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Andrew NDB
03-24-2017, 11:04 AM
http://www.redstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Protest-sing.jpg

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/24/technology/revenge-porn-march/index.html

So yeah, this is an actual thing.

Cure
03-24-2017, 11:19 AM
Revenge porn is definitely ******. I feel like a march isn't gonna help, though. Assholes aren't gonna stop because some women marched. Aren't there laws or something?

plastroncafe
03-24-2017, 11:20 AM
They're few and far between because a lot of people don't realize this is an issue to begin with.

Or, when they do, they blame the victims.
Hence...the march.

Andrew NDB
03-24-2017, 11:22 AM
I've actually been revenge porned before. But... what is a march going to do about it? Will people that are thinking about doing it not do it if they see people marching about it, or bringing awareness to it?

plastroncafe
03-24-2017, 11:24 AM
You're talking about it now, aren't you?
Welcome to the first step:
Recognizing that there's a problem in need of addressing.

Our legal system is always playing catch up, when it comes to ways in which people are crapsacks to each other.

Andrew NDB
03-24-2017, 11:30 AM
You're talking about it now, aren't you?
Welcome to the first step:
Recognizing that there's a problem in need of addressing.

Didn't really phase me, just seemed trifling. Chickens be chickens. I guess the solution is not to send nudes to whackos, or just not send nudes. I don't know that she deserves jail time for sharing what I sent her... she deserves it for other stuff, but not that.

snake
03-24-2017, 01:30 PM
This sh*t is wrong. It's easily preventable though, by not sending f*cking nudes/dick pics. There's a 99% chance they're going to get out.

Inb4 Plastron says I'm victim blaming.

Candy Kappa
03-24-2017, 01:35 PM
exchanging nudes is a sign of trust, and it's pretty ****** to break that trust, even after a break-up or what have you.

It's as simple as that.

FredWolfLeonardo
03-24-2017, 01:59 PM
Nothing on the Internet or sent over a text is private and safe.

plastroncafe
03-24-2017, 02:11 PM
This sh*t is wrong. It's easily preventable though, by not sending f*cking nudes/dick pics. There's a 99% chance they're going to get out.

Inb4 Plastron says I'm victim blaming.

They're few and far between because a lot of people don't realize this is an issue to begin with.

Or, when they do, they blame the victims.
Hence...the march.

Reading is fundamental.

It's only a matter of time before some psycho highschool kid gets the book thrown at them for sharing pics of their underage partner...and has to register as a sex offender for disseminating child porn.

snake
03-24-2017, 02:18 PM
Reading is fundamental.

It's only a matter of time before some psycho highschool kid gets the book thrown at them for sharing pics of their underage partner...and has to register as a sex offender for disseminating child porn.

Both parties are at fault IMO. The sender for not thinking before doing, and the receiver for being a dickwad.

plastroncafe
03-24-2017, 02:23 PM
Both parties are at fault IMO. The sender for not thinking before doing, and the receiver for being a dickwad.

I can see that playing out well in a court.
"It's not my fault! They're the one who sent it to me! I'm just the one who accepted the illegal thing, and then shared it with my friends!"

Actually, depending who the defendant is, it probably would play out that way.

snake
03-24-2017, 02:26 PM
I can see that playing out well in a court.
It's not my fault! They're the one who sent it to me! I'm just the one who accepted the illegal thing, and then shared it with my friends!"

Actually, depending who the defendant is, it probably would play out that way.

Reading is fundamental.

Both parties are at fault IMO. The sender for not thinking before doing, and the receiver for being a dickwad.

plastroncafe
03-24-2017, 02:28 PM
Reading is fundamental.

Your opinion =/= legal statue.

Prowler
03-24-2017, 02:29 PM
I'm with plastron on this one.

That being said, I'm glad I don't have nudes.

CyberCubed
03-24-2017, 02:32 PM
I feel like being a man this makes no difference. Who wants to look at naked pictures of a man?

plastroncafe
03-24-2017, 02:33 PM
Shhh. No one tell him.

Prowler
03-24-2017, 02:37 PM
I feel like being a man this makes no difference. Who wants to look at naked pictures of a man?
Weak bait, man.

Jephael
03-24-2017, 02:40 PM
I feel like being a man this makes no difference. Who wants to look at naked pictures of a man?

https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/a7gmdgO1I98fL-sllVKzZOeoL5w/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2016/09/28/728/n/1922283/36f9cdd743cca890_tumblr_mhpmv1LnjP1qap3owo1_500/i/When-He-Creates-Slogan-Live-Infamy.gif

Okay, I'll let myself out.

snake
03-24-2017, 02:41 PM
Your opinion =/= legal statue.

