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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
01-21-2017, 05:29 AM
What popular culture moral panic do you remember?

I recall when video was considered too violent, hard rock and heavy metal being considered satanic and blamed for church arsons, a lot of fighting videogames being blamed for violence.

Can someone please move this to Everyting else.

Spike Spiegel
01-21-2017, 07:33 AM
Pokémon and Harry Potter were paths to Satan when I was a kid.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
01-21-2017, 07:35 AM
Can someone plese move this to "everything else"?

Prowler
01-21-2017, 03:08 PM
Portuguese media sh*ting on pro wrestling. On one hand they'd say it was "fake", but on the other one they also said it was violent and turned kids violent.

Jephael
01-21-2017, 03:10 PM
I think The Simpsons got similar flak for the stuff they did in the early days of the series.

sdp
01-21-2017, 03:14 PM
There's the current SJW moral panic on how offensive everything is affecting video games now. Ironic how the left can be as censor happy as the right was.

I remember as a kid anime was blamed for everything, since it was anime they did have plenty of perverted/violent stuff, Saint Seiya, Ranma etc were among the popular shows at the time. :lol:

Wildcat
02-03-2017, 03:53 AM
Mortal Kombat and Grand Theft Auto were the biggest video games to cause "moral panic" from what I remember. When they first came out anyway. San Andreas Hot Coffee hack stirred up attention for a bit. (Pun intended)

Beavis and Butt-head. Some kid died from starting a fire I think which led to the warning before each episode and moved later at night.

Storm Eagle
02-03-2017, 06:38 AM
Beavis and Butt-head. Some kid died from starting a fire I think which led to the warning before each episode and moved later at night.

Didn't they always have that disclaimer before every episode?

I've never heard the story you mentioned, but there was this incident where some kids stuck a firecracker in a cat's anus and lit it, and said they saw it on Beavis and Butt-head. After that, the show was moved to a much later time in the day. Now, even though those kids blame Beavis and Butt-head for what they did, Mike Judge said no such thing ever happened in an episode. That's kind of like how some kids in a European country beat up on a girl to the point of killing her, and Power Rangers was blamed for it. The boys said they've never even seen the show.

ProactiveMan
02-03-2017, 08:17 AM
Duke Nukem 3D came out just after a mass shooting here in Australia where 35 people were killed. As a result, the game had to be heavily censored before it was allowed to be sold. All the blood and gore was removed, because lobby groups were convinced that the shooting, and violent entertainment were somehow related.

Even back then I knew it was BS because they also removed the strippers and sexual references. Did boobies also drive the gunman to mass murder? It was just the usual group of fundamentalists and holier-than-thou parents groups using a tragedy to extend their influence.

The dumbest part of it was that none of them understood computer games at all, and they had no idea that you could simply open one of the game's config files in a text editor, change a setting that =1 to =0, and all the censored content was back in.

Wildcat
02-03-2017, 09:23 PM
Didn't they always have that disclaimer before every episode?

I've never heard the story you mentioned, but there was this incident where some kids stuck a firecracker in a cat's anus and lit it, and said they saw it on Beavis and Butt-head. After that, the show was moved to a much later time in the day. Now, even though those kids blame Beavis and Butt-head for what they did, Mike Judge said no such thing ever happened in an episode. That's kind of like how some kids in a European country beat up on a girl to the point of killing her, and Power Rangers was blamed for it. The boys said they've never even seen the show.Wikipedia says the disclaimer was added after the various incidents.

It mentions the cat story and the fire story. A 5 year old boy lit a fire in is home and it killed his 2 year old sister.

Storm Eagle
02-04-2017, 12:40 AM
Wikipedia says the disclaimer was added after the various incidents.

It mentions the cat story and the fire story. A 5 year old boy lit a fire in is home and it killed his 2 year old sister.

I remember there being two disclaimers, but I didn't know it was changed because of an incident.

I see it mentions them just talking about putting a firecracker in a cat's anus. I bet we don't see it actually happen, however.

Shark_Blade
02-04-2017, 12:44 AM
Pokémon and Harry Potter were paths to Satan when I was a kid.

I always laughed at those stupid uneducated morons.

DestronMirage22
02-04-2017, 06:23 AM
Garbage Pail Kids cards were banned from a lot of schools back then for "being a distraction in class", "ridiculing the handicapped", and "glorifieing violence".

:lol::roll: C'mon! That's what made them great!

ssjup81
02-04-2017, 06:37 AM
Mortal Kombat and Grand Theft Auto were the biggest video games to cause "moral panic" from what I remember. When they first came out anyway. San Andreas Hot Coffee hack stirred up attention for a bit. (Pun intended)

Beavis and Butt-head. Some kid died from starting a fire I think which led to the warning before each episode and moved later at night.I remember this. It was a boy, that's all I remember.

ToTheNines
02-04-2017, 06:47 AM
Pokémon and Harry Potter were paths to Satan when I was a kid.

Yes, those were the two main ones of our generation.

I didn't understand the Harry Potter flak at all. They were good wizards fighting bad wizards, never overtly contradicted Christianity, and it was far from the first piece of fiction of its kind.

Where was the outrage for Wizard of Oz? Merlin and Arthur? The Rankin/Bass Santa Claus stuff? It was definitely when I started to realize adults could be as stupid and gullible as children.

