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TigerClaw
12-27-2016, 11:03 AM
Its been 27 years since Double Dragon 3 came out in 1990, and on Jan 20th 2017 Double Dragon 4 will be coming out on PS4 and Steam, Most of the original developers for the original arcade game are involved in developing the sequel.

The new game will be released for the 30th Anniversary of the original Double Dragon arcade game.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/26/14081828/double-dragon-4-pc-ps4-launch-date

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AT-Man
12-27-2016, 11:10 AM
DD2 is a fantastic game and I'm glad this one's in the same style.

The Deadman
12-27-2016, 11:16 AM
Ill be buying it day one.

sdp
12-27-2016, 11:30 AM
Never played any of them, any reason to check one out? It seems one of those series that paved the way for the genre but because of it isn't what would now be considered good and can't appreciate unless you played it back then.

Andrew NDB
12-27-2016, 11:33 AM
Uh... what, are they not counting Super Double Dragon? This should be Double Dragon 6.

http://s.emuparadise.org/Super%20Nintendo/Snaps/Super%20Double%20Dragon%20(U).png

http://s.emuparadise.org/Super%20Nintendo/Snaps/Double%20Dragon%20V%20-%20The%20Shadow%20Falls%20(U).png

This is bullsh*t.

Its been 27 years since Double Dragon 3 came out in 1990,

But only 22 years since Double Dragon 5 came out in 1994, and 24 years since Super Double Dragon in 1992. This is probably just going to be a Mega Man 9-like 8 bit recreation that wants you to forget the SNES+ versions of games to give the hipsters of today their nostalgic jollies.

sdp
12-27-2016, 11:51 AM
Uh... what, are they not counting Super Double Dragon? This should be Double Dragon 5.

http://s.emuparadise.org/Super%20Nintendo/Snaps/Super%20Double%20Dragon%20(U).png

This is bullsh*t.



But only 24 years since Super Double Dragon came out in October, 1992. This is probably just going to be a Mega Man 9-like 8 bit recreation that wants you to forget the SNES+ versions of games to give the hipsters of today their nostalgic jollies.

Well this is normal since it automatically gives it a "it's a sequel to what you liked". The Mega Man example did respect the numbers though since 7 came out on SNES and 8 in 9 on PSX. You even see it in music I remember when Korn released "III" so you'd know it was going to be like the first two.

Ignoring Super DD wouldn't be such a bad thing since it's technically not "IV" but the fact that "V" was made after for the SNES retroactively made Super number IV but I guess this IV will be the "real" IV and all this time it was missing :lol:

Andrew NDB
12-27-2016, 12:04 PM
Ignoring Super DD wouldn't be such a bad thing since it's technically not "IV" but the fact that "V" was made after for the SNES retroactively made Super number IV but I guess this IV will be the "real" IV and all this time it was missing :lol:

Oh yeah, I forgot about 5. But still... this more more than a bit dodgy.

Prowler
12-27-2016, 12:23 PM
Never played any of them, any reason to check one out? It seems one of those series that paved the way for the genre but because of it isn't what would now be considered good and can't appreciate unless you played it back then.
Pretty much my thoughts as well. I played a bit of the first two DD games back in 2008 or so and I wasn't a big fan of them. They were clearly dated. I'd rather just play Final Fight 2 or one of those Konami TMNT beat 'em ups such as TiT and the original arcade game.

I might play this game, though. It seems it's gonna look exactly like the NES DD games, but I wonder if the gameplay will have some changes in order to make it more suitable for today's gameplay standards?

And as for your convo with Andrew about DD series... what about that crossover with the Battletoads lol? Where does that one fit in.

Andrew NDB
12-27-2016, 12:26 PM
And what about this?

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sdp
12-27-2016, 12:34 PM
DD V Battletoads is a spinoff and I guess Super DD is now a spin-off :lol: But apparently DD V is based on the cartoon so maybe it's not canon? haha

I used to love the toys of the DD cartoon but I never did watch too many episodes to form an opinion. And I watched the DD movie as a kid and loved it, I've been curious to check it out since I was very young and it's considered beyond terrible but who knows.

