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Jephael
03-15-2017, 11:18 PM
We all have our say of what should and shouldn't be done with the Ninja Turtles, but the sad truth of the matter is in the end our opinions mean diddly as we don't own the rights to these characters. Even back in 2003 when Peter Laird ran the show with Mirage and 4Kids, we ultimately had no say.

Now say you worked at Viacom and were given the chance to helm the rights to the franchise and hire whoever you wanted to make an animated series or a feature film. What would you desire?

If it were up to me, I'd want Danny Phantom/Fairly OddParents creator Butch Hartman to do a Ninja Turtles cartoon series that's close to the Archie comics, and I'd want Steven Spielberg to produce the next film version and have it heavily based on the Mirage comics and even set in the 1980s.

Andrew NDB
03-15-2017, 11:41 PM
http://www.miragelicensing.com/comics/mirage/volume01/color/cover360.jpg

snake
03-16-2017, 12:00 AM
http://www.miragelicensing.com/comics/mirage/volume01/color/cover360.jpg

Andrew, that's 4 Raphs.

Ninjinister
03-16-2017, 12:01 AM
I certainly wouldn't let any of you wankers near the franchise, creatively.

Utrommaniac
03-16-2017, 12:33 AM
World building galore.

And no, not just on the Utrom side of things :P . Although, that wouldn't be an exception.

I'd have an "absolutely no one is 100% evil" rule. Even Shredder. Even Krang. Even the "Big Bad" Triceraton antagonist that I'm working on. She's a young Regenta who is trying to take up the fight against the Utroms to get attention from her parents, for the most part. The Utroms find out about this toward the end of the story, and only respond with feelings of schadenfreude and pity. As well as embarrassment that they've been fighting against a whiny brat all this time.

The conflict is mostly made by as a comedy of errors and massive misunderstandings all throughout - most of which are being made because of the turtles being 15-year-old boys who in spite of their rigid training and having two intuitive members among them, still don't take the time to process certain events logically. Also by Krang and Saki rushing through decisions on Earth and making everyone under them a little worried for their respective mental healths. They're fine with the Triceratons, but the Earth mutants just keep giving them the run-around.

Mutagen is an experimental wound cure-all that the Utroms were developing in their war against the Triceratons, but it does not heal injuries in humans - rather, it works a bit like the nanogenes in Doctor Who. With Earthlings, it confuses mixed DNA and bonds the two together, even if it's just left from a touch. Which is how the "mutates the last animal something touches" effect works in this case.

The Foot Clan were protectors of the Utroms after WWII, seeking a way to cling to their dying traditions in the wake of Japan working for the West. Saki's friendship with Yoshi collapsed when he married a Chinese-American Tang Shen, who worked at the New York branch of TCRI. The destruction of the New York TCRI takes place during the turtles' mutation, when Saki and Yoshi got into a fight that ultimately caused the building to go up in flames.


The Hamato family fell apart with Yoshi mutating in attempt to rescue some lab animals - including the turtles - and one rat that did not survive the fire. The mutated Yoshi flees with his mutated turtles to his friends, the Jones family, who have access to an old speakeasy they can hide in, and don't ask questions.

Shen remains alive and flees to Northampton, with her infant daughter Miwa as a cat, and the mutated laboratory mascot cat. Knowing there were many other mutations, she set up a halfway home for them away from the Utroms so they can hope for a cure without having to remain with the aliens, and have a hidden spot with a human to shelter with. The turtles go to Northhampton after losing a battle with Shredder per Dr. Xeinos' instruction, telling them that there's a woman helping mutants live more peacefully. Thereby, the reunion with Tang Shen and Yoshi takes place relatively early in the story, but hey, it mixes things up a little bit. I don't think it's something that belongs at the end of the story, honestly.

Krang remains the son of Emperor Quanin, but his mother is also present - as well as four younger siblings. He and Ch'rell are domestically linked and have a daughter named Aska (explanation: Utrom biology is complicated and to be discussed elsewhere. In short: even SJWs would be confused by how their sex and gender works), who works with Saki and Karai's daughter Himiko as Foot Assassins.

Oroku Saki is the son of a Foot Clan ninja and a woman who later joined him there. They met helping the victims of the Hiroshima bombing and has been brought up being described as the only good thing in their lives that resulted from being there and the results of it - besides their marriage.

April O'Neil works for Baxter Stockman, who works for TCRI. The MOUSERS happen upon Splinter by accident and reveals the hidden mutants to Krang, whose ambition is to destroy mutants that were not originally human - or too far "gone" from their original forms, such as what Muckman would be categorized as. And she only meets the turtles while they and Casey break into the new TCRI to rescue Splinter, and they get him out of the lab before the Utroms are able to reverse his mutation. Irma is her roommate, who works with Vernon Finwick...who is married to John Bishop.

Bishop's story is basically the same as it is in the 4Kids show. Abducted by aliens in 1812 and dropped in New York in the modern day, but was found by Vernon, who was his guide through the modern world. Ultimately, once he found his own way, he managed to get his way into the EPF. Vernon seeks out information on the mutants to help his husband, and Irma helps him just because she's curious about it and is already generally nosy.

Apart from the turtles and the Mighty Mutanimals, there would be another mutant group: The Mutant Misfits, made up of Snakeweed, Seymour Gutz, Muckman, and Joe Eyeball. And any other non-animal mutants that wouldn't really fit in with the other groups that I'm not thinking of at the moment.

While I want to think I would make a mishmash of different versions, it just seems like I've crafted my own take??? I'm not really sure what to compare it to.

There's a lot more that I have in mind, but that's the basic idea. I'd develop more at another time and another place, but I'd have to find it.

Jephael
03-16-2017, 01:16 AM
http://www.miragelicensing.com/comics/mirage/volume01/color/cover360.jpg

I did have you in mind when I said I'd like to see a Mirage heavy film adaptation.

I certainly wouldn't let any of you wankers near the franchise, creatively.

That's kinda the point of this thread. We've all got our own opinions on how these characters should and shouldn't be depicted... and unfortunately no 2 people have the same ideals. Heck, even Eastman and Laird had some friction in regards to the direction of their characters as is my understanding.

Wildcat
03-16-2017, 02:31 AM
Well there's been topics about what kinda movie or cartoon we'd make. Isn't this basically the same question? I'll go in a different direction.

Take the toy line away from Playmates and give it to a company that will make decent show/movie accurate toys. Not collector level quality, since there's already others for that, but someone to handle the mainstream line.

Try to get a partnership with Disney or Universal to get theme park attractions. Avatar is going to DisneyWorld (however that works). Well Nick is with Universal isn't it?

Create a chain of TMNT pizza restaurants. Like a legitimate chain similar to Pizza Hut or Dominos. I'd require they deliver pizzas in vans painted like the OT.