--

Now Pokémon is a different story. I lived and breathed that sh*t all through 3rd grade and couldn't stand when people shunned it, but Jesus Christ, what a dystopian society that portrays. They live in world where pretty much every non-human creature has an amazing ability... and not only do they fight them, but they're ****ing encouraged to fight them! Plus all the 10 year olds having shower room ass sex? Bleh.

And I wish I could say it was all harmless fun, but the consumerism it espoused was a ****ing plaque. Kids were stealing, smuggling and losing their minds over it.

I was unloading a Charizard I stole from a good friend, and when word got out I had to bloody a kids face with a garden hose nozzle when he, his friend and his ****ing little sister jumped me in the street.

He already had all 151 cards, but was willing to rob me of my binder because "we want doubles".

Sick.

DestronMirage22
02-04-2017, 07:08 AM
Plus all the 10 year olds having shower room ass sex? Bleh.

Wait, what? :teek:
Have you been reading CyberCubed's old fan-fiction?

Storm Eagle
02-04-2017, 07:32 AM
Garbage Pail Kids cards were banned from a lot of schools back then for "being a distraction in class", "ridiculing the handicapped", and "glorifieing violence".

:lol::roll: C'mon! That's what made them great!

I've never liked GPK, but I never thought those things about them. I'm pretty sure it's not what the creators were going for either. I remember my third grade teacher banning them, but it was most likely because she thought they were sick to look at, and stupid. Also, I went to a different school when I was in first grade, and we had this substitute teacher for a while. She considered them toys, and we weren't allowed to bring toys to school.

Yes, those were the two main ones of our generation.

I didn't understand the Harry Potter flak at all. They were good wizards fighting bad wizards, never overtly contradicted Christianity, and it was far from the first piece of fiction of its kind.



Any practice of magic is considered a sin in Christianity. I'm a Christian, but I got the books. They never inspired me to try any spells though, and they probably haven't had that effect on all kids. Then again, I was 23 when I started reading them, and the fifth book would come out a year later.

ToTheNines
02-04-2017, 07:37 AM
So Moses committed a sin when he parted the Red Sea?

Cure
02-04-2017, 09:09 AM
God parted the Red Sea through Moses' staff. Wasn't magic.

ToTheNines
02-04-2017, 09:18 AM
Ok, and to my understanding, pretty much every great feat in the Bible was accomplished through God. Harry Potter never said the magic at hand wasn't God's work.

Either way, it's ****ing fiction. And there'd been a million other witch/wizard stories in various mediums before it. Just goes to show what sheep people can be.

Storm Eagle
02-04-2017, 09:46 AM
Ok, and to my understanding, pretty much every great feat in the Bible was accomplished through God. Harry Potter never said the magic at hand wasn't God's work.

Either way, it's ****ing fiction. And there'd been a million other witch/wizard stories in various mediums before it. Just goes to show what sheep people can be.

J.K. Rowling doesn't even think magic is real.

Cure
02-04-2017, 09:54 AM
Yeah, people take the Bible too literally. As religious as I am, they've always just been stories to me.

ProactiveMan
02-07-2017, 09:26 PM
Harry Potter never said the magic at hand wasn't God's work.
That's funny to think about; he'd be pretty pissed off if that were the case. Parting the Red Sea is something you only have to do once in 3000 years - those wizards are at it 24/7.

"Hey... guys... you wanna try lighting candles yourselves for a change, you know, with matches or something. This constant divine intervention is getting out of hand."

MsMarvelDuckie
02-07-2017, 09:43 PM
Here's one from my generation- parents and religious groups claiming Dungeons and Dragons role-playing (especially LARPing) was Satanic and evil. There were SUPPOSEDLY incidents of teens offing themselves (or friends) over the deaths of their characters or over events in their game sessions. All urban myth and rumor/hearsay, of course. NO such VERIFIED cases ever happened. But people were convinced it would turn kids to devil-worship and cults because they took on the roles of adventuring PRIESTS, KNIGHTS and BARDS fighting against evil monsters! (Wizards, thieves and Druids or fighters too, but you get the point.) There was even a movie made depicting the "dangers of role-playing games"- Mazes and Monsters.

Utrommaniac
02-07-2017, 10:09 PM
I've seen how Dark Dungeons pushed that as well. Though it makes me wonder what kind of alternate dimension the creator lives in where the D&D playing crowd were the "dark edgy cool kids" in a college campus preying on the Freshman :lol: . And the jock was an underdog. Yeaaaah no.

I basically had the Pokémon/Harry Potter was The Devil's Work™ in my generation. My mom even used that as a ploy to make me think I wasn't getting some hand-me-down Pokémon books from a neighbor for Christmas. Well, she just said it was too violent or something along those lines.
So naturally, I was surprised and confused to get a bunch for Christmas. And even more confused when she got me and my brothers some Gameboy Colors and the original Red, Blue, and Yellow. And later Gold and Silver. It was at that point that I realized my mom didn't follow that philosophy.

And let's just say that our parents read the Harry Potter books to us at bedtime.

Candy Kappa
02-08-2017, 12:49 AM
I've seen how Dark Dungeons pushed that as well. Though it makes me wonder what kind of alternate dimension the creator lives in where the D&D playing crowd were the "dark edgy cool kids" in a college campus preying on the Freshman :lol: . And the jock was an underdog. Yeaaaah no.

