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ProphetofGanja
01-13-2017, 12:34 PM
Preview [here (http://comicsalliance.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-universe-6-preview/)]

Looks pretty interesting so far, definitely picking this up

CyberCubed
01-13-2017, 12:53 PM
As for Wyrm, the character first debuted in the Archie Comics series Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures back in 1990 and hasnít been used that much since. There was a very memorable toy produced of the character, and he showed up again in the 2012 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles animation, but outside of that heís definitely more on the obscure side of Turtles villains.

Read More: The Early Turtle Gets The Wyrm In 'TMNT Universe' #6 | http://comicsalliance.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-universe-6-preview/?trackback=tsmclip

Yep, unless you count Bloodsucker as the Mirage version of Wyrm, we've actually barely seen the leech mutant in any series. Its a shame he never got an episode in the original cartoon.

MikeandRaph87
01-13-2017, 01:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef4vWV63F50
This is as far as it ever got. A toy with one line of animation before getting an appearance in Nick as a space genie. I know he has an odd appearance, but a space genie? So 1 toy, 1 cartoon appearance (Nick) 2 appearances in Archies Adventures #10 and #51. When Forever War is printed it will be 3.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-13-2017, 01:22 PM
"SQUIK."

Is it just me, or does the dialogue for Michelangelo feel a little off so far? But Wyrm, at least, looks very interesting and intimidating so far.

Ninjinister
01-13-2017, 01:24 PM
When Forever War is printed it will be 3.

lol :lol::roll:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-13-2017, 01:27 PM
I thought about it a little more.

Internal monologuing is something we haven't seen much of before in TMNT IDW, plus it's so exposition heavy. I think THAT'S why Mikey feels off to me.

I think I know how this issue will end regarding Wyrm's fate... curious to see if I'll be right. :tgrin:

neatoman
01-13-2017, 01:29 PM
Corn cob pizza?! RUN, JUST RUN! GO! GO! GO!

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funatic
01-13-2017, 03:51 PM
art in this kind of reminds me of 90s Nickelodeon... which is actually a perfect fit. :eyemouth:

CyberCubed
01-13-2017, 03:55 PM
Weird they're using another police officer lady instead of Kara Lewis who actually knows Michelangelo.

MikeandRaph87
01-13-2017, 03:56 PM
lol :lol::roll:

IDW has proven it can put out superior quality to Nickelodeon and get multiple successful team ups with DC Comics. I do believe it is possible due to that.

art in this kind of reminds me of 90s Nickelodeon... which is actually a perfect fit. :eyemouth:

Ah! Real Monsters meets Robot Chicken in comic form.

Utrommaniac
01-13-2017, 06:18 PM
Well, Leatherhead's slaughter of the Utroms has been topped with a far more gruesome death. Well done, Wyrm.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-13-2017, 07:17 PM
Weird they're using another police officer lady instead of Kara Lewis who actually knows Michelangelo.

Kara is a higher-ranking detective in the police force; you don't send a detective to investigate a missing sewer worker, you send a patrolman.

So, no, it's not weird.

DestronMirage22
01-13-2017, 10:35 PM
Issue looks promising. Can't wait to see what the team at IDW decide to do with Wrm. Only wish we could get some non-turtle stories soon, so we can see some other cast members get some time to shine.

Technogeek29
01-14-2017, 12:30 AM
I thought about it a little more.

Internal monologuing is something we haven't seen much of before in TMNT IDW, plus it's so exposition heavy. I think THAT'S why Mikey feels off to me.

I think I know how this issue will end regarding Wyrm's fate... curious to see if I'll be right. :tgrin:

Well we have but it's usually Leo & Don who do it. Raph and Mike are more in the moment type of people.

neatoman
01-14-2017, 04:44 AM
I wonder though, what is Wyrm's origin? With a few exceptions, most of the mutants so far have been lab experiments and not accidents, so where did Wyrm come from? Stockgen? NULL? Lindsey?

