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Leofan26
12-04-2016, 09:11 PM
I think in the later half of season three and four I've grown to dislike April's character. In the first two seasons I felt she was fine but now..

A. Too much focus

B. Over doing it with the powers

C. Giving her powers at all

Any one else feel this way?

CyberCubed
12-04-2016, 09:25 PM
1. We've had this discussion several times before, we've had plenty of April threads. I don't see why we need another.

2. Sorry, but it would be best if this thread was locked.

FredWolfLeonardo
12-04-2016, 09:29 PM
Well, even if I didn't like what they did to her character, I hope we can agree that the things you mentioned about April will be toned down now that she has finally let go of the crystal and the Dark April saga is over.

IndigoErth
12-04-2016, 09:43 PM
I'm not crazy about the whole special powers thing, esp now that she's gone all X-Men or whatever. I did like that it recently became a problem.. too bad it won't remain an issue in some way. I mean it was fun when she ended up possessed, but outside of that one ep... eh.

Would have rather it stopped at vague psychic impressions. Although I suppose I can give them credit that the progression was done slowly over time. Too bad the Turtles' own progression kind of got sidelined in favor of hers.

When Casey is their most normal human friend now... Yeah.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-04-2016, 10:16 PM
D, all of the above.

PApagreg
12-04-2016, 10:31 PM
They really should've focused on April's history and how she was created rather than giving her new powers

plastroncafe
12-04-2016, 11:09 PM
Someday there will be an April that is just a well rounded character, and not a damsel in distress or a McGuffin in sneakers.

Someday.
But it is not THIS day.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-04-2016, 11:09 PM
Someday there will be an April that is just a well rounded character, and not a damsel in distress or a McGuffin in sneakers.

Someday.
But it is not THIS day.

I don't think it will ever happen. :tgrumble:

CyberCubed
12-04-2016, 11:45 PM
We've had plenty of well handled April's in the series, and Nick's April fits this universe just fine.

Coola Yagami
12-05-2016, 01:31 AM
My problem is just that she sounds more and more like a bad self insert fanfic character. You know, like the one that's half saiyan, half namekian, is also a Green Lantern, a demon and was trained by Bruce Lee and is a love interest for a main character . April so far is half Kraang, immune to Mutagen, has Jean Grey powers, is in a l9ve triangle and is a full fledged ninja. Please let's stop it here before they also make her fly, teleport, and Shredder's real long lost daughter (since karai was never really his biological daughter) or some crap.

TheBlueTurtle1
12-05-2016, 01:49 AM
I made these points about how bad April is, but certain people on here think I am talking crazy. I thin she has become SO annoying in the last couple of seasons.

Utrommaniac
12-05-2016, 02:03 AM
To be fair, all of those powers are related to each other. She's immune to mutagen because of the Kraang/Utrom genetics. She has those powers because she's half Kraang/Utrom (because that's what they are at their cores, just trapped under the power of one individual) and has been learning to use those powers - granted, without anyone to train really train her and the Aeons inadvertently screwed up by giving her a crystal.

Imagine giving a newborn lamb of a novice digital artist the most high-tech graphic tablet there is with no instruction, telling them it would help her learn - and you're an professional architect with decades of experience. Also, that graphic tablet has the ghost of a long-dead architect that makes the digital arts student have Gollum levels of possessiveness over it.

It's all still very half baked, the phrase I always use regarding this telling of TMNT, and there's pretty much nothing that can be done to fix it at this point.

CyberCubed
12-05-2016, 02:22 AM
My problem is just that she sounds more and more like a bad self insert fanfic character. You know, like the one that's half saiyan, half namekian, is also a Green Lantern, a demon and was trained by Bruce Lee and is a love interest for a main character . April so far is half Kraang, immune to Mutagen, has Jean Grey powers, is in a l9ve triangle and is a full fledged ninja. Please let's stop it here before they also make her fly, teleport, and Shredder's real long lost daughter (since karai was never really his biological daughter) or some crap.

Coola, you know good and well this is not true. She has one Kraang related backstory which is why she was able to develop telekinesis and its the only one they developed throughout the show. Stop acting like these are different things when they're all related.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-05-2016, 09:37 AM
My problem is just that she sounds more and more like a bad self insert fanfic character. You know, like the one that's half saiyan, half namekian, is also a Green Lantern, a demon and was trained by Bruce Lee and is a love interest for a main character . April so far is half Kraang, immune to Mutagen, has Jean Grey powers, is in a l9ve triangle and is a full fledged ninja. Please let's stop it here before they also make her fly, teleport, and Shredder's real long lost daughter (since karai was never really his biological daughter) or some crap.

