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FredWolfLeonardo
03-11-2017, 12:45 PM
We know that season 5 will have 7 arcs, but which one do you think will be the one to end the show?

I think it will be the second Nick/FW crossover because:

1. The 4kids show used it as a finale before so the Nick show will continue the tradition.
2. It was confirmed that the crossover arc will be a 3 parter in a video where the toys were being advertised so a 3 part finale makes sense.
3. I think having the crossover in the middle of the season seem too out of place and just a repeat of Transdimensional Turtles while having it as the ending of the show would feel different.

Otherwise, I could imagine the finale being the turtles meeting their future selves, but maybe that will happen in the crossover which will not only show the turtles travelling across dimensions, but also across time.

Ashwolf
03-11-2017, 12:56 PM
personally, i feel that the usagi arc as the season finale would be more fitting because of leo feeling temptation to stay in that world and being torn whether to go back or not while at the same time, it would test their unity as brothers and a team

FredWolfLeonardo
03-11-2017, 01:20 PM
personally, i feel that the usagi arc as the season finale would be more fitting because of leo feeling temptation to stay in that world and being torn whether to go back or not while at the same time, it would test their unity as brothers and a team

I definetly think the Usagi arc is a possibility, but I'm leaning more towards the crossover. One reason is because they have avoided revealing much about it, being the only arc missing from the trailer while Usagi was shown. Even Robs tweet which confirmed it last year was deleted immediately. Nick Is definetly hiding something.

ToTheNines
03-11-2017, 01:31 PM
We already know it's not the Usagi arc.

I think it will be the FW crossover, too.

Vicky82
03-11-2017, 01:53 PM
I think it could be the 2nd crossover or an unknown story that haven't been revealed yet because I only count 6 arcs so far

1st - Kavaxas, this forgotten swordsman and Italian mafia is involved - 4 episodes
2nd - The turtles past story - 1 episode maybe
3rd - Monster Arc which includes time travel so a future story could be part of this arc - 3 episodes maybe
4th - Mona Lisa, Sal Commander, Bishop, Newtralizer all return in this arc. 3 episodes maybe
5th - Usagi and the turtles dressed in Samurai gear - 3 episodes
6th - 2nd crossover with the 80s toon.- 3 episodes
7th - ??? Verminator Rex and this Bodycount story could be involved - 3 episodes maybe.

CyberCubed
03-11-2017, 01:56 PM
The last episode will probably be a single standalone story.

ToTheNines
03-11-2017, 01:59 PM
@Vicky They confirmed the Usagi crossover to be 3 episodes.

I personally hope they incorporate this into the last episode: http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2010/07/tales-of-tmnt-original-vol-1-series.html?m=1

Especially this part of it:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YbZe_PwMZ4k/U-400srjnxI/AAAAAAAANpc/dWJpzkQ9Xrk/s1600/ep3.jpg

Vicky82
03-11-2017, 02:03 PM
@Vicky They confirmed the Usagi crossover to be 3 episodes.


Ok, I didn't hear that part. I know the 2nd crossover is 3 episodes which was mentioned in that toy fair video.

TigerClaw
03-11-2017, 02:40 PM
It would be cool if Usagi is involved in the Season 5 final, and cooler if it was a way to setup a spinoff series for Usagi Yojimbo.

ToTheNines
03-11-2017, 02:44 PM
Sakai would never hand Usagi over to Nickelodeon. Nickelodeon would never want to deal with the creator of something not created under their roof. But one can dream.

Chris
03-11-2017, 04:52 PM
I think it's between the crossover and the possible future arc.

That said there's still a chance the future stuff will be in the monsters arc so that would leave a mystery arc which could be just another story (leaving the crossover as the finale) or it could be a finale arc.

On the breakdown of the series - Since we know Kavaxas is 4 episodes and both Usagi & crossover are 3 episodes that leaves 10 episodes for remaining 4 arcs. So the breakdown is gonna be 3,3,3,1 or 4,3,2,1 or 3,3,2,2 (the last one seems most likely to me)

BubblyShell22
03-11-2017, 04:53 PM
I think it could either be the crossover special or the future story which would actually be a fitting finale in my opinion.

