View Full Version : 2016 Lair still standing or no? Thoughts?

03-16-2017, 01:23 PM
Serious question. And I'm largely curious because I very much want a prop (or one of certain props) from it after the company making the replica of Leo's katana up and canceled without any notice whatsoever after waiting patiently on pre-order for nearly a year.
If you missed my complaint about that in mid-February in the Gear Grind thread... the only way I even found out about the cancellation was by asking them about it myself via Facebook. :roll: The pre-order finally vanished this month, still with zero email notice or anything. They really aught to work on their customer service...
So after that very disappointing cancellation, I'm wondering how long it could even be before props from this film even turn up. (Or for that matter how to track down what I want or find the right contact that can. I've joined a great prop collecting FB group and spoken with someone there, though still wish I had a rough idea of how long it may be before props turn up. So afraid of just completely missing it and having big collectors just dash in and grab things up, leaving little me without a chance in hell.)

THAT SAID, I'm curious if the lair is still standing intact, perhaps with everything still in place, or if they'd have dismantled (or started to) the thing by now. Even if they've already stated that a 3rd film is probably not happening, given the work that went into making the lair set, might they leave it standing for a while on the off chance they DID turn around and want/need to use it again? I could see dismantling it into reusable pieces, but at the same time this production info write up I found two days ago suggests they actually used concrete; plus you have the whole set up with the water feature.

www.cinemart.cz/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/TMNT_OOTS_Prod_Notes_FINAL.docx (If, like me, you can't open the file it offers or don't want to, here's Google's cache version (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NIgCBYBAimMJ:www.cinemart.cz/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/TMNT_OOTS_Prod_Notes_FINAL.docx+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us).) I don't remember seeing this before and there's some other interesting pieces in there.

Both the lair and Turtle truck were built in the historic Brooklyn Armory in Park Slope, Brooklyn. The building, which housed the 14th regiment of the New York Militia, was originally erected in 1893, and has housed several different divisions of the US Army throughout the years while also being utilized as stage space.

Construction coordinator Ken Nelson and his crew had 14 weeks to complete the lair. They began by preparing the space with layout lines on the floor to distinguish the dimensions of each specific build. Next, it was key grip Tommy Prate's turn to fly a massive lighting grid 52 feet in the air above the build space before Nelson could install the different levels of decking that would comprise the lair floor, along with the unusual addition of a moat.

"On this particular set we used concrete, which served dual purposes," says Nelson. "It looks like the sewer system in New York and it's very solid. We wanted to leave ourselves open for any type of crane to be used on set, so structurally the floor had to sound and meet certain weight requirements. The floor, along with the walls and tunnels, had great texture that allowed for great play with shadow and light so that the lair looked like it went on forever."

So - opinion and criticism fueled yeses aside - is it worth it to be too hasty on tearing all that down? Is this Brooklyn Armory even a place where it could be left standing for a while? I've tried to find more info on the use of that place as stage/set space, but came up empty (other than mentions of prior films).

Probably has zero bearing on this one, but I'd also come across this image (two days ago) that appears to be the take down of the previous lair. IF it was posted by someone involved and image posted during it's deconstruction, then that might have been mid July 2015 and not until the second had started filming.

Andrew NDB
03-16-2017, 08:03 PM

03-16-2017, 08:54 PM
Figured I could count on an inconsequential response.

Where are the so-called plants with insider info when they'd actually be useful.

03-16-2017, 09:05 PM
Figured I could count on an inconsequential response.

Where are the so-called plants with insider info when they'd actually be useful.

they've moved on t the next forum/movie to divide and conquer with discord and wrecking/splitting the fanbase.

. turtles is long forgotten about :)

03-17-2017, 02:49 AM
I would have thought they would strike the set after production, but if what you're saying about the previous lair is true, then I guess there's a chance it's still there. Perhaps it will be until another show needs the space?

I have no idea, but it's interesting.