ToTheNines
01-14-2017, 05:10 AM
Well we have but it's usually Leo & Don who do it. Raph and Mike are more in the moment type of people.

Basically everyone has narrated/internally monologued their respective micro, but Waltz almost never employs it in the ongoing. Then Hob had some in TMNTU #5.

old_hob88
01-14-2017, 05:47 AM
I wonder though, what is Wyrm's origin? With a few exceptions, most of the mutants so far have been lab experiments and not accidents, so where did Wyrm come from? Stockgen? NULL? Lindsey?

My theory is that Hob had worms, and they mutated from drinking his blood to become Wyrm. Just kidding :D

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-14-2017, 07:50 AM
Basically everyone has narrated/internally monologued their respective micro, but Waltz almost never employs it in the ongoing. Then Hob had some in TMNTU #5.

Oh, that's right... that was a LONG time ago, no wonder I don't remember it. :tlol:

ProphetofGanja
01-18-2017, 01:08 PM
Well damn! That was a significant departure from what we've seen before, stylistically speaking. But it was awesome all the same! Kudos to

I really enjoyed the art, it reminded me of some old school Nickelodeon cartoon but I can't think of what. The writing, while noticeably different, was still good and it fit very nicely with this story. I didn't expect to find commentary on the psychological issue of hoarding behavior, but it was pretty well done. The back-up story was really good too, so shout out to everyone, Pitarra, Lees, Sobreiro, and Revel, top-notch work. I would love to hear about the inspiration behind both of these stories if any of the creative team has any insight they wish to offer.

TMNTU is most definitely proving its worth as a companion series to the main ongoing title and I will most definitely continue to go along for the ride.

(if you need some letters Bobby, this is fit to print)

myconius
01-18-2017, 01:14 PM
i very much enjoyed the main story, both story and art.

but the back-up story really blew me away.
i like how Jennika is being fleshed out as a character little by little.
seeing a glimpse of her background really sold it for me.

i also love how she so fully embraced her new life as a ninja that she actually researched the origin of Ninjutsu. that i found particularly cool!! :D

DestronMirage22
01-18-2017, 01:43 PM
Pretty good solo issue. I like how Wrm's a collective of worms, makes him a real formidable opponent. I only wish we could've seen more on his backstory, I'm curious where the mutagen came from. Back-up gives some much needed information about Jennika, and, again, I only wish we could see more. Hopefully in the future they revisit Wrm and give more insight on Jennika.

myconius
01-18-2017, 02:03 PM
Pretty good solo issue. I like how Wrm's a collective of worms, makes him a real formidable opponent. I only wish we could've seen more on his backstory, I'm curious where the mutagen came from. Back-up gives some much needed information about Jennika, and, again, I only wish we could see more. Hopefully in the future they revisit Wrm and give more insight on Jennika.

i'm pretty sure that was the same canister of Mutagen that made Splinter and the Turtles?

Utrommaniac
01-18-2017, 02:09 PM
Those last few panels were a good laugh. Slowly coming closer on a tiny cross-eyed flatworm with dramatic monologue :lol:

ProphetofGanja
01-18-2017, 02:31 PM
i'm pretty sure that was the same canister of Mutagen that made Splinter and the Turtles?

Yeah, pretty sure that's what was implied. How many other jars of mutagen have been spilled in the NYC sewers??

Those last few panels were a good laugh. Slowly coming closer on a tiny cross-eyed flatworm with dramatic monologue :lol:

That was pretty funny. It looked so cartoony but flatworms really look like that!

myconius
01-18-2017, 03:04 PM
Yeah, pretty sure that's what was implied. How many other jars of mutagen have been spilled in the NYC sewers??


that's exactly what i was thinking too. :)

i like how they made Wyrm seem like he's always been around, watching from the shadows.
added that extra bit of OOKY to the story!

neatoman
01-18-2017, 03:39 PM
So is it safe to assume Pizza Face, Scratch and Halfcourt won't appear in the future? :lol:

DrReagan
01-18-2017, 04:37 PM
That has got to be the creepiest tmnt issue I have ever read.