The Dark Dungeon story was created by Jack Chickt, a man full of hate and was completely out of touch with reality. The dude thought Catholics was secretly pagan witches doing magic and worships the devil without knowing it, and haven't heard about Jesus :lol:

CyberCubed
02-08-2017, 02:23 PM
So basically this thread is about what overly religious Christians complain about every decade and how it's a bad influence on kids. Rock and Roll, Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers, Pokemon, Harry Potter, Dragonball Z, The Simpsons, videogames, etc.

Basically any single franchise that ever became popular was always a target from angry Christian parents claiming it was "the devil." LOL.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
02-08-2017, 02:39 PM
So basically this thread is about what overly religious Christians complain about every decade and how it's a bad influence on kids. Rock and Roll, Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers, Pokemon, Harry Potter, Dragonball Z, The Simpsons, videogames, etc.

Basically any single franchise that ever became popular was always a target from angry Christian parents claiming it was "the devil." LOL.

Nah, Little House on the Prairie was okay. As long as Laura didn't show off too much ankle. :trazz:

CyberCubed
02-08-2017, 02:42 PM
What's ironic is these Christian parents only target the most popular franchises. Do they know about the sheer mass of anime out there that has violence and nudity? A lot of which is watched by kids?

If some of these Christian parents saw what goes on in anime outside of the mainstream franchises, their heads would probably explode.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
02-08-2017, 02:45 PM
What's ironic is these Christian parents only target the most popular franchises. Do they know about the sheer mass of anime out there that has violence and nudity? A lot of which is watched by kids?

If some of these Christian parents saw what goes on in anime outside of the mainstream franchises, their heads would probably explode.

Oh geez, he's bringing it back to anime again...

CyberCubed
02-08-2017, 02:49 PM
I don't watch much anime in general outside of a small handful of shows, but since I frequent anime forums I see what goes on in other shows. Girls as young as 10-12 shown bare naked in anime, incest between brothers and sisters, then on the opposite end of the spectrum, women with huge DD breasts flopping in the air, lesbian kissing and sex everywhere, violence with arms and heads being chopped off, kids being raped, etc. the list goes on.

People didn't know about this in the 90's because the internet barely existed. However nowadays all of Japan's stuff is easily found online and 70-80% of anime is ghastly.

MsMarvelDuckie
02-08-2017, 07:57 PM
Ah I take it you've never seen (trust me, if not, BE GLAD) animes like Underlord, Biohunter (which is actually good) or their like? Yeah a lot of anime is meant for adults. Why you feel the need to lump it with the kid stuff that if Pokemon and Dragonball is beyond me, though.

CyberCubed
02-08-2017, 08:00 PM
Ah I take it you've never seen (trust me, if not, BE GLAD) animes like Underlord, Biohunter (which is actually good) or their like? Yeah a lot of anime is meant for adults. Why you feel the need to lump it with the kid stuff that if Pokemon and Dragonball is beyond me, though.

Because I said mainstream media, soccer Moms, and over religious Christians only target the most popular or well known shows. Obviously more adult anime is obscure as it doesn't air on regular television, so these people aren't aware of it.

That's why I said if they think the shows that air on TV are "bad," I imagine their heads would explode if they see what 90% of other anime is about.

MsMarvelDuckie
02-08-2017, 08:15 PM
True, but sometimes I get the impression you either really watch much more of those than you let on, or have had a very sheltered life in terms of what parents and kids are aware of. As a teen I was certainly aware of a lot of the stuff you describe- and my parents really didn't care WHAT I watched. They knew I was mature enough to handle it. (And they had no issues with me watching R rated movies with them, and my stepdud even knew I had seen his porn stash....)

CyberCubed
02-08-2017, 10:38 PM
Well if these parents/Christians are making a big deal out of kids franchises like Pokemon, Harry Potter, Ninja Turtles and Power Rangers....then it is rather obvious these people have no idea what real violent shows actually are like or what kids are actually watching.

It's hard to believe when you read old news articles about parents complaining the original TMNT cartoon was "too violent." The show was literally filled with slapstick action scenes and barely any fighting in a lot of episodes, yet apparently that was considered violent to them.

Seriously, I'd love for these people to see anime with characters getting stabbed, their arms ripped off, killed, female nudity everywhere, etc.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-09-2017, 07:26 AM
Duke Nukem 3D came out just after a mass shooting here in Australia where 35 people were killed. As a result, the game had to be heavily censored before it was allowed to be sold. All the blood and gore was removed, because lobby groups were convinced that the shooting, and violent entertainment were somehow related.

Even back then I knew it was BS because they also removed the strippers and sexual references. Did boobies also drive the gunman to mass murder? It was just the usual group of fundamentalists and holier-than-thou parents groups using a tragedy to extend their influence.

The dumbest part of it was that none of them understood computer games at all, and they had no idea that you could simply open one of the game's config files in a text editor, change a setting that =1 to =0, and all the censored content was back in.

Is it this one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

April 1996.

Storm Eagle
02-09-2017, 11:17 AM
True, but sometimes I get the impression you either really watch much more of those than you let on, or have had a very sheltered life in terms of what parents and kids are aware of. As a teen I was certainly aware of a lot of the stuff you describe- and my parents really didn't care WHAT I watched. They knew I was mature enough to handle it. (And they had no issues with me watching R rated movies with them, and my stepdud even knew I had seen his porn stash....)

