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Yabuturtle
04-15-2017, 08:20 PM
It seems to imply that the 1987 and 2012 tmnt shows are linked, if this Krang is supposed to be the same Krang was saw in the 80s. While he was portrayed accurately for the most part, I felt something was missing

In the 80s he said he was banished, and it seems like the Kraang banished him, but they did it because he was incompetent.

Does anyone find that strange? I know that once in a blue moon when Krang did fight, he could be a push over, but most of the time, he was pretty dangerous, especially when he grew into a giant. I don't see how he was a screw up, because if you think about it, most of Krang's plans would have worked and he would have destroyed the Turtles already if it wasn't for Bebop and Rocksteady's incompetence, or Shredder's obsession with revenge against the turtles.

I felt like his origin could have been different.

He could still be a cousin to Kraang Subprime. I feel as if he looked different from all the other Kraang because he was a different breed of Utrom. Kraang Subprime would convince Krang to work with Kraang Prime. Knowing how power hungry is, Krang joins and he and Subprime are the only Utrom to willingly join the Kraang

However while Subprime is fanatical about his loyalty to Prime, Krang himself starts to see that it is dumb to follow orders all the time and tries to convince Subprime to betray Prime. Subrime is too fanatical and loyal to betray Prime, thinking things are better off to follow the most powerful Utrom, while Krang sees that he can be a better ruler than all of them, and disagrees with Subprime, thinking Prime should not be the ruler of all the Kraang

Krang secretly collaborates with the alien Drakus to build his own version of the Technodrome, as well as mutagen to make his own versions of Rock Soldiers. Subrprime sees this and they fight, to which Krang is defeated, his android body destroyed and banished to Earth after being deemed a great threat

I feel that this would have been a better origin. It would have shown that Krang was more dangerous than one originally thought, and he would be the only Utrom that's both an enemy to the Utrom and the Kraang.

oldmanwinters
04-15-2017, 08:29 PM
I have a hard time retroactively reading the Nick explanation back onto the Fred Wolf continuity, but hey, that show would change its laws and logic at the whim of a different writer... or even the same writer in David Wise's case!

And then there's this theory:
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FredWolfLeonardo
04-15-2017, 09:16 PM
I think thats exactly what happened, but Kraang Subprime spread around the lie that his cousin was stupid and incompetent to make him look bad

Powder
04-15-2017, 09:23 PM
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Yabuturtle
04-15-2017, 09:36 PM
I think thats exactly what happened, but Kraang Subprime spread around the lie that his cousin was stupid and incompetent to make him look bad

I feel it makes sense that they would banish him because he was a threat. I wasn't sure if Krang was actually from an alternate Dimension X or this Dimension X is supposed to be the same one as the 80s show. And since it seems to be, why else would he have his own technodrome and his own rock soldiers. It makes it seem like he defected against the Kraang in order to have his own army, since the Kraang have their rock soldiers and their own technodrome, too.

Krang amassed a pretty big army and was well known by many to be a ruthless warlord. No way that someone so incompetent would have such a large empire and it doesn't seem like he was doing this for the Kraang but for himself, which means he must have betrayed the Kraang at some point Maybe General Traag and the others were actually carrying on the fight and fighting other Kraang while the Neutrinos were caught in the crossfire.

FredWolfLeonardo
04-15-2017, 09:45 PM
I feel it makes sense that they would banish him because he was a threat. I wasn't sure if Krang was actually from an alternate Dimension X or this Dimension X is supposed to be the same one as the 80s show. And since it seems to be, why else would he have his own technodrome and his own rock soldiers. It makes it seem like he defected against the Kraang in order to have his own army, since the Kraang have their rock soldiers and their own technodrome, too.

Krang amassed a pretty big army and was well known by many to be a ruthless warlord. No way that someone so incompetent would have such a large empire and it doesn't seem like he was doing this for the Kraang but for himself, which means he must have betrayed the Kraang at some point Maybe General Traag and the others were actually carrying on the fight and fighting other Kraang while the Neutrinos were caught in the crossfire.

