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Katie
12-05-2016, 01:38 PM
I've been kind of fascinated by the fake news stuff that has come to light through this election cycle and how it affects how people make decisions and think about the world.

I didn't know if this was the right section for it, but I decided to make this thread after reading this story:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/05/504404675/man-fires-rifle-inside-d-c-pizzeria-cites-fictitious-conspiracy-theories

There have literally been hundreds of these types of stories where people prefer to believe fake clickbait type "news" instead of fact checking. Simply because it fits their narrative.

Here's a story about a guy who makes fake news and why he does it:

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

So, if this is going to be an ongoing thing, and people now seem to get most of their news from Facebook and twitter, how do you combat all the misinformation that is out there...or how do you break the internet echo chamber?

I thought this might be a neat discussion to have.

FredWolfLeonardo
12-05-2016, 01:39 PM
People shouldn't take what they hear from social media and accept it blindly. Equal to blame as the spreaders of fake news are the people who believe it just because its the news.

TheSkeletonMan939
12-05-2016, 01:46 PM
The reason people fall for conspiracy theories is that they all (the good ones, anyway) are based around one nugget of truth. The nugget of truth for this pizza conspiracy is that the leaked emails did contain mentions of the word "pizza", which one could, possibly, interpret as a code word for something sneaky.

Autbot_Benz
12-05-2016, 01:47 PM
why do you think people love Fox News so much :lol:

plastroncafe
12-05-2016, 01:48 PM
The internet will make Florida Man of us all.

The best, and honestly the only, way to combat this sort of thing is:
http://misszoot.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/constantvigilance.png

And when someone makes a claim that seems fishy, or just too good to be true, be sure to ask:
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/files/2015/05/citation-needed.jpg

Katie
12-05-2016, 01:49 PM
I really think that people are too lazy to fact check, personally. That and they prefer to believe things that fit their narrative. I mean, who doesn't want some kind of confirmation that what they think is right? Problem is, the internet makes it super easy for gullible people to pick and choose their facts.

I also think people tend to believe their social media friends over the big bad mainstream media so even if every legit news source out their says a fake news story is fake, people just think its a cover up conspiracy or that the media is protecting the subject.

How do you fight that? Are we doomed to live in a world where people make worl impacting decisions based on click bait?

plastroncafe
12-05-2016, 01:53 PM
Sadly, yes.
I mean, think of how long it took people to accept Heliocentrism, or that the world was round.

Hell, we've still got people who don't believe people have been to the Moon.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-05-2016, 01:55 PM
Confirmation bias.

And Plastron, you shut your damn mouth! The lizard people get angry when we insist we've been to the moon... :tshifty:

TheSkeletonMan939
12-05-2016, 02:02 PM
I mean, think of how long it took people to accept Heliocentrism, or that the world was round.

I hear the Flat-Earther movement is making a comeback, actually! Any of you guys going to join the trend?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-05-2016, 02:04 PM
I hear the Flat-Earther movement is making a comeback, actually! Any of you guys going to join the trend?

Remember when Neil deGrasse Tyson blasted BoB with that rap? Good times. :tcool:

plastroncafe
12-05-2016, 02:07 PM
https://pics.onsizzle.com/the-flat-earth-society-has-members-all-around-the-globe-4278651.png

Prowler
12-05-2016, 03:20 PM
We live in the social media era, so no wonder such fake news have been on the rise in the last few years. People taking random tweets seriously and stuff like that.

Clickbait works, I'm afraid. And while Buzzfeed is notorious for that, it's sad how reputable media outlets resort to that tactic as well.

As for conspiracy theories, they come up because, sometimes a certain amount of people doesn't believe the facts and thus try to find different ones. All of them end up getting to a ridiculous level. See 9/11 conspiracy theories. "Jet fuel can't melt steam beams~!" and so on.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-05-2016, 03:20 PM
We live in the social media era, so no wonder such fake news have been on the rise in the last few years. People taking random tweets seriously and stuff like that.

Clickbait works, I'm afraid. And while Buzzfeed is notorious for that, it's sad how reputable media outlets resort to that tactic as well.