I like to think my mother thought I was mature enough to handle such shows when I was a teenager, and that she probably just forbade me to watch certain shows on principle alone. The original Beavis and Butt-head series was active from when I was 13 to 18, and she made me stop watching this one time she caught me watching it. I remember when MTV would have these marathons and I'd always miss out because she'd be around, or because I just simply wouldn't be home to enjoy them.

Robocop came out when I was eight, and she let my father take me to see that. She thought it would be like Transformers, but she didn't seem to do her research. It was rated R, and now she tells me that she wouldn't have let me see it if she knew. Odd thing is, I was never even interested in seeing Robocop back then. The only rated R movie I remember her letting me watch was Boyz 'n the Hood, and I was 12, both when it came out, and when it debuted on cable. She might have made an exception because of its message. It's not a movie I was compelled to see, but it's cool.

I knew a woman who, when her son was in kindergarten, his teacher told her about how he'd often draw Ninja Turtles and Power Rangers, and how she was concerned that it was a sign that he'd grow up to be violent. The lady told me that she thought the teacher was so full of crap, that it wasn't funny. I know that she raised her son better than that. At the time, her son was ten, and she said that he's an A-student, refuses to curse, and was even teaching a friend how to defend himself. He must be 27 right now, and I'd bet he grew up to be a fine young man.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-09-2017, 11:50 AM
There's the current SJW moral panic on how offensive everything is affecting video games now. Ironic how the left can be as censor happy as the right was.

I remember as a kid anime was blamed for everything, since it was anime they did have plenty of perverted/violent stuff, Saint Seiya, Ranma etc were among the popular shows at the time. :lol:

I like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A73ZSt9gWTs

BubblyShell22
02-09-2017, 01:49 PM
Here are some of the things I remember:

1. Harry Potter was given flack for being Satanic. This amused me so much that in college I did my Capstone essay on Harry Potter and Christianity and brought up that there are quite a few Christian morals within the series such as the whole good vs. evil thing.

2. When the purple Teletubby was labeled as gay because he was purple.

3. When there was a red Teletubby doll that said the phrases, "F****t" and "Bite my butt" when you pressed the stomach.

4. Aladdin drew criticism because someone thought Aladdin whispered for Jasmine to take her clothes off when in reality he was telling Rajah to "take off and go."

5. The Lion King also drew criticism because in the scene where Simba plops down and the flowers spread out, someone thought they saw the word SEX in the flowers when it was really SFX that was in the flowers.

Mayhem
02-09-2017, 01:54 PM
2. When the purple Teletubby was labeled as gay because he was purple.
The purple Tellytubby (Tinky Winky) was labelled gay because he carried (what we'd call) a handbag. I suspect the antenna shape also carried significance in the US because the gay pride symbol is a triangle?

ProactiveMan
02-09-2017, 08:00 PM
...and his name is Tinky Winky. I don't buy that whole thing though. It smacks of something some journalists made up on a slow day.

DisKosh
02-09-2017, 08:21 PM
Pokémon and Harry Potter were paths to Satan when I was a kid.

Yeah, my parents forbade Pokemon and they weren't too keen on Harry Potter. Though come to think of it, they allowed Pokemon books so I suspect it may have been down to money and the religion was an excuse...

They never went as far as claiming they were paths to Satan, just that they weren't very Christian which seems odd because they were okay with the Horrid Henry books which basically glorifies bad behaviour.

Refractive Reflections
02-09-2017, 08:22 PM
Funny how things have reversed, in how leftists and SJWs are now selectively censoring free speech (through virtue signaling and political correctness) & create their own form of moral panic because of how it might be perceived as offensive.

...Remember when it used to be the puritanical conservatives?
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CyberCubed
02-09-2017, 08:33 PM
LOL, remember when gay people on television was considered controversial? Then lesbian kissing on TV circa around the late 90's and early 2000's started to become mainstream, and then it was everywhere in TV and movies in the 2000's? I think it was the movie Wild Things with Denise Richards that really kicked it off, and then Sarah Michelle Gellar in "Cruel Intentions." Then of course Britney/Madonna/Christina at the 2004 MTV music awards.

Now it's so mainstream I'm so indifferent to it.

DisKosh
02-09-2017, 08:36 PM
Here are some of the things I remember:
4. Aladdin drew criticism because someone thought Aladdin whispered for Jasmine to take her clothes off when in reality he was telling Rajah to "take off and go."

5. The Lion King also drew criticism because in the scene where Simba plops down and the flowers spread out, someone thought they saw the word SEX in the flowers when it was really SFX that was in the flowers.

If you're interested, the musical parody of Aladdin 'Twisted' included a song that satirized those misunderstandings. It's called 'Take Off Your Clothes' and should be available on youtube.

plastroncafe
02-09-2017, 09:01 PM
Funny how things have reversed, in how leftists and SJWs are now selectively censoring free speech (through virtue signaling and political correctness) & create their own form of moral panic because of how it might be perceived as offensive.

...Remember when it used to be the puritanical conservatives?


Don't have to remember, as it's ongoing.
Puritanical conservatives are large, in charge, and still fighting to maintain the status quo.

Utrommaniac
02-09-2017, 09:05 PM
If you're interested, the musical parody of Aladdin 'Twisted' included a song that satirized those misunderstandings. It's called 'Take Off Your Clothes' and should be available on youtube.