Makes sense considering the fact that the rock soldiers didn't appear too often in the original series, since they were mostly busy out there in Dimension X fighting the Kraang, Neutrinos, other races etc.

Krang's army sounds much more dangerous than the kraangs, id say the only reason Krang was defeated and banished was because the Kraang hivemind was far bigger than Krangs rocksoldier army (having thousands of technodrome), so big infact that they were able to fight off the triceraton empire.

Unrelated to the main thread, but what do you think of the 87 amd 2012 triceratons? Could they be related? Both versions refer to their factions as "the Triceraton empire", have an eerily similar plan involving a device (the stargate amd blackhole generator) and their universes are linked through the backstory of Krang.

Yabuturtle
04-16-2017, 06:39 AM
Makes sense considering the fact that the rock soldiers didn't appear too often in the original series, since they were mostly busy out there in Dimension X fighting the Kraang, Neutrinos, other races etc.

Krang's army sounds much more dangerous than the kraangs, id say the only reason Krang was defeated and banished was because the Kraang hivemind was far bigger than Krangs rocksoldier army (having thousands of technodrome), so big infact that they were able to fight off the triceraton empire.

Unrelated to the main thread, but what do you think of the 87 amd 2012 triceratons? Could they be related? Both versions refer to their factions as "the Triceraton empire", have an eerily similar plan involving a device (the stargate amd blackhole generator) and their universes are linked through the backstory of Krang.

I think that is who they were fighting as well. Neutrinos were pretty peaceful and were caught in the crossfire. They never specified who they were at war with in the 80s too. Just that the dimension x was a place of total war and it was being carried on after he was banished. I would have loved to see the rock soldiers right against the Kraang and other rock soldiers.

It just always made sense to be and seems to be the only reason why Krang has his own version of the Technodrome and his own Rock Soldiers. Knowing how sneaky Krang is, and that he doesn't like to share credit normally, he must have betrayed the Kraang. Krang doesn't seem to willingly go along with others unless it is to his advantage and since he doesn't normally like team ups, he will dispose of them if they are of no use or are a threat to his plans. Him betraying the Kraang seems pretty in character of Krang. It also would have made him the only Utrom that was against both the other Utrom and Kraang and it would have been an interesting rivalry between him and his cousin Subprime.

I think is the only one he wanted to work with because they are family, and wanted to convince him to leave Prime so they can work together, but Subprime was too loyal and too much of a fanatic to betray Prime, which would be an interesting rivalry between the two and so Krang went alone and tried to rule everything by himself.

It is an interesting question, as the writers were either inspired by that episode or those Triceratons are the same ones in the 80s toon. Wondering if they went to 2D earth at some point in time. They seemed to have the same kind of goals and personality as well for the most part.

FredWolfLeonardo
04-16-2017, 07:06 AM
When the Triceratons first appeared in the 2k12 toon, it immediately got me thinking of the 87 versions. Since its heavily implied that both versions share the same Dimension X and that Krang was retconned to be a member of the Kraang, I think its also possible that the Triceratons from both shows are the same.

It could've gone like this:

After the destruction of their homeworld at the hands of the Kraang, the Triceratons attempted to re-colonize themselves and destroy their enemies at the same time. They made a plan where they would use two devices, the stargate generator and the blackhole generator for two different purposes. The stargate generator was built for transporting a planet into Dimension X while the Blackhole generator had the capability of destroying an entire planet.

In their quest for searching a planet, the triceratons settled on earth because of their dislike for humans, whom they saw as worthy of punishment due to their arrogance, disregard for the environment and so on. When they discovered that 3D Earth was inhabited by Kraang, they saw this as a perfect opportunity to wipe out both the Kraang and humans while 2D earth would be transported to Dimension X where humans would be used as slave labour

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
04-16-2017, 07:07 AM
Makes sense considering the fact that the rock soldiers didn't appear too often in the original series, since they were mostly busy out there in Dimension X fighting the Kraang, Neutrinos, other races etc.