Prowler
12-27-2016, 12:34 PM
I can't help but think Billy's real name is Bimmy. Oh AVGN...

TigerClaw
12-27-2016, 12:45 PM
Yeah Super Double Dragon was the 4th game, but strictly for the SNES, I don't think it counted as a continuation of the NES games, Which is why this new game is a direct sequel to the NES games.

Andrew NDB
12-27-2016, 12:52 PM
Yeah Super Double Dragon was the 4th game, but strictly for the SNES, I don't think it counted as a continuation of the NES games,

Why wouldn't it? It was a new story that took place after 1-3.

TigerClaw
12-27-2016, 12:56 PM
Why wouldn't it? It was a new story that took place after 1-3.
What if Double Dragon 4 is a prequel and takes place right after 3, But before Super Double Dragon? Then it would make more sense.

Cure
12-27-2016, 02:53 PM
That looks really ******.

TigerClaw
12-27-2016, 03:26 PM
That looks really ******.
By ****** I think you meant that it looks like 8-bit, which is a good direction for this, there been remakes of this game and they failed to capture the essence of the original.

Prowler
12-27-2016, 03:28 PM
By ****** I think you meant that it looks like 8-bit, which is a good direction for this, there been remakes of this game and they failed to capture the essence of the original.
It looks WAY too much like the original. At first I had to double check if I was looking at the trailer of the upcoming remake or just at footage form the NES games.

Andrew NDB
12-27-2016, 03:34 PM
Wait, that was actual gameplay footage? I thought they were just taking us down memory lane of Double Dragon 1-3.

Prowler
12-27-2016, 03:36 PM
Wait, that was actual gameplay footage? I thought they were just taking us down memory lane of Double Dragon 1-3.
I know, right? It says Teaser Trailer in the title... but God I hope it was just a nostalgia trip. But what point would there be in not showing us what the NEW game would look like at all?!

DestronMirage22
12-27-2016, 04:12 PM
Damn, I'm impressed. Wonder if it'll be as hard as the NES ones; I hope not. I was never able to beat any of the NES DD games, a fact that pisses me off to this day. :flaming: (I was able to beat the 1st NES TMNT game, without much problems, but failed at DD right at the end every time. :cry:)

Edit: Oh, and **** PS/PC exclusivity.

Storm Eagle
12-27-2016, 08:01 PM
Damn, I'm impressed. Wonder if it'll be as hard as the NES ones; I hope not. I was never able to beat any of the NES DD games, a fact that pisses me off to this day. :flaming: (I was able to beat the 1st NES TMNT game, without much problems, but failed at DD right at the end every time. :cry:)



I wasn't able to defeat Abobo at the end of the first level of the first game, but I did finish the second DD.

Ninjinister
12-30-2016, 02:10 PM
Double Dragon Neon was f**king lit. I don't know why Arc keeps going back to the 8-bit well with this and the Kunio series. Technos allowed both series to evolve on the Super NES and beyond but now we're right back where we started. And this is coming from someone who owns and loves River City Sports Challenge All-Stars on PS3.

Andrew NDB
12-30-2016, 07:01 PM
Double Dragon Neon was f**king lit. I don't know why Arc keeps going back to the 8-bit well with this and the Kunio series. Technos allowed both series to evolve on the Super NES and beyond but now we're right back where we started.

Yep. What's old is... old again. Wait, huh?

oldmanwinters
01-01-2017, 11:11 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic, because I've been starved for a new DD entry, but looking at that teaser just screams "rush job" and even "rom hack." I hope to enjoy it eventually, but it would be a shame if this one turns into as big a stinker as Double Dragon II: Wander of the Dragons, and I don't know enough about the publisher and/or developer to have genuine confidence in the project.