I applaud your way with words. :tlol:

plastroncafe
12-05-2016, 09:42 AM
Not every writer knows the difference between character traits and characterization period when you can't do the latter you pile on the former.

I hazard to say that every iteration of April has had the same problem. And since she's usually the only primary female character, it leads to some rather uncomfortable conclusions regarding writers and their ability to write female characters.

PApagreg
12-05-2016, 10:35 AM
Coola, you know good and well this is not true. She has one Kraang related backstory which is why she was able to develop telekinesis and its the only one they developed throughout the show. Stop acting like these are different things when they're all related.

Coola never said April had more than one backstory also April displayed telepathy and illusion casting so yeah she has more than one psychic ability

ABrown
12-05-2016, 10:45 AM
I don't necessarily have a problem with her having powers. But I do feel like the writers haven't been clear and consistent with her powers. Of course it is possible that everything that I'm unclear about has been explained. But since I get so bored watching the show, I just wasn't paying close enough attention when everything was explained.

TigerClaw
12-05-2016, 11:18 AM
April isn't the only character with powers on this show, Rockwell whose the mutant monkey from the Mutanimals has psychic powers too.

PApagreg
12-05-2016, 11:40 AM
April isn't the only character with powers on this show, Rockwell whose the mutant monkey from the Mutanimals has psychic powers too.

No one said she was the only one with powers

Coola Yagami
12-05-2016, 12:50 PM
April isn't the only character with powers on this show, Rockwell whose the mutant monkey from the Mutanimals has psychic powers too.

Also Rockwell wasn't based on a preexisting tmnt character that didn't have powers originally.

The funny thing is, the freakier they make april, the more her relationship with Donnie makes sense. It's not really beastiality anymore since we know that, looks aside, April is anything but human.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-05-2016, 12:55 PM
What.

The.

Fvck.

TigerClaw
12-05-2016, 01:00 PM
Also Rockwell wasn't based on a preexisting tmnt character that didn't have powers originally.

The funny thing is, the freakier the naked april, the more her relationship with Donnie makes sense. It's not really beastiality anymore since we know that, looks aside, April is anything but human.
I guess the creators of the show wanted April to be more relatable with the Turtles, by making her half human half alien, its the only way they can justify the whole Apritelo thing.

neatoman
12-05-2016, 02:36 PM
Also Rockwell wasn't based on a preexisting tmnt character that didn't have powers originally.

The funny thing is, the freakier the naked april, the more her relationship with Donnie makes sense. It's not really beastiality anymore since we know that, looks aside, April is anything but human.

What.

The.

Fvck.

I concur, what the phuck?

Just what the hell are you even talking about there, Coola? How did you connect Rockwell and/or her powers to the Donnie thing? What did you mean by "naked April"? How are psychic powers in any way a disqualifier for humanity? What you said seems so bizarre to me.

If you meant the Utrom DNA, then she's still human, she's just the result of the Kraang experimenting on humans. Even if it did disqualify her humanity, she's still not the same species as Donnie, it's still weird even if neither is human.

DestronMirage22
12-05-2016, 03:15 PM
The funny thing is, the freakier the naked april, the more her relationship with Donnie makes sense. It's not really beastiality anymore since we know that, looks aside, April is anything but human.

Whoah, what in the world are you talking about? Something about naked April getting beastiality freaky? :teek::???:

Anyways...getting back to the actual topic, I hate what they did to April. She's now a Jean Grey/Alien Hybrid/Psychic Mary Sue, and that's just stupid to me.

ssjup81
12-05-2016, 04:40 PM
You know, it took me a while to think about my feelings regarding April’s character and whether or not I feel she’s hijacking the story, and I actually don’t feel she is. Feels balanced to me. As for her powers, I guess, for me, they don’t particularly bother me, or either it’s gotten to the point where it just doesn’t faze me anymore. I’ve always been a bit indifferent about them, actually, although, I kind of prefer her not to fight alongside the Turtles…but then that would’ve been boring to have Casey there and no April. They made them their peers for a reason…to have the palling around with the Turtles more since they’re all in the same age range.