Ninjinister
03-16-2017, 03:22 AM
That's kinda the point of this thread. We've all got our own opinions on how these characters should and shouldn't be depicted... and unfortunately no 2 people have the same ideals. Heck, even Eastman and Laird had some friction in regards to the direction of their characters as is my understanding.

What I meant is I'd hire professionals, not just let random fans do anything with it. With very few exceptions, like unless they're professionals first, fans second - fans ruin everything when they get their hands on on the run a franchise.

I mean I have my ideas of what I'd do if I were writing/directing a movie, but if I was in charge of the entire franchise I wouldn't put that in my own hands even. Or any of yours.

ToTheNines
03-16-2017, 07:02 AM
I'd get these guys to make another album and go on tour.

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CyberCubed
03-16-2017, 07:08 AM
I'd give the Nick cartoon another two seasons with Ciro and the current staff still in charge. IDW is fine, let them continue doing what they're doing.

I'd greenlit The Forever War and tell Murphy to finally hurry up and write the conclusion to the Archie series. I'd then make Viacom release the 2k3 series properly on DVD or blu-ray, same for Nick.

Lastly I'd love to write a "Season 11" of the original cartoon. It would take place after the defeat of Dregg and bring Shredder/Krang back to the fold but do completely different things with them. I'd bring in some Archie elements and utilize some of the recurring villains a lot better.

Jephael
03-16-2017, 07:56 AM
I'd give the Nick cartoon another two seasons with Ciro and the current staff still in charge. IDW is fine, let them continue doing what they're doing.

I'd greenlit The Forever War and tell Murphy to finally hurry up and write the conclusion to the Archie series. I'd then make Viacom release the 2k3 series properly on DVD or blu-ray, same for Nick.

Lastly I'd love to write a "Season 11" of the original cartoon. It would take place after the defeat of Dregg and bring Shredder/Krang back to the fold but do completely different things with them. I'd bring in some Archie elements and utilize some of the recurring villains a lot better.

I'm loving all of these ideas, though my only concern is I feel like Ciro wouldn't want to be involved. He made it very clear that he has no desire to continue that series past season 5. However, so long as you keep Brandon Auman, and of course the voice cast, you may have a decent shot at furthering the show by a coupe seasons.

Vegita-San
03-16-2017, 08:33 AM
i sometimes wonder if cubed is a studio plant who works for nick ;o)


I'd personally try to totally reboot TMNT


No Triceratons No Utroms Keep April, Keep Casey, keep the turtles, Splinter and Shredder and the Foot

Everything else would be ALL NEW

it woudl be interesting to see if TMNT Could survive with a Total villain and series make over

this last series has shown us some things done over and over again and the impact lessons each time we see leo or raph get thrown through a plate glass window

you can only rely on nostalgia so much before it becomes common place and boring

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-16-2017, 08:41 AM
IDW would be allowed to keep doing what they're doing, with zero interference.

We'd finally have some decent serious Mirage-based films.

Shark_Blade
03-16-2017, 08:44 AM
I'd do it like Batman Arkham series.

ToTheNines
03-16-2017, 08:58 AM
I'd give the Nick cartoon another two seasons with Ciro and the current staff still in charge. IDW is fine, let them continue doing what they're doing.

I'd greenlit The Forever War and tell Murphy to finally hurry up and write the conclusion to the Archie series. I'd then make Viacom release the 2k3 series properly on DVD or blu-ray, same for Nick.

I'd be down with that.

Lastly I'd love to write a "Season 11" of the original cartoon. It would take place after the defeat of Dregg and bring Shredder/Krang back to the fold but do completely different things with them. I'd bring in some Archie elements and utilize some of the recurring villains a lot better.

Eh, pretty much everyone and everything got their proper sendoff in the OT. Ending with Splinter seeing the guys as equals, no longer students. If anything have it take place in the future (which I guess is only 2015 lol) where Carter went to cure his mutation. Have the turtles all be pushing 40, living seperate lives, getting back together for one more adventure.

Me personally, I'd just get the cast to dub lines into Tutles Forever. Jim Cummings as Shredder.

Vegita-San
03-16-2017, 09:02 AM
Eh, pretty much everyone and everything got their proper sendoff in the OT. Ending with Splinter seeing the guys as equals, no longer students. If anything have it take place in the future (which I guess is only 2015 lol) where Carter went to cure his mutation. Have the turtles all be pushing 40, living seperate lives, getting back together for one more adventure.

Me personally, I'd just get the cast to dub lines into Tutles Forever. Jim Cummings as Shredder.

agreed

i don't know why they didn't get jim to do shredder for the Season 5 crossover

pferreira
03-16-2017, 09:53 AM
*I'd continue the FW series from where it left off, putting David Wise in charge of the writing staff. Keep the animation the same as Season 7 although less animation errors and use the episodes to develop the characters a bit more, maybe create a bit more drama.

*I'd continue where the live action movies from the 90s left off and base the plots off the Mirage comics.

*Make a Mirage adapted cartoon series.

*Get someone who knows about video games to make a faithful videogame based on any of the TMNT reiterations.

EDIT: I just saw that discussion thread of Bebop and Rocksteady was closed. I totally disagree with neatoman's view though that all Bebop and Rocksteady did was tickle people. He didn't make any sense when he talks about the FW cartoon as usual. Any hoo... :roll:

ToTheNines
03-16-2017, 10:10 AM
agreed

i don't know why they didn't get jim to do shredder for the Season 5 crossover

Yeah, kind of a bummer. Maybe he wasn't available.

But KMR is a hell of a talent. I'll wait to hear his take before making a judgement.

Andrew NDB
03-16-2017, 10:19 AM
* Reboot the films with a new origin movie that primarily takes cues from the Mirage material, coupled with a visionary director with an original vision and passion for the material (me! kidding).

* Let IDW keep doing IDW's thing, though with the Nick shackles off. "Encourage" them to also either do a "MULTIVERSE" book that partially spotlights the Mirage universe, or an outright Mirage "Volume 5" book with talent new and old. Reprint everything they couldn't before (and if they aren't willing, take it all to Dark Horse... they've been itching to reprint everything for eons). Kiss Rick Veitch's ass and/or give him whatever he wants to get "The River" and such reprinted.

* Develop some kind of a Netflix series. This could be in the same universe as the aforementioned rebooted movie series, or maybe it's own thing.

* Pretty much always have a cartoon in active development or on the air to reel in the latest crop of kiddies. This could be whatever.

neatoman
03-16-2017, 11:03 AM
* Pretty much always have a cartoon in active development or on the air to reel in the latest crop of kiddies. This could be whatever.

What do you mean by "whatever"? Whatever as in "Let the writers/storyboarders do whatever they want" or as in "Whatever, just have it be the typical toy commercial"?

Andrew NDB
03-16-2017, 11:11 AM
What do you mean by "whatever"? Whatever as in "Let the writers/storyboarders do whatever they want" or as in "Whatever, just have it be the typical toy commercial"?

