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Vicky82
03-22-2017, 10:46 AM
There's a Terror Incident in London at Westminster, Parliament is on Lock down

Someone ran over people with his car, Stabbed a policeman, he has now been shot by Police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

TurtleTitan97
03-22-2017, 12:07 PM
Man that's awful. :(

CyberCubed
03-22-2017, 02:54 PM
2017 just keeps getting worse.

BubblyShell22
03-22-2017, 04:14 PM
Dude, you can't blame the year for what has happened. Blame the people who cause these things to happen and with deaths, that's just the way life goes.

This sucks though on so many levels. My thoughts are with all of those who are victims of this attack and their families.

Mayhem
03-23-2017, 07:01 AM
We get knocked down, we get up again... darkness and hatred cannot banish other darkness and hatred, only compassion, the light and getting the f*** on with life regardless can do that...

CyberCubed
03-23-2017, 03:31 PM
It's weird, how often are there terror incidents in the UK? You usually hear stuff like this happening in the U.S., France, or Middle eastern countries, but rarely in the UK.

It seems like hatred is rearing it's ugly head in all corners of the globe. We also still have North Korea to tend with because all the Asian countries are under fear of nuclear strike.

Prowler
03-23-2017, 06:14 PM
It's weird, how often are there terror incidents in the UK? You usually hear stuff like this happening in the U.S., France, or Middle eastern countries, but rarely in the UK.

It seems like hatred is rearing it's ugly head in all corners of the globe. We also still have North Korea to tend with because all the Asian countries are under fear of nuclear strike.
They take security very seriously in the United Kingdom. As for this attack... it was a guy speeding and running over people. Not much could have been done to prevent this and he was eventually gunned down by the police, so...

I know you are gonna tell me Americans do as well... but no. Americans might be paranoid and have lots of technological means but their security isn't exactly the best in the world. The world champions in that are Israel by far.

Vicky82
03-23-2017, 06:14 PM
This is the 2nd terrorist incident since the 7/7/05 bombings but we used to have a lot of terrorist attacks when the IRA was bombing us and if it wasn't for the Good Friday Agreement, they probably still bombing us today.

It's a shame that every terrorist attack is blamed on Muslims but we weren't blaming Catholics on the IRA Terrorist attacks.

Prowler
03-23-2017, 06:16 PM
This is the 2nd terrorist incident since the 7/7/05 bombings but we used to have a lot of terrorist attacks when the IRA was bombing us and if it wasn't for the Good Friday Agreement, they probably still bombing us today.

It's a shame that every terrorist attack is blamed on Muslims but we weren't blaming Catholics on the IRA Terrorist attacks.
Europe had way more terrorist attacks in the 70s-80s but they were commited by fellow Europeans, usually far-right or far-left factions. That was truly the age of terrorism in Europe.

Vicky82
03-23-2017, 06:28 PM
They take security very seriously in the United Kingdom. As for this attack... it was a guy speeding and running over people. Not much could have been done to prevent this and he was eventually gunned down by the police, so...

I know you are gonna tell me Americans do as well... but no. Americans might be paranoid and have lots of technological means but their security isn't exactly the best in the world. The world champions in that are Israel by far.

Also Americans can just easily get a gun in shop and that's why they have so many shootings. In the UK we have very strict gun laws so it's very hard to get a gun in the UK, we still have shootings but it's rare but our biggest problem is Knife crime.

CyberCubed
03-23-2017, 06:31 PM
Well the lesson here is no matter where you live, there will always be crazy/bad/evil people. Filthy criminal scum roaming our fair streets is where the inspiration for superheroes and comic books came from, because we want heroes to clean up crime and put the scumbags behind bars.

Prowler
03-23-2017, 06:46 PM
Also Americans can just easily get a gun in shop and that's why they have so many shootings. In the UK we have very strict gun laws so it's very hard to get a gun in the UK, we still have shootings but it's rare but our biggest problem is Knife crime.
Oh boy, the gun loving Americans who read this will tear you into pieces for this :lol:

Andrew NDB
03-23-2017, 06:48 PM
Also Americans can just easily get a gun in shop and that's why they have so many shootings.

Not that easily. And that's utter bullsh*t.