As for conspiracy theories, they come up because, sometimes a certain amount of people doesn't believe the facts and thus try to find different ones. All of them end up getting to a ridiculous level. See 9/11 conspiracy theories. "Jet fuel can't melt steam beams~!" and so on.

The lizard people are watching you, Prowler.

... And they are very, very unhappy with you.

Prowler
12-05-2016, 03:23 PM
The lizard people are watching you, Prowler.

... And they are very, very unhappy with you.
Who are these lizard people and what is their main purpose? hell where do they come from? I thought the Jews and the Illuminati were behind everything, but turns out there's someone above them?!

TigerClaw
12-05-2016, 03:29 PM
The whole Fake News thing is getting out of hand.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/05/media/fake-news-real-violence-pizzagate/index.html

snake
12-05-2016, 04:34 PM
Sadly, yes.
I mean, think of how long it took people to accept Heliocentrism, or that the world was round.

Hell, we've still got people who don't believe people have been to the Moon.

I talked to Kubrick yesterday and he confirmed that the moon-landing, indeed, is a hoax

Prowler
12-05-2016, 04:49 PM
Sadly, yes.
I mean, think of how long it took people to accept Heliocentrism, or that the world was round.

Hell, we've still got people who don't believe people have been to the Moon.
And don't forget the Flat Earth Society.

DestronMirage22
12-05-2016, 04:58 PM
Who are these lizard people and what is their main purpose? hell where do they come from? I thought the Jews and the Illuminati were behind everything, but turns out there's someone above them?!

The conspiracy is REAL!!1!11!!! Look at the signs sheeple and you will see!

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-05-2016, 06:24 PM
I love these little talks.

DestronMirage22
12-05-2016, 06:27 PM
I love these little talks.

I've been having fun as well. :P

ProactiveMan
12-05-2016, 06:33 PM
I find the people who buy into phoney information less interesting than the ones who make it up. Whenever I used to get one of those chain emails about necrotic spider bites, snap frozen ocean waves, or bizarre essays attributed to Bill Cosby, Iíd wonder who wrote them, and what on Earth they got out of it? Do they get off fooling people or are they some weird type of half-assed anarchists or something? Or do they like to look smart Ė a lot of those emails had real, undoctored photos in them, but the descriptions were completely fabricated. And why did they like Comic Sans so much?

TheSkeletonMan939
12-05-2016, 06:42 PM
And why did they like Comic Sans so much?

It's the official font of the mad.

MsMarvelDuckie
12-06-2016, 01:58 PM
Guys c'mon! It's because fake news is almost always more interesting that the real tbing. Watch the regular news for a week, and you'll see what I mean. The fake stories are much more intriguing.

Wesley
12-07-2016, 09:51 AM
Guys c'mon! It's because fake news is almost always more interesting that the real tbing. Watch the regular news for a week, and you'll see what I mean. The fake stories are much more intriguing.

I agree. I find Waterford whispers to be a fun fake news website to read for that same reason.

Katie
12-07-2016, 08:28 PM
I think satire is fine and funny news too....its when fake news is presented as the truth and gullible folks believe it is when it becomes a problem.

I kinda feel like there are more gullible people than people who ate smart enough to know how to spot fake stuff.

MsMarvelDuckie
12-07-2016, 08:37 PM
What gave it away? :trazz:

Refractive Reflections
12-09-2016, 01:25 AM
It's only become a significant problem recently after the election results didn't favor the establishment, and with the mainstream media losing their credibility, they're losing their audience with alternative/independent news sources such as Drudgereport.com, dailycaller.com, etc. are competing with more known corporate-run news sources like msnbc.com, nbcnews.com in terms of website views. (https://www.quantcast.com/top-sites/US/2)


The Washington Post on Thursday night promoted the claims of a new, shadowy organization that smears dozens of U.S. news sites that are critical of U.S. foreign policy as being “routine peddlers of Russian propaganda.” The article by reporter Craig Timberg — headlined “Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say” — cites a report by an anonymous website calling itself PropOrNot, which claims that millions of Americans have been deceived this year in a massive Russian “misinformation campaign.”

