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Shellington
01-01-2017, 11:35 AM
Each TMNT season finale has Splinter end up in mortal peril.

Season 1 - He gets into a fight with Shredder and nearly loses his life.

Season 2 - Shredder helps the Krang invade Earth and he attacks and seriously wounds Splinter.

Season 3 - Shredder stabs Splinter in the back, and the Turtles travel in time to prevent it.

Season 4 - He loses his life in a fight with Shredder.


I don't think Splinter should die in the climax of each season. It comes off as repetitive and it makes Splinter look somewhat foolish.

Splinter the boss
01-01-2017, 11:51 AM
What! Splinter is dead?!

ssjup81
01-01-2017, 11:52 AM
The ONLY time where Splinter died was season three and this season. The other two times, he didn't and there was nothing even remotely hinting at it. With the other two, it was set up as, "How will he get out of the situation"'or "what happened to him". I personally never thought he died for season 1 or 2, especially 2 after what Mikey said when calming down Raph. Seemed like foreshadowing to me that he would survive.

People get knocked out in battle all the time.

Vicky82
01-01-2017, 11:56 AM
He ain't going to die in season 5 final, he's already dead. :P

But anyway this time he's permanently dead, he ain't coming back but we will still see him in visions, memories ect.

Season 5 will be a new chapter for the turtles. Leo will now be the head of the family as well as leader, he will be under a lot more pressure to keep his family and friends safe from harm. His 3 brothers will be going to Leo for advice and Leo will now be doing the training.

ssjup81
01-01-2017, 12:27 PM
He ain't going to die in season 5 final, he's already dead. :P

But anyway this time he's permanently dead, he ain't coming back but we will still see him in visions, memories ect.

Season 5 will be a new chapter for the turtles. Leo will now be the head of the family as well as leader, he will be under a lot more pressure to keep his family and friends safe from harm. His 3 brothers will be going to Leo for advice and Leo will now be doing the training.Yes! So much this! I've wanted this ever since Shredder stabbed him back in season 3. I WANTED him to die and hated the fact he survived. Surprising that I'm getting what I wanted for once in this show. ^^

neatoman
01-01-2017, 02:56 PM
Each TMNT season finale has Splinter end up in mortal peril.

Season 1 - He gets into a fight with Shredder and nearly loses his life.

Season 2 - Shredder helps the Krang invade Earth and he attacks and seriously wounds Splinter.

Season 3 - Shredder stabs Splinter in the back, and the Turtles travel in time to prevent it.

Season 4 - He loses his life in a fight with Shredder.


I don't think Splinter should die in the climax of each season. It comes off as repetitive and it makes Splinter look somewhat foolish.

What's next? Erasing him from the afterlife?

victory_angel
01-02-2017, 12:02 AM
Splinter will still be a presence in the Turtles lives, through their memories and their dreams.

No matter how we look at it, it's always going to end with the Turtles alone or growing up in some fashion.

At the end of OT Splinter tells the Turtles he would no longer be their Sensei because he has come to respect them as equals.

Mirage Comic, Splinter supposedly dies of a heart attack. While it's revealed that the Splinter they believed to have been their sensei was an imposter, there is also the Turtles going their separate ways as well.

Archie comic, Future Don and Raph mention that Splinter died of natural causes.

Same as it never was universe, Splinter dies protecting his remaining sons.

2003 Series ends with the Turtles hitting the age of 20. And while the story we know has come to an end, but we get this implied feeling that their adventures would continue onward. Heck as the series progresses past the 4th season, the Turtles refer to Splinter as Sensei less and father more.

With the nick show, Splinter has constantly advised his sons to rely on one another, to not let grudges divide them, to believe in the gifts they each possess. Because someday, he would be gone, and so will April and Casey and many of the other people they have come to know as friends and allies. So in the end, all the Turtles truly have is each other and that is the only thing they can depend on.

Splinter has also reminded the Turtles periodically over this season that they are coming to a point in their lives when they can no longer be children. Timeline wise the Turtles are nearly 18 if not actually hitting it. And they will be 19 next season.