CyberCubed
03-23-2017, 07:10 PM
Depends where you live. Up here in New York it's very hard to buy a firearm, but if you live down south where people are less educated and shoot each other all the time, it's a lot easier.

I remember being shocked when I was in Florida and saw guns literally hanging on the walls of Target for anyone to buy.

Prowler
03-23-2017, 07:41 PM
Supposedly, shootings and gun violence in general is at its lowest since the 80s/90s.

I've always wondered how many Americans actually own guns. Like a percentage or something. I can see it being common in rural areas but in big cities like NYC and LA I doubt most people own guns?

I think the only people who own guns here are hunters, cops, military folk and criminals. I think it's pretty hard for someone to get a firearm license here.

ToTheNines
03-23-2017, 08:23 PM
Depends where you live. Up here in New York it's very hard to buy a firearm, but if you live down south where people are less educated and shoot each other all the time, it's a lot easier.

I remember being shocked when I was in Florida and saw guns literally hanging on the walls of Target for anyone to buy.

Says the semi-retarded shut in.

There are gun crimes in NY, too.

Supposedly, shootings and gun violence in general is at its lowest since the 80s/90s.

I've always wondered how many Americans actually own guns. Like a percentage or something. I can see it being common in rural areas but in big cities like NYC and LA I doubt most people own guns?

I think the only people who own guns here are hunters, cops, military folk and criminals. I think it's pretty hard for someone to get a firearm license here.

A lot of people do. They're less likely to be enthusiasts going to the range all the time, but they have them just in case.

CyberCubed
03-23-2017, 08:43 PM
New York is considered one of the safest states in the U.S. to live in. There are police at every corner who will arrive within 5 minutes of you calling them.

Prowler
03-23-2017, 08:52 PM
Apparently Alaska has one of the highest criem rates in the country. What exactly goes on there?

ToTheNines
03-23-2017, 08:53 PM
There are police at every corner

Every authoritarians wet dream.

ToTheNines
03-23-2017, 08:54 PM
Apparently Alaska has one of the highest criem rates in the country. What exactly goes on there?

Check out "Alaska State Troopers". They party hard out there.

Prowler
03-23-2017, 09:12 PM
I wonder how Alaskans feel being so far away from their actual country.

CyberCubed
03-23-2017, 09:21 PM
Every authoritarians wet dream.

Better to have police on every corner than gangsters/mobster/drug dealers on every corner. Granted nowadays police shoot innocent people, but you're probably better off.

Prowler
03-23-2017, 09:33 PM
Cyber, do you remember the days when NYC was quite dangerous?

ToTheNines
03-23-2017, 09:33 PM
Lol, life is not a comic book Peter.

MsMarvelDuckie
03-23-2017, 10:11 PM
Guys keep in mind Cubed does NOT watch the news, and I'm fairly certain he does not read newspapers either. All his info comes from TV shows movies or internet sites. So- yeah, pretty skewed.

Contrary to what he velieves, no everyone in the South does NOT own a gun, nor ro most of us run around shooting each other. Mostly it's hunters and people worried about being robbed who keep guns, and we STILL have to go through hoops to get one even from a place like Target. (Except for rifles and shotguns- those have fewer restrictions and requirements for whatever reason. Probably because they are hard to hide.)

mrmaczaps
03-23-2017, 10:41 PM
Not that easily. And that's utter bullsh*t.

On this, I agree with you. I bought a gun. Its not easy. Forms, proof of id, background check. Then there was the thugish fellow who was from out of state who wanted to buy one but was turned down because he failed the bg check.

The UK is being attacked because y'all a soft target. Citizens cannot defend against the evil.

The places in the US that have been hit are are liberal gun free zones. Armed citizens, those legally allowed to be armed mind you, should be allowed to carry everywhere.

A tool is just a tool, evil or harm is done by the person weilding it.

As for muslims being blamed, if their "holy book" didn't instruct them to kill the "infidels" (also known as every other person thats not a muslim) everywhere and they weren't behind most of these incidents.... smells like a duck, quacks like a duck and tastes like a duck, guess what? Its duck.

ToTheNines
03-23-2017, 10:47 PM
Hmm... Maybe take that sh*t back to Breitbart.

mrmaczaps
03-23-2017, 11:00 PM
New York is considered one of the safest states in the U.S. to live in. There are police at every corner who will arrive within 5 minutes of you calling them.