Krang's army sounds much more dangerous than the kraangs, id say the only reason Krang was defeated and banished was because the Kraang hivemind was far bigger than Krangs rocksoldier army (having thousands of technodrome), so big infact that they were able to fight off the triceraton empire.

Unrelated to the main thread, but what do you think of the 87 amd 2012 triceratons? Could they be related? Both versions refer to their factions as "the Triceraton empire", have an eerily similar plan involving a device (the stargate amd blackhole generator) and their universes are linked through the backstory of Krang.

Makes sense, since they could stand oxygen. The Triceraton homeworlds in the original series are located in another part of the Milky Way Galaxy, since they said they would open the stargate and wait for the Earth's orbit to carry Earth through the statgate, immediately transporting it across the galaxy. But maybe they ended up there after escaping Dimension X?

Yabuturtle
04-16-2017, 09:14 PM
I always liked Krang's designs. I do feel that it would have been cool too if he had his IDW design. There he has more than two tentacles, just like the Kraang, too and his mouth is different as well as the color of his skin. Personally I would have liked it if he had his IDW body and the Turtles Forever version of the Technodrome.

Still though I like the original design. I think it would have been cool to hear the dialogue between Krang and Subprime, with both of them trying to convince the other to join.

I do wonder why Krang is the only Utrom that looks different from all of the others. We never see any other Utrom that looks like that, except in The Four Muskaturtles, which means he' either a mutant Utrom or a different breed of Utrom

I wonder if he could have taken down Prime by himself. Perhaps that was also one of the reasons why he invented the Molecular Amplification chip so he can grow into a giant and take down Prime by himself, since Prime is also a giant.

And it's strange seeing how he was listening to Subprime in TT. I don't know why he didn't just squash Subprime. I don't recall Subprime ever changing his size.

FredWolfLeonardo
04-16-2017, 10:03 PM
I think the chip he had in TT was given to him by Subprime along with the Kraang portal but Subprime wouldnt be foolish enough to give him a chip that was undefeatable like in the 87 episodes. Since 8 turtles were able to take him down, Subprime would also probably be able to take down King Kong Krang using the Kraang army in case he was double crossed.

The chip in TT is very powerful, but much smaller and weaker than the one in the original series. It was King Kong sized rather than Godzilla sized and was still defeatable in a direct fight despite holding its own against both the 80s and the 2k12 turtles. Atleast it was still threatening respectable unlike the one in Turtles Forever which was pure trash.

Yabuturtle
04-16-2017, 10:39 PM
I think the chip he had in TT was given to him by Subprime along with the Kraang portal but Subprime wouldnt be foolish enough to give him a chip that was undefeatable like in the 87 episodes. Since 8 turtles were able to take him down, Subprime would also probably be able to take down King Kong Krang using the Kraang army in case he was double crossed.

The chip in TT is very powerful, but much smaller and weaker than the one in the original series. It was King Kong sized rather than Godzilla sized and was still defeatable in a direct fight despite holding its own against both the 80s and the 2k12 turtles. Atleast it was still threatening respectable unlike the one in Turtles Forever which was pure trash.

Strangely enough the one in Turtles Forever looked bigger but was taken down quicker. I know Chrell is a good fighter, but Krang was taken down way too easily. But pretty much everyone in the 80s show was taken down easily.

He did seem bigger in the 80s, roughly the size of Kraang Prime to me. I would think that's why he made that chip. He didn't need it for the Turtles so much or against Shredder, since he was more powerful and more intelligent than Shredder already as well as the Turtles. Krang was a guy who very rarely fought in direct combat. He probably invented it because he knew he wouldn't be able to beat Kraang Prime unless he got that chip to work.

I'm guessing he wanted the Rock Soldiers to take over Earth so he could more easily rule Dimension X. That and combined with the resources of Earth and the foot soldiers, he would use it for his base, so he could stand a better chance against the Kraang this time. The guys who banished him

In TT, he seem overjoyed that the Kraang was letting him go home. To me, I would think that Krang would be more resentful against the Kraang for destroying his body and banishing him, especially against his cousin, and you'd think he'd want to go against them. This is the reason why I wish he was an enemy to the Kraang instead.