Shark_Blade
03-11-2017, 06:02 PM
I doubt Usagi would be the finale, more like the mid season episodes really.

CyberCubed
03-11-2017, 06:39 PM
Why would they end the show with a crossover episode? Why wouldn't the end the show with an episode important to the Nick universe or wrap up its characters or story?

matteso586
03-11-2017, 06:42 PM
The type of series finale that brings back nearly every recurring/minor character. Gravity Falls, Avatar: The Last Airbender, and Regular Show did the same thing.

The last scene of the finale being a full view of New York City.

April being last seen walking on the same sidewalk from the first episode. This time, no abduction.

And possibly a news report that ends with Carlos Chang O'Brian saying "hi-yah".

ToTheNines
03-11-2017, 06:51 PM
Why would they end the show with a crossover episode? Why wouldn't the end the show with an episode important to the Nick universe or wrap up its characters or story?

It was good enough for 4kids.


And possibly a news report that ends with Carlos Chang O'Brian saying "hi-yah".

I don't get the obsession with this one.

MikeandRaph87
03-11-2017, 07:04 PM
7 arcs? So 20 episodes divided into 7 multi-parters? Are you saying these plots have already been revealed? Aside from the evil komdo dragon Kavaxas(sp?) voiced by Mark Hamill that Tiger Claw summons I didn't think anything had been leaked to the fans.

CyberCubed
03-11-2017, 07:08 PM
Turtles Forever did in indeed end the universe with a crossover ep, but the last ep of the actual series was still based on April/Casey's wedding and the defeat of Cyber Shredder.

7 arcs? So 20 episodes divided into 7 multi-parters? Are you saying these plots have already been revealed? Aside from the evil komdo dragon Kavaxas(sp?) voiced by Mark Hamill that Tiger Claw summons I didn't think anything had been leaked to the fans.

We literally just got a trailer for the Season 5 episodes a few days ago. Check the Season 5 thread.

MikeandRaph87
03-11-2017, 07:17 PM
Turtles Forever did in indeed end the universe with a crossover ep, but the last ep of the actual series was still based on April/Casey's wedding and the defeat of Cyber Shredder.



We literally just got a trailer for the Season 5 episodes a few days ago. Check the Season 5 thread.

Its way too long to try to follow threads of that nature. Trying to check each post as it continues to grow is too much something can be missed. I find it easier having individual threads. Otherwise I lose track. I found it thanks to the clarification.

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Maybe it will end abruptly with the shocking truth of how the Turtles got their weapons?

mrmaczaps
03-11-2017, 09:58 PM
Its way too long to try to follow threads of that nature. Trying to check each post as it continues to grow is too much something can be missed. I find it easier having individual threads. Otherwise I lose track. I found it thanks to the clarification.

uzdqP5eccEM

Maybe it will end abruptly with the shocking truth of how the Turtles got their weapons?

So is the show being subtitled Tales of? Thats gonna mess with the dvr. Lol

victory_angel
03-11-2017, 10:19 PM
Ciro had confirmed that Usagi's episodes would be towards the end of the season. Since the season hasn't happened yet we can't truly say for sure the season will end, all we know is it will go out with a *bang*.

That can be taken both figuratively and literally.


How I could see it ending is the Turtles celebrating their mutation day, with all the family and friends they have gained.

I know Mikey says he is fifteen years old, but Mikey isn't always correct with what he says.

So much stuff has been going on since the day they first crawled out of the sewers so it's possible their 16th mutation day could have passed them without notice because they were still on that contact high after beating the Kraang.

Their 17th mutation day would have been ignored because they had a brother in a coma and a city under invasion to focus on.
their 18th mutation day would have been likely set aside because of all the stuff with Super Shredder and the Triceraton invasion.
And with likelyhood their 19th mutation day passed without notice because they were getting over Splinter's absence.

So without those milestones being acknowledged it wouldn't register to someone like Mikey that they have actually aged. And by that reguard if they end the series as it began with their mutation day, I could see Mikey asking "So were 16 now?" and Donnie pointing out they have actually turned 20.

4kids series also didn't acknowledge age as well, but the series did end with the Turtles roughly at the age of 20.