NY/NYC is a liberal cesspool. Not as dangerous as Chicago/Illinois, but still dangerous.

Y'all would be surprised the number of criminals carrying guns jn places law abiding citizens don't have guns because of stupid laws... like no guns on college campuses... or no guns on school grounds (teachers and admin, and maybe a few 18 year old seniors)...

Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine are in the top of the list for safest states, or NH will be soon enough now that they have Constitutional Carry...

Before anyone says getting a gun is easy, go give it a shot. Pun not intended, but it works.

mrmaczaps
03-23-2017, 11:04 PM
Hmm... Maybe take that sh*t back to Breitbart.

You refering to me? Haha

Good guys with guns save lives.

If you thought every person around you was carrying concealed, would you start something?
I carry daily, everywhere I go except the post office. I'm not crazy, but there was a drive by shooting a couple days ago about 5 minutes from where I live. I'm legal, I've gone to the range and I know the law.

If you don't like guns, don't own them. Pretty simple.

ToTheNines
03-23-2017, 11:08 PM
I'm 100% pro-Second Amendment (and the rest of The Bill of Rights/Constitution, for that matter). I was referring to your bigoted rant. What are you, like 82 years old or something?

Prowler
03-23-2017, 11:09 PM
Isn't this the guy who said Obama was a Muslim who hated Christians and the United States?

FredWolfLeonardo
03-23-2017, 11:54 PM
On this, I agree with you. I bought a gun. Its not easy. Forms, proof of id, background check. Then there was the thugish fellow who was from out of state who wanted to buy one but was turned down because he failed the bg check.

The UK is being attacked because y'all a soft target. Citizens cannot defend against the evil.

The places in the US that have been hit are are liberal gun free zones. Armed citizens, those legally allowed to be armed mind you, should be allowed to carry everywhere.

A tool is just a tool, evil or harm is done by the person weilding it.

As for muslims being blamed, if their "holy book" didn't instruct them to kill the "infidels" (also known as every other person thats not a muslim) everywhere and they weren't behind most of these incidents.... smells like a duck, quacks like a duck and tastes like a duck, guess what? Its duck.

I agree with everything here except for that last part. The Koran does not command its followers to kill unbelievers who are peaceful, only those who are committing acts like terrorism, rape, murder. Have you read the whole book for yourself before accusing it of promoting terrorism?

Many of these terrorists don't even read the book they claim to follow and instead prefer listening to the propaganda of hateful and nationalistic preachers who promise them 72 virgins in a sensual paradise when they die. But according to their own book, the final place for murderers and terrorists is straight to hell no matter what.

They believe they are freeing the oppression of their people back home in the Middle East but they're ignorant to the fact that their book condemns those who kill and use the ends to justify the means, it doesn't. Murder and terrorism are wrong matter what.

FredWolfLeonardo
03-24-2017, 12:07 AM
Condolences to the victims and their families, and the United Kingdom. We will stand strong against terrorism and no matter how much they attack us, we will never let them weaken our spirit and our values.

Refractive Reflections
03-24-2017, 12:37 AM
Unless you were directly affected by it, don't worry everybody, politically correct culture will help us forget about it in 1-3 months just like it did with other terrorist attacks of the past:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_ toll#Terrorist_attacks

FredWolfLeonardo
03-24-2017, 12:49 AM
Unless you were directly affected by it, don't worry everybody, politically correct culture will help us forget about it in 1-3 months just like it did with other terrorist attacks of the past:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_ toll#Terrorist_attacks

Hell no to political correctness. The root of the problem is ideology, not weapons or economic conditions. Unfortunately, we can't change someone elses ideology but the best way is to stand up for our values against terrorism and keep standing for it firmly no matter what. If what these terrorists use to kill others, they call Islam, then I am fully against this form of "Islam", no exceptions, even if its not PC.

Refractive Reflections
03-24-2017, 01:00 AM
Hell no to political correctness. The root of the problem is ideology, not weapons or economic conditions. Unfortunately, we can't change someone elses ideology but the best way is to stand up for our values against terrorism and keep standing for it firmly no matter what. If what these terrorists use to kill others, they call Islam, then I am fully against this form of "Islam", no exceptions, even if its not PC.