Oh totally. I don't think the sender should receive any repercussions.

It's..just..such an easy problem to prevent if you think before you act.

Dust
03-24-2017, 02:47 PM
I feel like being a man this makes no difference. Who wants to look at naked pictures of a man?

Just because no one wants to look at your naked body, doesn't mean they don't want to look at naked pictures of a man.

CyberCubed
03-24-2017, 03:05 PM
Just because no one wants to look at your naked body, doesn't mean they don't want to look at naked pictures of a man.

I don't want to look at pictures of other naked men either. Even body builders or models.

Dust
03-24-2017, 03:06 PM
I don't want to look at pictures of other naked men either. Even body builders or models.

That's fine, me and you just don't swing that way. Other people do, is it hard to understand? Just because you're not attracted to men, doesn't mean other people aren't.

snake
03-24-2017, 03:26 PM
I don't want to look at pictures of other naked men either. Even body builders or models.

What are you, gay or something? How can you not appriciate the male form?

ssjup81
03-24-2017, 04:31 PM
This is bad and I don't mean to sound like I'm victim blaming, but I think they should teach people to not take or share photos of yourself that you wouldn't want anyone to see. I always jokingly say, "Don't put stuff online that may be used against you in a court of law" or used against you in general. Anything you do digitally can get put online, even if you don't agree to r are aware of it.

Girls need to be taught that you shouldn't have to send nude photos of yourself for a guy to like you.

I feel like being a man this makes no difference. Who wants to look at naked pictures of a man?Women? :lol::P

ssjup81
03-24-2017, 04:50 PM
What are you, gay or something? How can you not appriciate the male form?I had a friend who was super homophobic and it turned out he was gay, but he soon admitted it and came to terms with it. He's open about it now.

I don't feel this is Cubed's issue and don't feel he's gay. I feel he has insecurity issues regarding his own masculinity.

TheSkeletonMan939
03-24-2017, 04:59 PM
He's just baiting you all.

ToTheNines
03-24-2017, 05:13 PM
Not quite sure what a fitting punitive measure would be for this, but it's crazy that it's not illegal. It's a cut and dry violation of privacy rights.

I can't imagine anyone over the age of 18 thinking this is in any way an acceptable way to "get back at someone".

snake
03-24-2017, 05:19 PM
I had a friend who was super homophobic and it turned out he was gay, but he soon admitted it and came to terms with it. He's open about it now.

I don't feel this is Cubed's issue and don't feel he's gay. I feel he has insecurity issues regarding his own masculinity.

I'm joking. :lol:

ssjup81
03-24-2017, 06:34 PM
I'm joking. :lol:I figured, but I wanted an excuse to say that.:P

sdp
03-24-2017, 07:52 PM
Cause and Consequence. I just don't understand why someone would be upset at poor decisions that they made. it's definitely a crappy thing to do, don't get me wrong and extremely immature on the part of the other but at the end of the day those pictures or videos were given to the other person. They have to know these decisions carry consequences and most relationships don't really last, especially if you're young. Educating teenagers better on the consequences? sure, this is something that could be used taught in one of those jr. high assemblies or health class. People are sh-tty and do things they shouldn't, that's life.

This march however shows everything that's currently wrong with culture of people expecting to be protected or feeling like victims about stuff they should know better. I also think this is a complicated issue as people will continue to send each other private pictures and videos, your grandparents would've done so as well if they had the technology we do now, it's perfectly normal what we're seeing, it's not that today's youth are perverts, they just have another way of expressing their sexuality which other generations didn't have. So yeah, educate the youth through PSA and whatnot, this should be an episode of Degrassi not a march, what next? Marching because cigarettes made them addicted?

With that said I'm out, I gotta surf the webternet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg6JzoCEWx8) for Andrew's confirmed leaks. will return with the spoils.

http://i.imgur.com/5ChWA.jpg

snake
03-24-2017, 07:54 PM
Well said, sdp.

mrmaczaps
03-25-2017, 09:51 AM
If you don't take them, they can't exist to be used as "revenge".

Also, polaroids are kind of back.... mini printer that connects to a phone... lol

I'd trust a partner to see me naked, but I wouldn't take any kind of digital image of myself or partner bare a$$ed. Its not a neccessity in life.

plastroncafe
03-25-2017, 10:28 AM
I absolutely love the idea that people think our grandparents didn't have the technology to take and send each other dirty pictures.
There have been dirty pictures for as long as people have been able to make pictures.