With the whole Usagi thing, I can see a reference to the third TMNT movie where Mikey, Raph, and Leo all want to stay in Ancient Japan, and Donnie is the only one who doesn't.

I can see it as Leo feeling like he belongs in Usagi's world, Mikey and Raph also seeing benefits of staying in that universe.

And Donnie would be the only one who feels he out of place.

ToTheNines
03-12-2017, 05:15 AM
I also think it would be cool to end the show on their Mutation Day. But I think you've padded some time in there that just doesn't fit, VA.

Season 1 starts in summer, runs through Fall, and probably ends in early Winter.

Season 2 starts a couple months later and runs all the way to the following December. So they turned 16 ay some point in the middle of the season.

Season 3 picks up 3 months later, and then they were in Northampton for an undetermined amount of time. So they turned 17 either right before returning to NY, or during the Kraang invasion.

I don't believe they've turned 18 yet. The remainder of season 3 didn't span much time, literally no time passed during the first half of season 4, and the City at War/Super Shredder arc was only a couple months total, with 1 month passing after Earth's Last Stand.

So we'll have to see how much time has passed since Owari when season 5 starts, but I think they'll still be a few months shy of 18, at best.

matteso586
03-12-2017, 06:53 AM
I don't get the obsession with this one.

It's a trope category called, Book Ends.

ToTheNines
03-12-2017, 07:08 AM
Well, yeah. Like how JLU aped "On Leather Wings" with its final scene and had the police pilot asking "did you see that?" As the last line, just as it was the first line of dialogue spoken in Batman TAS.

But "Hiyah" is neither the first or last line spoken in "Rise of the Turtles" (nor is it in any way more significant than any other random line spoken during the two-part premiere). If they go with that trope, it would be more likely to have Leo presiding over a training session since that was the first scene of the show. Or ending with Leo or Karai finding evidence of the Foot being active somewhere and menacingly declaring it's time to "visit an old friend", a la Shredder in the final scene. Which would fit the TMNT theme of the endless cycle of vengeance.

victory_angel
03-12-2017, 09:14 AM
I also think it would be cool to end the show on their Mutation Day. But I think you've padded some time in there that just doesn't fit, VA.

Season 1 starts in summer, runs through Fall, and probably ends in early Winter.

Season 2 starts a couple months later and runs all the way to the following December. So they turned 16 ay some point in the middle of the season.

Season 3 picks up 3 months later, and then they were in Northampton for an undetermined amount of time. So they turned 17 either right before returning to NY, or during the Kraang invasion.

I don't believe they've turned 18 yet. The remainder of season 3 didn't span much time, literally no time passed during the first half of season 4, and the City at War/Super Shredder arc was only a couple months total, with 1 month passing after Earth's Last Stand.

So we'll have to see how much time has passed since Owari when season 5 starts, but I think they'll still be a few months shy of 18, at best.

Thanks for the correction. However, there are some things to add in. One is the time differential in Dimension X. There is a 15 second difference between when Mikey entered the portal and his brothers do. And when they meet up with them they learn he had been there several months. Mikey's been known to exaggerate on things.

All we really know is that he was there long enough to gain an understanding of Dimension X and how to survive in it. Which depending on the person could be as little as a week to at least a month.

And also when they went back in time six months, they didn't age backward six months with it. Time still would have gone forward for them making them six months older than they would be when they left.

ToTheNines
03-12-2017, 09:48 AM
Good points! So Mikey is technically the big brother of the team lol.

And yes, now that you mention it, they're all biologically 6 months older than they are chronologically. This applies to the 4kids guys (3 months in the Cretaceous period) and the Mirage guys (various time travel hijinks).

Me personally, I like to just count their ages by the regular timeline and note the extra time as a little tidbit. Much easier that way.

Cyndaquilfan123
03-12-2017, 10:05 AM
I think it's just the standard cartoon character age thing. I haven't seen 2K3 past the first episode, so I've got no idea if they addressed the Turtles' age.

ToTheNines
03-12-2017, 10:15 AM
Well they're not going to deepen their voices or alter any character designs, but time has passed. It's not like Simpson's/Peanuts time. It's a serialized story where characters evolve, scripts reference "months" passing several times, we see Winters/Springs pass, etc.