When political correctness denies statistics and facts, then what should society do? :-?
http://i.imgur.com/7OuNrSyh.jpg

FredWolfLeonardo
03-24-2017, 01:04 AM
When political correctness denies statistics and facts, then what should society do? :-?
http://i.imgur.com/7OuNrSyh.jpg

stand Up against both political correctness and the ideology of the terrorists.

Mayhem
03-24-2017, 05:20 AM
Nuff said.

http://static1.uk.businessinsider.com/image/589de4e7dd089532228b4b4d-1201/bi-graphicsodds%20of%20dying.png

We're not a soft target, we've had decades of practice from other units such as IRA to get used to such methods. The fact that he wasn't using a gun is testament to some of our laws in general. There is also no conclusive evidence that arming citizens makes them safer from such incidents, in fact very few have been ended by civilians, it's nearly always the police or the perpetrator shooting themselves.

Vehicles do appear to be a particularly popular form of "terrorism" currently, should we ban them as well?

D Piddy 1982
03-24-2017, 06:07 AM
I suppose I would consider this a US chat forum, so as an update for those that don't don't, one of your own was lost in the attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39370325

BubblyShell22
03-25-2017, 05:51 PM
I agree with FW Leo here on the subject of terrorism. These radical Islamists aren't even using the Koran as their source for these things. They are using their own ideology to brainwash others into thinking like they do and all who don't think their way should be killed. You can blame all Muslims all you want to, mrmaczaps, but the fact remains that a majority of Muslims are against what these terrorists are doing and want to fight back against them just as the rest of us do.

FredWolfLeonardo
03-25-2017, 06:13 PM
I agree with FW Leo here on the subject of terrorism. These radical Islamists aren't even using the Koran as their source for these things. They are using their own ideology to brainwash others into thinking like they do and all who don't think their way should be killed. You can blame all Muslims all you want to, mrmaczaps, but the fact remains that a majority of Muslims are against what these terrorists are doing and want to fight back against them just as the rest of us do.

Whats worse is that many of these radicals follow the orders of their preachers without question. If their preacher opens up a passage commanding unbelievers to be executed, they won't even look at the very previous sentence commanding that this only applies to murderers and war criminals. Even if they did know, they would claim that their preacher's interpretation is infallible and anyone who disagrees must be killed.

I never understood the stance of many Republicans stance against Islam and Muslims in general. As someone with Republican views myself, I always thought the more conservative and traditional minded party would naturally ally itself with a religion which shares many of its values and work together to defeat terrorism, as opposed to liberals (who differ with Muslims on many issues) defending the religion and the people after every attack.

mrmaczaps
03-25-2017, 06:25 PM
Whats worse is that many of these radicals follow the orders of their preachers without question. If their preacher opens up a passage commanding unbelievers to be executed, they won't even look at the very previous sentence commanding that this only applies to murderers and war criminals. Even if they did know, they would claim that their preacher's interpretation is infallible and anyone who disagrees must be killed.

Not all muslims want to kill non-believers. Some just want to watch.

BubblyShell22
03-26-2017, 08:50 AM
Not true. Many want to fight back against these people and the only ones who don't are those who are afraid of retaliation and are part of the terrorist group themselves. Others who aren't part of the group don't just want to sit and watch. Remember: Terrorists can be anybody and they don't necessarily have to be Muslim. You just want to single out everybody because it makes you feel good. I used to feel the same way because I was frustrated with the attacks, but I changed my stance on it as I saw a lot of the Muslim communities rallying together and condemning any terrorist attack that happened. You should watch TV more and really see how things can change your perspective.

ToTheNines
03-26-2017, 09:07 AM
Not all muslims want to kill non-believers. Some just want to watch.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/24/06/2CB3E8E000000578-3247124-image-m-52_1443073979209.jpg

plastroncafe
03-26-2017, 09:45 AM
I never understood the stance of many Republicans stance against Islam and Muslims in general. As someone with Republican views myself, I always thought the more conservative and traditional minded party would naturally ally itself with a religion which shares many of its values and work together to defeat terrorism, as opposed to liberals (who differ with Muslims on many issues) defending the religion and the people after every attack.

The step you're missing here is that the Religious Right in both camps has no interest in being tolerant, or joining forces because of mutually agreed upon core values.