Well, take pitches from people passionate about making another TMNT children's cartoon. Pick the least painful sounding one, I guess.

snake
03-16-2017, 11:27 AM
Everyone's given out the obvious. New movies, keep IDW, one or two more seasons of Nick, Forever War. Aside from that, I'd revoke the license from Playmates as soon as possible. I'd hand it over to another company, and share it with NECA.

neatoman
03-16-2017, 11:28 AM
Well, take pitches from people passionate about making another TMNT children's cartoon. Pick the least painful sounding one, I guess.

So more like the first I guess, just more selective at the initial stage?

What if you got a pitch that actually kind of interesting to you rather than just sounding less "painful" than the others? Got a rough idea of what that would be?

To be honest my own "whatever" approach to this would be contact some reputable creators, ask them if they wanted the gig, dump the Ultimate Collection in their lap and tell them "Start from here, just remember that you can't use the Aardvark".

Jephael
03-16-2017, 11:57 AM
Well, take pitches from people passionate about making another TMNT children's cartoon. Pick the least painful sounding one, I guess.

Why does it always have to be "just for children"? Lets try to keep it more broad, atleast call it a family show. It should be for people of all ages. Worked with the 2003 Teen Titans series... to an extent.

Vegita-San
03-16-2017, 12:22 PM
Everyone's given out the obvious. New movies, keep IDW, one or two more seasons of Nick, Forever War. Aside from that, I'd revoke the license from Playmates as soon as possible. I'd hand it over to another company, and share it with NECA.

problem is, toys are kind of a dying art

there really arn't many companies that can match or do playmates better than playmates at this point, which is probably why the dinosaurs of the toy world get to keep it.

but I WOULD give them far less story control

then we wouldn't get turtles in weird mesh battle outfits that make no sense whatsoever.

CyberCubed
03-16-2017, 02:41 PM
It's really weird we're in the year 2017 and we're still waiting for some of the same things for years:

1. Still no Image or Volume 4 trades from IDW. We should have at least gotten a few Image trades by now, they finished the Volume 2 collections like two years ago or something.

2. Still no proper 2k3 DVDs

3. Murphy's Forever War will forever remain in limbo.

4. PL still has never finished writing Volume 4 after all this time


Jesus Christ. I'd really love for some of this stuff to finally "happen" already so I can stop thinking about it and cross it off my list. It's absurd we're in the year 2017 waiting for the same things for decades now.

FredWolfLeonardo
03-16-2017, 02:45 PM
If I was in control of tmnt, Id get the Fred Wolf Show to play on all the kids channels, have all the new shows cross over with FW, force every new version to pay Atleast 5-6 homages to FW and make FW the one and only definitive version

ABrown
03-16-2017, 02:51 PM
2. Still no proper 2k3 DVDs

If I had the rights, this would be the very first thing that I did.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-16-2017, 03:20 PM
It's really weird we're in the year 2017 and we're still waiting for some of the same things for years:

1. Still no Image or Volume 4 trades from IDW. We should have at least gotten a few Image trades by now, they finished the Volume 2 collections like two years ago or something.

2. Still no proper 2k3 DVDs

3. Murphy's Forever War will forever remain in limbo.

4. PL still has never finished writing Volume 4 after all this time


Jesus Christ. I'd really love for some of this stuff to finally "happen" already so I can stop thinking about it and cross it off my list. It's absurd we're in the year 2017 waiting for the same things for decades now.

And except for IDW reprints of Volumes 3 and 4, NONE of those will ever happen.

Hell, maybe not even that.

CyberCubed
03-16-2017, 03:26 PM
Eh, aside from the Forever war, I pretty much hope the rest of the stuff can happen.

2k3 DVDs should hopefully happen someday...eventually. There's money on the table. Some company like Shout Factory partners with Nick to release their old 90's cartoons.

PL still has another 10 years before possible death or retirement. I will hope until he can't write no more.

Andrew NDB
03-16-2017, 03:27 PM
2k3 DVDs should hopefully happen someday...eventually.

I kind of doubt it at this point. Blu-rays as a media are rapidly going away, let alone DVDs. If they wait any longer there literally won't be the medium for them to drop it on.

I'm sure it'll appear through official channels via streaming, or something.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-16-2017, 03:30 PM
Eh, aside from the Forever war, I pretty much hope the rest of the stuff can happen.

2k3 DVDs should hopefully happen someday...eventually. There's money on the table. Some company like Shout Factory partners with Nick to release their old 90's cartoons.

PL still has another 10 years before possible death or retirement. I will hope until he can't write no more.

Laird is done. Has been done. Has been done for years. Will remain done as long as he lives. Volume 4 is dead.

I see 4Kids DVDs exceedingly less likely now that the 2012 TMNT cartoon is coming to an official end AND a new show is getting launched. Face it, 4Kids DVDs are almost as dead as Volume 4 now.

Harsh facts, but inescapable conclusions.

CyberCubed
03-16-2017, 03:58 PM
Many kids cartoons are still released on DVD, you're thinking of movies or big TV shows that don't get DVD releases anymore. The current Nick cartoon still gets DVD releases for that reason, or else it would be digital alone. That being said I'm pretty sure Seasons 1-4 of the 2k3 series is still on itunes or amazon, or at least from what I remember. Does anyone know for sure what's uploaded?

As for Volume 4, it isn't over until PL is in his grave.

Utrommaniac
03-16-2017, 04:00 PM
There is one factor that I'd have in my TMNT take:
Absolutely no magic. Unless there's a stage magician, but that doesn't count. And there probably wouldn't be one, though it would make an interesting annoyance.

In a story with (granted, kind of dumb) science at the heart of its creation, there is very little room for mysticism.

CyberCubed
03-16-2017, 04:09 PM
There is one factor that I'd have in my TMNT take:
Absolutely no magic. Unless there's a stage magician, but that doesn't count. And there probably wouldn't be one, though it would make an interesting annoyance.

In a story with (granted, kind of dumb) science at the heart of its creation, there is very little room for mysticism.

Agree with this, whenever magic shows up in DC cartoons I immediately lose interest too. Never liked it when Batman especially is involved in magic storylines, except for a little with Zatanna.

MikeandRaph87
03-16-2017, 04:23 PM
A lot of what has been posted I would do.

First thing, commission Steve Murphy and Chris Allan to complete 'Forever War' to wrap up TMNT Adventures.

Next, green light a mini-series continuation of the 1987 cartoon in a similar tone to the fan-fiction direction I took.

Third,get the ball rolling to release TMNT(2003) Season 3 Part 1, Season 3 Part 2, Season 4 Part 1, and Season 7 DVDs. Leave the door open to a follow up complete series release pending the sales of the individual sets.