But with Splinter being a consistent presence in their life, they have childishly cling to a mindset that Splinter will be there forever. And because of that, they feel they have the luxury to be eternal children.

Splinter being taken from them swiftly and brutally is the Universe giving them a swift kick in the tail to let them know that they need to become adults.

Nick can only have the Turtles be perpetual teenagers for so long, and eventually, it would have to decide if they have a continuation series that follows the Turtles into their twenties and beyond. Or if they would like to end it with the Turtles entering a new chapter of their lives. And this season does appear to end with the implied stirrings that a new chapter in the lives of the Turtles is beginning. And while nothing will ever fill the Splinter shaped void left behind, they won't let Splinter's absence consume them. They would live on together, following what Splinter has taught them, and knowing that wherever his Spirit rests, he is once again with his beloved Tang Shen and that he is proudly watching over them all.

PApagreg
01-02-2017, 12:14 AM
But anyway this time he's permanently dead, he ain't coming back but we will still see him in visions, memories ect.

Season 5 will be a new chapter for the turtles. Leo will now be the head of the family as well as leader, he will be under a lot more pressure to keep his family and friends safe from harm. His 3 brothers will be going to Leo for advice and Leo will now be doing the training.

Where did you get that tidbit from

Ashwolf
01-02-2017, 01:15 AM
Where did you get that tidbit from

ummm, thats kinda a unspoken fact since he is leader of the team and the chance of splinter coming back is extremely slim if even that :roll:

PApagreg
01-02-2017, 01:42 AM
ummm, thats kinda a unspoken fact since he is leader of the team and the chance of splinter coming back is extremely slim if even that :roll:

I say the chances of Splinter coming back is 50/50

ssjup81
01-02-2017, 01:47 AM
I say the chances of Splinter coming back is 50/50Didn't they bury his body?

Ninjinister
01-02-2017, 03:51 AM
Didn't they bury his body?

Hamato Zombie

ssjup81
01-02-2017, 04:51 AM
Hamato Zombielol They'll delay eps until October to show that.

victory_angel
01-02-2017, 07:47 AM
Didn't they bury his body?

Perhaps Splinter was cremated. Splinter will be back, but only through memories, flashbacks, and visions. Not as an actual flesh and blood person.

Vicky82
01-02-2017, 07:58 AM
Perhaps Splinter was cremated. Splinter will be back, but only through memories, flashbacks, and visions. Not as an actual flesh and blood person.

He wasn't cremated, he was buried at the farmhouse.

I'll put the pics under spoilers.


https://68.media.tumblr.com/b8a824aaa090c82c5885ff5890ce1cc4/tumblr_oj0w0jNDZR1ub63avo3_540.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/b533cba91c198e67577b31f776454f4a/tumblr_oj0xzbWJJu1ub63avo1_540.jpg

Ninjinister
01-02-2017, 01:12 PM
lol They'll delay eps until October to show that.

They will anyway.

Leofan26
01-02-2017, 01:41 PM
Well, after the last season final it started to bother me. Writers of this series must have really hated Splinter, why kill him or injur him every season final :ohwell:

I was hoping this happened sooner than later, now will only have one season of watching Leo be an official leader, boo!!

Ninjinister
01-02-2017, 02:05 PM
Writers of this series must have really hated

Why is that the common assumption when a character is the frequent subject of peril?

This is a series where since his introduction it's been clear that there's one character's single-minded pursuit to kill Hamato Yoshi and would not stop until it has been accomplished... and you think that the reason it either nearly happens or actually happens once a season is because the writers hate him?

Leofan26
01-02-2017, 02:12 PM
Why is that the common assumption when a character is the frequent subject of peril?

This is a series where since his introduction it's been clear that there's one character's single-minded pursuit to kill Hamato Yoshi and would not stop until it has been accomplished... and you think that the reason it either nearly happens or actually happens once a season is because the writers hate him?

Just makes me wonder is all.