With him having his own version of Rock Soldiers, his own Technodrome, the fact that he was banished by the Kraang from Dimension X and he was making a chip to expand his size, it kind of made it seem like they were originally going to have Krang betray the Kraang and be an enemy to the Kraang and Subprime as well as the Turtles, but made some last minute changes, and did sort of a "Turtles Forever" move and label Krang somewhat stupid and incompetent.

Andrew NDB
04-16-2017, 10:59 PM
It seems to imply that the 1987 and 2012 tmnt shows are linked, if this Krang is supposed to be the same Krang was saw in the 80s. While he was portrayed accurately for the most part, I felt something was missing

In the 80s he said he was banished, and it seems like the Kraang banished him, but they did it because he was incompetent.

Does anyone find that strange? I know that once in a blue moon when Krang did fight, he could be a push over, but most of the time, he was pretty dangerous

Who did he ever kill, that we saw?

Nobody.

Yabuturtle
04-16-2017, 11:10 PM
Who did he ever kill, that we saw?

Nobody.

Oh gee, I don't know. How about Beserko's home world?

You probably forgot about that. That's fine, quite a few did. But if you mean personally kill on tv, than no. But you know this is a kid's show right? They're not going to show someone get killed, especially back then.

Krang amassed an entire empire and ruled quite a large portion of Dimension X. You can't tell me he didn't do that without slaughtering billions, possibly trillions of people. Krang was quite competent and most of his plans would have worked. He could have destroyed the Turtles long ago without the interference of Bebop and Rocksteady and even Shredder.

Utrommaniac
04-16-2017, 11:10 PM
They can only ever say, not do.

Especially considering that he destroyed an entire planet just to keep one guy's family from chasing him.

Andrew NDB
04-16-2017, 11:12 PM
Krang amassed an entire empire and ruled quite a large portion of Dimension X. You can't tell me he didn't do that without slaughtering billions, possibly trillions of people. Krang was quite competent and most of his plans would have worked. He could have destroyed the Turtles long ago without the interference of Bebop and Rocksteady and even Shredder.

"Show, don't tell," is the adage. What did we ever see him do in real-time on the show, even if "off camera"? To establish him as this big threat?

FredWolfLeonardo
04-16-2017, 11:24 PM
"Show, don't tell," is the adage. What did we ever see him do in real-time on the show, even if "off camera"? To establish him as this big threat?

The Neutrinos in season One did tell the turtles about how Krang had billions of Rock soldiers and was a feared warlord across Dimension X. They looked miserable as their home planet was nothing but pure war and waste.

The Rock soldiers were shown to be fanatically loyal to him and the episode "Shredder and Splintered" showed a lot of them ready to attack from Dimension X in the hundreds, if not thousands. The turtles had enough trouble defeating Traag alone, so imagine Traag times a billion.

He and the other characters acknowledged how his body was practically invincible when it was enlarged to the size of Godzilla, towering over skyscrapers and destroying them with ease. Infact, this stayed true till the very last episode, where Krang's android body defeated Giant Lord Dregg with his powerful exoskeleton and the power of five of the galaxy's most powerful aliens multiplied a hundred fold.

The technodrome, when it moved, was a giant threat that could destroy skyscrapers/bridges and do other things like not be phased by hundreds of rockets from army tanks. It also survived extremely rough conditions like the Arctic and the Earth's core and the turtles were aware that not stopping it would result in the destruction of the entire city and the conquering of the entire planet whose combined armies would stand no chance.

Albeit offscreen, Krang did destroy Beserko's entire home planet, slaughtering all of his relatives ruthlessly.

In "Wrath of the Rat King", we see how Krang's weapon by divine right, the shockwave, was capable of destroying entire buildings in a single blast.

Krang almost had Baxter killed on-screen, if it wasn't for the fly mutating him instead. Baxter's screams and Krang's intent speaks for itself.

In "Shredder Triumphant", Krang swapped his android body's hands for an axe and threatened to butcher Splinter.