Fourth, I would throw a bone to those who actually like the black and white comics and give them a direct to DVD adaptation of the 1st issue.

Finally, a tournament fighter game that celebrates the TMNT history and have a true representation of its history through the characters available to play. I would have the number of playable characters maxed at the number of years the TMNT have been in existence. The IDW TMNT would be the Turtles featured as well as design however there will be skins for the 1987 cartoon and Mirage Comics. It would be the game we all wanted instead of Smash Up.

RaphaelsIsolation
03-16-2017, 04:26 PM
Pretty easy for me. They should release comprehensive collector's editions of all cartoons...

Like they did with the 87-86 toon. Give Next Mutation a re-release in a complete format, as well as 2003 series, dvd is fine.. blue ray whatever. I don't think it makes a big difference really. Then release a definitive TMNT movie collection.

Everything loaded with special features etc... especially the first 3 movies. Just hash out the TMNT history in ALL ways.

Then.. after you've re-released stuff that hardcore fans want... start on new things.

Either do shows/movies based on the mirage comics, or just reboot the orgin or do IDW stuff via shows or movies. Something like that.

IDW comics should get adapted into at least a cartoon at some point. Use the basic plot and ideas and just twist it around some. Would be fun.

ToTheNines
03-16-2017, 04:29 PM
I just can't believe BttS never got a release of any kind. I mean, I hunted down the Australian releases, but an animated show getting mothballed instead of put on DVD is pretty rare in the US right?

Icegaze
03-17-2017, 09:10 AM
IDW would be allowed to keep doing what they're doing, with zero interference.

We'd finally have some decent serious Mirage-based films.

I would go along these lines as well as IDW is by far my favorite iteration of the TMNT.
However, I would request for a whole lot more consistency when it comes down to character design (small details like clothing, tattoo, gear) and world building (more insight on the way the modern Foot clan, Purple Dragons, etc, are run).

The IDW style franchise would be the mainstream in comics, TV, cinema and video games.

Last little addition, I would want the turtles to be wearing pants/ninja garbs from the waist down. Only recently doned on me that they are the only mutants not covering their private parts... :p

Andrew NDB
03-17-2017, 09:47 AM
I would go along these lines as well as IDW is by far my favorite iteration of the TMNT.

I don't begrudge you that, but saying "IDW my my favorite TMNT" is like saying, "I like my TMNT to be 10% Mirage, 75% Fred Wolf cartoon, 5% 4Kids, 10% Archies!"

Which is like saying, "I like my TMNT to be 80%... crap."

Last little addition, I would want the turtles to be wearing pants/ninja garbs from the waist down. Only recently doned on me that they are the only mutants not covering their private parts... :p

You're either joking or a moron. I can't decide which.

ToTheNines
03-17-2017, 09:56 AM
10% Mirage, 75% Fred Wolf cartoon, 5% 4Kids, 10% Archies!

I would disagree with your little pie chart there.

Jephael
03-17-2017, 10:16 AM
I would disagree with your little pie chart there.

Same here. But to reiterate that's kinda the point of this thread. Everybody has their own opinion of how the TMNT should and shouldn't be depicted. Despite how I feel in regards to Andrew's negative opinions on the cartoons and movies, I do agree with him on the matter of how the Ninja Turtles themselves should be treated with more respect.

We both would like to see them show more of Michelangelo's creative side in the mainstream media. I remember in the pilot episode of the 4Kids cartoon right after the Mousers showed up and demolished their original lair, he actually broke into a short poem, which I felt was really sweet and I wish they had made him more like that throughout the series. And don't even get me started on how in the Nickelodeon cartoon he constantly goes "full retard" as Robert Downey Jr. might say.

Icegaze
03-17-2017, 11:01 AM
I don't begrudge you that, but saying "IDW my my favorite TMNT" is like saying, "I like my TMNT to be 10% Mirage, 75% Fred Wolf cartoon, 5% 4Kids, 10% Archies!"

Which is like saying, "I like my TMNT to be 80%... crap."

You're either joking or a moron. I can't decide which.

Well, aren't you the pacifist...

Anyway, for those of you interested in constructive criticism, here's a fanart that I really like and would think suits the TMNT as they are depicted in the IDW comic books. Mr Waltz and Curnow, please give it a try. :D

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz123/Icegaze88/ninja-turtle-design.jpg

Jephael
03-17-2017, 11:04 AM
here's a fanart that I really like and would think suits the TMNT as they are depicted in the IDW comic books. Mr Waltz and Curnow, please give it a try. :D

http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz123/Icegaze88/ninja-turtle-design.jpg

Dude, that's awesome!!!

CyberCubed
03-17-2017, 11:19 AM
Turtles wearing clothing regularly is retarded. I can only accept it when they go above ground and are disguising themselves among humans.

Jephael
03-17-2017, 11:22 AM
Turtles wearing clothing regularly is retarded. I can only accept it when they go above ground and are disguising themselves among humans.

Remember that scene in the 4Kids cartoon where they fighting the Purple Dragons while in disguise?
LEONARDO: "I can barely move in these things. What is the deal with humans and clothes?"
RAPHAEL: "Ever seen a human in his skivvies? Trust me, it ain't a pretty sight."

I'm guessing Raph saw that ugly hooker Andrew tried to set me up with, LOL!!!

neatoman
03-17-2017, 12:28 PM
"I like my TMNT to be 10% Mirage, 75% Fred Wolf cartoon, 5% 4Kids, 10% Archies!"

How do you quantify this? For example, if it was "75% Fred Wolf, 10% Archie", wouldn't April be a reporter? If anything there's more of 4kids in the series than there is Archie.

Andrew NDB
03-17-2017, 12:33 PM
I don't begrudge you that, but saying "IDW my my favorite TMNT" is like saying, "I like my TMNT to be 10% Mirage, 75% Fred Wolf cartoon, 5% 4Kids, 10% Archies!"

Which is like saying, "I like my TMNT to be 80%... crap."

I would disagree with your little pie chart there.

For example, if it was "75% Fred Wolf, 10% Archie", wouldn't April be a reporter?

Not necessarily.

All right, let me think on it a little more reason-minded...

Mirage 10%, Fred Wolf 70%, Archie 5%, 4Kids 10%, and 5% entirely original material/characters/Kevin Eastmanisms (parkour ninjas and such).

Yeah. That seems about right. Still 80% crap.

Jephael
03-17-2017, 12:54 PM
All right, let me think on it a little more reason-minded...

Mirage 10%, Fred Wolf 70%, Archie 5%, 4Kids 10%, and 5% entirely original material/characters/Kevin Eastmanisms (parkour ninjas and such).

Yeah. That seems about right. Still 80% crap.

Dude, you're like the Jerry Seinfeld of this place... though I guess that makes me George Costanza!!!