They even made fun of the "priest boner" from The Little Mermaid.
("No, I think that's just his knees")
And the phallic palace towers
("Now what do you think that looks like?"
"...A giraffe.")

Glad that someone else here has made some talk about Twisted, though.

Refractive Reflections
02-09-2017, 09:08 PM
Don't have to remember, as it's ongoing.
Puritanical conservatives are large, in charge, and still fighting to maintain the status quo.

:lol: Safe spaces sure are insulating, aren't they?

So what is the status quo when leftist ideology is prominent and overbearing in: Hollywood, the Entertainment Industry, Silicon Valley, Media, Academia, and Big Business?

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ToTheNines
02-09-2017, 09:14 PM
...and his name is Tinky Winky. I don't buy that whole thing though. It smacks of something some journalists made up on a slow day.

Didn't he show up to the big Pride parade in NYC back in like '99? Might have just been some dude dressed up as him.

Utrommaniac
02-09-2017, 09:47 PM
You do make a good point that there are left-wing moral panics.

For every "Pokémon is about demons" there is a "Pokémon promotes animal fighting/abuse". For every "Harry Potter is promoting devil worship" there is a "Harry Potter incites using literal children to fight against forces adults couldn't finish themselves". Which could also slide into: For every "Dumbledore is gay and gay is bad!", there is a "Dumbledore was a manipulative wuss at the end of his life in spite of the many successes of his prime and endangered the life of a teenage boy".

Heck, there's even points where both sides can share a panic. Namely that of child endangerment. For example, A Series of Unfortunate Events.
There's the suggestion that someone would dare to make a 13-book series focusing on adults tormenting children, without a competent grown-up in sight, because that never happens in real life! (It does), and that it was planting the idea in children that not all adults are trustworthy.
I recently saw someone point out a comment on Netflix's A Series of Unfortunate Events. "I stopped watching when Olaf slapped Klaus. Child abuse is never okay". (I'm glad I wasn't drinking when I read that comment because I probably would have spit it out laughing)
Who knows if that person is right or left. What they are is airheaded for missing everything up to the point where the abuse became physical. There are others who get wound up because of the impression of the adults being presented as dumb and careless. Who knows if they're left or right. It doesn't matter. It just shows that they themselves would probably be the dumb and careless adults if they were in the story.

The moral panics of one group do not excuse the moral panics of another. They never do. And it does not help to incite the hair triggers of either group. It just reduces your own group's credibility.

plastroncafe
02-09-2017, 10:30 PM
:lol: Safe spaces sure are insulating, aren't they?

Right?
What's the weather like inside yours?

You go from shouting down SJWs to complaining about how they censor other people. Does shifting gears that quickly give you whiplash?

So what is the status quo when leftist ideology is prominent and overbearing in: Hollywood, the Entertainment Industry, Silicon Valley, Media, Academia, and Big Business?


Oh yes, the big badlefties are coming for you.
They're coming for your soul!
Look out! They're right behind you!

CLUTCH YOUR PEARLS!


You do make a good point that there are left-wing moral panics.

For every "Pokémon is about demons" there is a "Pokémon promotes animal fighting/abuse". For every "Harry Potter is promoting devil worship" there is a "Harry Potter incites using literal children to fight against forces adults couldn't finish themselves". Which could also slide into: For every "Dumbledore is gay and gay is bad!", there is a "Dumbledore was a manipulative wuss at the end of his life in spite of the many successes of his prime and endangered the life of a teenage boy".

Heck, there's even points where both sides can share a panic. Namely that of child endangerment. For example, A Series of Unfortunate Events.
There's the suggestion that someone would dare to make a 13-book series focusing on adults tormenting children, without a competent grown-up in sight, because that never happens in real life! (It does), and that it was planting the idea in children that not all adults are trustworthy.
I recently saw someone point out a comment on Netflix's A Series of Unfortunate Events. "I stopped watching when Olaf slapped Klaus. Child abuse is never okay". (I'm glad I wasn't drinking when I read that comment because I probably would have spit it out laughing)
Who knows if that person is right or left. What they are is airheaded for missing everything up to the point where the abuse became physical. There are others who get wound up because of the impression of the adults being presented as dumb and careless. Who knows if they're left or right. It doesn't matter. It just shows that they themselves would probably be the dumb and careless adults if they were in the story.

The moral panics of one group do not excuse the moral panics of another. They never do. And it does not help to incite the hair triggers of either group. It just reduces your own group's credibility.

Both sides of the spectrum have their share of shrieking eels, that's for certain. But I think it's important to not conflate the social mores of one individual with that of an entire movement.

Me believing that pokemon is kiddie cockfighting is not the same thing as the Christianist movement to have it banned because it promotes evolution.

That airhead you spoke of, the one who didn't like seeing Klaus get smacked, might have very personal reasons for being uncomfortable with that scene.
And while the rest of the terrible things were perfectly fine, due to the unrealistic nature of the unfortunate events in question, that one act was just too much.

I think like...how different the violence is in say the Predator movies vs that of say Fight Club. I don't find the former disturbing, but I find the latter unsettling.

Everyone has different boundaries, it's important to not be a dick about them.

Utrommaniac
02-09-2017, 10:54 PM
Everyone has different boundaries, it's important to not be a dick about them.

Yep, that's basically the idea I was trying to get across, and you even had some good points about my examples.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-10-2017, 02:13 AM
I think most of the left aren't that extreme, and ban their children from reading the books or comics, watching the films, playing with the toys or whatever.