They're in the business of shilling supremacy, and you can't share being The One True Way with someone who isn't one of your own.
Then there's the fact that the American Religious Right doesn't like brown people, and the fact that the Middle Eastern Religious Right doesn't like the West....and it just sort of unfolds from there.

Also the idea that liberals, by definition, differ with Islam on many issues.
There are liberal Muslims, just like there are liberal...Baptists and Catholics and Jews. And we agree on a great number of things.

ToTheNines
03-26-2017, 09:55 AM
The step you're missing here is that the Religious Right in both camps has no interest in being tolerant, or joining forces because of mutually agreed upon core values.

They're in the business of shilling supremacy, and you can't share being The One True Way with someone who isn't one of your own.
Then there's the fact that the American Religious Right doesn't like brown people, and the fact that the Middle Eastern Religious Right doesn't like the West....and it just sort of unfolds from there.

This. From my secular point of view, it's always weird when Christians (or whoever) want to tread on the rights of another religion. To me, any violation of religious freedom is bad news for all of them. But like you said: supremacy.

There are people that seriously think The First only protects Judeo-Christian worship. Not that they've actually read The Constitution, but it helps the narrative.

plastroncafe
03-26-2017, 10:02 AM
This. From my secular point of view, it's always weird when Christians (or whoever) want to tread on the rights of another religion. To me, any violation of religious freedom is bad news for all of them. But like you said: supremacy.

There are people that seriously think The First only protects Judeo-Christian worship. Not that they've actually read The Constitution, but it helps the narrative.

How soon people forget that prayer was removed from schools, not because of a liberal atheist agenda, but because there were always fights over which Christian prayer to use.

Christianists in the US are all gung ho about forbidding Sharia with one hand, while signing into law their own version of the very same thing with the other.

I would be curious to know how many Christianists are responsible for the terror attacks we have in the US, except...theirs never seem to get reported as terror attacks, and for some reason their religion never gets mentioned.

The white supremacist who attacked people in New York recently?
What's his religion? Why isn't he labelled as a terrorist? He specifically went around hunting black people.

FredWolfLeonardo
03-26-2017, 02:17 PM
True, there are alot of liberal Muslims nowdays, I heard the vast majority of Muslims voted for Hillary Clinton in the recent election (9 out of 10) and that more than 80% voted for Obama in the past two elections, however before that time, they were a natural republician ally.

80% voted for George Bush in the 2000 election and its been similar before that. If you lived in the Muslim community before 9/11, you were naturally expected to vote republician. Makes sense since like republicians, Muslims shared many of the same values such as on taxes (many Muslims were business owners), same sex marriage, abortion, individual responsibility over governmental influence etc.

Powder
03-26-2017, 02:21 PM
I love how we have a no politics/religion rule that everyone follows without question!

Mayhem
03-27-2017, 02:39 AM
This. From my secular point of view, it's always weird when Christians (or whoever) want to tread on the rights of another religion. To me, any violation of religious freedom is bad news for all of them. But like you said: supremacy.
You do realise that's why the Founding Fathers left England/Europe and came to the US in the first place? It wasn't to escape religious persecution, it was because English laws FORBADE religious persecution at the time. They went to the US to set up their own new colony and then impose their religion on everyone who they came across, punishing anyone who did not believe.

ToTheNines
03-27-2017, 04:53 AM
That's total bullsh*t dude. Unless you're referring to the Pilgrims/settlers, then yes I know it's a popular myth that weren't zealots. One of the many lies they tell you in school.

But fast forward over 100 years later to the actual Founders... ya know, Jefferson and the gang? They did not play that sh*t. Many of them weren't even believers, necessarily.

Mayhem
03-27-2017, 01:07 PM
Yes, sorry, meant the Pilgrims, the founding "fathers" of the colony in the US when the Mayflower et al left in 1620.

FredWolfLeonardo
03-27-2017, 02:20 PM
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet while the revenge porn one has. This thread started out as condolences and then went into talking about republicians, liberals, Islam, Christianity, the first amendment and the founding fathers etc. (I admit I'm guilty of advancing the discussion in that direction).

BubblyShell22
03-27-2017, 04:25 PM
It probably will be closed in time so just brace yourself for it.