike them both for either the same or different reasons. Both movies are even more offensive to this brand than TMNT 3 ever was.

I find it really strange. Out of the Shadows was hyped as a live action version of the Fred Wolf cartoon but apart from borrowing elements of that series it has nothing to do with it. Don't get me wrong, I thought OotS was a better movie than the 2014 movie (maybe because of the FW elements) but it didn't feel like a live action movie of the 80s cartoon. Not sure why people can't see that.

To be honest, I think those who only grew up with the OT and nothing else in this franchise, don't remember it that well other than it being nostalgic.:lol:

Casey
12-12-2016, 04:02 PM
Count me in this category. The OT was a children's cartoon that cranked out hundreds of episodes for not a lot of money . OOTS was a multi-million dollar live action film that took lazy plot points from the cartoon and duct taped together rewrites and reshoots into an ugly Frankenstein's monster.

Xav
12-13-2016, 01:34 AM
It's such a shame that they managed to screw up Bebop, Rocksteady, and Krang's first time on film but with these people, it was not a surprise to me.Well if it makes you feel any better, technically their first time on film is Turtles Forever.

Walkabout
12-13-2016, 04:43 AM
I like the FW show a lot, and I absolutely hate PDOotS.

What this guy said.

The PD movies are abominable.

DarkFell
12-13-2016, 10:52 AM
Candy Kappa is actually a lady.

Andrew NDB
12-13-2016, 11:03 AM
OOTS was a multi-million dollar live action film that took lazy plot points from the cartoon and duct taped together rewrites and reshoots into an ugly Frankenstein's monster.

I don't think they did any significant rewrites or reshoots on this. Unlike 2014, equally horrible, this time around they put on the screen exactly the movie they set out to make.

pferreira
12-15-2016, 09:34 AM
To be honest, I think those who only grew up with the OT and nothing else in this franchise, don't remember it that well other than it being nostalgic.:lol:I think the people behind the new movie didn't quite get the 80s Turtles. If they were going to make a live action version of the Fred Wolf cartoon they should have gone all out in style and plot. Forcing elements of the 80s Turtles into a PD movie that already has it's own identity from the 2014 movie wasn't the way it should of been done but like I said it was still a better movie than the 2014 one which was very underwhelming although for some reason that was better received.

Lisardo
12-16-2016, 05:26 PM
I thought OT stood for "old toon" or "original toon" because it is the original cartoon...

Yeah exactly, it's the original (the first) cartoon, hence OT.

Can't speak for others, but I prefer FW over OT, since the 1987 show isn't the Original incarnation. MWS works too but FW is shorter and Murakami-Wolf-Swenson changed their name to Fred Wolf Films in '92

But the OT isn't the first incarnation, just the first toon. I guess you could call it TMNT'87 also.

LeotheLateBloomer
12-16-2016, 07:37 PM
I think the people behind the new movie didn't quite get the 80s Turtles. If they were going to make a live action version of the Fred Wolf cartoon they should have gone all out in style and plot. Forcing elements of the 80s Turtles into a PD movie that already has it's own identity from the 2014 movie wasn't the way it should of been done but like I said it was still a better movie than the 2014 one which was very underwhelming although for some reason that was better received.

In other words, they tried to go for what's popular without learning what made it popular.

I wouldn't say better recieved but made more money than the sequel. The fact that it was still tied to it's predecessor was the damaging part.

pferreira
12-22-2016, 11:53 AM
In other words, they tried to go for what's popular without learning what made it popular.

I wouldn't say better recieved but made more money than the sequel. The fact that it was still tied to it's predecessor was the damaging part.Oh I agree. They included vague memories the writers had of the 80s cartoon into the 2016 movie and not what it was actually about in style or plot. I say the 2014 film was better received as it made more money which meant that enough people were curious enough to go see it for it to be a success. Any goodwill the first film got had disappeared by the time the 2016 movie came out, disappointing as I see because I thought it was slightly better.

wvfan
12-31-2016, 09:10 PM
Ill take OT but thats what I grew up with.

I cant stand anything Bay puts his hands in but Bay turtles was bad but I still watched them and if the did a third i watch it but I waited for them to hit the redbox.

I never really watched the Fox kids Tmnt. I got a xmas themed dvd for xmas with a few eps on it but i couldnt really get into it. Maybe if I start at the ep 1 I would like it better.

I do really enjoy the nicko tmnt with my daughter. There is parts of it as old school fan that Im not into but I tend to think of every new verison of tmnt as a stand alone and dont really compare them. Its kind of like DC comics earth one, Earth 2 and so on and so on.

I put Bay turtles down there with next mutation but Next is still better.

THGhost
01-01-2017, 04:55 PM
I like both, neither are perfect and I can look past their flaws.

the animated one was a family friendly depiction of the original comics.

Nope, definitely was not.

Technogeek29
01-01-2017, 05:35 PM
I was recently wondering, if there are tmnt fans out there who love the original cartoon but aren't fans of tmnt: Out of the Shadows? I ask because I am noticing a pattern, that the same people here who hate Oots are critics of the 80s series who say its a bad show and a parasite on the franchise, while people who love that show enjoyed the movie. So are there any fans who have differing views about the two? (Most preferably people who are fans of the OT, but not the movie. I doubt there are any fans of OOTS who hate the cartoon).

Hate? No I like the OT I don't mind subtle references to it now and then (Issue 40 is the beginning fight to Shreddered & Splntered) I still watch all my favorite episodes and quote them often oddly enough every one of FW Leo's cornball lines I find the most memorable. But much like hangover you can't shake I am a little tired of it blatantly showing up in every medium of TMNT even IDW being one of my favorites irks me with is FWisms when they do crop up. I still watch the episodes here and there and certainly don't mind discussing it. Just not when it comes to how much FW did this while in another series (Nick being the biggest offender) but feel free to ignore me, my griping about the OT could be a running joke by now.

Walkabout
01-01-2017, 07:36 PM
Like the original Transformers cartoon, I grew up on (well, a couple of season's worth) the FW show.
I'm not blind to the "faults" of these cartoons (they are 80's Saturday morning cartoons, they are what they are) but I despise the twisted, bastardised Michael Bay "reworkings" of both franchises and wish they never happened.

pferreira
01-05-2017, 11:53 AM
Nope, definitely was not.I know. The cartoon was considered violent by adult groups or more specifically parents at the time. Interesting how things change.

Casey
08-16-2017, 09:53 PM
I don't think they did any significant rewrites or reshoots on this. Unlike 2014, equally horrible, this time around they put on the screen exactly the movie they set out to make.

Well, that's even more pathetic then.