Also does Wyrm seriously remind anyone else of Oogie Boogie from Nightmare Before Christmas?

Also loved the Jennika pages. I've loved her since Splinter first removed her mask and spared her life. :3

ChosenOne
01-18-2017, 07:48 PM
Creepy little Wyrm story... The guy's awesome, though! I have to say I didn't much care for the way Mikey's face and expressions were drawn, he almost looked straight out of TMNT Adventures with that derpy look on his face (the issue that introduced Jagwar comes to mind as particularly bad), nor the almost immediate way the policewoman accepted his existence and presence in the sewers. She's investigating a kidnapping, just so happens to run into a weird humanoid turtle at the crime scene, and thinks nothing of it? Huh. Might wanna hold back on making her a detective after all.

The best part of the story is the way it ends, and hints at possible future events. Will Wyrm make a reappearance? How would he fare against all four Turtles? If he's been staking out the sewers for so long, does he know about Leatherhead? Will he reach out, whatever his intent? At the very least, those two definitely sound like they could share a therapist.

The Jennika backstory was cool too. I have no idea where her character is going but she reminds me of those kids who joined the Foot to get away from a troubled home in the first live-action movie. Fortunately she didn't serve for long under Saki, and fell into the good graces of a much wiser sensei instead. It's clear she is now taking her calling as a ninja much more seriously. The narration on the origins of Ninjutsu was nice, I had no idea. Always good to learn new stuff (and I've been doing it with TMNT ever since I picked up an issue of Adventures as a kid, so why not uphold the tradition?).

All in all, Universe continues to pull its weight nicely month after month. "Always leave them wanting more", and all.

Utrommaniac
01-18-2017, 07:52 PM
i like how they made Wyrm seem like he's always been around, watching from the shadows.
added that extra bit of OOKY to the story!


Which probably means he knows about everything that's been going on. Which is probably part of why he brought up the shellrot. I thought of Donatello when he started talking about that. Come to think about that, I'm a little surprised that wasn't brought up as a concern while Honeycutt was looking after him.

MikeandRaph87
01-18-2017, 08:27 PM
Easter eggs in Panda Khan, Sandstorm, and Scratch posters and the Gone With The Wind movie poster as well as the Zoltar fortune teller machine from Big. Also, was the red balloon a reference to Pennywise?

I didn't like the eyes as as dead goldfish and rubber duck instead of the googly bulging eyes he/it known for.

The story itself was well done. Another cop friend? A one-off character?

A different type of mutation melding together hundreds of worms instead of making one humanoid. I wonder why it reacted differently. Will thst beva future plot point?

myconius
01-18-2017, 09:00 PM
Which probably means he knows about everything that's been going on. Which is probably part of why he brought up the shellrot. I thought of Donatello when he started talking about that. Come to think about that, I'm a little surprised that wasn't brought up as a concern while Honeycutt was looking after him.

who knows? maybe Shell Rot could have been one of those in-between panel things as to why they needed the Ooze when treating Donnie's shattered shell?

ChosenOne
01-18-2017, 09:59 PM
After rereading the issue, I have to ask: what kind of voice did you all imagine Wyrm having? Something like Andy Serkis' Gollum, maybe?

myconius
01-18-2017, 10:13 PM
After rereading the issue, I have to ask: what kind of voice did you all imagine Wyrm having? Something like Andy Serkis' Gollum, maybe?

i had that garbled voice in my head from the movie Creepshow.

like the father's day zombie.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-18-2017, 10:17 PM
After rereading the issue, I have to ask: what kind of voice did you all imagine Wyrm having? Something like Andy Serkis' Gollum, maybe?

Nah, more deep. Like Tony Todd.

Damn, this was good. I have nitpicks, like the policewoman being so cool with Mikey, but it's nothing major.