Panda_Kahn_fan
03-17-2017, 02:17 PM
IDW is my favorite TMNT incarnation. If I controlled TMNT, the entire franchise would be modeled on that comic series. And the IDW series is not 80% crap. The idea the IDW series is 80% crap is an opinion only one or maybe two or three members of the turtles fanbase has, and it's not fact. Also the opinion it's crap is an opinion the rest of the TMNT fanbase does not share.

(end Kraang speak)

RaphaelsIsolation
03-17-2017, 03:03 PM
Andrew HAS to be abrasive. He's the TMNT fan elite... and thinks he's a purish in some narrow minded way....

Those splits of what IDW's TMNT is... is horrible. It's got more Fred Wolf in there than anything, but not by that much man.

I'd say it's more like this... from the IDW Comic perspective.

20% Mirage
40% Fred Wolf
10% Archie
15% 2003 tmnt
15% new vibe/new things

Utrommaniac
03-17-2017, 03:18 PM
I think it's a bit of a stretch to be 40% FW. So far as I can think, Krang, the Technodrome, and (Shredder being mostly responsible for) Bebop and Rocksteady are the biggest aspects I can name, but they really don't cover 40%. Especially while Krang and Shredder aren't working together.

Jephael
03-17-2017, 04:08 PM
Andrew HAS to be abrasive. He's the TMNT fan elite... and thinks he's a purish in some narrow minded way....

You should've been around the fandom 16 years ago. I never would've guessed in a million years Mr. Modeen would turn out this way. Then again we all change over time. Some people who leave the fandom move on, yet keep in touch with a select few friends here and there, while others vanish into the ether completely without a trace.

I feel as if in funny a way Andrew and I both share this difficulty with accepting when people do that. I remember there was a time we both resented certain individuals from TMNT-L for writing us and the fandom off completely, and that might've ultimately contributed to his current feelings in regards to specific interpretations of the TMNT.

On the other hand, maybe he just grew out of kiddie cartoons!

neatoman
03-17-2017, 04:29 PM
While it's hard to pin down to a percentage, because of how you can't really put a percentage writing and art style, even less so with revisions. The only concrete thing we have is tracking down series of origin for the characters and that can be kind of weird...

...Bah, screw it, let's pretend this isn't nebulus and try to put an actual percentage on this:

Mirage

Leo
Mikey
Raph
Splinter
Shredder
Karai
April
Casey
Fugitoid
Renet
Savanti
Rat King
Leatherhead
Zog
Baxter Stockman
Tang Shen


Fred Wolf (this might be a bit unclear given the overlap with Archie and the toyline, let's just give most of the "toy" characters to Archie they made better use of them):

Krang
Traag
Granitor
Bebop
Rocksteady
Mutagen Man
Metalhead
Dask
Kala
Zak
Trib
Zenter
Gizzla
Knight
Winter


Archie (again, not sure if I really should put someone like Mondo here given the overlap but I'll do it based on how how the characters were used.)

Mondo Gecko
Ray
Null
Jagwar
Manmoth
Slash (I really don't know where to put him)
Wyrm
Wingnut
Scumbug


4Kids

Hun
Bishop
Ch'rell
Angel
Darius
Jammer(head)


Originals

Hob
Bludgeon
Koya
Sally
Lindsey
Kitsune
Chi-You
Alopex
Herman
Woody
Pepperoni
Zodi
Jennika
Harold
Libby


And that's about as many as I can list and almost feel comfortable with, I don't really feel it's fair to list the individual Neutrinos or cameos like Wingnut, but if we want to challenge the "70% FW" estimate, fine.

This has 16 Mirage characters, 15 FW characters, 9 Archie characters, 6 4Kids characters and 15 Original ones which adds up to 61 characters total . I think you can already figure out the rough results but let's go ahead anyway:

26% Mirage
25% FW
14% Archie
10% 4Kids
25% Original

Not the exact percentage but a rough estimate, a much more even spread than what Andrew initially put forth. Let's alter the FW and Archie groups to increase the percentage of FW characters, add all the overlapping characters to the FW group:

32% FW
6% Archie

The FW characters, while now making up the majority, still isn't 70%. It's not even above 50%.

Now again, this actually up in the air and a lot of these characters are basically just given cameo roles. Like I said before, I don't think you can really put a number on influence and my sample size isn't all the characters but if we have to try, at least this isn't quite as arbitrary as just proclaiming 70%.


Edit: Dear God this is long now that I look at it.

TL;DR, A rough quarter of the characters are Mirage Originals, two fifths are certainly not FW characters and only about a third CAN be thought of as FW characters. The actual amount of influence can't really be pinned down though, that's not how art works.

CyberCubed
03-17-2017, 04:40 PM
Yeah, neatoman is right. Also if you count the Neutrinos all as one unit rather than 6 separate characters, then the percentage goes down even more. You can probably do the same for Traag/Granitor since they're indistinguishable as characters.

MikeandRaph87
03-17-2017, 05:01 PM
Yeah, neatoman is right. Also if you count the Neutrinos all as one unit rather than 6 separate characters, then the percentage goes down even more. You can probably do the same for Traag/Granitor since they're indistinguishable as characters.

I think of it as Tragg and generic rock soldiers. Granitor got attention between 1987-1989,but is just another rock solider. In this case I will grant you are correct.

Also,how would the individual utroms be counted from Krang's father to Ch'rell's sister and the others?

Also Detective Sara Lewis and Officer Lin. Time will tell if Officer Lin is a one-shot character due to Lewis not being in the line of work that would have allowed her to invesitgate the sewers.

neatoman
03-17-2017, 05:32 PM
Holy crap, I just noticed I missed Donatello of all characters!:lol:

Oh well, adding one more character would only cause a slight shift in percentage. It's not meant to be a complete list or even an accurate measurement, it's just meant to show that you can't really say it's mostly Fred Wolf inspired, I even tipped groupings in favor of the Fred Wolf cartoon and I still only came up with 25-32%

Like you guys said, if I were to group in characters that aren't really individuals and scratch cameos, the results would look more like this:
Mirage, 30%
FW, 20%
Archie, 13%
4Kids, 10%
Original, 27%

Andrew NDB
03-17-2017, 11:26 PM
While it's hard to pin down to a percentage, because of how you can't really put a percentage writing and art style, even less so with revisions. The only concrete thing we have is tracking down series of origin for the characters and that can be kind of weird...

...Bah, screw it, let's pretend this isn't nebulus and try to put an actual percentage on this:

Mirage

Leo
Mikey
Raph
Splinter
Shredder
Karai
April
Casey
Fugitoid
Renet
Savanti
Rat King
Leatherhead
Zog
Baxter Stockman
Tang Shen


Fred Wolf (this might be a bit unclear given the overlap with Archie and the toyline, let's just give most of the "toy" characters to Archie they made better use of them):

Krang
Traag
Granitor
Bebop
Rocksteady
Mutagen Man
Metalhead
Dask
Kala
Zak
Trib
Zenter
Gizzla
Knight
Winter


Archie (again, not sure if I really should put someone like Mondo here given the overlap but I'll do it based on how how the characters were used.)