Rooish
03-25-2017, 10:58 AM
Holy crap, you all are acting like you never make bad decisions.

Just because you make yourself vulnerable to someone's cruel actions doesn't mean you deserve this to happen.

Especially younger women (or whomever) who are dying for acceptance or relationships do all sorts of stuff they'd rather not in order to keep a partner and because they don't think it will come back to haunt them. And the abuse and bullying they might experience if other people see said revenge porn can be enough to make someone suicidal.

The march obviously won't do anything except raise awareness, but that's what's needed to change policies.

ProphetofGanja
03-25-2017, 11:27 AM
a lot of people in here sound like every victim-blaming rape apologist

"oh, well if she didn't want to be raped then she shouldn't have dressed so suggestively" :ohwell:

ToTheNines
03-25-2017, 11:55 AM
Holy crap, you all are acting like you never make bad decisions.

Just because you make yourself vulnerable to someone's cruel actions doesn't mean you deserve this to happen.

This. I, for one, want to live in a society where young people (and everyone else) are able to get drunk/have fun/make mistakes without having their lives ruined.

CyberCubed
03-25-2017, 12:02 PM
I absolutely love the idea that people think our grandparents didn't have the technology to take and send each other dirty pictures.
There have been dirty pictures for as long as people have been able to make pictures.

Your grandparents? Aren't they from the early 1900's?

Hell my grandparents were born in 1927-1930, so that means they largely grew up in the late 40's and 50's. They didn't have technology back then.

mrmaczaps
03-25-2017, 01:38 PM
a lot of people in here sound like every victim-blaming rape apologist

"oh, well if she didn't want to be raped then she shouldn't have dressed so suggestively" :ohwell:

That's very liberal and extreme of you. People can learn from others mistakes and make better choices of NOT sending nudes to every last person they "date" or hookup with. It didn't take me getting drunk to know I didn't want to do so. I watched my friends drink until they couldn't stand up.

Accept responsibility for your own actions is all I'm saying. Don't want naked pictures to haunt you, don't take them and stick them on Twitter or snapchat or text them or IM to anyone. Sharing it with someone almost 100% guarantees someone else will see them. To think otherwise is pretty stupid.

MsMarvelDuckie
03-25-2017, 02:12 PM
Your grandparents? Aren't they from the early 1900's?

Hell my grandparents were born in 1927-1930, so that means they largely grew up in the late 40's and 50's. They didn't have technology back then.


Um, the radio, camera, and movie industries would like a word with you.....

Candy Kappa
03-25-2017, 02:28 PM
I guess Cubed never heard of Victorian era porn

CyberCubed
03-25-2017, 02:28 PM
Um, the radio, camera, and movie industries would like a word with you.....

Movies were made by the rich and for the rich. TV wasn't even owned by most households until the mid 1950's.

MsMarvelDuckie
03-25-2017, 02:59 PM
No actually the first movies were made on shoestring budgets and shown for mere pennies as "low" entertainment. And what does having a TV or not have to do with anything? Just because not everyone had one doesn't mean it didn't exist. I guarantee you that they had radios and cameras. TV wasn't even invented until around 1950 but it caught on quickly once it was. The technology for moving pictures has been around since the late 1800's, and some of the earliest ones WERE porn for the time. Sheesh learn a little history!

Rooish
03-25-2017, 03:01 PM
That's very liberal and extreme of you. People can learn from others mistakes and make better choices of NOT sending nudes to every last person they "date" or hookup with. It didn't take me getting drunk to know I didn't want to do so. I watched my friends drink until they couldn't stand up.

Accept responsibility for your own actions is all I'm saying. Don't want naked pictures to haunt you, don't take them and stick them on Twitter or snapchat or text them or IM to anyone. Sharing it with someone almost 100% guarantees someone else will see them. To think otherwise is pretty stupid.

Making a dumb decision that can ruin your life is bad.

Ruining someone's life is worse.

sdp
03-25-2017, 03:19 PM
It boggles my mind how anyone would try to imply that any teenager had the technology to easily take nude pictures and videos and send them to their significant others decades ago. I know you're trying to prove a point but because someone may have done it doesn't mean that was an issue in the past, this is clearly an issue that arose in the past decade. Even in the early 00's these things were rare, it really didn't hit it big until smartphones became mainstream and most could afford one.

ToTheNines
03-25-2017, 03:23 PM
Accept responsibility for your own actions is all I'm saying.