Going back to her powers, I will say this…at least they were consistent, imo. They gradually improved. I mean, it was being set up back in season 1 that something was up with her. She had that enhanced sixth sense thing going on, which was something she’d always, apparently had prior to meeting the Turtles. She said as much…well, that was my inference anyway. Splinter started training her and not only her physical abilities, but her mind as well. To me, it’s obvious that she actually applied what she learned from him (Dream Beaver episode, imo, for example).

Beyond season 1 and stuff, when her powers seemed to be overpowering (like Mom thing ep) made complete sense to me. I noticed by that point, that whenever April was emotionally distressed or upset, she had no control over what happened. I also noticed that her powers at that point seemed to react whenever around anything connected to the Kraang. So yeah, it was pretty consistent to me.

So yeah, I guess I have no problem with her powers because they didn’t just slap us in the face with them. It was gradually built up (and, it’s not like she figured this stuff on her own, she was trained by Splinter and the Fugitoid) and with the Aeon Crystal being history, it’ll go back to being downgraded, more than likely. I don’t think we’ll get anymore levitating Tessen action in the way that it was done in the Super Shredder episode. lol

I think the only thing that bugs me about April, is when she does sense something that you don’t need psychic ability for…unless it’s used for a joke, in an ironic sense.

Oh something else that bothered me…times that both she and Casey should’ve been shishkebobbed being amateur fighters and all that. *coughs*firsttimetheyencounteredfootbots*coughs* lol So yeah, aside from those few nitpicks, I guess I generally don’t have a problem with April. I guess I’m more so in the middle.

Oh, I do hope they close up the story regarding her mother and what actually happened to her. I would hate for that to become a sacrificed storyline due to the fact that season 5 looks to be the final season.

Coola Yagami
12-05-2016, 05:22 PM
Whoah, what in the world are you talking about? Something about naked April getting beastiality freaky? :teek::???:

Anyways...getting back to the actual topic, I hate what they did to April. She's now a Jean Grey/Alien Hybrid/Psychic Mary Sue, and that's just stupid to me.

Omg that is the worst auto-correct ever. I meant to say the freakier they MAKE April.... as in give her more powers and whatnot.

CyberCubed
12-05-2016, 05:25 PM
Omg that is the worst auto-correct ever. I meant to say the freakier they MAKE April.... as in give her more powers and whatnot.

Suuuuure, it was just auto-correct. :lol:

Metalwolf
12-05-2016, 06:19 PM
I think in the later half of season three and four I've grown to dislike April's character. In the first two seasons I felt she was fine but now..

A. Too much focus

B. Over doing it with the powers

C. Giving her powers at all

Any one else feel this way?
Yeah. It's why I wish they just kept her abilities limited to just simple sensing of emotions or of any mutants in the area, or have the Kraang DNA removed (maybe by the Utroms?)

Plus the powers make her feel unhuman. There is no sense of risk or danger anymore once her powers get beyond a certain point, because she can effectively counter attacks, or create illusions, or use telekinesis or use mind blasts, or see through a mutant's eyes. And who can counter her after that? Rockwell? Only if his powers can grow at the same clip as hers.

She used to be a fun character, but now she's just another symptom of ongoing problems with this show. Once a character is overpowered, there becomes few problems they can't overcome, and no longer is there a struggle or vehicle for development. They become static and boring, they just exist to hang around and provide fireworks. And if the creator tries to push them into the scene or be the 5th Turtle, they get annoying and soon become The Scrappy.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-05-2016, 07:23 PM
Suuuuure, it was just auto-correct. :lol:

Doncha just hate it when you're trying to Google peak oil or electoral college reform, but autocorrect gives you midget porn instead? I tell ya... happens all the blinkin' time.

ABrown
12-05-2016, 08:17 PM
:lol: Haha, "naked April". Are we talking about the Nick April or are we talking about the porn April O'Neil now? Cause I'm up for discussing either one.

TMNTInsighter
12-05-2016, 08:33 PM
As I've said before, I don't hate what they've done with April's character I just don't like how they've handled it. They've been so over the place with her history & origins, her powers, her kunoichi skills (or more probably her powers VS. her kunoichi skills :lol:), her relationship/non-relationship-as-of-late with her father, who the important man in her life should be, as well as how to answer all that with all the other stuff they've had to cover in this series that it's been kind of a mess.

ssjup81
12-05-2016, 08:40 PM
As I've said before, I don't hate what they've done with April's character I just don't like how they've handled it. They've been so over the place with her history & origins, her powers, her kunoichi skills (or more probably her powers VS. her kunoichi skills :lol:), her relationship/non-relationship-as-of-late with her father, who the important man in her life should be, as well as how to answer all that with all the other stuff they've had to cover in this series that it's been kind of a mess.You know, thinking about it, I find this more of a bother than most anything else concerning April. I think itís outright weird that they havenít had her talk about her father much, especially after returning to earth after their space adventure. I liked the fact that Casey seemed to have other things to do, which was why he wasnít around for some eps, but I feel they should do the same with April from time-to-time to show that she does at least have a life outside of the turtles.