Candy Kappa
02-10-2017, 05:12 AM
I've only seen unironic complaints about Pokemon promoting animal abuse and cockfighting by PETA, and screw those terrorists supporters.

plastroncafe
02-10-2017, 10:38 AM
They really are the worst, aren't they?
I mean, you've really got to go out of your way to garner as much hate as they do with a name and mission statement as innocuous as theirs.

Who isn't for the ethical treatment of animals?
PeTA apparently.

Sage Ninja
02-10-2017, 11:09 AM
I never cared for how some of my really old Rankin Bass movies sometimes got censored when it made its conversion to DVD. Not very censored but Smal things would get edited out. Like the oh so mild swear word "damn" would be muted. Like in the last unicorn the word damn was used a handful of times and the were all taken out. Same with the secret of nymn, damn was removed from the DVD version. It's funny that these old movies had both content and mild language in it that was considered OK to be put into a kids film at one point but down the road it's is taken out.

Utrommaniac
02-10-2017, 11:43 AM
Haha, I got a little confused when you mentioned Rankin Bass. My first thought was "I don't recall any swearing" because the most Rankin Bass I watched was the Christmas Specials. Then I remembered "Oh yeah, they did other stuff".

Jester
02-10-2017, 12:12 PM
Literally everything probably had a moral outrage/panic. Just track down the works of Phil Phillips and John Hake Robie.

CyberCubed
02-10-2017, 12:13 PM
Religious people hate everything. News at 11.

Jester
02-10-2017, 12:22 PM
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CyberCubed
02-10-2017, 12:29 PM
It's just that religious people are so quick to denounce anything as evil.

Videogames are the devil! TV is the devil! Movies are the devil! Coca Cola is the devil! Rock and Roll is the devil! Tattoo's are the devil! Ice skating is the devil! Having two girlfriends is the devil!

It's why I'm not religious at all and barely practice religion. What the hell is the point of denying yourself experience anything in life just because some old preachers tell you not to? To hell with them!

ToTheNines
02-10-2017, 12:40 PM
I've only seen unironic complaints about Pokemon promoting animal abuse and cockfighting by PETA, and screw those terrorists supporters.

Kids are/were smart enough to distinguish the difference between pokemon and real animals. But within the context of that fictional universe, that's exactly what it was, no?

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He's more Jar Jar/C-3PO than Sith.

Candy Kappa
02-10-2017, 12:55 PM
Kids are/were smart enough to distinguish the difference between pokemon and real animals. But within the context of that fictional universe, that's exactly what it was, no?

Not really, thought. The Pokemon is all aboard having a trainer and getting stronger together, even down to jealously attacking other Pokemon with owners.

CyberCubed
02-10-2017, 02:06 PM
There are literally dozens of Japanese RPG's and anime that have human characters use monsters/animals to battle each other. I wonder why Pokemon is only targeted when there's dozens of other shows and videogames that do the same thing.

TheSkeletonMan939
02-10-2017, 02:14 PM
There are literally dozens of Japanese RPG's and anime that have human characters use monsters/animals to battle each other. I wonder why Pokemon is only targeted when there's dozens of other shows and videogames that do the same thing.

1) Pokemon is way more popular than whatever else you're thinking of
2) Pokemon are usually kinda cute-looking

CyberCubed
02-10-2017, 02:56 PM
2) Pokemon are usually kinda cute-looking

This is what Pokemon look like nowadays:

http://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/sites/idigitaltimes.com/files/2016/11/17/pokemon-midnight-locations.jpg

Pokemon has always had a mix of cute and monster/menacing looking designs.

Utrommaniac
02-10-2017, 03:39 PM
You're...using the game legendaries as an example? They've always been a little more on the bad@$$ side of design. It would be like using Lugia and Ho-Oh to describe 2nd Gen Pokemon designs.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-10-2017, 03:42 PM
I always wondered how the Legend of Zelda videogames have managed to avoid all atacks.

Utrommaniac
02-10-2017, 03:48 PM
They certainly didn't escape my ex-boyfriend's evangelical family. Who were "those" sort of Sonic the Hedgehog people.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-10-2017, 03:51 PM
They certainly didn't escape my ex-boyfriend's evangelical family. Who were "those" sort of Sonic the Hedgehog people.

What more did they attack than just Zelda?

Utrommaniac
02-10-2017, 03:53 PM
Mom and the kids decided to watch the Harry Potter films under dad's nose while he was out of town.

But the Twilight Saga, both the books and the films, were perfectly AOK for them. Which I found incredibly unsettling.

Jephael
02-10-2017, 03:57 PM
Videogames are the devil! TV is the devil! Movies are the devil! Coca Cola is the devil! Rock and Roll is the devil! Tattoo's are the devil! Ice skating is the devil! Having two girlfriends is the devil!

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CyberCubed
02-10-2017, 04:14 PM
I always wondered how the Legend of Zelda videogames have managed to avoid all atacks.

Zelda isn't well known outside of videogame fans. Mario and Pokemon became cultural phenomenons outside of just games.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-10-2017, 04:17 PM
Zelda isn't well known outside of videogame fans.

it is well-known even outside, if they're born around 1975 or later.

CyberCubed
02-10-2017, 04:21 PM
it is well-known even outside, if they're born around 1975 or later.