So this is the advice you would give the person being violated, but not the person sending out private pictures of naked people for everyone to see?

(That was rhetorical, I already know you're a knuckle-dragging xenophobic bigot and a jerk. Just wanted to further highlight it.)

I guess Cubed never heard of Victorian era porn

He hasn't heard of a lot of things. We STILL haven't told him what a queef was.

Prowler
03-25-2017, 03:30 PM
Movies were made by the rich and for the rich. TV wasn't even owned by most households until the mid 1950's.
My grandmother(born in the 20s) told me that before TV was a thing pople would go to the cinema to watch the news and cartoons.

mrmaczaps
03-25-2017, 04:07 PM
So this is the advice you would give the person being violated, but not the person sending out private pictures of naked people for everyone to see?

(That was rhetorical, I already know you're a knuckle-dragging xenophobic bigot and a jerk. Just wanted to further highlight it.)



He hasn't heard of a lot of things. We STILL haven't told him what a queef was.

Obviously if the person taking nude selfies didn't, there wouldn't be issues of them getting out there. And obviously, you can't read because I did say that its also not right for people to show off other peoples nudes.

Please, I'm not a jerk. I'm a high brow a$$hole. Get it right, please.

ssjup81
03-25-2017, 04:49 PM
Your grandparents? Aren't they from the early 1900's?

Hell my grandparents were born in 1927-1930, so that means they largely grew up in the late 40's and 50's. They didn't have technology back then.Cameras existed...

BubblyShell22
03-25-2017, 04:58 PM
I agree that people shouldn't be doing stuff like this, but at the same time, using something like this to get back at someone and ruining them is not the way to go about things. Awareness should be made on both sides of the issue and not just one side.

AT-Man
03-25-2017, 05:12 PM
People should be taught not to give a damn about anyone's nudes.

ToTheNines
03-25-2017, 06:37 PM
And obviously, you can't read because I did say that its also not right for people to show off other peoples nudes.

I read a lot. Show me where you said that.

If you don't take them, they can't exist to be used as "revenge".

Also, polaroids are kind of back.... mini printer that connects to a phone... lol

I'd trust a partner to see me naked, but I wouldn't take any kind of digital image of myself or partner bare a$$ed. Its not a neccessity in life.

That's very liberal and extreme of you. People can learn from others mistakes and make better choices of NOT sending nudes to every last person they "date" or hookup with. It didn't take me getting drunk to know I didn't want to do so. I watched my friends drink until they couldn't stand up.

Accept responsibility for your own actions is all I'm saying. Don't want naked pictures to haunt you, don't take them and stick them on Twitter or snapchat or text them or IM to anyone. Sharing it with someone almost 100% guarantees someone else will see them. To think otherwise is pretty stupid.

Anyways, to put it in terms you'd understand. How would you feel if you lent a friend a gun, and he dinged it up, didn't clean it, and let strangers use it for target practice? And then you had no legal recourse.

mrmaczaps
03-25-2017, 06:39 PM
I read a lot. Show me where you said that.





Anyways, to put it in terms you'd understand. How would you feel if you lent a friend a gun, and he dinged it up, didn't clean it, and let strangers use it for target practice? And then you had no legal recourse.

Well, see. I don't lend my guns to friends. If I'm shooting and my friend is there with me, sure. But I'm not handing over my gun to them and letting them leave. That would be irresponsible. Duh.

ToTheNines
03-25-2017, 07:08 PM
Well, see. I don't lend my guns to friends. If I'm shooting and my friend is there with me, sure. But I'm not handing over my gun to them and letting them leave. That would be irresponsible. Duh.

Ok, so you decide you guys are done shooting for the day (this is the break up), but then he dosen't return your gun and does things with it you rather he wouldn't (this is the revenge porn). And, again, you have no legal recourse. How do you feel about that?

A lot of liberals would say you shouldn't have had that gun at the range or even owned it in the first place. You and I both know that's bullsh*t though (and the equivalent of your own victim blaming). Just like people violating others' privacy with revenge porn is bullsh*t.

mrmaczaps
03-25-2017, 11:21 PM
Ok, so you decide you guys are done shooting for the day (this is the break up), but then he dosen't return your gun and does things with it you rather he wouldn't (this is the revenge porn). And, again, you have no legal recourse. How do you feel about that?

A lot of liberals would say you shouldn't have had that gun at the range or even owned it in the first place. You and I both know that's bullsh*t though (and the equivalent of your own victim blaming). Just like people violating others' privacy with revenge porn is bullsh*t.