AlessandraDC
12-06-2016, 10:35 AM
I'm a bit torn about April's character. On the one hand it's interesting to see her become a kunoichi and to see her struggle with her powers and identity. I do wish they would revisit her mother and what happened with the Kraang. On the other hand, April has always been the turtles' link to the outside, human world and though she still is, her character is missing a bit that sense of normalcy that she would bring to the turtles' lives. Especially as of late since we haven't seen or heard about her dad or school. She has definitely become much more a part of the turtles' lives rather than bringing them out into the world.

MsMarvelDuckie
12-06-2016, 04:44 PM
Also Rockwell wasn't based on a preexisting tmnt character that didn't have powers originally.

The funny thing is, the freakier they make april, the more her relationship with Donnie makes sense. It's not really beastiality anymore since we know that, looks aside, April is anything but human.


*Sigh* The thing is, it never WAS bestiality. The definition of that term is sexual intercourse with a non-sentient ANIMAL incapable of giving consent or of understanding morality and/or emotional ramifications of such a pairing. Donatello does not meet those criteria, as A) he is fully sentient, B) he is no longer an "animal" in the traditional sense (he's closer to a human given the radical alteration of his physical and mental attributes), and C) he is fully capable of giving consent and understanding all the consequences of being in a relationship with April- perhaps in his case TOO aware. So no, it was NEVER "bestiality" of any kind.

Keep in mind, I say this as someone who has a background as a fantasy/sci-fi gamer/fan, who has played Dungeons and Dragons for DECADES (where orcs, elves, and even dragons commonly mate with and form relationships with humans or other species) and who is thoroughly familiar with literary and media pairings like Aragorn/Arwen, or Captain Kirk and- any alien chick he met. Or Drizzt and Cattie-Brie, or Superman/Lois, Johnny Storm and Crystal of the Inhumans, etc.... The point is, such interspecies matches are only as weird as a person wants to make them. Beast is about as "animal-like" as one can get, but would anyone really argue it as bestiality if he had a thing with a human? Or Azazel (a demon) and Mystique(a mutant). Two completely different species, but they had a child (Nightcrawler)! And both are just as "human" as, say, Mar-Jane. (In the sense that they share emotional and intellectual capabilities, basic physiological similarities, etc.)


I guess the creators of the show wanted April to be more relatable with the Turtles, by making her half human half alien, its the only way they can justify the whole Apritelo thing.


There's really no NEED to "justify" it. IT's NOT weird or abnormal. It's a NORMAL emotional and (possibly) physical attraction to a member of whatever gender they prefer. Like Starly and Cody. Or maybe Starfire and Robin. Beast-boy and Raven. Heck, even Data had his "fling" with Tasha. The list could go on.


I concur, what the phuck?

Just what the hell are you even talking about there, Coola? How did you connect Rockwell and/or her powers to the Donnie thing? What did you mean by "naked April"? How are psychic powers in any way a disqualifier for humanity? What you said seems so bizarre to me.

If you meant the Utrom DNA, then she's still human, she's just the result of the Kraang experimenting on humans. Even if it did disqualify her humanity, she's still not the same species as Donnie, it's still weird even if neither is human.


See above. Nothing weird about it. They like each other. It's as simple (or complicated, depending on do in-depth you want to look at it) as that. Why is that so hard for people to grasp? Alien, mutant, or human- it's all the same when it comes to things like love, friendship, or family.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-06-2016, 08:25 PM
And here... we... go.

Lock this thread, it's going down in flames.

turtle1237
12-06-2016, 09:05 PM
Once April can rise the dead, that is when she is op.

Oh Leo got his head cut off, no problem, she just rearrange his molecules and ka zam, Leo is a ok. What she did to Don at the end, pretty much prove that from this point on, she is GOD, or a Goddess.

CyberCubed
12-06-2016, 09:40 PM
Once April can rise the dead, that is when she is op.

Oh Leo got his head cut off, no problem, she just rearrange his molecules and ka zam, Leo is a ok. What she did to Don at the end, pretty much prove that from this point on, she is GOD, or a Goddess.