Splinter the boss
01-03-2017, 02:14 PM
They don't really hate him, the goal is to create tension, drama which I enjoy.

Vicky82
01-03-2017, 02:18 PM
They don't really hate him, the goal is to create tension, drama which I enjoy.

Yeah this and you get to see how emotional the turtles get, which we don't see much of in other versions.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
01-04-2017, 07:02 AM
At the end of OT Splinter tells the Turtles he would no longer be their Sensei because he has come to respect them as equals.

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He's also pretty much dead because of old age in "Once Upon a Time Machine".

TMNTInsighter
01-04-2017, 01:54 PM
He simply ran out of saviors this time.
First it was Tang Shen all those years ago.
Then it was serpent Karai in "The Invasion".
AE was tragic because there was no Tang Shen or anyone like her to take the hit for him that time.
But then the Fugitoid saves him and subsequently everyone, and yet there's also no one like him 11 episodes after "Earth's Last Stand."

Shellington
01-04-2017, 03:06 PM
Splinter will still be a presence in the Turtles lives, through their memories and their dreams.

No matter how we look at it, it's always going to end with the Turtles alone or growing up in some fashion.

Splinter has constantly advised his sons to rely on one another, to not let grudges divide them, to believe in the gifts they each possess. Because someday, he would be gone, and so will April and Casey and many of the other people they have come to know as friends and allies. So in the end, all the Turtles truly have is each other and that is the only thing they can depend on.

Splinter has also reminded the Turtles periodically over this season that they are coming to a point in their lives when they can no longer be children. Timeline wise the Turtles are nearly 18 if not actually hitting it. And they will be 19 next season.

Splinter being taken from them swiftly and brutally is the Universe giving them a swift kick in the tail to let them know that they need to become adults.

Nick can only have the Turtles be perpetual teenagers for so long, and eventually, it would have to decide if they have a continuation series that follows the Turtles into their twenties and beyond. Or if they would like to end it with the Turtles entering a new chapter of their lives. And this season does appear to end with the implied stirrings that a new chapter in the lives of the Turtles is beginning.

Great reading there. 8)

But I do not think it's necessary to keep attacking the father figure as a means to push the Turtles into adulthood. There are better ways to handle that I think.



This is a series where since his introduction it's been clear that there's one character's single-minded pursuit to kill Hamato Yoshi and would not stop until it has been accomplished...
The problem there IMO is that we don't really know what would happen AFTER that had been accomplished.

I think it's fair to say that Saki would not be satisfied and would go after Splinter's family and pick them off, with his "motive" being that his quarrel is with Yoshi's family and not just Yoshi himself. Which would be an interesting angle for a new season.

Instead, the show has to constantly focus on finding a means to bring back Splinter.

Danetello
01-21-2017, 02:17 PM
He wasn't cremated, he was buried at the farmhouse.

I'll put the pics under spoilers.


https://68.media.tumblr.com/b8a824aaa090c82c5885ff5890ce1cc4/tumblr_oj0w0jNDZR1ub63avo3_540.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/b533cba91c198e67577b31f776454f4a/tumblr_oj0xzbWJJu1ub63avo1_540.jpg

Wait, where are people watching these episodes?!

GoldMutant
01-21-2017, 02:27 PM
Wait, where are people watching these episodes?!

Somehow, Korea got an early airing back in December. The two part finale aired on December 31st, the 23rd and 24th episodes on... the 17th I think?

Not sure, but I think someone has the links to those episodes, but obviously no English dub is present right now.

BubblyShell22
01-21-2017, 08:28 PM
It doesn't bother me because his death has been hinted at before and now it has finally come to pass. I think it's pretty brave of them to do this and to have it be a permanent thing as a means to having the Turtles grow. Death is part of life and I like that the show is exploring this concept that you're not going to have your parents around forever no matter how much you want that to be and that's true for this show and the lives the Turtles lead. Needless to say, when this airs, it will be sad and I will definitely cry.