What you are suggesting is irresponsible gun ownership. My gun would not be that far away from me that my "friend" would do something reckless with it. I'm not a very trusting person. I got burned once. I learned from that.

Both parties are wrong. Kids should be taugh again higher morals. Will they stick with them, not likely all of them. Some will, some won't. Bottom line is that it is out there that this stuff happens, yet kids and young adults send the pictures to people who likely have shown themselves to not be worthy of the trust they have been given. If you as an individual do not want your naked pictures on the internet, don't share them.

I like to tell people that its not just you and that person thats getting to see that @$$ anyways... somewhere along the lines, there is most definitely illegal storage of images happening... we have seen that to be true with credit card info at the stores we all shop at and they have data breaches. I'm okay with teaching everyone just to not send those pics. The ones that still do so, will likely have the unfortunate event that they trust the wrong person. Celebs have their nudes hacked or release them on their own if their lights fading...

Its the world we live in today. Does it mean thats right? No, it just means you personally have a responsibility to reduce the chances it could happen to you. I have the responisbility to make sure it doesn't happen to me. And so on. If you still send nudes and that person shares them, I really don't feel bad. People are a$$holes.

Cure
03-25-2017, 11:27 PM
It's nice to know who the real pieces of **** in this place are. Thanks, thread.

ssjup81
03-25-2017, 11:32 PM
I still feel that girls should be taught that you shouldn't have to take nude photos of yourself for a guy to like you. I feel this is a big problem too.

DestronMirage22
03-26-2017, 01:04 AM
I don't understand the whole giving nude pics thing (as sex/nudity is the last thing in my mind in regards to love) but I can at least understand the situation these people find themselves in. There's no worse feeling than having an extreme trust broken, or finding yourself in a situation you desperately need to get out of but can't no matter what you try. Top it all off with the embarrassment of others seeing you at your most vulnerable, and it can make for a horrible time. I feel for those who have to go through these horrible situations, and hope this kind of thing eventually goes down.

ToTheNines
03-26-2017, 03:52 AM
What you are suggesting is irresponsible gun ownership. My gun would not be that far away from me that my "friend" would do something reckless with it. I'm not a very trusting person. I got burned once. I learned from that.

A gun is your property, your body is your property. Therfore you have every right to decide which parts of it are exposed and to who.

But whatever, we're done here. You refuse to play by the rules of my hypothetical situation. I laid the parallels out plain as day. You're either a simpleton or a sore loser. Probably both.

Both parties are wrong. Kids should be taugh again higher morals. Will they stick with them, not likely all of them. Some will, some won't. Bottom line is that it is out there that this stuff happens, yet kids and young adults send the pictures to people who likely have shown themselves to not be worthy of the trust they have been given. If you as an individual do not want your naked pictures on the internet, don't share them.

I like to tell people that its not just you and that person thats getting to see that @$$ anyways... somewhere along the lines, there is most definitely illegal storage of images happening... we have seen that to be true with credit card info at the stores we all shop at and they have data breaches. I'm okay with teaching everyone just to not send those pics. The ones that still do so, will likely have the unfortunate event that they trust the wrong person. Celebs have their nudes hacked or release them on their own if their lights fading...

Its the world we live in today. Does it mean thats right? No, it just means you personally have a responsibility to reduce the chances it could happen to you. I have the responisbility to make sure it doesn't happen to me. And so on. If you still send nudes and that person shares them, I really don't feel bad. People are a$$holes.

All I'm getting from this is that you're a virgin and kinda salty about it.

BubblyShell22
03-26-2017, 07:59 AM
I still feel that girls should be taught that you shouldn't have to take nude photos of yourself for a guy to like you. I feel this is a big problem too.

I agree and that they should be taught common sense when it comes to these things. But at the same time, I definitely feel where they're coming from as they usually mean it to be a private thing and not something that will get shared around. Then they have this breach of trust from the person who gets wronged for some reason so the wronged person goes and shares it and the other person's life is ruined. That can be damaging and that's why there needs to be more education about this thing.

But going back to Nines' example, let's say you let someone borrow your gun and he uses it to kill people. Then your gun is part of the murder investigation and you are considered a suspect in that murder because your gun was used in said murder even though you didn't fire it. How would that make you feel, mrmaczaps? Not very good, right? Yet you entrusted this person to take care of your gun and felt he would use it properly but he didn't. Now, you're screwed because that guy violated your trust.

That's sort of the point of this whole thing. Yes, people shouldn't take nude pictures or be so trusting, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't sympathize with what this costs people and should spread awareness about it and educate people just like we do on gun safety.