Mondo Gecko
Ray
Null
Jagwar
Manmoth
Slash (I really don't know where to put him)
Wyrm
Wingnut
Scumbug


4Kids

Hun
Bishop
Ch'rell
Angel
Darius
Jammer(head)


Originals

Hob
Bludgeon
Koya
Sally
Lindsey
Kitsune
Chi-You
Alopex
Herman
Woody
Pepperoni
Zodi
Jennika
Harold
Libby


And that's about as many as I can list and almost feel comfortable with, I don't really feel it's fair to list the individual Neutrinos or cameos like Wingnut, but if we want to challenge the "70% FW" estimate, fine.

This has 16 Mirage characters, 15 FW characters, 9 Archie characters, 6 4Kids characters and 15 Original ones which adds up to 61 characters total . I think you can already figure out the rough results but let's go ahead anyway:

26% Mirage
25% FW
14% Archie
10% 4Kids
25% Original

Not the exact percentage but a rough estimate, a much more even spread than what Andrew initially put forth. Let's alter the FW and Archie groups to increase the percentage of FW characters, add all the overlapping characters to the FW group:

32% FW
6% Archie

The FW characters, while now making up the majority, still isn't 70%. It's not even above 50%.

Now again, this actually up in the air and a lot of these characters are basically just given cameo roles. Like I said before, I don't think you can really put a number on influence and my sample size isn't all the characters but if we have to try, at least this isn't quite as arbitrary as just proclaiming 70%.


Edit: Dear God this is long now that I look at it.

TL;DR, A rough quarter of the characters are Mirage Originals, two fifths are certainly not FW characters and only about a third CAN be thought of as FW characters. The actual amount of influence can't really be pinned down though, that's not how art works.

That list of characters is pretty meaningless when the ones from Mirage that also appear in Fred Wolf are portrayed as they are in Fred Wolf in IDW.

I mean, is IDW Mikey more like FW Mikey or more like Mirage Mikey? It's not even close. Donnie? Pfft.

And what about things like pizza obsession? I wonder what universe started that...

neatoman
03-18-2017, 01:52 AM
That list of characters is pretty meaningless when the ones from Mirage that also appear in Fred Wolf are portrayed as they are in Fred Wolf in IDW.

I mean, is IDW Mikey more like FW Mikey or more like Mirage Mikey? It's not even close. Donnie? Pfft.

And what about things like pizza obsession? I wonder what universe started that...

Well yeah, of course the list is meaningless, it was the first and last thing I admitted about it.

Though I wouldn't really agree the characters are more similar to their FW counterparts. The pizza thing is there but it's not really highlighted and it's at no point implied their diet only consists of pizza. Silly things like that aside, when was the last time FW Shredder stabbed someone in the gut to prove a point? Or FW Baxter was confident? Even FW originals like Krang don't come across like their original counterparts.

But fine, let's paint a grossly unfair picture here and assume all the characters are more similar to their cartoon counterparts:

FW

Leo
Mikey
Raph
Don
Splinter
Shredder
April
Casey
Rat King
Leatherhead
Baxter Stockman
Krang
Traag
Granitor
Bebop
Rocksteady
Mutagen Man
Metalhead
Dask
Kala
Zak
Trib
Zenter
Gizzla
Knight
Winter
Mondo Gecko
Ray
Slash
Wingnut
Scumbug


4Kids

Hun
Bishop
Ch'rell
Angel
Darius
Jammer(head)
Karai
Fugitoid
Renet
Savanti
Zog
Tang Shen


Archie

Null
Jagwar
Manmoth
Wyrm


Orignals

Hob
Bludgeon
Koya
Sally
Lindsey
Kitsune
Chi-You
Alopex
Herman
Woody
Pepperoni
Zodi
Jennika
Harold
Libby


Oh gee, look at that: 50% FW, 20% 4Kids, 6% Archie, 24% Original and literally 0% Mirage. Ain't that bitch! If only they could have remember great characters like... Uhm... Radical? And... Uh... Gosei? :roll:

Utrommaniac
03-18-2017, 02:34 AM
I'd say he's more similar to Mirage, but not close enough. But he's still very vastly different from FW Mike.

To say that IDW shares the most trends in common with FW is...in a video.
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The pizza obsession is virtually absent, save for the very beginning where they were literally depending on it for survival, and it's not even an obsession. Michelangelo doesn't even make pizza from scratch and put unthinkable toppings on it (the kid can't even make toast without burning it to a crisp).
Save for some characters and one storyline, it doesn't really connect all that much. Krang and Shredder hate each others' guts and have repeatedly shown that they'd rather tear each other apart rather than work together. And the Attack on Neutrino - the one storyline that I can think of that is exclusively from FW - only shares a few threads of story. The turtles protect the princess, yes. But she's not a baby with a "silly baby, you have magic; silly baby, you can't go climbing out windows" story. Krang captured her parents, yes, but they didn't escape from him.

Also, the Utroms as were mentioned earlier and a few others make an additional eight original characters.
Mirage

Leo
Mikey
Raph
Splinter
Shredder
Karai
April
Casey
Fugitoid
Renet
Savanti
Rat King
Leatherhead
Zog
Baxter Stockman
Tang Shen


Fred Wolf

Krang
Traag
Granitor
Bebop
Rocksteady
Mutagen Man
Metalhead
Dask
Kala
Zak
Trib
Zenter
Gizzla
Knight
Winter



Mondo Gecko
Ray
Null
Jagwar
Manmoth
Slash (I really don't know where to put him)
Wyrm
Wingnut
Scumbug


4Kids

Hun
Bishop
Ch'rell
Angel
Darius
Jammer(head)


Originals

Hob
Bludgeon
Koya
Sally
Lindsey
Kitsune
Chi-You
Alopex
Herman
Woody
Pepperoni
Zodi
Jennika
Harold
Libby
Quanin
Lorqa
Ma'riell
Kleve
Leeshawn
Montuoro (possibly built up from Mortu? I mean, who names their kid the backwards version of his species name???)
Churk
Yoom


16 Mirage characters, 15 FW characters, 9 Archie characters, 6 4Kids characters and 23 Original ones which adds up to 69 characters total.

Tetsu Deinonychus
03-18-2017, 10:09 AM
* Let IDW keep doing IDW's thing, though with the Nick shackles off. "Encourage" them to also either do a "MULTIVERSE" book that partially spotlights the Mirage universe, or an outright Mirage "Volume 5" book with talent new and old. Reprint everything they couldn't before (and if they aren't willing, take it all to Dark Horse... they've been itching to reprint everything for eons). Kiss Rick Veitch's ass and/or give him whatever he wants to get "The River" and such reprinted.
THIS! Very much this! All of the above! But, I'd get PL's approval before green-lighting Mirage Vol. 5, because I don't want to step on his toes if he gets the inspiration to do one last Vol. 4 issue (I always figured that was why IDW was it's own universe). I'd also commission Murphy and Allen to finally make "The Forever War" which would be published as a graphic novel and likely adapted into a DTV movie (see below).