The Boston Ninja Turtle
03-18-2017, 06:32 PM
i feel like movies like this where there is so much CGI most of the sents follow the CGI too so props are very very minimal...which actually kinda urks me about this movies

also where no props where really all the significant theres nothing that would stand it

just compare the new power rangers to turtles...you can go to comic con and see the new ranger suits..you can youch them...for the turtles we have nothing but gray CGI pjs

03-18-2017, 06:56 PM
Yeah, I had assumed their weapons are probably only CGI. Something I was kind of sad about back with the first in terms of props the public might not ever be able to own. Although someone I've spoken to in a popular prop collecting group on FB claims that there were/are supposedly legit props of Leo and Raph's weapons from the first film, though he believed that Mikey and Donnie's were only CGI. Said he owns a few props from 2014, but I didn't ask what. There's a couple shots in the lair though in the newest, when Leo's bummed out and talking to Splinter with a sheathed sword in hand and when he's later sharpening it... I could see how that might potentially be a real prop for shots like that... The company that WAS going to make the replica talked about having the opportunity to examine real props (as well as images) from the film to ensure matching details, so maybe there really is a real one.

Even if so, I'm not married to only having that one if it's real. Would be awesome, but the lair is full of real stuff and managing to get my hands on one of the swords on the wall over Leo's bed would mean just as much. Which might be more affordable for me anyhow...unless the lackluster performance of this film makes props cheap in general.

The Boston Ninja Turtle
03-20-2017, 04:31 PM
we know at least Raphs sais are real...since we have pics of Fox holding them...as for the other turtles i honestly am unsure but i wouldnt hold my breath...especially how they made donnies bo

unless you mean that opening scene from the weapons being picked

i should clarify this has nothing to do with my movie preference

03-20-2017, 06:56 PM
Very true, I forgot that we saw that, and I think in relation to that cut "Raph in disguise" scene?

03-25-2017, 08:06 AM
So - opinion and criticism fueled yeses aside - is it worth it to be too hasty on tearing all that down? Is this Brooklyn Armory even a place where it could be left standing for a while? I've tried to find more info on the use of that place as stage/set space, but came up empty (other than mentions of prior films).

Depends on how soon they need the space. Are you looking to buy the entire concrete set? I think it might be worth it to try and contact them directly as soon possible (just in case) before they do anything- they might have more info on what they or the production people might be doing with it. Worse case scenario is that they might either not respond or give a canned answer, best case is that they might say they are holding on to it for a while or that they will tell you what you need to do to buy it.

03-25-2017, 01:14 PM
lol Noooo...

Maybe if I was ridiculously rich and the owner of Universal Studios or building my own theme park and wanted to relocate the lair for a walk through attraction (which I wish they'd do). :P (And maybe recreate a couple of the others as well.) But sadly, no. Not in this lifetime. I'm looking at just one piece for maybe around the cost of what I was going to spend on the canceled replica. Cheaper would be nice, but I'd be willing to pay a little more as well.

Mostly I was wondering if the set is still standing in reference to whether or not the props are still sitting there untouched or have been removed and sitting in a pile somewhere in storage.

I've actually had a weirdly hard time finding any appropriate contact options...

I guess when you're an insider person who has need to contact these companies for business reasons they already have their own appropriate channels to go through and doesn't need to be available to the general public.

Although I DID try one 'info@' email I found yesterday, for a Bay company, found though Bay's self-named website. (PD has no site of its own? Weird.) And yes, to all others who aren't fans of this man, that was indeed kind of a bitter pill right there, but if the stuff is still sitting, then at best guess it may be the company that made the film that would still have ownership of it all?

It would be nice if someone on the other end has or could get any input on it (or forward it to someone else), but I'm not keeping any expectation of hearing much of a response, if at all. Doesn't hurt to ask though, I guess.

IF at most it could get someone moving on unloading the props so resellers with the right contacts to get the stuff can do their middle man job... that would be good too. (Although my best scenario would just be finding the right person who could legally offer to run in and grab what I want in exchange for a handful of cash via PayPal and call it a day. But that's never gonna happen. lol)

But come on, the film bombed, selling this stuff off could at least make back a few dollars. They aught to get with it. :twink:

The Boston Ninja Turtle
03-25-2017, 02:23 PM
from a just generic movie veiw

prop wise everything would have been gathered and stored at a warehouse...some more generic props may even be reused for other projects

bigger stuff, if not stored or repurposed most likely was destroyed, or as you said if someone chose, sold to a theme park or museum , or planet hollywood, but im not sure on that for this particular project

Eastman and Bay or the actors may have a prop or 2 here or there somewhere

as for sets if they were sound stages they are gone or retooled...if its real world location..chances are its there...but you wont find props

props are never really left behing unless someone misses it

its acutally one persons job to distribute and make sure its all gathered

03-25-2017, 04:28 PM
One person I'd considered was the Set Decorator who was in a behind the scenes video, though I assumed once her job is done she probably doesn't have anything else to do with it.