Does that make sense to you?

plastroncafe
03-26-2017, 08:50 AM
I still feel that girls should be taught that you shouldn't have to take nude photos of yourself for a guy to like you. I feel this is a big problem too.

While we're doing that, can we also teach guys to take rejection with some grace? Because the whole concept of revenge porn is hearing an answer you don't like and retaliating.

snake
03-26-2017, 08:52 AM
Not entirely. You'd be surprised at how many nudes get passed around "just because" or to cause drama.

ToTheNines
03-26-2017, 08:59 AM
While we're doing that, can we also teach guys to take rejection with some grace? Because the whole concept of revenge porn is hearing an answer you don't like and retaliating.

That seems weird to me top. I've never had a relationship end after the first breakup. Everyone likes the on again/off again game. Why burn the bridge when you can leave the door open for some make up sex?

plastroncafe
03-26-2017, 09:06 AM
That seems weird to me top. I've never had a relationship end after the first breakup. Everyone likes the on again/off again game. Why burn the bridge when you can leave the door open for some make up sex?

Because kids have no sense of The Long Game.
I mean, one of the basic rules of dating is to know how your new partner treats their Exs.
You can tell a lot about someone by how many of their Exs they still keep in contact with.

If they're ALL terrible people, by your partner's estimation?
Run. Don't walk. RUN.

Rooish
03-26-2017, 10:44 AM
I still feel that girls should be taught that you shouldn't have to take nude photos of yourself for a guy to like you. I feel this is a big problem too.

I am sure that their parents do teach them things like that. The issue is that this all falls apart when they are surrounded by peers and seeking acceptance. The issue is that parents of boys don't teach them not to be s**ts.

mrmaczaps
03-26-2017, 11:06 AM
I agree and that they should be taught common sense when it comes to these things. But at the same time, I definitely feel where they're coming from as they usually mean it to be a private thing and not something that will get shared around. Then they have this breach of trust from the person who gets wronged for some reason so the wronged person goes and shares it and the other person's life is ruined. That can be damaging and that's why there needs to be more education about this thing.

But going back to Nines' example, let's say you let someone borrow your gun and he uses it to kill people. Then your gun is part of the murder investigation and you are considered a suspect in that murder because your gun was used in said murder even though you didn't fire it. How would that make you feel, mrmaczaps? Not very good, right? Yet you entrusted this person to take care of your gun and felt he would use it properly but he didn't. Now, you're screwed because that guy violated your trust.

That's sort of the point of this whole thing. Yes, people shouldn't take nude pictures or be so trusting, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't sympathize with what this costs people and should spread awareness about it and educate people just like we do on gun safety.

Does that make sense to you?

The hypothetical of me loaning my gun is flawed as i"'m smart enough to NOT loan it because of exactly that possibility has run through my mind.

I do understand that it's bad that this happens. But be smart and make better choices NOT to send nudes to start with and it becomes a Non-Issue.

Please feel free to swing wildly and keep missing.

I also don't let my friends drive my car because I've seen how they drive theirs.
I don't loan out my comics because some of my friends read theirs while taking a crap.
I am responsible for me and whats mine.

ToTheNines
03-26-2017, 11:51 AM
Parents should just teach their kids to not be horny. That'd solve this whole mess.

Rooish
03-26-2017, 12:22 PM
They wouldn't know how. That's why they are stuck with kids to begin with.

plastroncafe
03-26-2017, 01:21 PM
The hypothetical of me loaning my gun is flawed as i"'m smart enough to NOT loan it because of exactly that possibility has run through my mind.

I do understand that it's bad that this happens. But be smart and make better choices NOT to send nudes to start with and it becomes a Non-Issue.

Please feel free to swing wildly and keep missing.

I also don't let my friends drive my car because I've seen how they drive theirs.
I don't loan out my comics because some of my friends read theirs while taking a crap.
I am responsible for me and whats mine.

You're only protected so long as you maintain the ability to consent, and are able to enforce the boundaries of that consent.

This is not always the case.

People who take pictures and send them to a partner are consenting for their partner to see them, not for their partner to be a assclown and send them to others.

You say you don't consent to allowing people to touch your firearms, or your comics or your car, but...you may find yourself in a position to have that boundary revoked without warning, and by your logic it'd be your fault for having those things in the first place.

Say you get into a fenderbender tomorrow. Someone hits you, and now you've suffered an injury.