I LOVED Wyrm. Especially the close-ups on those terrifying not-eyes. LOVED the dead goldfish in a bag.

The backup, so far, isn't really interesting me. I like the idea of fleshing out Jennika, but just seeing her watching Raph isn't doing it for me. Too passive.

Utrommaniac
01-18-2017, 10:22 PM
I actually imagined Brad Garrett's Krang XD .

CyberCubed
01-18-2017, 11:56 PM
Both the Wyrm story and back-up felt just like a Tales of the TMNT issue. Really felt like a Mirage story, I enjoyed it.

myconius
01-19-2017, 07:22 AM
Easter eggs in Panda Khan, Sandstorm, and Scratch posters and the Gone With The Wind movie poster as well as the Zoltar fortune teller machine from Big. Also, was the red balloon a reference to Pennywise?


the back-up had a few Easter-eggs.

in the flashback when Jenny was at the club in the Mosh-pit
someone was wearing a Misfits shirt, and one of the band members onstage was wearing a Dead Kennedys shirt.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-19-2017, 12:18 PM
http://bogleech.com/nature/flatworm-planarian.jpg

The artist nailed it. :tsmile: I like the juxtaposition of these cute little critters with their silly little eyes forming this hideous monster.

Kudos, I say!

ChosenOne
01-19-2017, 12:39 PM
The way I understand (and Googled) it, the eyes per se are the black dots, not the white areas. Still creepy and funny-looking little critters, though.

After my third time reading the issue, I have to note how remarkably compassionate IDW Mikey is. He actively tried to save a being that just minutes ago was pummeling him through a wall with a mallet and taunting him about a slow death from shell rot... Not only that, but he made a reference to hooking him up with the Mutanimals. Can you imagine the level of chaos Old Hob could wreak if he got Wyrm around to his way of thinking?

And for the folks wondering if those graffiti in Wyrm's inner sanctum preclude this or that character from ever appearing in IDW TMNT, remember, Wyrm himself was depicted on the wall, as he appeared in TMNT Adventures, and he's the main attraction of this story. If anything, it actually makes those other characters more likely to appear in the future.

Also asking myself: why would Jennika keep tabs on Raph specifically? Is she acting under Splinter's orders? If not, then why? Questions, questions... Can't wait to one day be reading issue #65 of Universe, not just the first ongoing, and marvel at how much will have happened between now and then!

MikeandRaph87
01-19-2017, 01:27 PM
Is there any comprehensive list of Easter eggs? There was at least the Gone With The Wind and Big references and the four toy spray paints. Whilew I am at it what about TMNT#65?

ProphetofGanja
01-19-2017, 02:24 PM
Creepy little Wyrm story... The guy's awesome, though! I have to say I didn't much care for the way Mikey's face and expressions were drawn, he almost looked straight out of TMNT Adventures with that derpy look on his face (the issue that introduced Jagwar comes to mind as particularly bad), nor the almost immediate way the policewoman accepted his existence and presence in the sewers. She's investigating a kidnapping, just so happens to run into a weird humanoid turtle at the crime scene, and thinks nothing of it? Huh. Might wanna hold back on making her a detective after all.

I interpreted that as Officer Lin having heard the rumors of mutant sightings by other police officers and private citizens (since the Turtles and other mutants have been roaming around NYC for quite a while now and they haven't always been too low-key), and she was just trying to play it cool and not freak out in front of Mikey since he is so obviously laid-back and not a threat to her.

I mean, he saves her life within the first few moments of them encountering each other, it'd be pretty ungrateful for her to be all like "Get away from me, you monster!"

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-19-2017, 02:40 PM
I interpreted that as Officer Lin having heard the rumors of mutant sightings by other police officers and private citizens (since the Turtles and other mutants have been roaming around NYC for quite a while now and they haven't always been too low-key), and she was just trying to play it cool and not freak out in front of Mikey since he is so obviously laid-back and not a threat to her.