There doesn't seem to be contact for her either anyhow, and no Facebook (darn), but it's prob for the best anyhow after reading she's this Emmy winning, Academy Award nominated movie/tv set decorator, who is most likely pretty busy and has no time for the likes of little me anyway. lol Er, yeah, I'll leave that one alone.

Although I am a little envious of her job though, sounds like so much fun, esp having had the chance to decorate Turtle lairs.

The Boston Ninja Turtle
03-25-2017, 07:19 PM
honestly i would just straight up ask actors or eastman on twitter or fb

just a simple tweet like..."@Noah hey where the nunchucks real props what happened to them"

could get the ball rolling for you

03-25-2017, 08:04 PM
That's an idea to consider.

I want one of Leo's swords, either in-hand if it exists or one of those from the wall beside his bed would be great too (and maybe more in my budget), but no idea if Pete even has FB or Twitter accounts. If he has FB then he's covert about it and hidden.

Not seeing where he's on Twitter either... Two with his name, neither 'verified,' one used only once and not since 2015, the other opened in Oct then immediately abandoned and the other accounts followed suggests its a fake as I doubt he'd only follow a handful of pretend Turtle accounts.

The Boston Ninja Turtle
03-25-2017, 08:28 PM
hmmm aside from Pete maybe Knoxville? but i know he only did voice

i used Noah as an example because i know he and Alan seemed to be very fan friendly

but yea as they say go big or go home...no harm in reaching out to the bigger ups from there you may get answers

if i were you id reach out to the actors themselves, maybe aside from Fox they will respond

03-26-2017, 04:40 PM
Yeah, I'll keep it in mind. See if I get any response to that email, if not maybe hit up one or two of the Turtle actors.

03-27-2017, 01:58 PM
There have been some weapon props from the new movies popping up in private collections. The lair set would have been struck a long time ago. All of that stuff was built on a popular, big soundstage in NYC. If it still exists, it's probably being kept for potential repurposing-- probably in storage somewhere.

I'm shocked there wasn't a prop auction, honestly. Especially when it was announced that there wouldn't be a third.

03-27-2017, 02:50 PM
But how if there was no auction? What source do they have that I haven't/can't find or for some reason don't have the option of... :tsad:

I've been told by one person - who I think works for a group as a reseller or something? - I spoke to that they haven't seen anything turn up yet but they've been watching out for it already. (Not that I assume that she and her people are somehow all knowledgeable.) The prop group on FB hasn't had any stuff from this film being shared...

I hope everything isn't already spoken for, presumably then I guess by those who actually have contacts and already own various other movie props; to be honest, could just throw up a little if that were the case. If the "hero" weapons are spoken for, if those exist (or whatever the right term is for those used by character/actor), I don't care. At least not if in the hands of someone who will care for them. But still want one of the katanas displayed on the wall. (Which can't really hardly even be seen in the film, but there's at least a somewhat decent shot of those by Leo's bed in a behind the scenes video.)

03-27-2017, 05:12 PM
There's not exactly a direct path for obtaining original props. Unless the studio opts for a public auction, it's really all in connections-- who you know. Most of that stuff could've been spoken for once production wrapped, if the studio didn't already have it locked down. Original production props have turned into pretty big business.

Keep your eyes on the prop forums/groups. Keep your eyes on the big auction houses that do modern production liquidations.

03-27-2017, 06:51 PM
Thanks, I will do that.

Do you know what would be the main trustworthy auction houses in that case?

03-28-2017, 12:22 PM
For newer productions, I'm not the best person to give advice. Check out some of the movie prop groups on Facebook-- the community is pretty strong and loves to help out people new to the hobby.

It's much like collecting original comic art-- things rarely hit the public marketplace. It's a hunt with a ton of replicas being passed off as the real deal.

Prop collecting-- a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

03-28-2017, 02:26 PM
Gottcha, thanks for the advice/tips. :)

Yeah, been hanging around one FB group for a few weeks and taking note of some of the conversations. Went in already knowing that there are those who will try to scam others of course (and was definitely already cautious how easy a random katana could be to make claims about), but I'm actually shocked at the extent that some will screw others over. And more so that a suppose 'business' might... They must have no conscious at all.

Definitely bittersweet on that replica I'd had ordered... Still disappointed it was canceled, esp not knowing if I can even find one of the film props (really hope so), but on the other hand, I'm kind of glad no fraud will try to resell it to someone for a grand claiming it to be real.