Well, if you weren't in the car you wouldn't have had that injury.
Oh sure, the guy who hit you is at fault, but really....if you wanted to protect yourself you wouldn't drive.

DisKosh
03-26-2017, 03:20 PM
It is frustrating because I'm in a long distance relationship and I'd love to send my boyfriend nudes. I trust him 100% but if his phone gets nicked or something, they could get out.

It's also the societal stigma of being a victim of having your images distributed. You're seen as a slut by others even if you're legally classed as innocent, it's not how you'll be seen by future employers. People will be less likely to take you seriously.

I think this is somewhat like being an unmarried mother in the early 20th century, not illegal but people would look upon you with mistrust and you're seen as a 'whore' for just doing what pretty much everyone does.

I don't know if this will achieve anything but it's worth a try so I support them.

Rooish
03-26-2017, 03:24 PM
I think this is somewhat like being an unmarried mother in the early 20th century, not illegal but people would look upon you with mistrust and you're seen as a 'whore' for just doing what pretty much everyone does.

Sigh. Sometimes I feel like the specifics change but the society never does.

turtle1237
03-26-2017, 04:51 PM
Your grandparents? Aren't they from the early 1900's?

Hell my grandparents were born in 1927-1930, so that means they largely grew up in the late 40's and 50's. They didn't have technology back then.

They did, ran across a 1920's nude pic of my great grandmother a few years back when she herself was in her 20's. Was not sure what to do with it? My great grandmother died in the early 1980's, so its has history. I was like 2 or 3 when she pass. Didn't want to destroy the thing or trash it.
I made up my mind to keep it. It just goes to show yes they did have technology than, it may not be cellphones sending pics, but they had the ability to take pics.

ssjup81
03-26-2017, 04:52 PM
While we're doing that, can we also teach guys to take rejection with some grace? Because the whole concept of revenge porn is hearing an answer you don't like and retaliating.Absolutely! That definitely needs to be taught as well.

plastroncafe
03-26-2017, 05:38 PM
They did, ran across a 1920's nude pic of my great grandmother a few years back when she herself was in her 20's. Was not sure what to do with it? My great grandmother died in the early 1980's, so its has history. I was like 2 or 3 when she pass. Didn't want to destroy the thing or trash it.
I made up my mind to keep it. It just goes to show yes they did have technology than, it may not be cellphones sending pics, but they had the ability to take pics.

Oh you totally made the right call on that one.
That's an awesome find.

It's human nature. Whenever we find a new technology our second or third thoughts...and maybe sometimes our first, are: how can I use this to make porn?

Some of the earliest human art are nudes.
Paleolithic Venus comes to mind.
And current thinking there is that those figures were carved by women looking down at their own bodies. Hence the disproportions and lack of head.

MsMarvelDuckie
03-26-2017, 05:47 PM
So true! I thought of bringing up some of the classical Greek or Renaissance masters' nudes but it seemed so obvious. I mean they had women posing for those pieces after all! I wonder how Botticelli's model felt about everyone seeing her naked in a painting?

ToTheNines
03-26-2017, 05:50 PM
It's human nature. Whenever we find a new technology our second or third thoughts...and maybe sometimes our first, are: how can I use this to make porn?

There was a Brazzers scene last year that featured both preformers on hover boards.

turtle1237
03-26-2017, 05:51 PM
Oh you totally made the right call on that one.
That's an awesome find.

It's human nature. Whenever we find a new technology our second or third thoughts...and maybe sometimes our first, are: how can I use this to make porn?

Some of the earliest human art are nudes.
Paleolithic Venus comes to mind.
And current thinking there is that those figures were carved by women looking down at their own bodies. Hence the disproportions and lack of head.

Your right we are sexual creatures, and its rewriting history saying our great grandparents never took nude pics of themselves. Once the camera was invented, guess what? You can see nude ladies from the 1800's. Now I not saying to spread pics of your girl friends to get back for breaking up or something. That's wrong. And not right. But at the same time, once we had the camera, Man started to take pics of less dress ladies lol.

turtle1237
03-26-2017, 05:58 PM
So true! I thought of bringing up some of the classical Greek or Renaissance masters' nudes but it seemed so obvious. I mean they had women posing for those pieces after all! I wonder how Botticelli's model felt about everyone seeing her naked in a painting?