The group’s list of Russian disinformation outlets includes WikiLeaks and the Drudge Report, as well as Clinton-critical left-wing websites such as Truthout, Black Agenda Report, Truthdig, and Naked Capitalism, as well as libertarian venues such as Antiwar.com and the Ron Paul Institute.

This Post report was one of the most widely circulated political news articles on social media over the last 48 hours, with dozens, perhaps hundreds, of U.S. journalists and pundits with large platforms hailing it as an earth-shattering exposť. It was the most-read piece on the entire Post website on Friday after it was published.

Yet the article is rife with obviously reckless and unproven allegations, and fundamentally shaped by shoddy, slothful journalistic tactics. It was not surprising to learn that, as BuzzFeed’s Sheera Frenkel noted, “a lot of reporters passed on this story.” Its huge flaws are self-evident. But the Post gleefully ran with it and then promoted it aggressively, led by its Executive Editor Marty Baron.

...

The Washington Post should be very proud: It staked a major part of its news story on the unverified, untestable assertions of this laughable organization.

One of the core functions of PropOrNot appears to be its compilation of a lengthy blacklist of news and political websites that it smears as peddlers of “Russian propaganda.” Included on this blacklist of supposed propaganda outlets are prominent independent left-wing news sites such as Truthout, Naked Capitalism, Black Agenda Report, Consortium News, and Truthdig.

Also included are popular libertarian hubs such as Zero Hedge, Antiwar.com, and the Ron Paul Institute, along with the hugely influential right-wing website the Drudge Report and the publishing site WikiLeaks. Far-right, virulently anti-Muslim blogs such as Bare Naked Islam are likewise dubbed Kremlin mouthpieces. Basically, everyone who isn’t comfortably within the centrist Hillary Clinton/Jeb Bush spectrum is guilty. On its Twitter account, the group announced a new “plugin” that automatically alerts the user that a visited website has been designated by the group to be a Russian propaganda outlet.


https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/washington-post-disgracefully-promotes-a-mccarthyite-blacklist-from-a-new-hidden-and-very-shady-group/


Whether the piece is real or not, it exposes a bigger problem. The point of the column is that if you consume information with which you disagree, you will become brainwashed and eventually someone you don’t recognize. Better not to take that chance! We joke about safe spaces, but the Guardian took seriously the idea that we need to create a safe space for ourselves where no alternative opinions can enter, lest we find that we are unable to digest unapproved thoughts without becoming a monster.

And that’s what the push against “fake news” is really all about. It’s a way to marginalize all nonliberal voices and blur the lines between viral sites pushing questionable content and reliable outlets with which we may just disagree. Obama wants you to think the one major cable network consistently critical of him is brainwashing the population by beaming its talking points into bargoers’ pints. (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/obama-on-his-legacy-trumps-win-and-the-path-forward-w452527)

An echo chamber like the one pushed in the anonymous Guardian piece is much more of a problem in news consumption than inaccurate information. The more “curated” the media becomes, the less likely we are to hear opposing viewpoints and to have ours challenged. That’s a bug, not a feature.

http://nypost.com/2016/12/04/the-war-on-fake-news-is-all-about-censoring-real-news/


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IndigoErth
12-09-2016, 08:54 AM
I think what bugs me most about it is that many of the same people who eagerly believe this fake news garbage probably also believe, thanks to the rantings of politicians and public figures, that the media is evil and can't be trusted. :roll: Gosh no, legit news sources (biases aside) are bad, but hey, here's a wacky conspiracy, lets go shoot up a restaurant!

While I totally support freedom of speech, it's to the point that it sometimes seems that there should maybe be a limit against abusing it. Purposely provoking and fear mongering need penalties... People who want power know all too well that many can be controlled through fear and I despise people who use that.


The further we get into this century the more I come to despise this species. Not that stupidity doesn't predate the 21st century by a long shot. I used to joke that humanity has peaked and minds are starting to rot, but hell, maybe there's some truth to it. *sigh* One day humanity will finally choke on it's hypocrisy and the rest of the planet will finally get some relief.

plastroncafe
12-09-2016, 01:02 PM
It's only become a significant problem recently after the election results didn't favor the establishment...