PApagreg
01-21-2017, 08:33 PM
Death is part of life and I like that the show is exploring this concept that you're not going to have your parents around forever no matter how much you want that to be and that's true for this show and the lives the Turtles lead. Needless to say, when this airs, it will be sad and I will definitely cry.
Then again it kinda cheapens the messege if Splinter can contact them via spiritual communications

MikeandRaph87
01-21-2017, 08:44 PM
Then again it kinda cheapens the messege if Splinter can contact them via spiritual communications

Splinter Kenobi is more powerful in the force than in physical form.:twink:

Kavaxas purpose is probably to bring back Shredder but will lead to Splinter coming back again. Proving he has more lives than Goku to stir up drama.

tmntsplinterfan1997
01-21-2017, 08:56 PM
Splinter Kenobi is more powerful in the force than in physical form.:twink:

Kavaxas purpose is probably to bring back Shredder but will lead to Splinter coming back again. Proving he has more lives than Goku to stir up drama.

Is that necessary? Splinter returning? How many lives does a rat have?

BubblyShell22
01-21-2017, 08:59 PM
He could still communicate with them via the astral plane. My guess is that maybe the Turtles think that they can bring Splinter back via some ritual but it doesn't work.

victory_angel
01-21-2017, 10:20 PM
He could still communicate with them via the astral plane. My guess is that maybe the Turtles think that they can bring Splinter back via some ritual but it doesn't work.

Or the Turtles discover a means to resurrect him from the Dead and Splinter says he doesn't want it because he is at peace and is with his beloved wife again. Then tell his Children how proud he is of them and of what they have become since his passing and that he would be with them always in spirit.

tmntsplinterfan1997
01-21-2017, 11:31 PM
Either permanent or temporary. Who knows?

Vicky82
01-22-2017, 03:08 AM
I don't want to see Splinter get resurrected, he's dead and buried now so let him rest in peace.

victory_angel
01-22-2017, 09:59 AM
I don't want to see Splinter get resurrected, he's dead and buried now so let him rest in peace.

Right, if they need Splinter's guidance they simply need to pause and remember something he had taught them while he was alive.

Or find a place where they can meditate and have Splinter appear as a hallucination of sorts such as that vision Leo has of him.

Without Splinter, Leo is forced to rely on his brothers. And I would not be surprised if there is a point where he is pushing them harder than he should because...well because he's scared. He is afraid they might not be strong enough to face the next enemy. He's afraid he could lose them too, and he's afraid he might not be competent enough to stand as head of the family in Splinter's sted.

And that could result in a fight, nearly losing someone, maybe bringing up issues from the past, emotional breakdowns, a general defeat. But they recover and come back stronger than ever.

BubblyShell22
01-23-2017, 07:18 AM
Yeah, I definitely believe this will be toughest on Leo because of hte fact that he is now head of the family and must keep the others together. He will definitely push them harder and will probably be stressed about the fact that Splinter is no longer htere. Maybe he will try to meditate to reach him and do so to seek his guidance or seek a memory from the past to try and guide him. I kind of hope they recreate the scene from the first movie where Leo is meditating and sees Splinter. That would be so cool.

cryan
01-31-2017, 06:19 PM
I have been out of the loop. When did Splinter get killed? He survived the fall down the shaft and Donnie and Mikey found him. I agree I have not been keeping up on the series other things going on.

ssjup81
01-31-2017, 08:10 PM
I have been out of the loop. When did Splinter get killed? He survived the fall down the shaft and Donnie and Mikey found him. I agree I have not been keeping up on the series other things going on.The last four eps of season 4 havenít aired yet. Korea has already gotten them, back in December. The show has been in hiatus since November, but February 4, it comes back. For these remaining eps, Splinter gets killed by ShredderÖlegit. I havenít seen it, but it was mentioned that there was a funeral and everything for him.