And either way, it's fun to keep track of the chronology.

victory_angel
03-12-2017, 11:11 AM
I think it's just the standard cartoon character age thing. I haven't seen 2K3 past the first episode, so I've got no idea if they addressed the Turtles' age.

The only age reference was Raph saying "home sweet home for 15 years." In the second episode. When he and Leo are packing up their salvageable belongings after the first lair was destroyed by mousers.

matteso586
03-12-2017, 12:46 PM
Well, yeah. Like how JLU aped "On Leather Wings" with its final scene and had the police pilot asking "did you see that?" As the last line, just as it was the first line of dialogue spoken in Batman TAS.

But "Hiyah" is neither the first or last line spoken in "Rise of the Turtles" (nor is it in any way more significant than any other random line spoken during the two-part premiere). If they go with that trope, it would be more likely to have Leo presiding over a training session since that was the first scene of the show. Or ending with Leo or Karai finding evidence of the Foot being active somewhere and menacingly declaring it's time to "visit an old friend", a la Shredder in the final scene. Which would fit the TMNT theme of the endless cycle of vengeance.

The definition of Book Ends didn't have to be a repeat of the last line of the first episode. Book Ends is more like callbacks to first episodes, season premiers, episode appearances, and first season finale's.

ToTheNines
03-12-2017, 12:55 PM
The definition of Book Ends didn't have to be a repeat of the last line of the first episode. Book Ends is more like callbacks to first episodes, season premiers, episode appearances, and first season finale's.

Ok... so you're saying it could be Donnie and Mikey playing eye spy? Or Snakeweed being beat? Or the turtles scaring the pizza boy? Or any other relatively insignificant moment from those episodes?

matteso586
03-12-2017, 06:34 PM
Ok... so you're saying it could be Donnie and Mikey playing eye spy? Or Snakeweed being beat? Or the turtles scaring the pizza boy? Or any other relatively insignificant moment from those episodes?

You could say that.

Tarris Vaal
03-12-2017, 08:20 PM
More like the four of them sitting around the table as a mutation day cake is brought out for them to share.

Obviously they'd be older, presumably with a few poignant reminders like Splinters empty seat - as well as including friends picked up along the way (like Karai, Casey and April).

It'd be the opportunity to showcase how far they've come and how much they've changed. That'd be the ideal set up for a 'book ends' ending in this instance i think.


The other possibility (but its very, very slight and depends a lot on how things go on the lead up to it), would be One of the turtles (Leo or Don I would suspect, but could be any of them) would be present at a similar birthday event much further in the future where they are fulfilling Splinters role of storyteller for a new generation (be it literally the descendants of the characters, or more likely a group of newly trained aspirants - Pupils of Leos for example).

ToTheNines
03-12-2017, 08:52 PM
Pupils of Leos for example).

That'd be cool. And just because you got me thinking of Archie, you could have a similar scene with Mikey and the kids from his orphanage.

TigerClaw
03-12-2017, 09:36 PM
That'd be cool. And just because you got me thinking of Archie, you could have a similar scene with Mikey and the kids from his orphanage.
Yeah, Just like what happened in that Cyber Samurai Mutant Ninja Turtles storyline from the Archie comics.

Chinibio
03-19-2017, 08:01 AM
Just gonna leave this idea here and go back to lurking mode... Maybe shredder is rewived at the end, but he returns as a child/baby. And it's up to the turtles to raise him, like splinter raised them. And give him a chance to be good this time around. It could end with them having a birthay for child saki. This sounded much better in my head...

blindturtle02
03-19-2017, 09:54 AM
Hmm, I have no idea. I'd like it to be the 80s crossover with Shredder, Bebop, Rocksteady, and Krang. They gave us an all out fight at the end of season 4, so how do you top that, I wonder? Two Shredders taking on the turtles at the end of 5? Killing Kraang Prime for good and all? Every mutant with a hate on for the turtles teaming up in a kind of Night of The Rogues situation? However they handle it, I hope it's epic. No cliffhanger endings, please. haha