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Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-16-2017, 12:28 PM
In the Archieverse, Krang once took over Shredder's body. I always wondered how that worked? Like what happened to Shredder's head when Krang was there it should be until the turtles loosened Krang from Shredder and then everything was as usual again.

I understand it may have with censoring to do. If it had been like Mirage, Krang would probably just kill Shredder for good, cut his head off and use his body. But instead, we got this without explaination.

neatoman
02-16-2017, 12:50 PM
In the Archieverse, Krang once took over Shredder's body. I always wondered how that worked? Like what happened to Shredder's head when Krang was there it should be until the turtles loosened Krang from Shredder and then everything was as usual again.

I understand it may have with censoring to do. If it had been like Mirage, Krang would probably just kill Shredder for good, cut his head off and use his body. But instead, we got this without explaination.

Mirage wouldn't have done it at all, because Krang wasn't a character in their continuity and they didn't seem like they wanted him either.

Anyway, I'd imagine Krang was somehow wrapped around his head. Like he had a hollow space inside, like a headcrab from Half-Life.

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CyberCubed
02-16-2017, 01:17 PM
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He was just on his head and possessed his body. After the arc ends they show Shredder throw him off.

oldmanwinters
02-16-2017, 01:24 PM
It is mighty weird, I'll confess. Maybe the action figure's inclusion of an air hole on his underbelly wasn't just for show?

CyberCubed
02-16-2017, 01:26 PM
Well keep in mind this is Archie Krang and not Fred Wolf Krang, so Archie Krang could theoretically have some mind possessing powers that the original cartoon one didn't.

Andrew NDB
02-16-2017, 01:28 PM
It's weird because Krang takes Slash's sai (I think? some kind of dagger as I recall), hovers over an unconscious Saki on an operating table and talks about needing to "prune" some things. The implication was that he was going to cut off Saki's head and replace it with himself... but then yeah, later on he just pops off of Saki's head like Saki was just wearing Krang like a helmet the whole time.

Very strange. I kind of wish they'd have left the implication intact, and just kept Krang on Saki's body... though then we wouldn't have gotten a remorseful Saki, indebted to the Turtles, which was interesting, too and unique.

oldmanwinters
02-16-2017, 01:35 PM
Very strange. I kind of wish they'd have left the implication intact, and just kept Krang on Saki's body... though then we wouldn't have gotten a remorseful Saki, indebted to the Turtles, which was interesting, too and unique.

It was definitely one of Shredder's greatest moments in the book, and was probably the first time I ever felt sympathetic toward him. Even more surprising was the fact that he agreed to honor his vow when the turtles called him on it in issue #36. Fred Wolf Shredder would have never been true to his word to such a degree. But after that... Saki clearly wasn't playing favors or making pacts anymore.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
02-16-2017, 02:07 PM
Mirage wouldn't have done it at all, because Krang wasn't a character in their continuity and they didn't seem like they wanted him either.

I know Krang isn't in Mirage, I mean if Archie had been like Mirage in tone.

MikeandRaph87
02-20-2017, 07:36 PM
It was definitely one of Shredder's greatest moments in the book, and was probably the first time I ever felt sympathetic toward him. Even more surprising was the fact that he agreed to honor his vow when the turtles called him on it in issue #36. Fred Wolf Shredder would have never been true to his word to such a degree. But after that... Saki clearly wasn't playing favors or making pacts anymore.

*AHEM*
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***First of Two Latin Kings***
02-20-2017, 08:34 PM
You're all wrong. Bellybomb wanted to borrow Slash's blade, but Krang says "it isn't so much that I need to prune, as re-shape and cast anew... like so!!!" He doesn't just pop off, Raphael pries him off. Shredder says "no longer must I ensure his flesh within my mind." Krang, being made of brain tissue, was able to penetrate and control Shredder's brain, and Shredder, though semi-conscious, couldn't do anything about it.

Coola Yagami
02-26-2017, 03:05 PM
I think what the OP meant was where was Shredder's head the whole time? He wasn't exactly wearing Krang like a hat or anything, Krang fully covered where Shredder's head would be.

So.... did Krang basically shove Shredder's head up his ass or something? That's the kinda disturbing implications behind all this. It's like Krang... somehow has this opening for Shredder's head to fit... and is also able to rearrange his internal organs, assuming he has any, again to make room for Shredder's head to fit.


I feel horribly sorry for Shredder regardless. Yeah, he's evil, but he wasn't exactly a mass murderer in the Archie comics.

Utrommaniac
02-26-2017, 04:25 PM
Not to mention the fact that Krang still wouldn't be big enough, unless his insides follow Non-Euclidian geometry

CyberCubed
02-26-2017, 04:32 PM
It's like Krang... somehow has this opening for Shredder's head to fit... and is also able to rearrange his internal organs, assuming he has any, again to make room for Shredder's head to fit.
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Krang is a squishy brain, he simply wrapped his body around Shredder's head.

Coola Yagami
02-26-2017, 04:43 PM
Krang is a squishy brain, he simply wrapped his body around Shredder's head.

He still needs enough space to 'wrap his body around Shredder's head'. Krang looked exactly the same when he was controlling Shredder, he didn't look squished, bloated or stretched out or anything. For all intents and purposes, it flat out looked like they removed Shredder's head and sat Krang onto his torso, but Shredder was inside Krang the whole time... so I guess he somehow shifted his insides to make room to occupy an entire human head....

