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The Turtle Terminator
02-20-2017, 10:52 AM
Well the question is in the title

TurtleTitan97
02-20-2017, 10:56 AM
Bad costumes, terrible writing, Venus....

Need I go on?

DestronMirage22
02-20-2017, 10:58 AM
I personally don't hate it, but I can see why others would. It has horrible writing, bad costume designs, zero characterization, lame villans, all the turtles act like idiots most of the time, and Venus.

(Also, I expect this Next Mutation thread to end up like the others: locked after a few pages)

DestronMirage22
02-20-2017, 10:59 AM
Bad costumes, terrible writing, Venus....

Need I go on?

Wow, we typed the exact same thing at the same time! Must be the general consensus. :lol:

ABrown
02-20-2017, 11:34 AM
I don't hate it, I just don't like it. I found it to be poorly produced, and not every entertaining.

snake
02-20-2017, 11:54 AM
Because it's different.

Autbot_Benz
02-20-2017, 11:59 AM
As others stated **** Writing Bad production Costumes that make the turtle 3 suits look amazing. Venus and the fact that it was Saban making Turtles like Power Rangers. Next Mutation makes Turtles 3 look like a masterpiece

Wesley
02-20-2017, 12:05 PM
I don't hate it, I just don't like it. I found it to be poorly produced, and not every entertaining.

Same here. I actually liked it as a kid, but its flaws are more noticeable as an adult.

ToTheNines
02-20-2017, 12:19 PM
Like most TMNT productions with a bad reputation (Image, Fred Wolf), people tend to magnify the bad qualities and ignore the good.

I mean, it's definitely bad. And Venus as a concept is creatively bankrupt, but she wasn't that bad of a character most times.

Some better suits and less 3 Stoogisms would have went a LONG way for this series. Oh, and the abuse of stock footage was outrageous.

CyberCubed
02-20-2017, 12:26 PM
The series was way too juvenile and toned down for kids, much more than anything else.

IndigoErth
02-20-2017, 12:50 PM
I'll watch it purely from a guilty pleasure standpoint, that its badness makes it amusing, but in its entirety it's pretty cringe-worthy. And I don't enjoy cringing over stuff at the Turtles' expense.

Largely I just regard The Next Mutation kind of like one of those moments in life you just don't want to discuss, with this series being one of those moments for our Turtles. (And like anyone who's been around for 30+ years they've racked up at least a few. lol)



Side note - If I could I would get the Turtles' mocap actors aback together and geared up again, somehow luck out in them having never seen the likes of TNM and that old Christmas special, sit them down to watch it together, then render in the Turtles reacting to it with the mocap. God that would be so worth seeing... And the best way to watch this stuff, with the Turtles' own reactions and commentary. LOL (It would be like TMNT watches alternate universe TMNT meets Mystery Science Theater 3000 meets kids/people react to stuff videos. Way wasn't I born rich so I could make it happen...)

ssjup81
02-20-2017, 02:57 PM
I personally liked Venus ok. I liked the magic aspect to her. Other than that, I don't remember much about the show despite the fact I watched the entire thing at the time. I was in high school and set the VCR to tape it. ^^ I think I was neutral on it.

Powder
02-20-2017, 05:24 PM
As Jester & I have long said, it would've been a little bit less ridiculed if they hadn't been so trigger happy with the goofy sound effects. The fights were fluffy enough on their own, but hearing a clown horn when someone gets kicked really takes ALL the wind out of it. :tlol:

Sabacooza
02-20-2017, 07:35 PM
As Jester & I have long said, it would've been a little bit less ridiculed if they hadn't been so trigger happy with the goofy sound effects. The fights were fluffy enough on their own, but hearing a clown horn when someone gets kicked really takes ALL the wind out of it. :tlol:Agreed. The sound effects were as retarded as hell. It reminded me of the German version of the 1990 movie when they were fighting the foot in April's apartment. Granted, some of the fighting was a bit goofy to begin with but those cartoon sound effects made it totally ridiculous.

plastroncafe
02-20-2017, 08:24 PM
It was a bad idea poorly executed.

turtlefanforever
02-20-2017, 10:19 PM
People can't deal with change. It was the first real change to the franchise (tv medium wise) and they couldnt handle it. And a lot of people hate it simply cause others hate it. Bandwagon and whatnot.