Oh you sweet summer child...

Fake news is only a recent problem, because before...in ye olden teims, we just up and called it either Lying or Being Wrong.

Utrommaniac
12-09-2016, 01:06 PM
Let me tell you about a little thing called "yellow journalism".

This is its conspiracy theorist brother.

plastroncafe
12-09-2016, 01:08 PM
No no no, don't you see?
There's no such thing as American History prior to 1980.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-09-2016, 01:56 PM
No no no, don't you see?
There's no such thing as American History prior to 1980.

You are four years off from making a great literary joke. Try a little harder next time, mkay?

plastroncafe
12-09-2016, 01:59 PM
Look, I don't have time for your "maths" I'm still at war with East Asia.
I have always been at war with East Asia.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-09-2016, 02:41 PM
Look, I don't have time for your "maths" I'm still at war with East Asia.
I have always been at war with East Asia.

You just want their opium, tea, and silk. You damned Colonial.

Katie
12-09-2016, 02:43 PM
I don't think the Russians are behind fake news. I my OP you'll see quoted a story about a guy who makes fake news. He's from California. He makes $40,000 a month on average from ad revenue...by baiting ignorant people with "red meat" as he calls it.

Another story I saw had a bunch of teenagers in Eastern Europe doing the same thing for the same reason.

The sad thing is that most Americans are so ignorant and naive that the can't really tell what is real and what isn't.

Ignorant people believe that politicians are running a human traffic ring out of a pizza place....and go shoot it up...because some dumb sh!t on 4chan put a fake news story out for the lulz and some conspiracy loving radio host picked up the bone and ran. This is America, folks.

Ignorant people are gonna be our downfall.

snake
12-09-2016, 04:38 PM
If you're stupid enough to believe it, you deserve it.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
12-09-2016, 06:15 PM
If you're stupid enough to believe it, you deserve it.

Don't speak about our grandparents that way. They're still getting over the fact that Ronald Reagan is dead.

IndigoErth
12-10-2016, 06:02 PM
If you're stupid enough to believe it, you deserve it.
Only problem is that innocent bystanders tend to pay for it when it goes too far. :ohwell:

Prowler
12-11-2016, 01:24 AM
Don't speak about our grandparents that way. They're still getting over the fact that Ronald Reagan is dead.
Ah the 80s. The height of the right wing baby boomers all over the West.

A shame a big part of the right-wing has such a hard on for neo-liberalism.

Leonardo_thebest
12-12-2016, 03:19 PM
It doesn't bother any of you that you're combating fake news with propaganda?

And the machine continues to churn, churn churn...

The less you know, I suppose. Your anger is worth sooooo much.

plastroncafe
12-12-2016, 03:22 PM
Fake news IS propaganda.

Shark_Blade
12-12-2016, 08:15 PM
Well there are very many who trust fake news blindly without proof checking.

Example like nowadays on Facebook and whatsapp; people just forward unverified messages. Pretty much everyone's friends and family members experiences this phenomenon.

I don't give a damn about those idiots, it's their own foolishness. They refuse to use their own brain = their loss.

ProactiveMan
12-12-2016, 10:31 PM
Unfortunately itís difficult to tell who is full of it. People can check the information they get from the news, but they can mostly only check it against other second or third-hand sources. Who is telling the whole, unvarnished truth, and can we trust our own judgement to recognise it when we see it?

These days journalists are paid per page view, and with the amount of content they have to produce to keep the lights on, they seem to be cutting a lot of corners. How many stories do we see nowadays that originate from sources on Twitter, or Reddit? A lot of the time theyíre anonymous, but even when they arenít, how can we be sure that they are who they say they are? Journalists wonít say, and thatís their prerogative, but I suspect that they donít always know. How often are these sources actively manipulating the media for their own ends?

Itís no secret that PR companies and ad agencies know where the mediaís flaws and blind-spots are, and exploit them. On top of that is the issue of corporate media ownership, bringing everything from cooked political polls to fake movie critics (look up David Manning some time, itís hilarious)