Not anywhere as much. Even Donkey Kong is more well known to the general public than Zelda.

Utrommaniac
02-10-2017, 04:38 PM
I'm pretty sure Donkey Kong has fallen out of the public eye a little bit more than Zelda, at least as a Nintendo franchise. Zelda games probably are a bit more well known, but the Grown Ups™ of the public would be more liable to refer to Link as "Zelda".

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-10-2017, 04:44 PM
I'm pretty sure Donkey Kong has fallen out of the public eye a little bit more than Zelda, at least as a Nintendo franchise. Zelda games probably are a bit more well known, but the Grown Ups™ of the public would be more liable to refer to Link as "Zelda".

I guess a lot of people count Donkey Kong as the Mario universe (which it also is). It doesn't require extremely much videogame knowledge.

Storm Eagle
02-10-2017, 04:59 PM
I always wondered how the Legend of Zelda videogames have managed to avoid all atacks.

What do you think they'd be attacked for?

BubblyShell22
02-10-2017, 05:31 PM
It's just that religious people are so quick to denounce anything as evil.

Videogames are the devil! TV is the devil! Movies are the devil! Coca Cola is the devil! Rock and Roll is the devil! Tattoo's are the devil! Ice skating is the devil! Having two girlfriends is the devil!

It's why I'm not religious at all and barely practice religion. What the hell is the point of denying yourself experience anything in life just because some old preachers tell you not to? To hell with them!

Don't kid yourself, Cubed. We all know you practice voodoo and secretly have a voodoo doll of Michael Bay so you can curse him every night.

plastroncafe
02-10-2017, 07:49 PM
Mom and the kids decided to watch the Harry Potter films under dad's nose while he was out of town.

But the Twilight Saga, both the books and the films, were perfectly AOK for them. Which I found incredibly unsettling.

The Twilight Saga was heavily influenced by the beliefs of the Church of Latter Day Saints.

Refractive Reflections
02-10-2017, 08:38 PM
Right?
What's the weather like inside yours?

You go from shouting down SJWs to complaining about how they censor other people. Does shifting gears that quickly give you whiplash?

Well it's true about SJWs. SJWs are for diversity, except when it comes to diversity of thought. ...And clearly your oversensitivity in saying that I'm "shouting" when I presented another point of view of criticism, says more about yourself than me. Triggered? :lol:


Oh yes, the big badlefties are coming for you.
They're coming for your soul!
Look out! They're right behind you!

CLUTCH YOUR PEARLS!

When a leftist culture and a government make others force to do things against their religion and rules against freedom of speech, then what do you call it then?
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...But by all means continue to insulate yourself in your safe space, as I can see how easily triggered you can become.

plastroncafe
02-10-2017, 09:19 PM
Well it's true about SJWs. SJWs are for diversity, except when it comes to diversity of thought. ...And clearly your oversensitivity in saying that I'm "shouting" when I presented another point of view of criticism, says more about yourself than me. Triggered? :lol:

You're confusing tolerance for approval again.
I know the two are often conflated, but... they don't mean the same thing.

And no, I'm not triggered.
I'd say you'd know if I was, but considering you'll never get close enough to me to see it the point would be moot.

...But by all means continue to insulate yourself in your safe space, as I can see how easily triggered you can become.

Dude, again.
You haven't seen me triggered.
You likely won't ever see me triggered.

As for safe spaces, that's really all people who rail about PC culture are whining about.
They want the world to be their safe space.
They don't want to hear people talk about things that don't benefit them directly.

Utrommaniac
02-10-2017, 09:21 PM
Triggered? :lol:

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The Twilight Saga was heavily influenced by the beliefs of the Church of Latter Day Saints.

My ex and his family weren't Latter Day Saints, though. They were Mega Church™ evangelicals. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't care for the ideals of LDS members either.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-11-2017, 02:54 AM
What do you think they'd be attacked for?

Fantasy and fairytales in general is usually a main-target for such attacks.

ProactiveMan
02-11-2017, 07:34 AM
I've only seen unironic complaints about Pokemon promoting animal abuse and cockfighting by PETA, and screw those terrorists supporters.

PETA will go after anything that gets them in the news. They took a swipe at Super Mario Bros. a couple of years ago, asserting that the Tanooki Suit promoted the fur trade in some way.

They said they were trying to raise awareness of the plight of the Japanese Raccoon Dog, and publicly denouncing Mario's wardrobe was a clever way to do it. The thing is though, they did it around the same time that a new Mario game was coming out, and I don't recall PETA saying much about Japanese Raccoon Dogs before, so I suspect they just wanted to hijack some publicity for themselves.

ToTheNines
02-11-2017, 05:47 PM
Not really, thought. The Pokemon is all aboard having a trainer and getting stronger together, even down to jealously attacking other Pokemon with owners.

I mean, isn't the poor fight dog also "all aboard" with killing smaller practice dogs and fighting other dogs once trained to do so?

MsMarvelDuckie
02-11-2017, 08:20 PM
I never cared for how some of my really old Rankin Bass movies sometimes got censored when it made its conversion to DVD. Not very censored but Smal things would get edited out. Like the oh so mild swear word "damn" would be muted. Like in the last unicorn the word damn was used a handful of times and the were all taken out. Same with the secret of nymn, damn was removed from the DVD version. It's funny that these old movies had both content and mild language in it that was considered OK to be put into a kids film at one point but down the road it's is taken out.


Oddly enough I recently rewatched both Last Unicorn and NIHM and noticed that too. I found it strange, to say the least, as they were still in the old VHS copies I have. It was especially obvious when Lear says it while trying to get the rhyme for his poem to Amalthea.


Fantasy and fairytales in general is usually a main-target for such attacks.


This was the "BIG" target in the 80's. Anything fantasy was considered evil and Satanic. Apparently it goes back to a lot of the artwork and creature/villain lore from fantasy gaming. (One of the original game books for D&D features a group of adventurers stealing a large ruby from a huge idol of a demon. And parents and religious groups decried this cover art as promoting devil worship??!!) The funny part is that most such games and stories are based off of Tolkein's works, which were in turn influenced by Norse, Celtic and Greek mythology. Yet C.S. Lewis did much the same, but put Christian overtones on it and most people didn't bat an eye.....

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-15-2017, 03:55 PM
1984

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnjdq32u-MU

2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n32J3y5e1f8

No mutch change within 30 years...

DisKosh
02-16-2017, 04:06 AM
Fantasy and fairytales in general is usually a main-target for such attacks.

True, apparently some ultra Conservative Christians boycotted the Narnia books due to magic which is ironic. Those books are so religious that my church actually went to see The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe when it came out in cinemas.

Like, are they serious? Even as a kid I could understand the religious imagery (including the anti-Islam sentiments which always made me feel uncomfortable even though I enjoyed the series as a whole).

Storm Eagle
02-16-2017, 06:41 AM
True, apparently some ultra Conservative Christians boycotted the Narnia books due to magic which is ironic. Those books are so religious that my church actually went to see The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe when it came out in cinemas.

Like, are they serious? Even as a kid I could understand the religious imagery (including the anti-Islam sentiments which always made me feel uncomfortable even though I enjoyed the series as a whole).

C.S. Lewis happened to be a devout Christian.

One of my friends, who's also a devout Christian, avoids Harry Potter like the plague, and even told me that she was even debating whether to read Lord of the Rings. J.R.R. Tolkien was also a devout Christian, and I told her that. I guess that's what made it believe it would be okay to read the books.

DisKosh
02-16-2017, 07:44 AM
C.S. Lewis happened to be a devout Christian.

One of my friends, who's also a devout Christian, avoids Harry Potter like the plague, and even told me that she was even debating whether to read Lord of the Rings. J.R.R. Tolkien was also a devout Christian, and I told her that. I guess that's what made it believe it would be okay to read the books.

That's good, to be honest, even if they were anti-Christian, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy them. You don't have to agree with all the content. I certainly do not agree with all the values in the Narnia books regarding the treatment of women and people of colour.

Although his views were progressive for the time and I think media today could learn something from his portrayal of female characters.

As for Harry Potter; the books do have religious symbolism. J.K. Rowling is a Christian and she initially kept quiet about her beliefs out of concern that it would give away the ending. Even one of the popes said that it was positive because the characters do fight evil.

People really need to chill and explore the world beyond their own beliefs.

Utrommaniac
02-16-2017, 10:21 AM
JK Rowling is actually agnostic/atheist.

CyberCubed
02-16-2017, 11:29 AM
I vaguely remember some controversy of how "violent" 90's Disney movies were getting, even though they weren't. Like Alladdin, Lion King, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, etc...a lot of them have impalement or implied violence and death.

I guess it was a sharp contrast to Disney movies from the 40's-70's, which while had some action, it was the 90's that started making the movies more action oriented rather than more "fairy tale" like as the older ones.

Also the way the female characters were designed, you can look up articles about Jasmine and Arial in particular, who basically walk around wearing bikini's for half the film. Jasmine's dress in particular has always struck me as showing way too much skin for a Middle Eastern girl.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-16-2017, 12:30 PM
True, apparently some ultra Conservative Christians boycotted the Narnia books due to magic which is ironic. Those books are so religious that my church actually went to see The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe when it came out in cinemas.

Like, are they serious? Even as a kid I could understand the religious imagery (including the anti-Islam sentiments which always made me feel uncomfortable even though I enjoyed the series as a whole).

Was that the Church of England? (who watched it at cinemas)

DisKosh
02-16-2017, 01:22 PM
JK Rowling is actually agnostic/atheist.

Really? I swear I read somewhere she was a Christian or at very least attended church.

Was that the Church of England? (who watched it at cinemas)

Yes.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-16-2017, 02:30 PM
Yes.

The Anglican, Lutheran and Roman Catholic churches cover millions of members, many of them baptized as infants, spanning population majorities of entire countries. Many of their members are members more of tradition, never attending services and not active pracitcing their faiths. There's no way those churches can be that strict (except some single members)

Storm Eagle
02-19-2017, 02:30 PM
This happened before our time, but I learned that when Twister came out in the late 60s, there was some controversy. Conservative toymakers called it "sex in a box", and Sears didn't even put it in their catalogs.

CyberCubed
02-19-2017, 03:37 PM
This happened before our time, but I learned that when Twister came out in the late 60s, there was some controversy. Conservative toymakers called it "sex in a box",

That's true though. Twister is basically a game of sex positions.

DisKosh
02-20-2017, 02:54 AM
That's true though. Twister is basically a game of sex positions.

Can't be as bad as the vibrating broomstick they brought out. XD