A lot of them were also P-O'd it wasnt "dark and gritty"

DevilSpooky
02-21-2017, 03:55 AM
I Don't hate it per say, but I do dislike it, I do hate the sound effects though, also lame villains (Bonesteel excluded, he rocked) and I do hate how they made the main characters other then Raph (he's the same hot-head as usually), Leo is just a Raph wannabe, always angry and with a short temper, Don is stupid, lets himself be played like a fiddle by Quease and even when he founds out he still lets him get his way with him, and Mikey... it's like he just doesn't care anymore, he's just there. Then there's Splinter, laughs all the time, talks to himself, he just became senile, and would it kill them to use a male actor inside his costume? Or at least have the girl act more manly, his body language is obviously female, it's scary.

Then there's the Shredder, god he's so bad, did they pick a random guy from the street to play him? Seriously, at least pick someone who at least knows how to act badly, it would be a huge improvement.

Now I'll get some hate from this but I do enjoy Venus, but the poor thing gets it rough, even in the show, the boys treat her like crap, always making fun of her and talk down to her, way to show kids how to treat girls Saban...

All in all, great ideias, really, REALLY poorly execution.

neatoman
02-21-2017, 05:26 AM
I haven't seen it in full (and isn't going to for the forseeable future) but the reason seems to be that it's just kind of lame, has some bad ideas and a lack of familiarity.

GoldMutant
02-21-2017, 08:19 AM
I certainly feel if Saban didn't force a "girl Turtle" in as well as toning down the amount of sound effects and maybe fix the costumes, then Next Mutation would be an underrated entry in the franchise.

Of course, it is extremely cheesy, but there's still a vast amount of good ideas in it. You got villains such as Silver, Vam Mi, and Simon Bonesteel who can certainly work, especially with the first two tying into gang wars and mysticism respectively. Also to an extent, I like Venus but I do agree with the general consensus that her addition wasn't entirely the best.

I see why it's considered one of the weakest iterations in TMNT, but it's still fun to poke fun at it in addition to wondering "what if" with the series. Only thing I'm wondering is due to Saban if we can actually see these characters again.

turtlefanforever
02-21-2017, 03:27 PM
I and I do hate how they made the main characters , Don is stupid, lets himself be played like a fiddle by Quease and even when he founds out he still lets him get his way with him,

All in all, great ideias.

Don isn't stupid that just speaks to how smart Quease really is. Take Dragon Ball Z for example. A new villian pops up. Kills Goku. And you're left thinking "oh crap he must be powerful he destroyed Goku"

It's a measuring stick. Don is the smartest person in the franchise but Dr. Quease is so intelligent that HE looks up to him! It just shows how smart Quease really is.

Andrew NDB
02-21-2017, 03:28 PM
Hating on TNM doesn't seem fair. It's like picking on a kid with down's syndrome, or something.

pferreira
02-23-2017, 09:36 AM
The reason I don't like The Next Mutation is simply that it doesn't feel enough like Turtles. It feels like a Saban produced show, a sort of "what would happen if Saban made Ninja Turtles" scenario come to life. Turtles deserved better than a Power Rangers style production.

I also thought adding a fifth female Turtle ruined the whole thing. The irony of course is if this was done today it would be embraced by the mainstream media for being progressive. :o

turtlefanforever
02-23-2017, 12:02 PM
It was a bad idea poorly executed.

Leave it to plastron to put down strong female characters.

TurtleTitan97
02-23-2017, 12:04 PM
Leave it to plastron to put down strong female characters.

Oh brother. Getting a little defensive, aren't we? :roll:

plastroncafe
02-23-2017, 12:06 PM
It's kind of cute, really.

Sage Ninja
02-23-2017, 12:19 PM
Leave it to plastron to put down strong female characters.

why did you single out plastron's criticism of the show when most of the comments are doing exactly the same thing in more detail. Also how did you get a "putting strong female characters down" vibe off of her pretty neutral comment?