Cure
01-02-2017, 12:18 AM
By ****** I think you meant that it looks like 8-bit, which is a good direction for this, there been remakes of this game and they failed to capture the essence of the original.

No, I meant it looks ******.

Coola Yagami
01-03-2017, 05:09 PM
I just hope it's actually playable and not 3 lives and no continues or hell, one life and no continues. I know being Nintendo tough made these games but maybe take the middle ground between choosing say 3 lives and 3 continues or just 3 lives no continues. Give new fans a fighting chance.

Coola Yagami
01-03-2017, 05:18 PM
By ****** I think you meant that it looks like 8-bit, which is a good direction for this, there been remakes of this game and they failed to capture the essence of the original.

Well... the original was the kick ass 2 player arcade, not the one player wannabe that had you level up just to use the moves you already had in the arcade. Needless to say I was very surprised and disappointed to play the NES one back when it was new after kicking all sorts ass in the arcade version.

DDNEON actually captured the essential of both the real arcade and the extra traps and side scrolling elements of the 8bit versions.

TigerClaw
01-03-2017, 08:16 PM
Well... the original was the kick ass 2 player arcade, not the one player wannabe that had you level up just to use the moves you already had in the arcade. Needless to say I was very surprised and disappointed to play the NES one back when it was new after kicking all sorts ass in the arcade version.

DDNEON actually captured the essential of both the real arcade and the extra traps and side scrolling elements of the 8bit versions.
Double Dragon 2 on the NES had 2 players and was pretty good, Its one of the games on the NES Classic Edition.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
01-05-2017, 05:19 AM
Super Double Dragon was great, but critizised for not showing up what SNES could do when it came to graphics.

oldmanwinters
01-06-2017, 01:03 AM
I just hope it's actually playable and not 3 lives and no continues or hell, one life and no continues. I know being Nintendo tough made these games but maybe take the middle ground between choosing say 3 lives and 3 continues or just 3 lives no continues. Give new fans a fighting chance.

Maybe they'll make it "pay to play" in regards to extra credits? Nothing would surprise me these days.

Logan
01-06-2017, 10:07 PM
HELL. YES.

This is the first I've heard of this game. I love the Double Dragon series. Glad to see a new game in the retro style. I'm hoping it measures up.

Ninjinister
01-07-2017, 02:17 AM
Maybe they'll make it "pay to play" in regards to extra credits? Nothing would surprise me these days.

Like Double Dragon 3 did in the arcades?

oldmanwinters
01-10-2017, 05:09 PM
Man, nary a word about this since the announcement. I was hoping it would be listed on Steam for pre-order, but I guess we'll all have to wait until launch day to see if it's a gem, a stinker, or a ho-hum way to pass the time.

An old fan site I've enjoyed over the years is Double Dragon Dojo, which is pretty thorough on the franchise. The admin shares my disappointment over the graphics looking like a rom-hack, however, the newest post notes "it's apparently being directed by the Double Dragon series creator, Yoshihisa Kishimoto, which means that the quality should be there."
http://doubledragon.kontek.net/

Of course, if Mighty no.9 taught the internet anything, it's to be cautious even with old, seasoned director involvement.

Coola Yagami
01-10-2017, 08:12 PM
Man, nary a word about this since the announcement. I was hoping it would be listed on Steam for pre-order, but I guess we'll all have to wait until launch day to see if it's a gem, a stinker, or a ho-hum way to pass the time.

An old fan site I've enjoyed over the years is Double Dragon Dojo, which is pretty thorough on the franchise. The admin shares my disappointment over the graphics looking like a rom-hack, however, the newest post notes "it's apparently being directed by the Double Dragon series creator, Yoshihisa Kishimoto, which means that the quality should be there."
http://doubledragon.kontek.net/

Of course, if Mighty no.9 taught the internet anything, it's to be cautious even with old, seasoned director involvement.