Yabuturtle
04-16-2017, 11:26 PM
"Show, don't tell," is the adage. What did we ever see him do in real-time on the show, even if "off camera"? To establish him as this big threat?

We know a lot of his plans would have worked were it not for interference. It's difficult to pin point exactly what he's done personally since the Technodrome is usually in a powered down state and Krang himself rarely fights. They stood no chance against him when he was a giant and they had to shrink him down. In the Season 3 finale, he was a couple minutes away from destroying multiple cities on Earth.

There was the time in Cyber Turtles where he actually got the Firestar and nearly merged the universe with Dimension X. If that happened, his whole army would have laid waste to the Earth.

Andrew NDB
04-16-2017, 11:27 PM
"Show, don't tell," is the adage. What did we ever see him do in real-time on the show, even if "off camera"? To establish him as this big threat?

The Neutrinos in season One did tell the turtles about how

So... just tell? And not in real-time?

FredWolfLeonardo
04-16-2017, 11:38 PM
So... just tell? And not in real-time?

Not on screen for most but those things did happen and the character's reactions establish him as a big threat from the beginning. Go read my post again.

Andrew NDB
04-16-2017, 11:47 PM
Not on screen for most but those things did happen and the character's reactions establish him as a big threat from the beginning. Go read my post again.

Read mine. You can't point to one thing he did in real-time. Maybe smacking around some empty buildings, apparently?

Yabuturtle
04-17-2017, 12:01 AM
Read mine. You can't point to one thing he did in real-time. Maybe smacking around some empty buildings, apparently?

I don't really think it matters whether he did it in real time or not. It was already pretty well established that he was one of the most dangerous villains out there. He did destroy quite a few buildings in Shredder Triumphant, destroyed some mountains, smashed some when he turned into a giant, had that Impervioum Gem that made him invincible briefly, had the Firestar, took down the Turtles rather easily, even in a military robot and was defeated when Shredder caught him off guard in Turtles on Trial. His army would have destroyed everything if they fully entered through the portal in Shredder and Splintered.

He would have destroyed the Turtles long ago really. In the Archie Comics it's said that he had destroyed so many planets and civilizations. The only planet we know he destroyed for sure was Beserko's world, but knowing Krang, he probably destroyed way more.

FredWolfLeonardo
04-17-2017, 12:04 AM
Read mine. You can't point to one thing he did in real-time. Maybe smacking around some empty buildings, apparently?

I did, Baxter's execution was in real-time and Krang clearly came moments away from destroying the turtles with the intent to kill. Of course, its a kids show so it couldn't be done but the intent was there and it established that Krang was a pretty big threat. Broadcast standards wouldn't allow it, but many kids probably imagined Krang killing his enemies like a badass based on his threatening moments in the show, I know I did when I used to watch it regularly.

If you want a real-time moment where someone gets killed though by Krang (indirectly) then look at the last episode of the series, where his android body has a nuclear explosion and kills Lord Dregg in real time (we hear it) whose capabilities are nothing to scoff at, considering his power after absorbing the five most powerful aliens in the galaxy and multiplying their powers a hundred fold.

Andrew NDB
04-17-2017, 12:05 AM
I did, Baxter's execution was in real-time

Baxter died? If not, then it's an example of him being... incompetent.

If you want a real-time moment where someone gets killed though by Krang (indirectly) then look at the last episode of the series, where his android body has a nuclear explosion and kills Lord Dregg in real time (we hear it).

We know he is dead, for sure? We're sure Krang was successful?

FredWolfLeonardo
04-17-2017, 12:13 AM
We know he is dead, for sure? We're sure Krang was successful?

Yes, he's dead. That was the intent for the final episode of the series. There were no plans to create another season and that was the final closure.

Even if you want to argue against it due it not being on-screen, the odds are overwhelming that Dregg didn't survive an atomic level explosion by the most powerful creation in the show which showed feats of great strength time and time again.