Autbot_Benz
02-23-2017, 02:39 PM
turtlefanforever is a special kind of troll. he gets defensive whenever anyone talks bad about TNM its hilarious:lol:

Tetsu Deinonychus
02-25-2017, 11:04 AM
People can't deal with change. It was the first real change to the franchise (tv medium wise) and they couldnt handle it. And a lot of people hate it simply cause others hate it. Bandwagon and whatnot.

A lot of them were also P-O'd it wasnt "dark and gritty"

And, for every one of those there are millions who dislike it for being very poorly written and produced.

Of course, anyone who still liked it for what it was (I guess the villains like Dragon Lord, Vam Mi, and Bonesteel have some charm and I can see where someone might like Venus, I don't, but I can see why someone might). But, I think most would agree that it was just a really bad show, and not some sort of "misunderstood gem" that you're painting it as.

But, if you like it, more power to ya!

turtlefanforever
02-25-2017, 03:43 PM
I had the benefit of seeing without any outside opinions influencing me. If you've read all the hate before you see it you're already screwed and arent able to enjoy it and view it as the misunderstood gem it really is.

And I don't see how it was poorly produced. Seemed on par with shows at the time.


And on the plastron comment. She preaches equality and is saying a stromg female character added to the franchise is/was a bad idea.

ssjup81
02-25-2017, 05:00 PM
I guess I need to revisit this show again someday, because I just don't get the Venus hate. I know I haven't seen this since it originally aired, but I liked her character, personally.

dragonside
02-25-2017, 05:12 PM
The sound effects = soooo stoop

so stoop

If they made the tone a bit more serious - and half the scenes not looking like a rag tag gorilla shot.

I think it could have been a good series.

Out of all the voices I would say that most of the Turtles' voices were terrible.
Like ugh.

ToTheNines
02-25-2017, 05:24 PM
I had the benefit of seeing without any outside opinions influencing me. If you've read all the hate before you see it you're already screwed and arent able to enjoy it and view it as the misunderstood gem it really is.

You're making great assumptions here.

And I don't see how it was poorly produced. Seemed on par with shows at the time.

There's no denying it was pretty low-budget. Bad lip syncing, shoddy costumes, a ton of reused stock footage, and TWO clip show episodes in a 26 part season.


And on the plastron comment. She preaches equality and is saying a stromg female character added to the franchise is/was a bad idea.

Venus was a Mary Sue and an unabashed marketing ploy.

plastroncafe
02-25-2017, 05:28 PM
I guess I need to revisit this show again someday, because I just don't get the Venus hate. I know I haven't seen this sense it originally aired, but I liked her character, personally.

I think I saw maybe two or three episodes when it originally aired, and then just moved on. Power Rangers never really did it for me, and this show was basically a turtle-shaped riff on that.

I'd be curious to see how it's production values, or lack thereof, have aged...but I don't know that I currently have enough booze in the house at the moment for a rewatch to be possible.

Candy Kappa
02-25-2017, 05:41 PM
And on the plastron comment. She preaches equality and is saying a stromg female character added to the franchise is/was a bad idea.

Venus wasn't a strong female character, she was a glorified The Girl trope that had overpowered magic abilities and was a annoying "fish out of water" type on top of it as she continually spoke phrases wrong and had to be corrected by the Turtles. She wasn't a natural part of the group and just felt like a tacked on character that the Turtles could perv/romance over.

And shellboobs, and she's named after a artwork rather then an artist making her even more outside of the group. And calling Chinese Magic-Users for Shinobi.

If you want a good example of a strong, well written female Turtle character, Sophie's fancomic of SotO is the place to go.

plastroncafe
02-25-2017, 05:48 PM
They're not looking for decent representations of female characters, they're trolling for attention. It's best to just pat them on the head, give them a You Tried participation ribbon, and let them be on their way.

Autbot_Benz
02-25-2017, 06:16 PM
just Tell trollfanforever to go to his safe space its not worth arguing with him

Prowler
02-25-2017, 09:56 PM
I don't. The damage it left on the franchise was WAY smaller than the one the Bay movies have done on it. Your average Joe doesn't even remember what the TNM or might not even know about it. Plus it came out at a time where the TMNT popularity was pretty much dead.