BubblyShell22
02-04-2017, 06:24 PM
It's tomorrow that it will air in the U.S. so just stay tuned for it at 9/8c.

superstaff
02-04-2017, 10:02 PM
The only thing that feels off for me is that they rescued Splinter from certain doom in the s3 only to then kill him off in the following season finale. It just lessened the impact of his death a bit.

turtle1237
02-21-2017, 12:02 AM
Is that necessary? Splinter returning? How many lives does a rat have?

He is a cat not a rat, he has 9 oh wait.

I expect them to find some way to bring Splinter back, AGAIN. Death has no real meaning in this show. I hardly shed a tear this time, because well, I seen Splinter get knock off so many times. Hell, they can use April's God like powers and reconstruct Splinter's body like she did with Don and boom, she rises Splinter from the dead.

She brought Don back, I don't see why she cant bring Splinter back.

ssjup81
02-21-2017, 12:25 AM
The only thing that feels off for me is that they rescued Splinter from certain doom in the s3 only to then kill him off in the following season finale. It just lessened the impact of his death a bit.

He is a cat not a rat, he has 9 oh wait.

I expect them to find some way to bring Splinter back, AGAIN. Death has no real meaning in this show. I hardly shed a tear this time, because well, I seen Splinter get knock off so many times. Hell, they can use April's God like powers and reconstruct Splinter's body like she did with Don and boom, she rises Splinter from the dead.

She brought Don back, I don't see why she cant bring Splinter back.Personally, I feel that they did that (killing Splinter at the end of season 3) to test the waters with viewers. Now, if the earth being sucked into the black hole didn't happen directly after that, I would've fully expected them NOT to have brought Splinter back. They time-traveled not to only save Splinter, but everyone. Also, Leo pretty much clued Splinter in and even reacted when he saw Shredder about to stab him, hence Splinter's being able to avoid Saki for that timeline where the Triceratons were prevented from setting off the Blackhole generator. Bottom line, I didn't fully expect Splinter to permanently stay dead anyway out of pure logic, even though ideally I wanted him to. Why others 100% expected him to remain dead is beyond me since they were presented with a deus ex machina almost instantly after his death.

This time is different. There's no "rewind" set up. Not sure what's going to happen, but I doubt they'll bring him back given how brutally beaten he was , unless you want a zombie mutant arc. The only way I could see Splinter coming back, is if in spiritual form to one of the turtles (most likely Leo or Mikey) or if they show flashbacks with him.

As for Donnie...come on! Did you actually expect this show to kill off one of the MAIN characters? Leo, Donnie, Raph, and Mikey are our main core characters. A supporting character, I could see bumping off...not a main character. They had to make up some goofy reason to bring Donnie back. I bet killing off a turtle in this show would affect the kiddies more than say Splinter or the other characters because those four are in every single episode.

Edit: Oh, there is a way they could bring him back. At the end of season 5, have Leo wake up from his nightmare. Let's say at the end of season 2, Leo's been in a coma the entire time or even worse, the end of season 1. :-P

Coola Yagami
02-21-2017, 01:22 AM
Edit: Oh, there is a way they could bring him back. At the end of season 5, have Leo wake up from his nightmare. Let's say at the end of season 2, Leo's been in a coma the entire time or even worse, the end of season 1. :-P

Who stabbed H.Y?

ssjup81
02-21-2017, 01:43 AM
Who stabbed H.Y?Shredder. I'm jokingly saying that everything beyond season 1 or two, was a long nightmare due to a coma. :P

CyberCubed
02-21-2017, 01:58 AM
The show also did an alien invasion at the end of every season so far, (I don't know about the last Season 4 ep yet, don't spoil me), and always have Leonardo do something reckless at the end and nearly get himself killed.

Seems to be a running formula or something.

ssjup81
02-21-2017, 02:58 AM
The show also did an alien invasion at the end of every season so far, (I don't know about the last Season 4 ep yet, don't spoil me), and always have Leonardo do something reckless at the end and nearly get himself killed.

Seems to be a running formula or something.Just for that you deserve to be spoiled. You're in a thread with "spoiler" in the title.

That aside, that's pretty much what I was thinking when making the bad joke. Leo has a loyal soldier mentality.