ToTheNines
02-26-2017, 04:53 PM
It went up his cloaca.

Andrew NDB
02-27-2017, 01:57 AM
You're all wrong. Bellybomb wanted to borrow Slash's blade, but Krang says "it isn't so much that I need to prune, as re-shape and cast anew... like so!!!" He doesn't just pop off, Raphael pries him off. Shredder says "no longer must I ensure his flesh within my mind." Krang, being made of brain tissue, was able to penetrate and control Shredder's brain, and Shredder, though semi-conscious, couldn't do anything about it.

That sounds right to me.

***First of Two Latin Kings***
02-27-2017, 05:05 AM
That sounds right to me.

You don't sell off your comic collections unless you have them memorized :tlol:

Krang wouldn't have internal organs. He is just a brain without a body. This is the thing which is the thing which is fundamental to the character of Krang.

Andrew NDB
02-27-2017, 09:49 AM
Krang wouldn't have internal organs.

Well... sure he would. He'd have to ingest food or some kind of sustenance to live, so there'd be some kind of gastric system. He wouldn't just be drawing off the molecules in the air. And he certainly has some kind of muscles if he's able to move around and manipulate his tentacles.

He is just a brain without a body. This is the thing which is the thing which is fundamental to the character of Krang.

Not really. There appear to be various conflicting origins in the Fred Wolf show, not all of them placing him as a disembodied brain.

ToTheNines
02-27-2017, 09:55 AM
Yeah, I thought he was a disembodied head. He just happens to resemble a human brain, not unlike the Utroms. Why else would he have eyes and a mouth?

Andrew NDB
02-27-2017, 09:57 AM
Yeah, I thought he was a disembodied head. He just happens to resemble a human brain, not unlike the Utroms. Why else would he have eyes and a mouth?

Well, I'm not sure if he was ever disembodied. Any talk about, "I miss my body! Make me a body, Saki!" I just take to mean that he used to have a really cool android body and he misses it.

Andrew NDB
02-27-2017, 09:59 AM
Krang is a squishy brain, he simply wrapped his body around Shredder's head.

Pretty weird he could contort himself to suit, though. But whatever, he clearly did.

Utrommaniac
02-27-2017, 10:35 AM
Well... sure he would. He'd have to ingest food or some kind of sustenance to live, so there'd be some kind of gastric system. He wouldn't just be drawing off the molecules in the air. And he certainly has some kind of muscles if he's able to move around and manipulate his tentacles.

Especially considering that we've seen him eating and drinking. And, I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure that jaws and eyes don't attach directly to the brain as they do with Krang. There's also the question of how he got the tentacles if he's a brain.
So, he probably is an Utrom that was stripped of his armor when he was banished by.......whoever it was that banished him.

Which just makes taking over Saki's head extremely questionable - and I'd think would not have have been a comfortable experience.

Andrew NDB
02-27-2017, 10:43 AM
Which just makes taking over Saki's head extremely questionable - and I'd think would not have have been a comfortable experience.

Yeah, he must have basically put Saki's whole head in his anus.

Utrommaniac
02-27-2017, 10:49 AM
From what I could tell, it was more in the middle of his body, so probably more like the naval...if Utroms even have that. I imagine they're non-placental, so there would be nothing to leave a scar on their undersides after they're born.

DarkFell
02-27-2017, 11:00 PM
First rule to understanding comic logic: Never delve too far into understanding comic logic.

Because you just might over-do it and go to this bottle.

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There are (at least) a few stupid quips that linger in my mind concerning some of the comments in this thread; the best ones are just better off to be left unsaid. :twink:

***First of Two Latin Kings***
03-03-2017, 04:28 AM
I'm pretty sure he isn't an Utrom in Archie.

Tetsu Deinonychus
03-25-2017, 10:25 AM
Yeah, he must have basically put Saki's whole head in his anus.
This. Krang shoved Shredder up his ass. He's a jerk like that.

And, I chalk up any problems with it to "Comic Book Physics".

neatoman
03-25-2017, 12:51 PM
So Shredder was a buttplug?

CyberCubed
03-26-2017, 04:39 PM
It's kind of ironic this turned out to be Krang's last appearance in the Archie run too. After this they drop Krang back off at the toxic waste planet and he never appears again for the rest of the series. Considering this was only issue 25 and out of a 75+ issue run, they pretty much moved away from Krang (as well as Bebop/Rocksteady), very early on.

Utrommaniac
03-26-2017, 10:02 PM
I have SO much to say about how funny Krang's Morbus situation is in Archie after seeing the IDW take on it.

The successful warlord whose very name strikes fear into the hearts of thousands comes seconds from his death on a toxic lake...

But the bloated spoiled brat who's never had to do anything for himself in his life? He quickly figures out how to make a shelter, build a net, make weapons with sticks that also double as handy food skewers, wrangles a spiky lizard with acidic breath to his will, and kills a successful warlord with said pointed stick.
This is probably why he won't be banished to Morbus in his trial, because he knows how to survive. Unless they don't know about that little situation.

You'd think the roles would be reversed.