Anyway, bad writing and crappy costumes aside, introducing a female Turtle just like that wasn't something the fanbase was ever going to accept. People would faster accept the anime TMNT as canon than Venus de Milo's existence.

I guess if it came out nowadays it'd be embraced by all the SJWs and such since "OMG female representation!" and wtv.

Tetsu Deinonychus
03-01-2017, 01:20 PM
I had the benefit of seeing without any outside opinions influencing me.
So did I.

If you've read all the hate before you see it you're already screwed and arent able to enjoy it and view it as the misunderstood gem it really is.
I watched it when it first came out and I didn't have any internet access back then (had never even been on the internet), and had no contact with any other TMNT fan. I watched it excited to have a new TMNT show and was willing to give Venus a chance.

I found it to be terrible.

Not everyone who disagrees with you about a TV show is closed-minded or brainwashed or "on the bandwagon" or whatever you're accusing us of. By most people's standards it just wasn't a good show. If you found enough good about it to like it, by all means, watch it! Enjoy it! Just don't expect everyone to agree with you.


And I don't see how it was poorly produced. Seemed on par with shows at the time.

Well, there were a LOT of poorly produced children's action shows back then. Saban was churning them out by the truckload in the late '90s, and not all of them even had the benefit of a superior Japanese counterpart to borrow designs and action footage from.

And on the plastron comment. She preaches equality and is saying a stromg female character added to the franchise is/was a bad idea.
She was a female character, but not many would consider her a "strong" one. I would say she was background scenery at best and a "Mary-sue" at worst. A decent rendition of April or Karai would have been better, IMO.

I don't. The damage it left on the franchise was WAY smaller than the one the Bay movies have done on it. Your average Joe doesn't even remember what the TNM or might not even know about it. Plus it came out at a time where the TMNT popularity was pretty much dead.

I have noticed the hate has softened lately. I think it was hated more when it seemed like it was the "last word" on the franchise. Now that we've known for over a decade that NM isn't going to be the last TMNT thing ever, and had no lasting damage on TMNT as a whole, most people still aren't going to like it, but will realize it's presence in TMNT history is fairly harmless.

sdp
03-01-2017, 01:33 PM
TNM rox !!!

Prowler
03-01-2017, 03:57 PM
Yeah, Testu. I cannot bring myself to have on The Next Mutation. The general audience doesn't even remember it and let alone accepts it as canon. Most people probably don't even know it existed in the first place.

Gunpowder
03-01-2017, 09:17 PM
I remember watching the first 10 episodes (approx.) while it was on Netflix. I didn't hate it...was actually sort of entertained by it, but I enjoyed it for its lameness, not because it had quality (it didn't). Laird himself hated it. Venus was only a thing because the network wouldn't have aired the show otherwise, and Eastman gave in. But Laird hated her with a passion.

I keep coming across the DVD's for this show, and contemplate buying them every time I do. But I doubt I will.

If you've read all the hate before you see it you're already screwed and arent able to enjoy it and view it as the misunderstood gem it really is.

It was the opposite with me. I went into it with abysmal expectations, and ended up semi-enjoying it because of that. Same reason I ended up liking TMNT III - which I'll still willingly watch, and enjoy.

Venus wasn't a strong female character, she was a glorified The Girl trope that had overpowered magic abilities and was a annoying "fish out of water" type on top of it as she continually spoke phrases wrong and had to be corrected by the Turtles.

I kinda liked that, actually... :tlol: Forgot about it til you mentioned it.

pferreira
03-02-2017, 09:56 AM
There's no denying it was pretty low-budget. Bad lip syncing, shoddy costumes, a ton of reused stock footage, and TWO clip show episodes in a 26 part season.As I mentioned in my previous post very typical of Saban productions.