Not to mention these were the Red Sky episodes, so its safe to assume that they'd be much more comfortable intending for a character to die during this era when things were darker (I never bluff)

Yabuturtle
04-17-2017, 12:14 AM
Not really incompetent. Just bad luck really, that a fly happened to have showed up. Although then again he didn't have to use that room to get rid of him, could have just shot him or had his rock soldiers shoot him, but he was intending to kill him. And it would have worked if the fly didn't end up being in the same room.

We don't see Dregg get killed, but the explosion would have. The android was roughly equal with Dregg who was absurdly powerful at that point, there was no way he could escape the androids grip, and he could not have survived such a powerful explosion at such close range. We hear the explosion too, if you listen carefully. And the fact we never see or hear Dregg again, and the creators intended to end the series this way, what with Splinter saying that his students are now his equals.

However I think Subprime was wrong to call his cousin incompetent, when Krang already had his empire and destroyed multiple worlds. Just never made sense to me. He actually might have had a body count that rivaled the Utrom Shredder.

Andrew NDB
04-17-2017, 12:23 AM
Even if you want to argue against it due it not being on-screen, the odds are overwhelming that Dregg didn't survive an atomic level explosion

Dregg is a normal mortal human being? Huh. I never knew that.

FredWolfLeonardo
04-17-2017, 12:25 AM
Dregg is a normal mortal human being?

No, but he's not Superman either.

Yabuturtle
04-17-2017, 12:29 AM
I think Krang was defeated too easily by Subprime when he was banished. Didn't even put up a fight. In turtles forever he tried to fight even if he got whacked away. At least in TT, he was a much more competent fighter.

If Krang is a different breed of Utrom, it would be nice to see other versions of these Utrom in the 2012 cartoon. And it would be interesting to see giant Krang against Kraang Prime

Interestingly enough Krang himself has hypnotizing powers, like Prime. Are there other Utrom that can hypnotize? That also might explain why Krang would betray the Kraang, if he feels he can control others through mind control.

They never specified his powers but it seems like the dumber the person it, the easier it is to control them. And it only lasts for 30 minutes though. Still it's interesting that he and Prime can hypnotize.

Andrew NDB
04-17-2017, 12:33 AM
No, but he's not Superman either.

Then there's been Red Sky episodes that have analyzed his power level and invulnerability, or lack thereof?

FredWolfLeonardo
04-17-2017, 12:42 AM
Then there's been Red Sky episodes that have analyzed his power level and invulnerability, or lack thereof?

Its kinda obvious that character's aren't generally immortal unless they specifically state it. This is not Looney Tunes where characters can survive with their eyes on their feet by default, characters have died in the OT and the default position for a character in that show is that they're mortal, that's why they go through conflicts in the first place. They survive in many cases because of plot armour due to it being a kids show, not because they have the capability to have a talking head after it has been blown off by Yosemite Sam.

If you want more specific examples though, Dregg fearing Doomquest and wailing when he's about to be trapped in an explosion/hit is a decent indicator that he's not immortal.

pferreira
04-20-2017, 10:06 AM
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:trazz:So...hang on...what you're saying is he likes making posts about Krang? :lol:

Yes, he's dead. That was the intent for the final episode of the series. There were no plans to create another season and that was the final closure. You're wasting your time with Andrew, he wants to rant but he doesn't want to listen.

"Show, don't tell," is the adage. What did we ever see him do in real-time on the show, even if "off camera"? To establish him as this big threat?I can't believe you're even asking this question. Krang is a war criminal, he has a giant armoured tank that can annihilate human life, he leads fleets of Rock Soldiers into conquering and destroying worlds, there are resistance groups setup to try and stop him but most are failing, how is he not a threat?!

Look I know you don't consider the Fred Wolf cartoon worthy in any way but you have to face facts: Krang was a threat! For that matter as was Bebop and Rocksteady, sorry to disappoint you there but it's true.

neatoman
04-20-2017, 11:45 AM
I can't believe you're even asking this question. Krang is a war criminal, he has a giant armoured tank that can annihilate human life, he leads fleets of Rock Soldiers into conquering and destroying worlds, there are resistance groups setup to try and stop him but most are failing, how is he not a threat?!