* Develop some kind of a Netflix series. This could be in the same universe as the aforementioned rebooted movie series, or maybe it's own thing.

* Pretty much always have a cartoon in active development or on the air to reel in the latest crop of kiddies. This could be whatever.
If I went the two shows route, I think I'd rather let the live-action show be the "kiddie show" to sell the toys, and the animated show would be a more serious take for older fans that combines Mirage, Archie, and original elements. Animation is a more important medium to me than live action. There would also be another TF/Transdimensional Turtles type special that features the Mirage Turtles more heavily and doesn't do the "Mirage Turtles are scary" thing.

And, on that note, the main thing I would do is have a line of direct to video "TMNT Multiverse" animated movies! They would be similar to the "DC Universe" animated movies that WB releases. There would be direct "Panel to screen" adaptations of memorable and important story-lines from Mirage, Archie, and IDW, as well as new adventures in the discontinued TV show universes (like a new FW or 4Kids TMNT adventure). "Return to NY", "City at War" and "Souls Winter" would be at the top of my list.

I'd also try to get a heavily Mirage-based live action theatrical film series off the ground, but that would just be "icing".

There is one factor that I'd have in my TMNT take:
Absolutely no magic. Unless there's a stage magician, but that doesn't count. And there probably wouldn't be one, though it would make an interesting annoyance.

In a story with (granted, kind of dumb) science at the heart of its creation, there is very little room for mysticism.
I strongly disagree with that, but it's your opinion, and I don't want to get into a thing with you. Just stating for the record that I'm fine with stories that blend sci-fi and magical fantasy.

pferreira
03-23-2017, 10:05 AM
If I was in control of tmnt, Id get the Fred Wolf Show to play on all the kids channels, have all the new shows cross over with FW, force every new version to pay Atleast 5-6 homages to FW and make FW the one and only definitive versionHa, ha! I'm sure you'd get complaints from fans but not from me. Thumbs up! :lol:

Absolutely no magic. Unless there's a stage magician, but that doesn't count. And there probably wouldn't be one, though it would make an interesting annoyance.

In a story with (granted, kind of dumb) science at the heart of its creation, there is very little room for mysticism.I take it you didn't like the bit in the 1990 movie where Splinter's spirit appeared around the campfire? :o

How do you quantify this? For example, if it was "75% Fred Wolf, 10% Archie", wouldn't April be a reporter? If anything there's more of 4kids in the series than there is Archie.You're not cracking jokes and taking pot shots when it's your iteration of TMNT being criticised! :lol: Don't worry I'm only joking but you can see where I'm coming from. :)

Dude, you're like the Jerry Seinfeld of this place... though I guess that makes me George Costanza!!!Andrew has erm...strong feelings about about TMNT but would you argue with someone who looks like he could kill you? Andrew is scary. :o

Those splits of what IDW's TMNT is... is horrible. It's got more Fred Wolf in there than anything, but not by that much man.I would like to add the Turtles reincarnation idea did not originate from the Fred Wolf cartoon.

ProphetofGanja
03-23-2017, 10:39 AM
THIS! Very much this! All of the above! But, I'd get PL's approval before green-lighting Mirage Vol. 5, because I don't want to step on his toes if he gets the inspiration to do one last Vol. 4 issue (I always figured that was why IDW was it's own universe). I'd also commission Murphy and Allen to finally make "The Forever War" which would be published as a graphic novel and likely adapted into a DTV movie (see below).


If I went the two shows route, I think I'd rather let the live-action show be the "kiddie show" to sell the toys, and the animated show would be a more serious take for older fans that combines Mirage, Archie, and original elements. Animation is a more important medium to me than live action. There would also be another TF/Transdimensional Turtles type special that features the Mirage Turtles more heavily and doesn't do the "Mirage Turtles are scary" thing.

And, on that note, the main thing I would do is have a line of direct to video "TMNT Multiverse" animated movies! They would be similar to the "DC Universe" animated movies that WB releases. There would be direct "Panel to screen" adaptations of memorable and important story-lines from Mirage, Archie, and IDW, as well as new adventures in the discontinued TV show universes (like a new FW or 4Kids TMNT adventure). "Return to NY", "City at War" and "Souls Winter" would be at the top of my list.

I'd also try to get a heavily Mirage-based live action theatrical film series off the ground, but that would just be "icing".


I strongly disagree with that, but it's your opinion, and I don't want to get into a thing with you. Just stating for the record that I'm fine with stories that blend sci-fi and magical fantasy.

I really like the idea of two separate shows, one for kids and one for adults. I wouldn't mind if the adult show was done live-action, like the Marvel Netflix series, but animated would be very cool too. We've never gotten a cool, well-done animated show or movie truly aimed at an older audience. Not that I know of, at least.

I like mysticism mixed in with TMNT too, I think it adds a really cool dimension to the whole property. IDW has I think almost mastered blending the sci-fi with fantasy and it works very well. I would like to see that done in other versions as well to see what else could be done with it. Of course, it also has the possibility of being really hokey and dumb. But such is the nature of studio executives :trolleye:

Andrew NDB
03-23-2017, 10:54 AM
We've never gotten a cool, well-done animated show or movie truly aimed at an older audience.

I don't know that we need an animated show for adults. I'm not against it, I just don't see a burning need for that.

Jephael
03-24-2017, 01:11 AM
Andrew has erm...strong feelings about about TMNT but would you argue with someone who looks like he could kill you? Andrew is scary. :o

Or so you think. Yea sure he's rough around the edges and he likes to act like he's hot sh*t, but he's no different than you or me... to an extent.

Tetsu Deinonychus
03-25-2017, 09:31 AM
I don't know that we need an animated show for adults. I'm not against it, I just don't see a burning need for that.

Well, live-action or animation is just a surface detail, and it really doesn't matter which show is which. But, since I have a preference for animation, and I think it suits TMNT and comic adaptations in general (being more closely related to comics than live-action film is) I would probably take the animated version more seriously if I was running things.

Also, kids these days are more into live action "teen-coms" than cartoons, and the Turtles are supposedly teenagers (http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2014/02/what-happened-to-teenage-in-teenage.html), so I'd have sort of a "TMNT: The Animated Series" for hardcore Turtle-fans and rope new kids in with more of a "Turtle Meets World" (well, not quite that far) that combines humor and action with growing-up/life-lesson stuff for the kids.

dragonside
03-25-2017, 09:40 AM
I'd reboot the FW Turtles while we have a chance, most of the VAs still there, and also needs a good story. Probably Archie Adventures and I'd like to see some of the Mirage stories adapted into the FW format.