I guess if it came out nowadays it'd be embraced by all the SJWs and such since "OMG female representation!" and wtv.As well as the mainstream media and if Turtles fans went up in arms about her inclusion there would be articles reporting on fans being misogynist Internet trolls. See Ghostbusters for further reference. ;)

MathUser
03-05-2017, 10:40 AM
I don't hate it. I wanted to see it since I learned it was a sequel series to the movies. I like that they use the abandoned subway tunnel from TMNT2. I think the girl turtle bothered me some back then but now I don't mind. I watched almost the whole series now.

sdp
03-05-2017, 12:33 PM
Another quarterly TNM thread with the same replies, I think instead of replying individually I should just write a huge ass post and post it every time this thread arises.

Real reason why people don't like TNM?
Most of the original fanbase were in their teens or early teens when the show came out so of course they weren't going to like it since it was aimed at kids. And when the it came to the internet the early adoters of it dictated the opinion future generations should have of a show which is why most "hate" it based on articles on popular websites than their own real opinion. I was a kid and thought this show looked awesome, sadly I didn't really get to see much of it until I was an adult, and of course if you watch it only as an adult and have read how bad it is then you'll see all the faults.

So I gathered most of the opinions and most of us agree the Power Rangers production doesn't work, it does for me but I understand why it doesn't. Most agree the suits aren't great. I think they're pretty good for TV quality, at least they can move around. Poor writing? Yes it's very inconsistent but not all of it was bad, there are some nice plots here and there.

The rest I thought they deserved individual responses.

Venus....

lame villans, and Venus.

Venus
I also thought adding a fifth female Turtle ruined the whole thing. The irony of course is if this was done today it would be embraced by the mainstream media for being progressive. :o
I mean, it's definitely bad. And Venus as a
concept is creatively bankrupt, but she wasn't that bad of a character most
times.
Venus wasn't a strong female character, she was a glorified The Girl trope that had overpowered magic abilities and was a annoying "fish out of water" type on top of it as she continually spoke phrases wrong and had to be corrected by the Turtles. She wasn't a natural part of the group and just felt like a tacked on character that the Turtles could perv/romance over.

And shellboobs, and she's named after a artwork rather then an artist making her even more outside of the group. And calling Chinese Magic-Users for Shinobi.


Poor Venus gets a such a bad rap, especially since many people don't even bother to watch the show or only watch the first episode and get a bad idea about Venus with all these myths about her that constantly get re-posted on these threads all the time by most.

Venus was not romanced/pervd on, they only hint at it in two scenes or so in the pilot and never brought up again and it was never explicit, not any more than the OT turtles showing attention to April in a scene or two.

Shellboobs? I don't understand the problem, it's an easy way to make the sex obvious and only anti-furries or SJW should have a problem with it, for most of us it's just a design.

Over powered magic abilities? They were only used in the pilot and maybe another episode, so that's only true for the pilot. In fact it's kind of a plothole how it was later forgotten.

Badly written? Ironically she is the best written turtle of the show but no one seems to care.

Taking the spotlight? Another urban legend, she actually has the least focus episodes of all turtles and appears the same amount of time or less than the other turtles in your average episode.

These guys get it:
I certainly feel if Saban didn't force a "girl Turtle"
I like Venus but I do agree with the general consensus that her addition wasn't entirely the best.


Now I'll get some hate from this but I do enjoy Venus, but the poor thing gets it rough, even in the show, the boys treat her like crap, always making fun of her and talk down to her, way to show kids how to treat girls Saban...

All in all, great ideias, really, REALLY poorly execution.


Now let's take a look at a big problemt he show has:


As Jester & I have long said, it would've been a little bit less ridiculed if they hadn't been so trigger happy with the goofy sound effects. The fights were fluffy enough on their own, but hearing a clown horn when someone gets kicked really takes ALL the wind out of it. :tlol:
as well as toning down the amount of sound effects and maybe fix the costumes, then Next Mutation would be an underrated entry in the franchise.
The sound effects = soooo stoop

so stoop

If they made the tone a bit more serious - and half the scenes not looking like a rag tag gorilla shot.

I think it could have been a good series.