Look I know you don't consider the Fred Wolf cartoon worthy in any way but you have to face facts: Krang was a threat! For that matter as was Bebop and Rocksteady, sorry to disappoint you there but it's true.

He's not a threat because he is (literally) a spineless weakling, his "giant armoured tank" was nearly always stuck somewhere, quickly defeated when it wasn't and the "resistance groups" that we are teenage rebels who "resist" by not actively participating in a war. Not to mention his inability to even accomplish small goals.

It doesn't matter what we're told if it goes against what we actually see, for all we know Krang wasn't nearly as important in Dimension X as he.

Yabuturtle
04-20-2017, 12:37 PM
He's not a threat because he is (literally) a spineless weakling, his "giant armoured tank" was nearly always stuck somewhere, quickly defeated when it wasn't and the "resistance groups" that we are teenage rebels who "resist" by not actively participating in a war. Not to mention his inability to even accomplish small goals.

It doesn't matter what we're told if it goes against what we actually see, for all we know Krang wasn't nearly as important in Dimension X as he.

The technodrome rolled over buildings and mountains. They were never able to destroy it until way later. That's how powerful it was.

He's accomplished much if he was able to build one of the most formidable machines that can remain in good condition within lava, ice, water and even stuck in a black hole.

It's mostly Shredder and Bebop and Rocksteady that mess up his plans. He would have already ruled the world long ago. Especially in the season 3 finale where he was minutes away from having his Rock Soldiers destroying multiple cities.

I don't know why it has to matter whether we personally see him doing things or not. A guy who has a large army, has ruled quite a bit of territory and has destroyed planets, like Beserko's world, shows this guy is not incompetent. Just had to deal with incompetent people.

Yabuturtle
04-20-2017, 12:41 PM
I also find it odd that Krang isn't an enemy to Subprime. Shouldn't Krang be a little angry at the fact that his robot body was taken away from him and he was banished, and by his cousin no less? And it's because he's incompetent even though he's done things that are on the contrary? In the episode it's never explained why he has his own Technodrome and rock soldiers, but seeing as we put two and two together, with Krang not wanting to serve anyone, having his own army and being banished after conquering large territories of Dimension X, heavily implies he was banished because he was too much of a threat.

He was glad to be back and with his cousin but if you ask me, he should have been angry and resentful for being banished in the first place.

FredWolfLeonardo
04-22-2017, 03:18 AM
I also find it odd that Krang isn't an enemy to Subprime. Shouldn't Krang be a little angry at the fact that his robot body was taken away from him and he was banished, and by his cousin no less? And it's because he's incompetent even though he's done things that are on the contrary? In the episode it's never explained why he has his own Technodrome and rock soldiers, but seeing as we put two and two together, with Krang not wanting to serve anyone, having his own army and being banished after conquering large territories of Dimension X, heavily implies he was banished because he was too much of a threat.

He was glad to be back and with his cousin but if you ask me, he should have been angry and resentful for being banished in the first place.

Time to flex my theory muscle.

I found those things odd too at first and as a result, I did an analysis of all the FW episodes to determine when Transdimensional Turtles takes place. It had to be in a time which made sense of Krang's situation with the technodrome, his behaviour towards Subprime and his obsession with the Turtles. The final result I got was that the crossover takes place between the final season 7 episode "Shredder Triumphant" and the first episode of season 8 "Get Shredder".

Now let me explain:

1. In the crossover, Krang contacted Subprime because he wanted access to Dimension X. However, from the perspective of most of the original cartoon, this doesn't make sense since he always had access to Dimension X via the technodrome/Transdimensional portal. So it would logically follow that Krang would contact Subprime during a time when his access to Dimension X was cut off, and this would perfectly fit in with the time when Krang was on earth, seperated from the technodrome and thus, any means of dimensional travel.