It feels weird, even though the NES trilogy were poor adaptations, they were still adaptations. This'll be the first um.. '8-bit' game without a arcade game to adapt. That's almost like making a new NARC game but being a sequel to the NES version instead of the arcade.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
01-17-2017, 04:32 PM
I loved the original Double Dragon videogames.

Andrew NDB
01-17-2017, 04:52 PM
That's almost like making a new NARC game

Oooh, I remember the NARC arcade game. Awesome.

Coola Yagami
01-17-2017, 07:04 PM
Oooh, I remember the NARC arcade game. Awesome.

Yeah but imagine getting an 8bit sequel?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
01-18-2017, 06:19 AM
I recall Super Double Dragon being critizised for bad graphics for being SNES.

oldmanwinters
01-20-2017, 07:47 AM
Info!
http://gematsu.com/2017/01/double-dragon-iv-details-background-modes-characters

Plus Official website:
http://www.arcsystemworks.jp/dd4/

Apparently, Double Dragon II: The Revenge is now subsequent to DDIII: The Rosetta Stone in the NES timeline. Enemy characters are unlockable for story mode.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
01-20-2017, 01:38 PM
DDIII: The Rosetta Stone in the NES timeline.

Always liked that videogame!

oldmanwinters
01-27-2017, 12:31 PM
3 days away from launch and the game is finally listed on the Steam store, but not for pre-order.

A new trailer video explains more of the (probably convoluted) story. Apparently, Marian does get kidnapped again... and the brothers head to Japan... and face a mysterious enemy who is pulling the strings to unite all their former enemy gangs.

My guess is that Marian gets revealed to be under some kinda of spell or something and be at least one of the mystery bosses.

And the official website has now added "Actions" and "Special" sections to the main page. Certainly lots of techniques.

oldmanwinters
01-29-2017, 10:15 PM
First review I've been able to find and it's rather "ho hum."
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/double_dragon_iv/b/playstation4/archive/2017/01/29/double-dragon-iv-review-game-informer.aspx

TigerClaw
01-30-2017, 05:20 AM
First review I've been able to find and it's rather "ho hum."
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/double_dragon_iv/b/playstation4/archive/2017/01/29/double-dragon-iv-review-game-informer.aspx
Sounds like someone doesn't like its retro style gameplay.

Ninjinister
01-30-2017, 09:14 PM
Sounds like someone doesn't like its retro style gameplay.

I haven't seen a positive review yet. And I'd say with good reason. NES DD has aged horribly.

oldmanwinters
01-31-2017, 08:10 PM
Time for my take.

Overall, I enjoy the game. For the Steam price, it's a decent buy if you are a Double Dragon completist... of which I'm probably one of the few, I guess.

But the game has real problems, which makes it a disappointment for me, because I believe it could have been much better.

I did not expect to beat the story mode on my first playthrough, but I succeeded on my very last life. Overall, the game is too easy and only provides a challenge when: (a) 5-6 enemies rush you and cheap shot you while attacking another foe or (b) attacks that deplete half your life bar seen late in the game by Ashida, Casey, and Shannon. (What a bunch of stupid boss villain names, BTW).

Speaking of the new characters... I really like the Jake character's wild wrestling moveset and the weird body slams seen by some of the later Abobo variations. Kodani the sumo wrestler looks cool, but moves so slow that he's only dangerous to hit you when you are distracted fighting another enemy. I found Casey & Shannon to be the lamest final bosses of any Double Dragon game. Apparently, they aren't... all bad... at the end of the day? Dumb ending.
I ripped all the cutscenes and put them here (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/slimer2erasmus/Double%20Dragon%20IV%20cutscenes/story).

I can't complain about the responsiveness of the controls. The uppercuts, hurricane kicks, and knee kicks are ridiculously easy to pull off. Standard jumps and walking off ledges are far more reliable than they were in the DDII platforming sections. I can't say I ever died in this game because of frustration with the controls. One thing I found annoying was the odd way I hold my Xbox controller to simultaneously press down A & B buttons on every attack kinda makes my hand hurt, so I guess I need to reconfigure the layout.