I mean, he saves her life within the first few moments of them encountering each other, it'd be pretty ungrateful for her to be all like "Get away from me, you monster!"

Same here. With a little thought, the problem easily goes away. It's still a little unlikely given that she is investigating a disappearance, but not a dealbreaker.

ChosenOne
01-19-2017, 07:17 PM
It didn't bother me that much compared to, say, some of Mikey's expressions, but it definitely takes you out of the story for a bit there. Can't imagine the underworld of mutants and ninjas in NYC will stay secret for much longer, at this rate.

Nick Pitarra
01-19-2017, 07:54 PM
Hey guys! I really appreciate the discussion about TMNT Universe issue 6... Regarding the Easter eggs...I'm going to post a contest for who can find the most of them ...I did a master list for myself. The contest will be the top 5 people who find the most Easter Eggs get a free TMNt head sketch and signed issue of tmnt adventures 6 (sub variant)...if you are the first one to get them all...(this will be hard...bc two a really tough)... I'll do a full figure commission. There are two categories for the Easter eggs.... Tmnt related ...and we'll call the other one none TMnT /pop culture. I'm going to post about it on my Facebook and make it public and post the link back here. Thanks again for the kind words comments and critiques.

Also great catch on the flat worm design element thing... I noticed when looking at the toy that the original designer had those flat wyrms in mind...the wavy lips....the googley eyes.....even wyrms crazy color is reflected in more exotic flatworms.....so with the design it seemed fitting to stick close to it...echoing the toy....and use the flat worms themselves to build WYRM. I tried to keep the eyes narrow...the objects for the eyes can be interchanged bc it's just all of the worms building themselves up into one big worm after all....I definitely started drawing the issue with the last page in mind....me and John Lees talked about slowly zooming in on one little flatworm...and hopefully have him look somewhat like WYRM itself. Anyway...I'll post about that contest in this thread later. Take care!

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-19-2017, 08:12 PM
Hey guys! I really appreciate the discussion about TMNT Universe issue 6... Regarding the Easter eggs...I'm going to post a contest for who can find the most of them ...I did a master list for myself. The contest will be the top 5 people who find the most Easter Eggs get a free TMNt head sketch and signed issue of tmnt adventures 6 (sub variant)...if you are the first one to get them all...(this will be hard...bc two a really tough)... I'll do a full figure commission. There are two categories for the Easter eggs.... Tmnt related ...and we'll call the other one none TMnT /pop culture. I'm going to post about it on my Facebook and make it public and post the link back here. Thanks again for the kind words comments and critiques.

Also great catch on the flat worm design element thing... I noticed when looking at the toy that the original designer had those flat wyrms in mind...the wavy lips....the googley eyes.....even wyrms crazy color is reflected in more exotic flatworms.....so with the design it seemed fitting to stick close to it...echoing the toy....and use the flat worms themselves to build WYRM. I tried to keep the eyes narrow...the objects for the eyes can be interchanged bc it's just all of the worms building themselves up into one big worm after all....I definitely started drawing the issue with the last page in mind....me and John Lees talked about slowly zooming in on one little flatworm...and hopefully have him look somewhat like WYRM itself. Anyway...I'll post about that contest in this thread later. Take care!

Sounds awesome!

So when did you first come up with the idea of Wyrm being a collective of flatworms? Would love to know your thought processes on that!

Also, without asking for spoilers, do you have another TMNT Universe gig yet?

Toitlefan
01-21-2017, 02:56 PM
Sounds awesome!

So when did you first come up with the idea of Wyrm being a collective of flatworms? Would love to know your thought processes on that!


I couldn't help but think throughout the issue that the "Worms of Madness" story line from Mirage was a big inspiration.

Ninjinister
01-22-2017, 02:25 AM
So when did you first come up with the idea of Wyrm being a collective of flatworms? Would love to know your thought processes on that!