The Sound effects. Here at the drome we realized this was a problem nearly ten years ago and a dromer made a video of the show without the goofy sound effects and it felt like an entirely different show.

but there's still a vast amount of good ideas in it. You got villains such as Silver, Vam Mi, and Simon Bonesteel who can certainly work, especially with the first two tying into gang wars and mysticism respectively.
And, for every one of those there are millions who dislike it for being very poorly written and produced.
Of course, anyone who still liked it for what it was (I guess the villains like Dragon Lord, Vam Mi, and Bonesteel have some charm and I can see where someone might like Venus, I don't, but I can see why someone might). But, I think most would agree that it was just a really bad show, and not some sort of "misunderstood gem" that you're painting it as.

But, if you like it, more power to ya!

The villains are kind of a mixed bag, the show used original villains with the exception of Shredder and it actually succeeded, most of the rogues gallery are full of potential and are super interesting. That's were the problem is, many times the villains were not written correctly and made too silly like the Schumacher Batman villains but the few times they're written correctly they're so awesome. The villains deserve being used on another incarnation and used to their full potential.

Not everyone who disagrees with you about a TV show is closed-minded or brainwashed or "on the bandwagon" or whatever you're accusing us of. By most people's standards it just wasn't a good show. If you found enough good about it to like it, by all means, watch it! Enjoy it! Just don't expect everyone to agree with you.


but will realize it's presence in TMNT history is fairly harmless.

When people defend the show they're not trying to say it's a great show, it's just a flawed show that gets too much undeserved hate as if it were the worst thing ever but it has plenty of redeeming features and most of the criticism isn't correct so I'm here defending it all the time, I like it but understand why people wouldn't, it's not great but it's not the worst thing ever.


The series was way too juvenile and toned down for kids, much more than anything else.

Not much more than most TMNT media.

Prowler
03-05-2017, 01:02 PM
Venus might get more flack than she deserves, but when you shoehorn a new main character in just like that, people are not gonna like it. The Turtles have always been four and all male, so suddenly there comes a new turtle... a female one to boot? And they pull the "you know, we're technically not related" card?

I know someone will say it's sexism now, but I wouldn't like(and neither would most people, I'd wager) if in, let's say, Sailor Moon, they suddenly shoehorned in a male sailor senshi. He'd look so out of place.

UsagiYoJimBelushi
03-07-2017, 12:52 AM
it came off to me like a reaction to the rise in popularity of live action power rangers like shows. made it seem like an insincere contribution to the tmnt franchise.

RaphaelinSTL
03-07-2017, 09:22 AM
I wanted to love it when I was young because I was always still a fan of the Ninja Turtles and it seemed like an awesome show being in live action. In fact, I actually used to wake up early when new episodes were on and taped them. I'm not sure what happened with me falling out of it later on, I think they just stopped airing them back to back or something else took my 10 year old mind away from it.

I know going back and watching it that there are elements I like and elements that STILL don't work for me. I like the idea of Dragon Lord and the Rank...but the execution of it all was bad....but Venus didn't work for me then and especially doesn't now. Watching it on Netflix at least gave me a few laughs but I HATE the new theme song they had to use compared to the old one.

Also, even as a kid I knew it was cheap because of this scene right here...Leonardo takes a bite out of an egg while the Turtles are hanging out in the park and then hides it behind his back. It's hilariously amateur. Go look at the 10:26 mark.

-N525UIw2eQ?t=10m26s

Tetsu Deinonychus
03-08-2017, 01:17 PM
I have way more of a problem with Venus being an awkwardly shoe-horned in "5th Turtle" than I do with her being a woman. Other mutant turtle characters like Slash and Tokka are fine because they didn't join the group, and weren't ret-conned into being part of the TMNT's origin (I don't like that they did that with FW Mondo either). Also, calling Chinese sorcerers "Shinobi" is kinda messed up too.

Venus could work if she was a recurring character, not a main character, that has her own separate origin story, is called the proper term for a Chinese sorcerer (Wu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_(shaman)), perhaps), and had a more defined personality of her own.

If they did all that, I wouldn't mind her reappearing in a future version. But, I'd prefer if they didn't bother. Or used my take on her...
https://s26.postimg.org/689tqgrvd/Venus_Final_zpsr7fkhvwm.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
...where she's a deranged fangirl who wants to be a Ninja Turtle.