The storyline is a disappointment to me, even though I know better than to expect anything ambitious. But the developers made the decision to make this a direct followup to DDII NES... which features one of the most epic endings despite its confusingness. I was hoping that meant this game would build upon the legacy of the Mysterious Warrior and that cryptic "Legend of the Shadow": "If the illusion spreads, the evil will live again. But if two dragons soar through the sky, an angel will fall to the earth. . . . Soon I will die and you will join me." So... what's that mean? I was hoping this game would take a shot at some imaginative interpretation of that ominous warning. But no... this game is all about two angry women trying to take over the world with handguns until Billy and Jimmy tell them there's a better way to live. The whole plot twist with Marion's kidnapping just feels like a joke for old time's sake (http://vid9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/slimer2erasmus/Double%20Dragon%20IV%20cutscenes/Double%20Dragon%20IV%20Marion%201_30_2017%2011_07_ 02%20PM_zpsqi8atlgs.mp4).

There's a number of glitches to this game, which I'm seeing posted online, but the most obvious one is that almost every stage allows the player to gain immunity to most enemy attacks by moving to the absolute bottom or top of the screen.

The biggest problem I have with this game is the pacing, the most underrated aspect of DDII NES and the thing that ruined DDIII NES for me more than anything else. DDII was very strategic about enemy placement and reveals, never forcing you to fight more than two enemies simultaneously but making creative use of environments to create real difficulty. Every boss or mini-boss appearance became a tense ordeal, and there was no need to throw extra minions at the player because the challenge was real. DDIII, on the other hand, maintained the limit of 2 enemies at a time but made the poor choice to simply rush the player with all enemies before even having opportunity to walk across the screen. There's a very similar problem with DDIV. Some stages have some interactivity and even some crafty enemy placement, but most of the game just rushes you with 4 to 6 rogues at once. Once you beat them, you simply walk quietly to the end of the stage to proceed to the next room. Poor pacing, not honoring the tradition of DDII.

I haven't had opportunity to play any of the 2-player modes, but I've tried the Tower Battle a few times and always get busted around floor #24 when the angry women with guns show up and deplete my life bar with a well-placed bullet.

TigerClaw
02-02-2017, 04:44 PM
Here is IGN's review, They gave it a 3.5

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ProactiveMan
02-07-2017, 09:43 PM
What a horse's ass.

"The game they purposely designed to look and play like an 8-bit arcade port, looks and plays like an 8-bit arcade port. 3.5/10!"

oldmanwinters
02-07-2017, 10:39 PM
What a horse's ass.

"The game they purposely designed to look and play like an 8-bit arcade port, looks and plays like an 8-bit arcade port. 3.5/10!"

I'll stand by all my stated criticisms of this game, but the graphics have nothing to do with the game's problems. I haven't been able to take IGN reviews seriously in years. They sometimes critique a game simply for existing in an age where other genres are more popular with modern audiences, never respecting the fact that some people (not necessarily the mainstream masses they covet for their site traffic) still do appreciate the simple platformer/beat em' up.

ProactiveMan
02-08-2017, 03:47 AM
I'll stand by all my stated criticisms of this game, but the graphics have nothing to do with the game's problems. I haven't been able to take IGN reviews seriously in years. They sometimes critique a game simply for existing in an age where other genres are more popular with modern audiences, never respecting the fact that some people (not necessarily the mainstream masses they covet for their site traffic) still do appreciate the simple platformer/beat em' up.

Yeah, your review is pretty fair.

I don't know that I'm totally on-board with the game being an NES throwback, but don't think it's fair to criticize something for not being something else. Some of these reviewers are kind of all over the place too - like, they all loved Undertale even though it plays like an anachronism and looks like it was fired out of Pac-Man's butt.

Ninjinister
08-28-2017, 06:51 PM
Coming to Switch in a little over a week. (http://www.siliconera.com/2017/08/28/double-dragon-iv-heading-nintendo-switch)