I don't think so. Donatello wasn't even dead, his molecules were just scattered. She's never been shown to heal injuries.

turtle1237
12-06-2016, 09:46 PM
I don't think so. Donatello wasn't even dead, his molecules were just scattered. She's never been shown to heal injuries.

And if your "molecules" are scattered all over the place, your pretty much dead. :lol: A lot of weapons can scattered your molecules like April did to Donatello, and non of em are coming back. She killed him off. She didn't zap him to other plain of living or something, she rip him limb from limb, organ from organ and plus some.

ssjup81
12-06-2016, 10:37 PM
And if your "molecules" are scattered all over the place, your pretty much dead. :lol: A lot of weapons can scattered your molecules like April did to Donatello, and non of em are coming back. She killed him off. She didn't zap him to other plain of living or something, she rip him limb from limb, organ from organ and plus some.It’s cartoon logic. They had to bring him back somehow. No blood or anything when Donnie went poof. Kinda reminds me of an old Duck Dodgers cartoon short. They had a disintegrating ray. Daffy said he was wearing a disintegrator-proof vest. I think it was Marvin the Martian. He shot him, and the only thing left was the vest. Porky came in with a Undisintigrater or Resinigrator ( or something) ray and brought him back together. This show gets cartoony sometimes. lol

But yeah, they had to bring Donnie back in some way. He’s a main character. I just couldn’t see them permanently killing off a main character that’s a good guy. In other words, I can’t imagine any of the Turtles being permanently killed off. Close calls, yeah, perm, no. Supporting cast, yes. Villains, yes. Turtles, no.

victory_angel
12-06-2016, 11:37 PM
Itís cartoon logic. They had to bring him back somehow. No blood or anything when Donnie went poof. Kinda reminds me of an old Duck Dodgers cartoon short. They had a disintegrating ray. Daffy said he was wearing a disintegrator-proof vest. I think it was Marvin the Martian. He shot him, and the only thing left was the vest. Porky came in with a Undisintigrater or Resinigrator ( or something) ray and brought him back together. This show gets cartoony sometimes. lol

But yeah, they had to bring Donnie back in some way. Heís a main character. I just couldnít see them permanently killing off a main character thatís a good guy. In other words, I canít imagine any of the Turtles being permanently killed off. Close calls, yeah, perm, no. Supporting cast, yes. Villains, yes. Turtles, no.

I agree.

I mean Leo should have died several times over the course of the show. Season 1 he nearly drowns and somehow inexplicably manages to escape a sinking structure that should have sucked him underwater by it's mass alone.

Season two Leo falls into a pool of frozen water which could have caused a number of frost and cold related issues not counting being cold blooded. This of course, weakens him severely, but it's also what saves him when the Shredder strikes him down. But of course they can't have a turtle die, so he's in a hibernative coma (Hibernative since Turtles naturally hibernate in the winter, and coma because extended period of unconsciousness caused by injury or trauma.) for three smonths.

Season 4: Leo's helmet cracks and Donnie restarts Leo's heart again using his space-bo staff as a defibrillator.

Realistically Leo would be stone cold dead by the time they got to him.

So yeah...if they did go the issue 44 route, they would probably have it be something hokey like having said turtle be revived by the tears of his loved ones.

THGhost
12-08-2016, 06:41 AM
And here... we... go.

Lock this thread, it's going down in flames.

What did you expect? :P

For the record, I like what Nick has done with April. I like it when April's a badass and not a damsel in distress.

Konchadunga
12-09-2016, 03:57 PM
I might be annoyed at what all is being done with April, if it was depriving screen time from something I cared about more. As it stands, meh; not really.

The issues I do have with April are the issues I have with overpowered characters as a whole. Too much power is story-breaking in all directions; you either give your overpowered characters battles that pose no threat to them, or you downplay it in plots wherein everyone just wonders "Why don't they just--?" With April, their solution seems to be giving her powers that aren't hers alone, which I guess solved the problem, but at the expense of an absurdly cliched episode that ends with "Fighting From the Inside". When will that trope ever leave?!

Once again, though, this show's a boatload of cliches almost everywhere I look, so for me there's little reason to be mad at April in particular.

CyberCubed
12-09-2016, 04:58 PM
I don't recall April ever saving the day aside from a small handful of episodes, so its not a problem.