2. Krang's behaviour towards Subprime would also then make sense, since Krang is stripped of his resources and the best way to get more is to act nice towards Subprime. If he doesn't act like a goody good, Subprime won't give him access to his technodrome in Dimension X and banish him again so Krang has to play by the rules if he is to be in power again. Krang was probably still angry and resentful from the inside because Subprime banished him before and stripped him off his mutant reptile body but he knew that showing his anger would only make things worse for him.

3. Krang's behaviour towards the turtles in the crossover seemed a little off when comparing it to him throughout most of the original series, but there have been moments where you can be argue he would become turtle obsessed. For e.g. After Shredder Triumphant, Krang is visibly upset and irritated at the fact that the turtles have not only defeated him, but completely cut him off from the technodrome which has never happened before. That, on top of the fact that Krang has been enduring defeats for 7 seasons makes it likely he finally snapped in Transdimensional Turtles and abandoned all of his goals in favour of destroying all the turtle realities. It can be compared to how Lord Dregg started out as a conquerer in season 9 who didn't care much about the turtles but by the end of season 10 was obsessed with the turtles to such an extent it led to his death.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
04-22-2017, 10:44 AM
Krang had problems with reaching Dimension X by late-season 3, before the Big-trilogy.

FredWolfLeonardo
04-22-2017, 12:10 PM
Krang had problems with reaching Dimension X by late-season 3, before the Big-trilogy.

True, but he still had the technodrome at that time, while during Transdimensional Turtles it was in Dimension X even when Krang was banished back to 2D Earth, leaving him without it.

I think it makes far more sense for Krang to ask Subprime for help when he had nothing after season 7, rather than during season 3 when he still believed he could succeed with nothing but the technodrome.

pferreira
04-27-2017, 02:40 PM
He's not a threat because he is (literally) a spineless weakling, his "giant armoured tank" was nearly always stuck somewhere, quickly defeated when it wasn't and the "resistance groups" that we are teenage rebels who "resist" by not actively participating in a war. Not to mention his inability to even accomplish small goals.

It doesn't matter what we're told if it goes against what we actually see, for all we know Krang wasn't nearly as important in Dimension X as he.

The technodrome rolled over buildings and mountains. They were never able to destroy it until way later. That's how powerful it was.

He's accomplished much if he was able to build one of the most formidable machines that can remain in good condition within lava, ice, water and even stuck in a black hole.

It's mostly Shredder and Bebop and Rocksteady that mess up his plans. He would have already ruled the world long ago. Especially in the season 3 finale where he was minutes away from having his Rock Soldiers destroying multiple cities.In response to these two different views I want to add that to be fair Krang stole the Technodrome. He never figured out how to really utilise it. Krang was making it up as he went along but yeah for what you say is a 'spineless weakling' he was a real threat inside a powerful robotic body, controlling a massive tank with an army behind him.

In regards to the whole "well if I can't see it on screen it didn't happen" argument sometimes what isn't seen makes someone a greater threat to the audience than what we do witness first hand.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
04-27-2017, 05:04 PM
In "Shredder Triumphant", Krang swapped his android body's hands for an axe and threatened to butcher Splinter.

Was that the only fight between Krang and Splinter?

FredWolfLeonardo
04-27-2017, 08:21 PM
Was that the only fight between Krang and Splinter?

Maybe, I don't recall any others besides the time they fought in the Super Turtles OVA.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-19-2017, 12:08 PM
while during Transdimensional Turtles it was in Dimension X even when Krang was banished back to 2D Earth, leaving him without it.

I think it makes far more sense for Krang to ask Subprime for help when he had nothing after season 7, rather than during season 3 when he still believed he could succeed with nothing but the technodrome.

But shouldn't Shredder from that series be there too (I know he'll appear)?

Utrommaniac
06-19-2017, 12:24 PM
I'd just assume he had sent Shredder on a pointless task to keep him busy, not wanting to be seen begging for help.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-19-2017, 12:29 PM
I'd just assume he had sent Shredder on a pointless task to keep him busy, not wanting to be seen begging for help.

If you count them as official, it rather think should be:
1). Divide and Conquer
2). Nickelodeon crossover
3). Turtles Forever (where Chrell rebuilds the Technodrome)