But, I think if any Next Mutation character deserves to return, it's not Venus, it's Dragon Lord!

Another quarterly TNM thread with the same replies
Well, I think that's part of the problem. I think Next Mutation would get a lot less flack around here if every Next Mutation thread didn't read like a desperate plea for more people to like it. If you like Next Mutation why not start a thread to just discuss some aspect of it like any other version of TMNT? Instead of "Why doesn't anybody like NM?" or "What would it take to get people to like Venus?" why not topics like "How about that Bonesteel?" or "How vast to you think Dragon Lord's army was?" You'll probably still get a few "NM sux!" posts but the people who like NM, and the people who don't but can discuss it maturely will have more positive things to talk about, and NM will seem less "persecuted" on this site.

Here, I went ahead and started one: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=57516

Also, it would help if certain NM fans would stop constantly implying that people only dislike NM because they were brainwashed by the "anti-hype". It's very insulting.

pferreira
03-09-2017, 01:45 PM
Unfortunately for sdp I did watch the show when it was shown back then and I didn't like it. No revisionist Chinese whispers for me. I saw it at the time and didn't like it. The Turtles as well as Splinter looked cheap. The locations weren't too bad I guess. I don't remember being annoyed with the silly sound effects but the sound quality was terrible. From what I remember every single thing was dubbed over. There was nothing natural about the show because from a sounds point of view it was totally dubbed over.

I know someone will say it's sexism now, but I wouldn't like(and neither would most people, I'd wager) if in, let's say, Sailor Moon, they suddenly shoehorned in a male sailor senshi. He'd look so out of place.As I mentioned before today a fifth Turtle would be seen as progressive and fans disagreeing would be seen as misogynist trolls. Having said that Laird and Eastman both agreed adding Venus was a bad idea and they're the creators, not Saban. No offense to Saban but apart from his approach to business and his music he isn't really capable at anything creative, or hasn't shown it. I always found adding Venus a gimmick as adding females into an existing male franchise always is. I never understood why Leo needed to swap bandana colour with her? It was really confusing and unnecessary. The writers made good use of her in the show which is good but at the end of the day it just felt like a gimmick.

Also, even as a kid I knew it was cheap because of this scene right here...Leonardo takes a bite out of an egg while the Turtles are hanging out in the park and then hides it behind his back. It's hilariously amateur. Go look at the 10:26 mark.Wow, the episodes were only 15 minutes?! Why so short?

plastroncafe
03-09-2017, 01:58 PM
I don't like the idea of a fifth turtle, and I like it less when that fifth turtle is female.

One of the tropes I like in my turtle media is the idea that they're outsiders. That they're the only four of their kind. Add a fifth turtle and you break that trope down. Add a female turtle and you start dissolving it.

Add to that the fact that the number of TMNT creators that are actually good at writing female characters is no where near as high as it should be, and ... yeah, not so much loving Venus in concept or in practice.

Lisardo
03-26-2017, 04:21 PM
I did watch it and enjoyed it fairly ok, I'll admit. Some things were enjoyable like certain villians - Bonesteel, Vam Mi, etc. Also Mikey's radio show was kind of cool. Venus's magic powers were neat. One thing though, I swear I'm a Leo fan but something about him in this version irritated the S outta me, and I for once preferred Mikey and Donny the best.

Despite it's memorable parts though, I knew, even back then as a teenager, it was bad, for all the reasons already mentioned. However you have to realize at that point in time TMNT was dying out of popularity, so this was just an attempt to bring it back in some new light. It just didn't do as well as it could of. Being a product of Saban, ehhhh. The Power Rangers/NTM crossover was sort of cool, but poorly executed, and if memory serves, didn't have the same voice actors as the regulars in TNM.

ToTheNines
03-26-2017, 04:27 PM
and if memory serves, didn't have the same voice actors as the regulars in TNM.

You are correct. And they were all pretty bad.

Rooish
03-26-2017, 04:30 PM
You are correct. And they were all pretty bad.

This was the main thing that got to me; the voices just did not match the Turtle.

Venus was definitely gimmicky. She as a character was not bad but the "not related" plot line was puke-worthy.