I am strange, I loved Greek art. male and female, if its Greek, I want it.
Statues, I got nude Zeus, nude Venus, fully dress Athena, nude Hercules(My first and favorite of my Greek statues) nude dying Achilles, nude disc thower,

Herc in the nude doing the thrown down on some poor soul in a wrestling match(He is crushing him with the bear hug)

I am not gay, loved the ladies and all. But I also loved Greek art, and I collect a lot of the statues.

mrmaczaps
03-26-2017, 06:05 PM
You're only protected so long as you maintain the ability to consent, and are able to enforce the boundaries of that consent.

This is not always the case.

People who take pictures and send them to a partner are consenting for their partner to see them, not for their partner to be a assclown and send them to others.

You say you don't consent to allowing people to touch your firearms, or your comics or your car, but...you may find yourself in a position to have that boundary revoked without warning, and by your logic it'd be your fault for having those things in the first place.

Say you get into a fenderbender tomorrow. Someone hits you, and now you've suffered an injury.

Well, if you weren't in the car you wouldn't have had that injury.
Oh sure, the guy who hit you is at fault, but really....if you wanted to protect yourself you wouldn't drive.

Live defensively. I may not be able to avoid being in a car accident but I CAN avoid sending nudes thus preventing my s/o from sharing them on purpose or accidentaly.

Best just not to take and send nudes. Besides, all the internet providers have the potential to be able to see them, plus how many servers and other machines do they go through... your isp can see your browser history... the federal government likely has a nice stash of amature porn... really. Lol

plastroncafe
03-26-2017, 06:49 PM
Live defensively. I may not be able to avoid being in a car accident but I CAN avoid sending nudes thus preventing my s/o from sharing them on purpose or accidentaly.

Best just not to take and send nudes. Besides, all the internet providers have the potential to be able to see them, plus how many servers and other machines do they go through... your isp can see your browser history... the federal government likely has a nice stash of amature porn... really. Lol

By all means, feel free to leave as little to chance as possible.
Don't leave yourself open to more liability than you feel you can shoulder.

But, don't think that because you don't choose to send nudes, that they might not be out there anyway.

Playboy model Dani Mathers pleads not guilty in body-shaming photo case (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/11/29/playboy-model-dani-mathers-pleads-not-guilty-in-body-shaming-photo-case.html)

Trial begins in case of Rutgers student who filmed gay roommate (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/22/nation/la-na-nn-rutgers-suicide-20120221)

But don't worry, should someone take a pic of you without your consent, and post it....also without your consent, there'll be more than a helpful amount of people with your logic saying it was your fault for allowing it to happen in the first place.

Even if you didn't.

TheSkeletonMan939
03-27-2017, 10:02 AM
You're referring to a completely different situation wherein the footage is taken without permission and without the awareness of the subject. Revenge porn very often involves a photo someone takes of him or herself, and forwards to some jaded asshole who forwards it to someone else. You're applying mrmaczap's argument to something very different.

plastroncafe
03-27-2017, 10:37 AM
Victim-blaming is victim-blaming.

And the spreading around of nudes without consent is still the spreading around of nudes without consent.

For me it's the difference between stranger rape and date rape.
The violation is still very real to the victim, but people like Snake and Zap will always find a way to blame that victim for the attacker's transgressions.

If only they hadn't been wearing that.
If Only They Weren't in that neighborhood at night.
If only they hadn't had so much to drink.
If only they hadn't taken that picture...

Then that attacker would have attacked someone else. And that's what this is victim-blaming at its heart: is a security blanket one wraps themselves in in an effort to convince that their own Purity protects them.
And anyone who gets hurt deserves it.


And yes, I would consider revenge porn to be a form of sexual assault.

TheSkeletonMan939
03-27-2017, 10:56 AM
What reason is there to absolve yourself of the responsibility of considering potential consequences, unintended or not? There's only one person who suffers embarrassment and hurt by their nudes leaking, and that's the person who's in the picture. Thus the onus is on them to be cognizant of what type of person is receiving the pictures and whether it's a smart move to be sending anything. There is also an obvious onus on the receiver to treat the images with respect, but again - who's going to suffer the real embarrassment if they leak?

Some things are beyond your control, like it or not - examples would be the two voyeurism stories you posted on that last page. But for things that are in your sphere of control, you should be vigilant.

Define "blame" for me.

And yes, I would consider revenge porn to be a form of sexual assault.

No one asked.

plastroncafe
03-27-2017, 11:00 AM
There is also an obvious onus on the receiver to treat the images with respect, but again - who's going to suffer the real embarrassment if they leak?


Which is why the victims should have legal recourse, and those found guilty registered as sex offenders.

DarthRaphael
03-27-2017, 12:24 PM
What a ridiculous idea for a thread. Closed.