AND A CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. because the Fred Wolf Cartoon has no Christmas special.

Jephael
03-25-2017, 09:53 AM
I'd reboot the FW Turtles while we have a chance, most of the VAs still there, and also needs a good story. Probably Archie Adventures and I'd like to see some of the Mirage stories adapted into the FW format.

AND A CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. because the Fred Wolf Cartoon has no Christmas special.

That's exactly what I had in mind when I was writing my little 2034 treatment... though it was ultimately scrapped.

ToTheNines
03-25-2017, 11:06 AM
Mirage stories adapted into the FW format.

... excuse me?


AND A CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. because the Fred Wolf Cartoon has no Christmas special.

Yeah, what the heck was up with that?

Tetsu Deinonychus
03-25-2017, 11:19 AM
A Fred Wolf style "Return to NY" or "City at War" would be an interesting experiment.

The fugitoid/triceratons arc would fit pretty well. I think that's where FW TMNT got it's original tone from really.

Utrommaniac
03-25-2017, 11:27 AM
I take it you didn't like the bit in the 1990 movie where Splinter's spirit appeared around the campfire? :o

I haven't even seen the 90's live action movies :P . I know enough about it to think it's a sweet idea, but it's where I'd draw the line.

CyberCubed
03-25-2017, 11:45 AM
I haven't even seen the 90's live action movies :P . I know enough about it to think it's a sweet idea, but it's where I'd draw the line.

You should at least watch the first movie, it's required viewing.

ToTheNines
03-25-2017, 11:59 AM
I normally hate when cubed acts like a thought-policing facist, but.... yeeeeah. Please go watch the 1990 movie immediately. It's making me sad that you haven't had the pleasure.

Jephael
03-25-2017, 10:24 PM
I normally hate when cubed acts like a thought-policing facist, but....

I'd say he's more of a control freak
This should really be his avatar!!!
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/2/29/Control_Freak_Teen_Titans.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110319022705

DestronMirage22
03-26-2017, 01:14 AM
I haven't even seen the 90's live action movies :P . I know enough about it to think it's a sweet idea, but it's where I'd draw the line.

Wow, that's surprising. I definitely recommend it, there's a reason why so many people have watched it. The sequels aren't as good, but they've still got some stuff going for them.

Utrommaniac
03-26-2017, 01:29 AM
It's just not something that's not really captured my interest.

Though, I am considering recording my reactions while I watch it and clipping together the best of them together.

pferreira
03-30-2017, 09:47 AM
Or so you think. Yea sure he's rough around the edges and he likes to act like he's hot sh*t, but he's no different than you or me... to an extent.Thanks! :lol:

AND A CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. because the Fred Wolf Cartoon has no Christmas special.

Yeah, what the heck was up with that?Good idea! It didn't have a Halloween episode either but got an Easter one. The reason CBS never requested one was probably because of when it was scheduled to run.

I haven't even seen the 90's live action movies :P . I know enough about it to think it's a sweet idea, but it's where I'd draw the line.Oh yeah please feel free to see it even though you'll probably cringe at that part since you don't like TMNT mixed with spiritual/fantasy stuff.

Andrew NDB
03-30-2017, 09:54 AM
A Fred Wolf style "Return to NY" or "City at War" would be an interesting experiment.

That sounds truly ghastly. The 4Kids "adaptation" of those stories was painfully horrid as it was... I can't even imagine what the FW equivalent would be, but it would be 180 degrees from anything resembling "Good."

Prowler
04-04-2017, 06:25 PM
Total control? As in beyond realistic powers? Well OK then:

1. Purge the Bay Turtles stuff from existence and wipe out the memories of everyone who has seen it with Men in Black's neuralyzer... actually no, scratch that. History needs to be remembered in order not to repeat itself. But alas, never let Michael Bay touch the Turtles with a ten foot pole AGAIN.

2. Make a TMNT cartoon for a more mature audience and closer to Mirage. Not even a Mirage purist myself, but that universe deserves that sort of recognition. And if American studios wouldn't want to pick up that then I'd take my project to a Japanese studio instead.

3. Give the 2k3 series a goddamn proper DVD release.

4. Sell the TMNT licence to a video game developer that would REALLY make an effort to make an above average game out of the TMNT. Like going back to the concept of the first ever TMNT NES game but actually executing it well this time. Radical Rescue had good ideas as well.

Andrew NDB
04-04-2017, 06:59 PM
4. Sell the TMNT licence to a video game developer that would REALLY make an effort to make an above average game out of the TMNT.

The thing is, there is hardly ever like a bidding war for the TMNT video game license. Nobody wants it. You get the license, you still have to pay a full staff and crew to make it, and in this day and age to make a "good" game on the current platforms, that's not cheap. The last two games' underperformance doesn't make a good case for game studios to throw even more money at the problem to see if a different result will be had.

It'd need to be self-financed.

Prowler
04-04-2017, 07:06 PM
The thing is, there is hardly ever like a bidding war for the TMNT video game license. Nobody wants it. You get the license, you still have to pay a full staff and crew to make it, and in this day and age to make a "good" game on the current platforms, that's not cheap. The last two games' underperformance doesn't make a good case for game studios to throw even more money at the problem to see if a different result will be had.

It'd need to be self-financed.
Well sure but since me having complete control of TMNT rights is already unrealistic as it gets, I might as well go the extra mile and fantasise about a kick ass Ninja Turtles game!

I think the highest selling TMNT game ever was the first ever NES game. Top 10 selling NES game with about 4 million copies worldwide. Most kids who had a NES had that game at some point. It was released more or less around the time when the Turtles were at their peak in popularity. It's no wonder so many people know about that game still. Turtles in Time is also fairly well known but I don't think it was exactly a comercial success. Did it even sell 1M copies?

And yes, the TMNT property isn't as hot as marvel or DC properties are, we know.

Tetsu Deinonychus
04-05-2017, 11:23 AM
That sounds truly ghastly. The 4Kids "adaptation" of those stories was painfully horrid as it was... I can't even imagine what the FW equivalent would be, but it would be 180 degrees from anything resembling "Good."

I didn't say it would be good, just an interesting experiment. At best, it would be "enjoyably bad". :lol:

And, I have to disagree with you about 4Kids Return to NY, but their take on City at War was pretty underwhelming. I'll give you that.

pferreira
04-06-2017, 09:58 AM
1. Purge the Bay Turtles stuff from existence and wipe out the memories of everyone who has seen it with Men in Black's neuralyzer... actually no, scratch that. Memories have a habit of resurfacing. If you got your own way here I'm just imagining one day a worldwide outbreak of PD memories flooding back because the effects of memory wipe have worn off. :lol: