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Autbot_Benz
03-30-2017, 10:49 AM
Batgirl is flying solo. The superheroine is getting her own standalone movie from filmmaker Joss Whedon.

Whedon is nearing a deal to write, direct, and produce an untitled Batgirl pic for Warner Bros. as part of its DC Extended Universe.

No other producers are currently attached. Toby Emmerich, president and chief content officer of Warner Bros. Pictures Group is overseeing with Jon Berg and Geoff Johns. The new project originated in the past month.

Batgirl is one of the most popular superheroines in the world, but has never gotten her own movie. The project will also feature other characters from the world of Gotham.

Batgirl first appeared in DC Comics in 1967 as Barbara Gordon, the daughter of Gotham City police commissioner James Gordon in “The Million Dollar Debut of Batgirl!” by writer Gardner Fox and artist Carmine Infantino.

The Batgirl project will be the second movie from DC Films to star a female lead after Gal Gadot’s “Wonder Woman,” which opens June 2. Extensive footage was shown Wednesday at CinemaCon.

source http://variety.com/2017/film/news/batgirl-movie-joss-whedon-warner-bros-1202018544/

plastroncafe
03-30-2017, 10:52 AM
Cue the nerdboy rage in 3...2...1...

TheSkeletonMan939
03-30-2017, 10:56 AM
Batgirl is flying solo. The superheroine is getting her own standalone movie

Yaaay!

... from filmmaker Joss Whedon.

... Forget it.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-30-2017, 10:58 AM
Not sure how I feel about Whedon doing it, as I'd probably prefer some other directors, but YES.

Batgirl to the big screen!

What won't happen, but I'd love to be the case, would be Babs as Oracle training the new Batgirl (probably Cassandra Cain) with flashbacks to Babs as the first Batgirl.

Andrew NDB
03-30-2017, 11:02 AM
What won't happen, but I'd love to be the case, would be Babs as Oracle training the new Batgirl (probably Cassandra Cain) with flashbacks to Babs as the first Batgirl.

In this particular DC cinematic universe that would make the most sense. It's kind of strange if the very first Batgirl ever pops up in a Dark Knight Returns-era.

A lot of very strange decisions.

So right now, in development, we have Nightwing, Batgirl, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Gotham City Sirens, Suicide Squad 2, Harley Quinn: The Movie, Green Lantern Corps, Justice League Dark, Cyborg, Flash, Aquaman, Man of Steel 2, and The Batman.

lol... not even half of those will ever happen.

TheSkeletonMan939
03-30-2017, 11:04 AM
Wasn't Batgirl, or at least Barbara Gordon, supposed to be in BvS?

Andrew NDB
03-30-2017, 11:06 AM
Wasn't Batgirl, or at least Barbara Gordon, supposed to be in BvS?

No, never. Though a ton of people speculated/really wanted to believe that Jena Malone was playing Barbara Gordon in her deleted scenes. But the scenes were restored in the extended cut, and that's not Barbara.

TheSkeletonMan939
03-30-2017, 11:08 AM
Yeah, shoulda Googled that. Jena Malone's character was rumored to be Babs but that never was the case.

Krutch
03-30-2017, 11:08 AM
I love Whedon, so I'm game for whatever he does. Surprised he's having another go at a superhero universe movie so soon after the way Marvel treated him on AoU.

To me, this and the Nightwing movie announcement a couple weeks back feels like more evidence leaning towards Affleck being on his way out.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-30-2017, 11:13 AM
In this particular DC cinematic universe that would make the most sense. It's kind of strange if the very first Batgirl ever pops up in a Dark Knight Returns-era.

A lot of very strange decisions.

So right now, in development, we have Nightwing, Batgirl, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Gotham City Sirens, Suicide Squad 2, Harley Quinn: The Movie, Green Lantern Corps, Justice League Dark, Cyborg, Flash, Aquaman, Man of Steel 2, and The Batman.

lol... not even half of those will ever happen.

Yeah. But you and I both know which of those movies have a much higher chance of happening. I call it the "Batman" test...

Nightwing? Batman sidekick, so Yes.
Batgirl? Batman sidekick, so Yes.
Black Adam? Nope.
Shazam? Nope.
Gotham City Sirens? Batman rogues, so Yes.
Suicide Squad? Batman rogues, so Yes.
Green Lantern Corps? Nope.
Justice League Dark? Nope.
Cyborg? Nope.
The Flash? Nope.
Aquaman? Not Batman, but already filming, so Yes.
Man of Steel 2? I really hope otherwise, but Nope.
The Batman? Eventually, Yes.

NinjaPug
03-30-2017, 11:25 AM
They'll make Black Adam simply to keep the Rock in the fold.

CyberCubed
03-30-2017, 11:35 AM
Joss Whedon is going to have Batgirl constantly making quips and then talking about how women are so much stronger than men in the movie, right?

Andrew NDB
03-30-2017, 11:37 AM
Joss Whedon is going to have Batgirl constantly making quips and then talking about how women are so much stronger than men in the movie, right?

Or maybe have a heart-to-heart with Killer Croc, talking about how similar they are to each other because the Joker sterilized her when he shot her in the gut.

Autbot_Benz
03-30-2017, 11:40 AM
At least its not Paul Fieg's batgirl where all the men are incompetent morons and Batgirl is played by an unfunny middle aged woman :lol:

drgon78
03-30-2017, 11:58 AM
I would be interested depending who they cast as Batgirl and as long as they are not going with the Oracle story line.

AquaParade
03-30-2017, 12:03 PM
Surprised by the reaction.

I think this is a great choice, but I don't have strong ties to Batgirl.

I wouldn't vouch for everything Joss does, but he has done some great work. Love his Astonishing X-Men run and I think he did well with the first Avengers film.

This seems to be right up his alley. Hopefully he can squeeze a little Batfleck in there. assuming Ben sticks around. I wouldn't be surprised if part of his departure as director of The Batman coincides with an agreement to do some more cameos in other DC films. I could see WB seeing this as a good compromise.

CyberCubed
03-30-2017, 12:07 PM
The thing is though since this Batman is in his 40's and Dick is already Nightwing, wouldn't Barbara have to be in her 30's at least?

They can't do a young 20 something year old Barbara in College if everyone else is already older in this universe.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-30-2017, 12:16 PM
The thing is though since this Batman is in his 40's and Dick is already Nightwing, wouldn't Barbara have to be in her 30's at least?

They can't do a young 20 something year old Barbara in College if everyone else is already older in this universe.

Hence why my idea might actually come to pass... hopefully the DCEU is willing to embrace the idea of Robin and Batgirl as mantles passed down from individual to individual.

I mean... we've got a dead Robin and a Nightwing movie, so it seems this is indeed will be the case. But it's easier to sell the non-comic audience on "multiple Robins" then on "multiple Batgirls." Just look at the New 52. :trolleye:

CyberCubed
03-30-2017, 12:18 PM
I can't seem making any Batgirl movie about anyone other than Barbara Gordon though. She's the only well known Batgirl to the general public.

NinjaPug
03-30-2017, 12:19 PM
DC just needs to ignore timelines/continuity like Fox does with their Marvel movies and make the movie they want and not try to fit it into any shared universe.

plastroncafe
03-30-2017, 12:20 PM
Just from the outset this looks like a DC movie I'll catch in the theater.
That hasn't happened since Man of Steel.

What I'm trying hardest to figure out is who Summer Glau will end up being cast as...

AquaParade
03-30-2017, 12:23 PM
This doesn't have to be set in the current timeline. Wouldn't be surprised if the Batman movie takes place before the events of Man of Steel either.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-30-2017, 12:25 PM
Just from the outset this looks like a DC movie I'll catch in the theater.
That hasn't happened since Man of Steel.

What I'm trying hardest to figure out is who Summer Glau will end up being cast as...

Talia al Ghul? I'd be down for that.

And yeah, I'm super excited and hopeful for this. It's not often when I can take the wife to a CBM that SHE'S excited for. So far, it's been Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2, the Captain America sequels, and Wonder Woman...

NinjaPug
03-30-2017, 12:27 PM
Per Entertainment Weekly:

Sources tell EW that this version will be Barbara Gordon, daughter of Commissioner Gordon, and the movie will use the DC Comics “New 52” version of the character as a starting point.

In that timeline, launched in 2011, Barbara Gordon has recovered from a paralyzing spinal injury notoriously inflicted on her by the Joker in the 1988 graphic novel The Killing Joke. In the earlier books, that damage confined her to a wheelchair and ended her flying, swinging, punching career as Batgirl — but she continued to fight the good fight under the name Oracle as a super-hacker.

The New 52 books feature her several years after the Joker attack, having recovered full mobility after experimental surgery, although she is still haunted by the near-death experience.

It’s unclear how much of that series, written by Gail Simone, will be incorporated into Whedon’s film, but sources tell EW the movie will follow Simone’s harder-edged storyline rather than the more comical, playful “Batgirl of Burnside” series that was rebooted in 2014, featuring the hero as a social-media obsessed student living in a hipster neighborhood of Gotham.

AquaParade
03-30-2017, 12:29 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if this was WB's intended take on "A Killing Joke".

Not saying it's a great idea to do it this way, but they like to adapt the comic book storylines.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-30-2017, 12:34 PM
Per Entertainment Weekly:

Well. Yeah. Figured. :tsad:

Disappointed, but not surprised. Just avoid "Burnside" and "HipsterBabs" and I'll be content.

Also, some Killing Joke flashbacks would be nice.

plastroncafe
03-30-2017, 12:40 PM
Yay! Flashbacks to when Babs was sexually victimized as a kid!
Just what we needed!

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-30-2017, 12:43 PM
Yay! Flashbacks to when Babs was sexually victimized as a kid!
Just what we needed!

Would it be less fridgy if she was just physically crippled and the whole sexual angle of Joker's attack was completely ignored?

Also, hopefully we can get Babs to create a Birds of Prey... and bring in Spoiler, Huntress, Black Canary, and STARLING.

Candy Kappa
03-30-2017, 12:45 PM
I'd love to see a Whedon movie of Batgirl of Burnside, it's fun, spunky and entertaining.

Whedon doing a movie based off Simone's stuff would be nifty too. But, the less KJ the better, there's enough doom and gloom in DCEU

plastroncafe
03-30-2017, 12:49 PM
Would it be less fridgy if she was just physically crippled and the whole sexual angle of Joker's attack was completely ignored?


Not really.
I mean, maybe if I considered myself more of a DC person the tweak would have more meaning?
But to be honest? Even with Whedon at the helm, a dude whose stuff I am generally a fan of, I'm all good with that story line.

Andrew NDB
03-30-2017, 12:50 PM
I see that name in there again, though. That's what's going to screw this up.

Geoff Johns.

ranger_scout
03-30-2017, 01:02 PM
Right now I'm VERY TORN on this. I'm a big fan of the character of Batgirl, but for the past couple of years I have not watched anything Whedon has done in the past or present. What he did here is truly awful.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3890026/filmmaker-joss-whedon-wishes-for-death-of-paul-ryan-on-twitter-because-its-funny/

The same can be said for Whedon's good friend Mark Ruffalo and his work. Since late 2015 I have been taking a long hiatus from watching him in anything until Thor: Ragnorak because of him being so extreme and public about his own dirty habits.

The LEGO Batman Movie really allowed Barbara Gordon/Batgirl to shine. So, while I might have to think a while about seeing this film I hoping that the movie will show her in a positive light.

AquaParade
03-30-2017, 01:06 PM
I see that name in there again, though. That's what's going to screw this up.

Geoff Johns.

Judging by his comics, I can't understand what everyone seems to love about Geoff Johns.

That being said, I'm not sure why you think he'll screw this up. I feel like he probably has little say in this, despite his new title. Maybe you know something I don't.

Andrew NDB
03-30-2017, 01:20 PM
Also, hopefully we can get Babs to create a Birds of Prey... and bring in Spoiler, Huntress, Black Canary, and STARLING.

I'm sure that'd be the idea.

What's also funny is that Whedon very publicly announced just a couple months back that he wouldn't be doing anything with "other people's characters" in the foreseeable future. WB must have had a sizeable truck of money for him.

raph27
03-30-2017, 01:21 PM
I find it funny that the director of the first two giant crossover movies in the MCU is now doing a DCCU movie.

As for the actual movie, I feel the same way about this that I do with the Nightwing movie. I'm very excited for them but DC has been announcing way too many movies. At least see how WW and JL do before announcing 10+ movies.

Andrew NDB
03-30-2017, 01:25 PM
At least see how WW and JL do before announcing 10+ movies.

It's sort of a much, much more bloated version of the typical studio attempts to instill audience confidence when a movie premieres.

You know, Green Lantern drops... suddenly there's 10 articles about, "Green Lantern 2 is greenlit!" and so forth, and all the fans take it as an absolute. And then the movie never even makes it to pre-production. We've seen that kind of thing happen a million times.

TheSkeletonMan939
03-30-2017, 01:38 PM
And it's such a foolish thing to do when you're just starting out. Announcing their entire ten-year plan on one day, one event, was the absolute stupidest way DC could have kicked off their cinematic universe. Announcing effing Cyborg when BvS hadn't come out yet.... what genius came up with that?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-30-2017, 01:40 PM
And it's such a foolish thing to do when you're just starting out. Announcing their entire ten-year plan on one day, one event, was the absolute stupidest way DC could have kicked off their cinematic universe. Announcing effing Cyborg when BvS hadn't come out yet.... what genius came up with that?

Shhh. Shhhh. Don't question genius.

Only hopes and dreams and puppies and starlight now. And incredible movies.

:tlol:

The day Cyborg comes out in theaters is the day we know the Matrix is glitching.

Splinter the boss
03-30-2017, 01:42 PM
I would love to see a batgirl movie. I hope it happens. It has to be great though.

ZariusTwo
03-30-2017, 01:43 PM
I'd love to see a Whedon movie of Batgirl of Burnside, it's fun, spunky and entertaining.

It's also not Batgirl

Candy Kappa
03-30-2017, 01:56 PM
It's also not Batgirl

And Spider-Man never got married and had a kid.

ProphetofGanja
03-30-2017, 01:56 PM
And it's such a foolish thing to do when you're just starting out. Announcing their entire ten-year plan on one day, one event, was the absolute stupidest way DC could have kicked off their cinematic universe. Announcing effing Cyborg when BvS hadn't come out yet.... what genius came up with that?

Yeah, they are going to have to take some hits for that when some more of their movies underperform. I'd be surprised if they release every single movie they've announced

TheSkeletonMan939
03-30-2017, 02:20 PM
I don't even think Flash is happening. Comic book movies are THE big thing right now, and the fact that two directors ran away as far as they could from the film, in such a short period of time, indicates that there is something very toxic and evil about that film that no one wants to play ball with.

Shazam... no way is that happening. I feel like the only reason it exists is so that Marvel doesn't get The Rock too.
Cyborg... nah.

CyberCubed
03-30-2017, 02:23 PM
They're probably just going to focus on all Batman related characters and drop all the other superhero projects, besides ones currently in production like Aquaman.

Depending if Wonder Woman does well they might greenlit a sequel for it, but we'll have to wait and see how it does first.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
03-30-2017, 02:37 PM
They're probably just going to focus on all Batman related characters and drop all the other superhero projects, besides ones currently in production like Aquaman.

Depending if Wonder Woman does well they might greenlit a sequel for it, but we'll have to wait and see how it does first.

I feel like Green Lantern Corps could still happen. That one's got a LOT of potential.

Andrew NDB
03-30-2017, 02:43 PM
I feel like Green Lantern Corps could still happen. That one's got a LOT of potential.

Probably. And the "right" people want it to happen.

ToTheNines
03-30-2017, 02:46 PM
Really can't picture Whedon doing DCFU. But this could be cool.


Not saying it's a great idea to do it this way, but they like to adapt the comic book storylines.

You mean "adapt".

Also agree with what you said about how they should ditch the continuity and just make movies. Everything they do seems to be anti-marvel anyways, right down to refusing to utilize post-credit scenes (until they caved with SS) why not shared universe too?

Yay! Flashbacks to when Babs was sexually victimized as a kid!
Just what we needed!

Seens awfully regressive to suggest that bad things can't happen to females. Especially since she perseveres and continues to fight crime with a disability. And later even recovers.

You know bad stuff happens to females in real life, right?

And Spider-Man never got married and had a kid.

YES HE DID AND HER NAMES MAYDAY!!!!

:P

ZariusTwo
03-30-2017, 02:47 PM
YES HE DID AND HER NAMES MAYDAY!!!!

:P

And currently it's Annie-May:D

(Also, he had a son in Mayday's timeline too)

plastroncafe
03-30-2017, 02:50 PM
Seens awfully regressive to suggest that bad things can't happen to females. Especially since she perseveres and continues to fight crime with a disability. And later even recovers.

You know bad stuff happens to females in real life, right?


3/10.
Troll harder next time.
Possibly at someone who wasn't sexually assaulted as a teenager.

ZariusTwo
03-30-2017, 03:03 PM
I do hope once Rebirth ends, it's revealed the only reason Babs recovered was because of Mahattan's alteration, and she snaps back into being a cripple and remembers she's actually married to Dick.

I don't say that to be a **** or anything, I just preferred her fighting crime while coping with her disability, not magically recovering from it and taking 20 year steps back in maturity.

ToTheNines
03-30-2017, 03:07 PM
3/10.
Troll harder next time.
Possibly at someone who wasn't sexually assaulted as a teenager.

Not trolling. How was I supposed to know that happened to you. And how the hell do you know that I've never been molested?

plastroncafe
03-30-2017, 03:14 PM
Not trolling. How was I supposed to know that happened to you. And how the hell do you know that I've never been molested?

I don't, but then I wasn't the one who made the glib, "you know bad things do happen to "women" in real life, right?" remark.

Next time maybe you'll be more careful when you're making purposely provocative remarks for the sole purpose of getting an emotional rise out of people you barely know.

ProphetofGanja
03-30-2017, 03:15 PM
I don't know much about the character, but I think they have a good opportunity to do something interesting with the story and tell a kind of story that hasn't been done before. It would be cool to see the ex-Batgirl Oracle pass the mantle down to a new Batgirl, with a cameo by the Batfleck

ToTheNines
03-30-2017, 03:27 PM
I don't, but then I wasn't the one who made the glib, "you know bad things do happen to "women" in real life, right?" remark.

Next time maybe you'll be more careful when you're making purposely provocative remarks for the sole purpose of getting an emotional rise out of people you barely know.

I'm really sorry. I didn't mean it that way and I apologize.

I posed the rhetorical question because it seemed to me that you were simply detracting KJ because "fridging". I think it's overrated and I personally would never write that kind of story, but I still find Batgirl to be an uplifting character. Even when awful sh*t happens, we still keep fighting. Although, Joker never got what was coming to him, which is unfortunate.

Did you ever read The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo books? I thought they were all brilliant.

ProphetofGanja
03-30-2017, 03:44 PM
I'm really sorry. I didn't mean it that way and I apologize.

I posed the rhetorical question because it seemed to me that you were simply detracting KJ because "fridging". I think it's overrated and I personally would never write that kind of story, but I still find Batgirl to be an uplifting character. Even when awful sh*t happens, we still keep fighting. Although, Joker never got what was coming to him, which is unfortunate.

Did you ever read The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo books? I thought they were all brilliant.

The fourth one, written by some other guy, was weaker than the rest but still decent. I guess that was to be expected. Wish Larsson could have stuck around to finish the ten he originally envisioned. I read all four in a pretty short period of time and got super into the stories, Lisbeth is a major bad ass

plastroncafe
03-30-2017, 03:46 PM
I'm really sorry. I didn't mean it that way and I apologize.

I posed the rhetorical question because it seemed to me that you were simply detracting KJ because "fridging". I think it's overrated and I personally would never write that kind of story, but I still find Batgirl to be an uplifting character. Even when awful sh*t happens, we still keep fighting. Although, Joker never got what was coming to him, which is unfortunate.

Thank you.

I don't object to this new Batgirl movie having traces of The Killing Joke in it because I'm overly sensitive to the subject matter, but rather because...it's done. It's been done. It's boring.

It's like...all anyone can think to do with Barbara Gordon, when they think about her at all, is make sure she's always a girl (ie: immature female human), and that she's always a vehicle for the men in her life to have feelings. Be that her dad, Bats, or Dick.

I find that boring.

I can see the train of thought:
We want a girl hero! Batman's the only property we're any good at cashing in on, OH how about Batgirl?! We can do The Killing Joke again. Then we've got the girl market, and the fanboy market! Everyone loves that story! And to make sure we keep that girl market, we'll get Whedon to direct! Girls love Whedon!


Only, the guy seems to be shedding his female fanbase like dresses drop after prom. I love the guy, love the bulk of his work, but that work only comes in a few different flavors. And once you've sampled them all, they're not new. I know more than a few people who are tired of what he's got to offer, and the way he chooses to present that.

Now if he was going to give us a Jessica Jones-style story about Barbara post Killing Joke? That...that I'd be interested in.


Did you ever read The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo books? I thought they were all brilliant.

I have not, I did see the Americanized movie version.
The original title of the book series is appropriate: Men Who Hate Women

ProphetofGanja
03-30-2017, 04:00 PM
I have not, I did see the Americanized movie version.
The original title of the book series is appropriate: Men Who Hate Women

That film's alright, but Larsson's writing is superb. 10/10 would recommend

Andrew NDB
03-30-2017, 04:04 PM
Although, Joker never got what was coming to him, which is unfortunate.

Pretty sure he's died a few times since then.

ProphetofGanja
03-30-2017, 04:32 PM
Pretty sure he's died a few times since then.

Wasn't there a thing where his kid ripped his face off and then stapled it to themself? Did he die during that?

Chris
03-30-2017, 05:37 PM
Start of last year I'd have been so excited for this. I still am, kinda, as I think Josh Whedon could make a great Batgirl movie. But at this point WB/DC have like 15 movies announced for the DCEU (not even counting this year's WW & JL) and only Aquaman has any significant progress. They've announced so many films it's like they're just throwing (mostly Bat shaped) stuff at the wall and hoping something sticks. It's hard to get excited for something when 3 films in the DCEU hasn't produced 1 movie that can genuinely be called a crowd pleaser & the rest is basically a bunch of announcements with no tangible progress (except for Aquaman).

Plus I'm getting Bat fatigue already! I get that Batman is WB's comfort blanket and they're retreating to him in the wake of the BvS disaster but Batman, Nightwing, Batgirl, Gotham City Sirens, Suicide Squad 2 (likely to be Harley heavy again), it's a lot of Batman. I love the Bat family, there's lots of great characters there that can & should be mined for great films but not at the expense of the rest of the DCEU. Let's get Flash & GL sorted out before we start pushing ahead with Nightwing & Batgirl. Confirming those Vaughn rumours for Man of Steel 2 would be great as well.

TigerClaw
03-30-2017, 09:00 PM
Looks like the movie will focus on the New 52 version of Barbara Gordon
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/joss-whedons-batgirl-movie-will-reportedly-focus-on-the-new-52-version-of-barbara-gordon-a150043

ZariusTwo
03-31-2017, 03:57 AM
Looks like the movie will focus on the New 52 version of Barbara Gordon
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/joss-whedons-batgirl-movie-will-reportedly-focus-on-the-new-52-version-of-barbara-gordon-a150043

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Spike Spiegel
03-31-2017, 11:40 PM
They could do a lot worse than emulating the Gail Simone New 52 run. It got a little dark at times, but there was a great revised origin sequence that would be fun to see in a film.

TurtleTitan97
04-01-2017, 07:33 AM
They could do a lot worse than emulating the Gail Simone New 52 run. It got a little dark at times, but there was a great revised origin sequence that would be fun to see in a film.

^ This. It would be awesome if they pulled from that run.

Shark_Blade
04-01-2017, 08:22 AM
Looks like the movie will focus on the New 52 version of Barbara Gordon
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/joss-whedons-batgirl-movie-will-reportedly-focus-on-the-new-52-version-of-barbara-gordon-a150043

I have the comic and I love it. :tlove: This might be the best movie in the making yet.

CyberCubed
04-02-2017, 02:10 AM
Just curious, who are the bad guys that Batgirl usually faces in her comic? They don't usually have her go against the main Batman villains, do they? I wonder who they would use in a movie. I could see them throwing Harley in the movie...just because.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
04-02-2017, 09:40 AM
Just curious, who are the bad guys that Batgirl usually faces in her comic? They don't usually have her go against the main Batman villains, do they? I wonder who they would use in a movie. I could see them throwing Harley in the movie...just because.

She hasn't really had any good villains in the New 52 or Burnside... there's always her brother James Jr, but I hate that storyline. Ugh. Gordon's son turns out to be a sociopathic serial killer. Stupid.

ranger_scout
07-01-2017, 09:53 AM
The shortlist of actresses who are up for the role has apparently surfaced.

Elle Fanning (Neon Demon/Live By Night)
Olivia Cooke (Bates Motel)
Bella Throne (Shake It Up!)
Katherine Langford (13 Reasons Why)
Margaret Qualley (The Leftovers)
Jane Levy (Don’t Breathe)
Emma Roberts (Scream Queens)
Haley Lu Richardson (Split/Edge Of Seventeen)
Naomi Scott (Power Rangers)

http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/rumor-shortlist-for-dcs-batgirl-movie-includes-elle-fanning-and-power-rangers-star-naomi-scott/

As I stated in another thread I'm hoping to see Elle Fanning in a superhero film some point. She was up for the role of Jean Grey in X-Men: Apocalypse. However, Famke Janssen was worried that neither Fanning or Hailee Steinfeld, who was also up for the role, didn't look like a younger version of her. I do respect her views because I was very fortunate to have met her at a small film festival back in 2012.

Autbot_Benz
11-22-2017, 03:42 PM
https://screenrant.com/batgirl-joss-whedon-not-directing-rumor/

Looks like Whedon will not be directing Batgirl. Rumor for now

ProphetofGanja
11-22-2017, 03:49 PM
I read that this rumor was already discredited

TigerClaw
11-22-2017, 03:56 PM
I read that this rumor was already discredited
Yep, he's still working on Batgirl.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/22/joss-whedon-batgirl/

The Deadman
01-07-2018, 08:46 AM
Lindsay Lohan Is Campaigning To Play Barbara Gordon In Joss Whedon's BATGIRL Movie
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batgirl/lindsay-lohan-is-campaigning-to-play-barbara-gordon-in-joss-whedons-batgirl-movie-a156822

LUL

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
01-07-2018, 09:09 AM
Lindsay Lohan Is Campaigning To Play Barbara Gordon In Joss Whedon's BATGIRL Movie
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batgirl/lindsay-lohan-is-campaigning-to-play-barbara-gordon-in-joss-whedons-batgirl-movie-a156822

LUL

Yeah, and Shia LaBeof is gonna costar as James Gordon Jr. You heard it here first, folks!

Sumac
01-07-2018, 09:13 AM
If those two will play in the movie - it will be awful, but would serve as a source of meme for the rest of the time.

Andrew NDB
01-07-2018, 11:38 AM
Lindsay Lohan Is Campaigning To Play Barbara Gordon In Joss Whedon's BATGIRL Movie
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batgirl/lindsay-lohan-is-campaigning-to-play-barbara-gordon-in-joss-whedons-batgirl-movie-a156822

LUL

Yeah, that's not the way casting works.

Krutch
01-07-2018, 11:41 AM
If it were 2004, I'd legit be okay with casting Lindsay. She was a capable dramatic actress, she just went insane. It happens.

sdp
01-07-2018, 11:43 AM
I think she'd be a good Barbara, but I'm guessing this will be an origin story? In that case we do need someone younger.

I'm not interested in any movies set in the DCEU, just let it die. Give me the animated movie of Batgirl Year One that was cancelled instead of this.


What is New52's story of Barbara anyway? I thought she had only regained her movement in her legs which I was happy for since the comics had always teased her recovering her abilities for many years.

Autbot_Benz
01-07-2018, 11:47 AM
If any known actress is gonna be Batgirl Id want Emma Stone

MikeandRaph87
01-07-2018, 11:58 AM
I'm not interested in any movies set in the DCEU, just let it die. Give me the animated movie of Batgirl Year One that was cancelled instead of this.

Yes, thousand times yes!

As for New 52, she was said to have taken 3 years to recover form being shot from the Joker.

sdp
01-07-2018, 12:00 PM
Emma Stone is too old now, if they're going for her then I'd prefer Lindsay honestly, I can see her getting fit for the role while Emma I can't see her looking intimidating.


Also, Whedon doing this is not a great thing for me, out of all the Whedon stuff I've watched the only thing I've loved is Firefly, the rest ranges from "ok" to "bad", even the movie of FireFly was horrible.

Y
As for New 52, she was said to have taken 3 years to recover form being shot from the Joker.

A bit annoying but could be worse, the problem here is sliding timelines and all characters having to be the same age even though others age. I wouldn't fault the New52 on this, it was going to be a problem eventually even if it hadn't happened.

LeotheLateBloomer
01-07-2018, 05:46 PM
Emma Stone is too old now, if they're going for her then I'd prefer Lindsay honestly, I can see her getting fit for the role while Emma I can't see her looking intimidating.

Lindsay is two years older than Emma.

Krutch
01-07-2018, 05:51 PM
out of all the Whedon stuff I've watched the only thing I've loved is Firefly, the rest ranges from "ok" to "bad", even the movie of FireFly was horrible.So...much..blasphemy :lol:

Andrew NDB
01-07-2018, 11:01 PM
Zero chance of Lindsay Lohan even being in a far-off spectrum of consideration for Batgirl. Even forgetting her questionable performances in movies and inability to carry anything, her age, her cigarette (and who knows what else)-wrecked voice... she is consistently always impossible to work with on movie sets.

Batgirl will probably be cast as some 23-25 year-old up-and-coming talent from a CW show or independent film or something. As it should be. Though the Hit Girl actress might be workable.

ProactiveMan
01-09-2018, 01:00 AM
Yeah, that's not the way casting works.

I wonder if it will turn into a Sean Young Catwoman situation i.e. Lohan crashes the audition in costume sending a terrified Joss Whedon into hiding.

Andrew NDB
01-09-2018, 10:41 AM
I wonder if it will turn into a Sean Young Catwoman situation i.e. Lohan crashes the audition in costume sending a terrified Joss Whedon into hiding.

Joss already is in hiding. The man has barely said one word since "Justice League" came out.

ProactiveMan
01-09-2018, 08:57 PM
Joss already is in hiding. The man has barely said one word since "Justice League" came out.

Probably that whole ex-wife situation. To tell you the truth, after that blew up I assumed Batgirl wasn't happening.

NinjaPug
02-22-2018, 01:26 PM
Whedon is off the project

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/joss-whedon-exits-batgirl-movie-1087384?__twitter_impression=true

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
02-22-2018, 01:30 PM
Whedon is off the project

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/joss-whedon-exits-batgirl-movie-1087384?__twitter_impression=true

Good. Give it to somebody else.

“Batgirl is such an exciting project, and Warners/DC such collaborative and supportive partners, that it took me months to realize I really didn’t have a story,” Whedon told The Hollywood Reporter in a statement. Referring to DC president Geoff Johns and Warners Picture Group president Toby Emmerich, Whedon added, “I’m grateful to Geoff and Toby and everyone who was so welcoming when I arrived, and so understanding when I… uh, is there a sexier word for ‘failed’?”

It ain't that hard, Joss. Pretty sure he was just quietly shown the back door after Justice League was a kindergartner's cut-and-paste mess. But PR gonna PR...

Autbot_Benz
02-22-2018, 01:32 PM
now Whedon can go hide from those crazy ass Snyder fans who keep believing there is a snyder cut of JL :lol:

ZariusTwo
02-22-2018, 01:38 PM
I don't blame him for not finding a story. Babs is thoroughly boring as Batgirl. Her strengths as a character lie in her rise to prominence as Oracle and overcoming her handicap

Redeemer
02-22-2018, 02:17 PM
I like the new 52 babs, I am not a fan of Oracle.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
02-22-2018, 02:20 PM
I don't blame him for not finding a story. Babs is thoroughly boring as Batgirl. Her strengths as a character lie in her rise to prominence as Oracle and overcoming her handicap

The obvious Batgirl film would be half Batgirl, half Oracle. Tell the story, Killing Joke flashbacks, Babs recovers, end with Babs agreeing to train a new Batgirl... Cassandra, Helena, or Stephanie.

Boom.

CyberCubed
02-22-2018, 02:20 PM
I take it this movie isn't happening at all then, looks like another scraped DC movie project. What else is new.

Andrew NDB
02-22-2018, 02:24 PM
The obvious Batgirl film would be half Batgirl, half Oracle. Tell the story, Killing Joke flashbacks, Babs recovers, end with Babs agreeing to train a new Batgirl... Cassandra, Helena, or Stephanie.

Boom.

That'd be like... "Batgirls."

dl316bh
02-22-2018, 02:24 PM
Oracle was, frankly, making the best of a bad situation. I kind of liked those days for her, but I'm also glad they got away from that, because she did just end up becoming shorthand for evidence and all that. That's sort of around where the actual detective aspects of Batman started disappearing and she handled all of that stuff. Not that I think it's improved overmuch since, so maybe that's just a lost cause for now.

Whether Babs is an interesting Batgirl... well, eh. I'm fine with her and think it's worked out well enough. I was never against going back to her in the first place, mainly because we never knew what she'd have been with modern sensibilities anyway. Her time as Batgirl was all Silver Age, when everything was done in one and you didn't need to focus so much on character, sort of like Barry Allen.

It ain't that hard, Joss. Pretty sure he was just quietly shown the back door after Justice League was a kindergartner's cut-and-paste mess. But PR gonna PR...
Judging by what he'd considered as a script for Wonder Woman when he was on that, maybe it's for the best.

Sumac
02-22-2018, 02:45 PM
It ain't that hard, Joss. Pretty sure he was just quietly shown the back door after Justice League was a kindergartner's cut-and-paste mess. But PR gonna PR...
I think, it was more problem not with Whedon, but with Snyder making such trash-tier thing, that no amount of rework and reshooting was able to salvage it.

NinjaPug
02-22-2018, 02:51 PM
Some conspiracy theorists think Joss was never hired to work on Batgirl. They think that was just a smoke screen and Whedon was only hired to replace Snyder on Justice League. I guess the reasoning is that WB wanted to avoid fan backlash for firing Snyder and replacing him with Whedon.

I guess the timeline would support that if you believe the reports that Snyder was fired last February. Whedon is hired for Batgirl in March. In April they announce Snyder is stepping away for personal reasons and Whedon is stepping in.

Papenbrook
02-22-2018, 04:27 PM
Whedon is off the project

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/joss-whedon-exits-batgirl-movie-1087384?__twitter_impression=true

Good. Whedon was a disgusting creeper.

TigerClaw
02-22-2018, 05:11 PM
Warner Bros wants to hire a female director for Batgirl
http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/02/22/warner-bros-reportedly-plans-to-hire-female-filmmaker-for-batgir/

Papenbrook
02-22-2018, 05:28 PM
Warner Bros wants to hire a female director for Batgirl
http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/02/22/warner-bros-reportedly-plans-to-hire-female-filmmaker-for-batgir/

I would say, "do it."

We need more films that are female-directed.

sdp
02-22-2018, 08:47 PM
I want the cancelled animated Batgirl year one DTV.

Andrew NDB
02-22-2018, 09:03 PM
lol... Whedon is off the project and they're looking for another director? WB wasn't even going to make a Batgirl movie until he came to them and told them that was the one and only thing he was interested in doing for them.

Wow, between this and Whedon's "saving" of Justice League... his stock from Avengers 1 and 2 has dropped to near 0.

dl316bh
02-22-2018, 09:53 PM
They probably figure it's fine to just go ahead with due to the Bat connection, even if they didn't originally plan on it.

Was that why it happened? I didn't know Whedon specifically asked for it. I just remember it showing up as something they said they were doing, he was attached and that was mostly it.

Wow, between this and Whedon's "saving" of Justice League... his stock from Avengers 1 and 2 has dropped to near 0.
Avengers 2 was kind of where the downslide started. He's always going to have his rabid supporters who were there for every one of his shows, whether they succeeded or not, but the moment may indeed be over. I don't think most people fault him for Justice League, though. He was basically tasked to salvage the whole thing. Though, that's normal people, who knows what executives and people upset it wasn't a billion dollar hit are thinking.

Redeemer
02-22-2018, 09:56 PM
I would say, "do it."

We need more films that are female-directed.

I just hope they hire a good director that will be able to gives a quality film. Definitely would like to see more female succeed in a male dominant profession, but don't sacrifice quality for the sake PC.

Krutch
02-23-2018, 01:19 AM
Well, my interest in this movie just went from a generous 5 to a realistic 0.

Hopefully this all leads to Whedon returning to TV and doing what he does best.

We need more films that are female-directed.How about just hiring the right director for the job regardless of their gender?

Sumac
02-23-2018, 02:29 AM
How about just hiring the right director for the job regardless of their gender?
Not politically correct.

Papenbrook
02-23-2018, 08:44 AM
Hopefully this all leads to Whedon returning to TV and doing what he does best.


No, he should be blacklisted from the entertainment industry. He should never be allowed to work on any media ever again.

How about just hiring the right director for the job regardless of their gender?


The vast majority of the entertainment and media industries are, currently, being run by men, and they never had any problems with hiring and promoting male directors, regardless of their status and qualification. However, they seem to almost always have a problem with even considering female directors for the job.

That's why I'm concerned.

NinjaPug
02-23-2018, 08:57 AM
No, he should be blacklisted from the entertainment industry. He should never be allowed to work on any media ever again.

Why? Because he allegedly cheated on his ex-wife?

Papenbrook
02-23-2018, 09:10 AM
Why? Because he allegedly cheated on his ex-wife?

He took advantage of people while he was in his position of power.

No matter how you slice it, that's despicable.

NinjaPug
02-23-2018, 09:21 AM
He took advantage of people while he was in his position of power.

No matter how you slice it, that's despicable.

Where are these allegations from the people you claim he took advantage of? I've only seen his ex say he slept with people involved with and fans of the Buffy tv show.

Sumac
02-23-2018, 10:12 AM
No, he should be blacklisted from the entertainment industry. He should never be allowed to work on any media ever again.
Yes, yes, let's kill all the bad guys.
Let's see how soon everyone won't be "good enough" and will need to be removed.

I am not arguing that he might be far from feminist he pretended to be and maybe not even the nice person, however, I don't think he made something so-so horrible that he should be ostracized for the rest of his days.
And even if he does, this decision should be made by level-headed people, not the likes of you.

The vast majority of the entertainment and media industries are currently being run by men, and they never had any problems with hiring and promoting male directors, regardless of their status and qualification. However, they seem to almost always have a problem with even considering female directors for the job.

That's why I'm concerned.
Or maybe, male directors just promoted because they are better than female ones.

This problem is complicated, but "positive discrimination", i.e. taking people on the job, regardless of their qualification, just because of their gender is not a good solution.

TigerClaw
02-23-2018, 11:18 AM
Joss Whedon Wanted To Adapt An Unexpected Comic Book Storyline For His BATGIRL Movie
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batgirl/joss-whedon-wanted-to-adapt-an-unexpected-comic-book-storyline-for-his-batgirl-movie-a158105

Andrew NDB
02-23-2018, 11:20 AM
For fun, I just peeked at Joss' Twitter. That's a whole lot of bile he's been spewing lately.

TigerClaw
02-23-2018, 11:23 AM
For fun, I just peeked at Joss' Twitter. That's a whole lot of bile he's been spewing lately.
Yeah, He tends to post very political tweets and such.

Autbot_Benz
02-23-2018, 11:28 AM
Yes, yes, let's kill all the bad guys.
Let's see how soon everyone won't be "good enough" and will need to be removed.

I am not arguing that he might be far from feminist he pretended to be and maybe not even the nice person, however, I don't think he made something so-so horrible that he should be ostracized for the rest of his days.
And even if he does, this decision should be made by level-headed people, not the likes of you.


Or maybe, male directors just promoted because they are better than female ones.

This problem is complicated, but "positive discrimination", i.e. taking people on the job, regardless of their qualification, just because of their gender is not a good solution.

lets just put pappenbrook in a box and send her to Themyscra. An island of all women and no men allowed she would be so happy. But yes lets let level headed people make descision about who works where instead of a triggered SJW.:lol:

Krutch
02-23-2018, 05:43 PM
No, he should be blacklisted from the entertainment industry. He should never be allowed to work on any media ever again.

The vast majority of the entertainment and media industries are currently being run by men, and they never had any problems with hiring and promoting male directors, regardless of their status and qualification. However, they seem to almost always have a problem with even considering female directors for the job.

That's why I'm concerned.

Wow. Just...wow.

Because of his marital problems he should lose his career? This isn't rape allegations we're talking about. Cool your jets.

As for your statement on the entertainment industry at large, well... I just... I just can't fathom how you've reached that conclusion aside from reading spin articles on women empowerment. I work in Toronto Television and I remember while we were in pre-production, the showrunner and executive producers (both female) said they wanted all female directors beyond the pilot episode. There were 13 episodes total that season. Guess how many episodes were directed by women? 2. Due to lack of available female directors.

The truth is girls don't tend to get into film as much as guys do. It's finally changing (albiet slowly), but guys who were working 30 years ago as directors are still directing. Male DPs who have been working for a long time usually get their shot as Director if they've been working long enough and have enough clout. In "old Hollywood", girls were mostly involved in costume, make-up, and production design. These aren't positions that crossover into directing unlike camera and Assistant Director positions do.

What I'm getting at is the ratio of working men to female directors is going to take a long while to even out, but it's happening. But don't expect because one producer hires a guy to direct instead of a girl it's because they "have a problem even considering" a female. The talent pool is still currently minuscule compared to men. And at the end of the day, you want a good product. And alot of these guys have decades of experience under their belt. And even if they don't - maybe they just had a better pitch.

Basically - don't expect the worst in people.

He took advantage of people while he was in his position of power.

No matter how you slice it, that's despicable.

Face the facts; the only thing we know of this is an article written by a hurt spouse with the sole intention of hurting Joss' image as publicly as possible. We know literally zero of the intimate details of their marriage, conversations, arrangements - anything. I'm not saying what she has said isn't true, I'm saying that's a very compromised one sided argument to paint a whole picture around.

Again... don't expect the worst in people. Chill out. Not everything needs a pitchfork.

ranger_scout
02-23-2018, 06:34 PM
Well, I can't say that Whedon leaving the film is disappointing news for me to hear. I just didn't find his Tweets defendable at all. What he wrote about the boss of my brother's girlfriend was simply insulting. He also really doesn't come across as a decent human being based on what his ex-wife wrote about him.

Should Warner Bros. still move forward with this project I really do believe that female director would be the route to go. Patty Jenkins did amazing things with Wonder Woman. We'll just see what happens.

CyberCubed
02-23-2018, 07:11 PM
What he wrote about the boss of my brother's girlfriend was simply insulting. s.

You family is in the industry?

ranger_scout
02-24-2018, 09:40 AM
You family is in the industry?

My brother's girlfriend works for Paul Ryan. I didn't vote for either 2016 Presidential candidate and did a fill-in vote. I can definitely understand why the entertainment industry makes fun and heavily criticizes the President, but I don't recall Ryan doing anything terrible. Whedon made headlines for writing the most insulting things about Ryan and cancer survivors who visited him.

MikeandRaph87
02-24-2018, 10:52 AM
I want the cancelled animated Batgirl year one DTV.

Yes,please! One of the best mini-series DC ever did.

Autbot_Benz
02-24-2018, 10:54 AM
My brother's girlfriend works for Paul Ryan. I didn't vote for either 2016 Presidential candidate and did a fill-in vote. I can definitely understand why the entertainment industry makes fun and heavily criticizes the President, but I don't recall Ryan doing anything terrible. Whedon made headlines for writing the most insulting things about Ryan and cancer survivors who visited him.

Not to Turn this thread political but The only thing Paul Ryan does is absolutely nothing :lol: He is part of the Republican do nothing congress and he is bought and paid for by the NRA. He also has a face you could punch. Can't wait till he is voted out.

ranger_scout
02-27-2018, 10:46 AM
Apparently, it could be years before the film ever hits the big screen.

https://www.thewrap.com/warner-bros-dc-batgirl-movie/

Andrew NDB
02-27-2018, 10:56 AM
Just pull the plug on this. Jesus christ...

CyberCubed
02-27-2018, 11:27 AM
Of course, they're likely going to reboot the movie universe anyway.

Gal Gadot is also already 32, by the time Wonder Woman 2 comes out she'll be 33...I can see maybe one more movie out of her at best. By the time she gets close to 40 she'll be deemed "too old" to continue playing the character and they'll probably recast.

Also keep in mind Wonder Woman is not supposed to age like normal humans anyway, it'll seem weird if they keep Gal Gadot who will look older in real life when Diana is not supposed to age as rapidly as humans.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
02-27-2018, 11:34 AM
Cancel the DCEU and create a Batman EU. Let the Russo Brothers and Patty Jenkins run it after Avengers 4 is over.

Andrew NDB
02-27-2018, 11:37 AM
Cancel the DCEU and create a Batman EU.

Not the worst idea ever, really. Reset and build up the Bat-verse with a somewhat younger Batman... then little by little introduce characters like Superman and Wonder Woman, then do their series, then eventually circle around with a proper Justice League movie. By this point your younger Batman will now be older than everyone being brought in, so it all works out.

Krutch
02-27-2018, 11:46 AM
Cancel Flashpoint, release Aquaman and WW2 as is since they're already in production, and begin shooting Booster Gold. Show Booster traveling through all the DCEU movies poking fun at how bad things have gotten and how its all his fault. The movie ends with him "fixing" his mistake and resetting the DCEU to be something more familiar to general audiences. Then wait to see if the response warrants continuing in this new established universe or treat it as a final chapter and reboot. Boom.

Andrew NDB
02-27-2018, 11:48 AM
Cancel Flashpoint, release Aquaman and WW2 as is since they're already in production, and begin shooting Booster Gold. Show Booster traveling through all the DCEU movies poking fun at how bad things have gotten and how its all his fault. The movie ends with him "fixing" his mistake and resetting the DCEU to be something more familiar to general audiences. Then wait to see if the response warrants continuing in this new established universe or treat it as a final chapter and reboot. Boom.

I would say, "Then why not just let Flashpoint do that, then?" but I really don't care anymore. Like, I really, really don't care.

It's been 5 years since "Man of Steel." There hasn't even been a Man of Steel 2 or a Batman 1 yet, or so much as a script for either... they're doing it wrong. A lot of people need to be fired.

Krutch
02-27-2018, 11:53 AM
I would say, "Then why not just let Flashpoint do that, then?" but I really don't care anymore. Like, I really, really don't care.

It's been 5 years since "Man of Steel." There hasn't even been a Man of Steel 2 or a Batman 1 yet, or so much as a script for either... they're doing it wrong. A lot of people need to be fired.

Agree on all accounts.

The reason I say go with Booster Gold instead of Flashpoint though is it seems stupid to waste Flashpoint on the first Flash movie. Plus with Booster you can have more of a tongue in cheek approach to poking fun on how WB has handled their past movies. Even to the point of Booster flying by the rooftop BVS showdown and shouting "His mother's name is Marthaaaa!"

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
02-27-2018, 12:38 PM
Not the worst idea ever, really. Reset and build up the Bat-verse with a somewhat younger Batman... then little by little introduce characters like Superman and Wonder Woman, then do their series, then eventually circle around with a proper Justice League movie.

If nothing else, Batman is a solid moneymaker. Audiences love us some Batman.

myconius
02-28-2018, 01:10 PM
Cancel the DCEU and create a Batman EU. Let the Russo Brothers and Patty Jenkins run it after Avengers 4 is over.

Not the worst idea ever, really. Reset and build up the Bat-verse with a somewhat younger Batman... then little by little introduce characters like Superman and Wonder Woman, then do their series, then eventually circle around with a proper Justice League movie.

If nothing else, Batman is a solid moneymaker. Audiences love us some Batman.

building their movie universe off a strong Batman solo film series would have been their best bet.

what other DC character sells as many comics per month as Batman?


i wonder if Geoff Johns and his contempt for the character had any part in this long a wait for another solo Batman film?

plastroncafe
02-28-2018, 01:12 PM
If nothing else, Batman is a solid moneymaker. Audiences love us some Batman.

I think at this point it'd depend on Which Batman, because they haven't all been great.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
02-28-2018, 01:35 PM
I think at this point it'd depend on Which Batman, because they haven't all been great.

They can always recast. I'm not speaking re: any particular actor, I'm speaking of the brand itself.

Still the top DC character in terms of merch and comics sales, I believe...

Andrew NDB
02-28-2018, 01:40 PM
Still the top DC character in terms of merch and comics sales, I believe...

It's probably the top selling character, period. Of any brand, ever.

CyberCubed
02-28-2018, 01:55 PM
Bruce Wayne/Batman is one of the easiest cast superheroes ever, simply because there's already been so many actors cast as him.

All you need is a white guy with short black hair, and be reasonably tall and look rich. That's all you need.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
02-28-2018, 02:42 PM
It's probably the top selling character, period. Of any brand, ever.

Well, Mickey Mouse could give him a run for his money, maybe. But yeah... Batman is king of commerce. Superman and Spiderman vying for the top three, although since the MCU happened, they might have some competition...

Andrew NDB
02-28-2018, 03:07 PM
Well, Mickey Mouse could give him a run for his money, maybe.

These days, though? Kids don't even know who Mickey or Goofy are anymore.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
02-28-2018, 03:26 PM
These days, though? Kids don't even know who Mickey or Goofy are anymore.

Eh, they know them as some of the mascots from Disneyland/Disneyworld, don't they?

Shark_Blade
02-28-2018, 03:28 PM
These days, though? Kids don't even know who Mickey or Goofy are anymore.

If they play Kingdom Heart games, they would.

Andrew NDB
02-28-2018, 03:36 PM
Eh, they know them as some of the mascots from Disneyland/Disneyworld, don't they?

The lucky ones who get to go there, sure.

If they play Kingdom Heart games, they would.

It's been 13 years since Kingdom Hearts 2. That's like 2, 3 generations of little kids.

Shark_Blade
02-28-2018, 04:55 PM
They recently reissued the remaster versions on PS4. And there's gonna be a new one (KH3) this year. :tlove:

myconius
02-28-2018, 04:56 PM
Bruce Wayne/Batman is one of the easiest cast superheroes ever, simply because there's already been so many actors cast as him.

All you need is a white guy with short black hair, and be reasonably tall and look rich. That's all you need.

i'm sure that's exactly what they were thinking when they cast Clooney. :lol:

plastroncafe
02-28-2018, 05:04 PM
i'm sure that's exactly what they were thinking when they cast Clooney. :lol:

Of all of the Batmen, he's the one I felt looked the most like a Live Action Bruce Wayne.

So it's a shame that his was less than stellar movie.

CyberCubed
02-28-2018, 05:07 PM
George Clooney started going gray when he was like 30. I always thought he was like 10 years older than he was.

Except nowadays he really is almost 60....but he looked old when he was only 30-40.

Shark_Blade
02-28-2018, 05:22 PM
Of all of the Batmen, he's the one I felt looked the most like a Live Action Bruce Wayne.

So it's a shame that his was less than stellar movie.

Whaaa... Clooney's too skinny. Ben Affleck is da real BW tbh. Hulking bulky muscles mass and broody expression.

MikeandRaph87
02-28-2018, 05:32 PM
i'm sure that's exactly what they were thinking when they cast Clooney. :lol:

I am surprised Val Kilmer did not reprise the role. He got another movie role offer and was unavailable? Or is there more to it? He was the best Batman of any to this day. Granted Christian Bale got Bruce Wayne better than anyone(minus the silly for plot Talia seduction that was the script's fault). Also, what about one actor play Batman and another play Batman or would that not work? I just mean on how well one actor did as Batman yet another who has the laughable "bat voice" had the arguably best Bruce Wayne.

plastroncafe
02-28-2018, 05:42 PM
Whaaa... Clooney's too skinny. Ben Affleck is da real BW tbh. Hulking bulky muscles mass and broody expression.

I wouldn't know, I've never seen his Batman, but...I'm not as invested in a beefcake Bats as I am in one that actually looks like he'd be lithe enough to move how he's supposed to move.

But you're right, Clooney doesn't really brood so much as he smolders.

myconius
02-28-2018, 06:00 PM
Of all of the Batmen, he's the one I felt looked the most like a Live Action Bruce Wayne.

So it's a shame that his was less than stellar movie.

when i heard he was cast, i'd really thought appearance-wise he would have made a good Bruce Wayne.
i left the movie theatre in SHOCK. :teek: :lol:

Whaaa... Clooney's too skinny.

too skinny? Michael Keaton wasn't exactly Mr. Mr. Olympia.

Ben Affleck is da real BW tbh. Hulking bulky muscles mass and broody expression.

i think you may be right!
https://i.imgur.com/nH7OCuZ.jpg

I am surprised Val Kilmer did not reprise the role. He got another movie role offer and was unavailable? Or is there more to it? He was the best Batman of any to this day. Granted Christian Bale got Bruce Wayne better than anyone(minus the silly for plot Talia seduction that was the script's fault). Also, what about one actor play Batman and another play Batman or would that not work? I just mean on how well one actor did as Batman yet another who has the laughable "bat voice" had the arguably best Bruce Wayne.

script writing aside, i feel Christian Bale was the best choice to date.
i believe i'd heard Kilmer was disappointed at the tone of the film, and chose not to reprise the roll.

he chose wisely!

Andrew NDB
02-28-2018, 06:42 PM
I am surprised Val Kilmer did not reprise the role. He got another movie role offer and was unavailable? Or is there more to it?

He didn't like the B&R script. Smartest thing he's ever done.

Shark_Blade
02-28-2018, 08:02 PM
Val Kilmer wasn't called for Batman & Robin. It's in the special features interview (blu Ray), probably on YouTube now.

Sumac
02-28-2018, 09:24 PM
These days, though? Kids don't even know who Mickey or Goofy are anymore.
Stahp!
Goofy, I give you, but Mickey - he is certainly well known, even if only as a mascot.

sdp
02-28-2018, 09:32 PM
I only ever knew Mickey and the gang as mascots, I don't think there was any cartoon or movie while I was growing up that featured them and yet they were super iconic to me.

Mickey makes a lot more money than you may think through merchandising.