PApagreg
12-09-2016, 09:44 PM
You know its times like these that maybe the writers should've made April an amnesiac homeless girl with psychic powers, you know like Eleven from Stranger Things

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-09-2016, 09:56 PM
You know its times like these that maybe the writers should've made April an amnesiac homeless girl with psychic powers, y0u know like Eleven from Stranger Things

Maybe the writers should learn how to write interesting characters without the crutches of mutation or superpowers.

Hell, they can't even write SHREDDER now without resorting to mutation to keep him interesting.

ssjup81
12-09-2016, 11:27 PM
Maybe the writers should learn how to write interesting characters without the crutches of mutation or superpowers.

Hell, they can't even write SHREDDER now without resorting to mutation to keep him interesting.Better than movie 2....

DestronMirage22
12-09-2016, 11:31 PM
Maybe the writers should learn how to write interesting characters without the crutches of mutation or superpowers.

Hell, they can't even write SHREDDER now without resorting to mutation to keep him interesting.

This. So much this.

CyberCubed
12-10-2016, 12:09 AM
The Shredder is handled really well in this show, and Super Shredder was inevitable. The difference is this Shredder doesn't have any world domination plans in mind, so he has no overall endgame after killing Splinter/the Turtles.

FredWolfLeonardo
12-10-2016, 12:52 AM
The Shredder is handled really well in this show, and Super Shredder was inevitable. The difference is this Shredder doesn't have any world domination plans in mind, so he has no overall endgame after killing Splinter/the Turtles.

I never thought I'd say this, but I wholeheartedly agree with Cubed here. The Nick show is firing on all cylinders!

Sabacooza
12-10-2016, 12:57 AM
Firing on all cylinders? :lol:

CyberCubed
12-10-2016, 01:32 AM
Nick's Shredder is basically the closest thing to Mirage Shredder we have. This Shredder has no world domination plan like Fred Wolf, 4kids, Archie, or even IDW Shredder. He just wants revenge on Splinter.

victory_angel
12-10-2016, 02:49 AM
Nick's Shredder is basically the closest thing to Mirage Shredder we have. This Shredder has no world domination plan like Fred Wolf, 4kids, Archie, or even IDW Shredder. He just wants revenge on Splinter.

And they have established that the Shredder is short sighted in his desires to seek vengeance.

He is warned that more is going on in the city then they realize and they should look into it. Shredder says no...nothing matters more than his ambitions to destroy Hamato Yoshi and his followers.

He hands over the one person the Kraang want in their goals. Even though any person with a brain would have asked "Why would an alien race need a seemingly normal, insignificant, teenage girl?"

Karai learns the truth about what really happened to her mother. And Shredder even admits that yes he isn't truly her father. He is still delusional in his belief that his actions are justified.

He is warned by Tiger Claw that the Kraang are not to be trusted, and Shredder agrees they are dangerous, but feels the threat they pose is nothing compared his desires to avenge his petty ideals of reality.

Tiger Claw later on in Season three comes to Shredder and tells them that they do need to do something about the Kraang. Shredder just says 'It's on my "To Do" List, but I want Karai back first.'

He brainwashes Karai into being his dutiful daughter again, despite that only would only make her hate him more.

He is warned by Splinter and April that there is a situation going on that affects them both and those that matter to them. Shredder chooses to kill Splinter when they are trying to stop this threat, even though doing so dooms all humanity including Karai and himself.

And now he's choosing to go the route of Mutation to put him on the same level if not more so than Splinter and the turtles. Even though he was warned that the Mutagen is unstable and will not give him what he desires and would more likely destroy him then help him.

Aaronardo
12-10-2016, 09:06 AM
I agree these writers need to learn how to write a character without using mutation as a crutch, but dammit, Shredder is actually really well-written all throughout the show.

When you first see him, he's deadly, he's unstoppable, it seems like nobody can beat him. He always had a sense of power over anyone he faces. But around The Invasion, he began to slip. As a result of Karai's mutation, he lets his emotions get in the way of his actions, which is strange seeing as how he's normally a very emotionless, cold being. (Which, imo, is the only good thing to come out of that mutation).

As Season 3 continues on and we learn more about his past, you can see him dwindling in mental health. It's almost as if he's a good man stuck in the decisions of a hateful one, and he knows it, and has to live with the consequences. Until he sacrifices the entire world just to have his revenge on Yoshi.

Or, at least, that's what he was going to do, which is still pretty insane. As a last-ditch effort, and as a way to show he's gone batsh*t insane, Shredder, a man who has always been power-hungry as we clearly saw throughout the show, mutates himself to become even more powerful. And, if the show is going the direction I think it's going, his lust for power will indeed be his downfall.

tl;dr: This Shredder is the best-written Shredder in media outside of comics and there are many reasons as to why.

TMNTInsighter
12-10-2016, 04:38 PM
I agree these writers need to learn how to write a character without using mutation as a crutch, but dammit, Shredder is actually really well-written all throughout the show.

When you first see him, he's deadly, he's unstoppable, it seems like nobody can beat him. He always had a sense of power over anyone he faces. But around The Invasion, he began to slip. As a result of Karai's mutation, he lets his emotions get in the way of his actions, which is strange seeing as how he's normally a very emotionless, cold being. (Which, imo, is the only good thing to come out of that mutation).

As Season 3 continues on and we learn more about his past, you can see him dwindling in mental health. It's almost as if he's a good man stuck in the decisions of a hateful one, and he knows it, and has to live with the consequences. Until he sacrifices the entire world just to have his revenge on Yoshi.

Or, at least, that's what he was going to do, which is still pretty insane. As a last-ditch effort, and as a way to show he's gone batsh*t insane, Shredder, a man who has always been power-hungry as we clearly saw throughout the show, mutates himself to become even more powerful. And, if the show is going the direction I think it's going, his lust for power will indeed be his downfall.

tl;dr: This Shredder is the best-written Shredder in media outside of comics and there are many reasons as to why.

That's a good case and I agree that it's pretty much why he's the best written Shredder in animation.

Tarris Vaal
12-10-2016, 04:49 PM
While we're generally agreed Nick Shredder is a superior version of the character, and Nick April is rather more mixed reactions (I think it basically boils down to how you see her role in the group - whether its better she be in the action or more of a support role... either way...)

How do the people of the Drome feel generally about the other Nick variants? Karai for example I thought was probably one of her best versions of any iteration (certainly so prior to her mutation). I also really liked Slash and Leatherhead in the Nick series. How do others feel they compare?

TMNTInsighter
12-10-2016, 04:57 PM
While we're generally agreed Nick Shredder is a superior version of the character, and Nick April is rather more mixed reactions (I think it basically boils down to how you see her role in the group - whether its better she be in the action or more of a support role... either way...)

How do the people of the Drome feel generally about the other Nick variants? Karai for example I thought was probably one of her best versions of any iteration (certainly so prior to her mutation). I also really liked Slash and Leatherhead in the Nick series. How do others feel they compare?

I was definitely surprised with how well they pulled off Karai's new family roots and I for one liked her mutation and the episode it happened in. They just haven't done enough with her mutation up to this point.

This version of Slash is no doubt about it the best. He hasn't been as good after his first two-three episodes but "Slash and Destroy" is to me the best and most psychological episode of the series. It was that good!

Leatherhead is probably my favorite character in the series and surely the best version I've seen. It's true that he hasn't had as much screen time as he should have had and most of his interest stems from his relationship with Mikey, but LH has become such a key figure to the Mutanimals and he has enough character traits to stand on his own as a character when need be (and he's voiced great too!)

CyberCubed
12-10-2016, 05:22 PM
Slash is practically identical in this show and the IDW comics, although I have to give the nod to IDW as he's had a bit more character development here.

4kids Leatherhead and Mirage Leatherhead also had more focus than Nick's Leatherhead although he's good here too.

TigerClaw
12-10-2016, 05:46 PM
Slash is practically identical in this show and the IDW comics, although I have to give the nod to IDW as he's had a bit more character development here.

4kids Leatherhead and Mirage Leatherhead also had more focus than Nick's Leatherhead although he's good here too.
Plus Leaderhead on the Nick series is a couple of years older, due to how time passes in another dimension.

ssjup81
12-10-2016, 06:23 PM
While we're generally agreed Nick Shredder is a superior version of the character, and Nick April is rather more mixed reactions (I think it basically boils down to how you see her role in the group - whether its better she be in the action or more of a support role... either way...)

How do the people of the Drome feel generally about the other Nick variants? Karai for example I thought was probably one of her best versions of any iteration (certainly so prior to her mutation). I also really liked Slash and Leatherhead in the Nick series. How do others feel they compare?I really like Karai...before and after the mutation. I like how she can control her mutation now. I like her vengeance for Shredder and how she's an ally now.

Her progress throughout the series is interesting to me, and discovering that the man you saw as a father killed your mother and took you from your real family can't be easy to swallow. I'm glad that they only seemed to have her seem hesitant once when Leo and the others rescued her in Vengeance when she was looking up at Shredde before being pulled into the Shellraiser. I also like the fact that you see some traces of Shredder in her, especially at this point.

So yeah, I really like Karai, flaws (stubbornness) and all.

CyberCubed
12-10-2016, 06:25 PM
Karai's voice acting is also really well done and sells her character. In 4kids it felt too much like the VA was putting on this fake Japanese accent.

ssjup81
12-10-2016, 06:29 PM
Karai's voice acting is also really well done and sells her character. In 4kids it felt too much like the VA was putting on this fake Japanese accent.I can't help but wonder if Karai grew up in Japan or the US. It would explain her lack of a Japanese accent for this version if it's the latter.

oldmanwinters
12-10-2016, 06:29 PM
Overall, I'm cool with it.

CyberCubed
12-10-2016, 06:35 PM
I can't help but wonder if Karai grew up in Japan or the US. It would explain her lack of a Japanese accent for this version if it's the latter.

Shredder may have moved to New York directly after killing Tang Shen and defeating Splinter.

Don't even American raised Japanese kids speak with a little bit of accent though?

ssjup81
12-10-2016, 06:53 PM
Shredder may have moved to New York directly after killing Tang Shen and defeating Splinter.

Don't even American raised Japanese kids speak with a little bit of accent though?Not really. People usually sound like those in the area they grew up in.

I was born in New York, but grew up in Virginia. My parents moved when I was still 2, going on 3. My folks said I had an accent but soon faded since I was in a different environment.

Edit: Another example. I had a student here who's Korean. She (4th grade) and her sister (2nd). They'd been living in Korea but was on break from school and they had to attend some kind of school since in Japan with relatives. Both had grown up in the US (Hawaii and California) and because of their father's job, they were now residing in Korea, except for those months where they were in Japan. Both sounded like they were from the US, especially Californian. So yeah, people generally adapt the vernacular and pronunciation of what's around them, especially if young.

PApagreg
12-10-2016, 07:55 PM
I agree these writers need to learn how to write a character without using mutation as a crutch, but dammit, Shredder is actually really well-written all throughout the show.

When you first see him, he's deadly, he's unstoppable, it seems like nobody can beat him. He always had a sense of power over anyone he faces. But around The Invasion, he began to slip. As a result of Karai's mutation, he lets his emotions get in the way of his actions, which is strange seeing as how he's normally a very emotionless, cold being. (Which, imo, is the only good thing to come out of that mutation)..

I don't know Shredder has always been crazy, in season 1 he wanted a mutant army and if that doesn't sound crazy enough he allied himself with the Krang you know the alien species that wanted the destruction of the human race. Also I never consider the Nick Shredder to be emotionless he was pretty much an angry dude pretty since the beginning I neab sure you can argue that his rage was a little more controlled but I would't use the word emotionless to describe season 1 Nick Shredder.

As Season 3 continues on and we learn more about his past, you can see him dwindling in mental health. It's almost as if he's a good man stuck in the decisions of a hateful one, and he knows it, and has to live with the consequences. Until he sacrifices the entire world just to have his revenge on Yoshi.

Or, at least, that's what he was going to do, which is still pretty insane. As a last-ditch effort, and as a way to show he's gone batsh*t insane, Shredder, a man who has always been power-hungry as we clearly saw throughout the show, mutates himself to become even more powerful. And, if the show is going the direction I think it's going, his lust for power will indeed be his downfall

Again I never saw Shredder as a good man I mean the reason why he betrayed the Hamato Clan was because said clan killed a family who he never met(and yes I know Japan has strong values towards families and ancestors but come on at least Sasuke knew his family before Itachi killed them) and that Tang Shen preferred Yoshi's D over his.



How do the people of the Drome feel generally about the other Nick variants? Karai for example I thought was probably one of her best versions of any iteration (certainly so prior to her mutation). I also really liked Slash and Leatherhead in the Nick series. How do others feel they compare?

Well I definitely l prefer this Karai over her 2k3 version, the Nick Karai is more interesting in terms of backstory and personality while the 2k3 one was bland and had that "honor" crap that annoyed the hell out of me. Nick Slash is the best animated version but there isn't much of a contest and I prefer 2k3 Leatherhead.

I can't help but wonder if Karai grew up in Japan or the US. It would explain her lack of a Japanese accent for this version if it's the latter.

The girl is an international ninja she probably knows how do a number of accents.