Not like there isn't precedence.... (http://miragelicensing.com/comics/archie/52/52.htm)

Technogeek29
01-23-2017, 09:44 PM
Shout out to my older bro who bought my copy in my stead. Dear lord reminds me of some the Mirage short stories definitely creepy. Should've released this around Halloween. Nice little thing for my second favorite Turtle, next is my first all in all loving Universe.

I like Jennika is getting some development not much to say yet.

SIDE NOTE: Lin isn't very tall if Mikey is taller than her (and the IDW Turtles aren't very tall) Lady must quite the cop because she is far from imposing.

Nick Pitarra
01-24-2017, 11:21 AM
Here's the link to the TMNT Universe issue 6 easter egg contest...

https://www.facebook.com/nick.pitarra/posts/10154262386136398

Nick Pitarra
01-24-2017, 11:27 AM
Also... John Less and I did a fun interview over on the Turtle Power Podcast talking in depth about the story process/design...

Interview starts 30 minutes in...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOwSkZTXbNc

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-24-2017, 01:04 PM
Also... John Less and I did a fun interview over on the Turtle Power Podcast talking in depth about the story process/design...

Interview starts 30 minutes in...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOwSkZTXbNc

Hey, I love knowing that you guys had a legitimate way for Wyrm to obtain a mallet, not just "because toy!" or "because cool!" I didn't put that together with the carnival setting...

Question: did the setting of "The Killing Joke" influence the carnival stuff at all in this issue? Because it completely reminded me of Joker taking Gordon through the hall of mirrors and the rest of that crazy stuff. (Fortunately, Wyrm's carnival was sans BDSM midgets.) :tlol:

DrSpengler
01-28-2017, 02:27 PM
I know I'm a week late to the party on this one, but I just got back from a lot of travelling!

Here's my full summary and review of TMNT Universe #6 at TMNT Entity. (http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2017/01/tmnt-universe-6.html)

Dug the hell out of this issue.

Pitarra and Lees did an excellent job defining their version of Wyrm, mining ideas from the toy and Archie comics, but excluding the elements that made Wyrm feel like a ripoff of Bloodsucker.

The back-up was a little eh, but it's a serial that's just getting started so I won't judge it too harshly. Jennika could use some personality, though. Hope this does it for her.

RaphaelinSTL
02-01-2017, 08:36 AM
I loved this issue! Great way to use Wyrm for the story I thought the writing of Michelangelo was consistent and personable. His use of humor felt more natural than forced and ditsy so that was much appreciated. Good stuff all around.

liugeaux
02-01-2017, 09:56 PM
I typically don't like "side" stories, but this was really cool. I can't help but think that Wyrm is an amalgamation of 3 different old characters. It felt like Lees and Pitarra combined the Classic character of Wyrm, with Worm Shredder from Mirage, and Nano from the 4Kids show. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like a big ball of solid homages.

funatic
02-10-2017, 04:24 PM
Hey Nick was the list of easter eggs ever posted?

TurtleWA
05-14-2017, 08:51 PM
Easter eggs in Panda Khan, Sandstorm, and Scratch posters and the Gone With The Wind movie poster as well as the Zoltar fortune teller machine from Big. Also, was the red balloon a reference to Pennywise?

I didn't like the eyes as as dead goldfish and rubber duck instead of the googly bulging eyes he/it known for.

The story itself was well done. Another cop friend? A one-off character?

A different type of mutation melding together hundreds of worms instead of making one humanoid. I wonder why it reacted differently. Will thst beva future plot point?


Just read the issue tonight.

I also noticed the toy version of Wyrm painted on the wall in the background next to the characters you already listed off. Also mid/lower page to the right is Pizza Face I think.

I just started reading TMNT Universe tonight with issues 4,5,6. I like it and ordered 7,8. Still need to find 1,2,3. Really enjoyed 5 too but 4 was take it or leave it. Perhaps because I didn't read 1-3 yet. :lol: