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Andrew NDB
04-28-2017, 11:32 AM
http://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Galactus-Marvel-Heroes-Towering-h1.jpg

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/guardians_of_the_galaxy/vol_2/kevin-feige-confirms-a-long-standing-rumor-about-stan-lee-in-the-marvel-cinematic-universe-a150692

The Watchers apparently appear in Guardians of the Galaxy 2... and they're Fantastic Four characters. I've long suspected Marvel had already struck a deal with Fox since Marvel signed off on Legion and the other new shows... all in the immediate aftermath of Fox's latest F4 flop. There was no reason in the world for Marvel to sign off on creating competitors to its own TV-verse unless they were getting something big back in return. Galactus alone could fuel Phases 4-6 if they wanted to, in a post-Thanos MCU.

Oh, and apparently Stan Lee plays the same character in all of the MCU, lol.

ZariusTwo
04-28-2017, 11:41 AM
I just saw Guardians 2 and can verify the Watchers appearing is true

The Fantastic Four are rumored to be reforming in the climax to Marvel's big Legacy one-shot due out in fall.

Andrew NDB
04-28-2017, 11:51 AM
The Fantastic Four are rumored to be reforming in the climax to Marvel's big Legacy one-shot due out in fall.

Which in itself is additional evidence to Marvel coming to an agreement with Fox over the Fantastic Four and its ancillary characters. Marvel pretty widely suppressed the X-Men and the Fantastic Four comics when it was clear that Fox wouldn't be playing nice with them and they didn't want their comics to "help" them out.

NinjaPug
04-28-2017, 12:03 PM
I'd love it but I don't buy it based on this. Getting approval to use the Watchers isn't the same as the characters you mentioned. This seems similar to Marvel working with Fox to obtain the rights to Ego from Fox for GOTG2. Do we even know for sure that Fox has full rights to the Watchers? I'm sure they have Uatu but the rest could be joint ownership like the Skrulls.

They didn't really agree to anything for Legion and the other X-Men show since Marvel is producing those shows in conjunction with Fox/FX.

ZariusTwo
04-28-2017, 12:18 PM
I'd love it but I don't buy it based on this. Getting approval to use the Watchers isn't the same as the characters you mentioned. This seems similar to Marvel working with Fox to obtain the rights to Ego from Fox for GOTG2. Do we even know for sure that Fox has full rights to the Watchers? I'm sure they have Uatu but the rest could be joint ownership like the Skrulls.

Well none of the Watchers in Guardians 2 are directly named, so there's that

ProphetofGanja
04-28-2017, 12:37 PM
Man oh man I hope this is the case. The Fantastic Four are one of my favorite Marvel properties. I love their classic comics but I recognize that translating them to a modern day setting such as the MCU would need to be done... carefully. I do have plenty of ideas of how it could be done, to strike a balance between the 60s comic camp and more modern sensibilities, so if this proves to be the case hopefully the writers do too. Fingers crossed

Coola Yagami
04-28-2017, 12:53 PM
I kinda feel the F4 have been burned so many times, they need to slowly cameo in another Marvel movie first to have the audience say 'now you see, THIS is how you portray the Thing' or whatever and then unleash their own movie. With Tony Stark. Lol.

Andrew NDB
04-28-2017, 12:57 PM
I kinda feel the F4 have been burned so many times, they need to slowly cameo in another Marvel movie first to have the audience say 'now you see, THIS is how you portray the Thing' or whatever and then unleash their own movie.

At a critical moment with Thanos, possibly. Then a Fantastic Four movie late into Phase 4.

sdp
04-28-2017, 07:22 PM
Before the MCU was ever a thing and Marvel Studios even made their fist film I had posted a theory in some forum online about how all the Stan Lee's in all the cameos were the same. It was not a very popular post but I liked it.

How does it make sense in the MCU, isn't Stan Lee Hugh Hefner in one of them? I really liked the fan theory that Stan Lee was the watcher that was posted on some blogs a while ago.

MikeandRaph87
04-28-2017, 07:42 PM
I just saw Guardians 2 and can verify the Watchers appearing is true

The Fantastic Four are rumored to be reforming in the climax to Marvel's big Legacy one-shot due out in fall.

What did you score an early viewing?

MsMarvelDuckie
04-28-2017, 08:24 PM
Oh gawds I hope tthis is true! Uatu in a MCU movie?! IF ONLY!!!

If true maybe one day we could get the FULL Phoenix Saga storyline- complete with Encron crystal, Shi'ar, and the actual Phoenix itself. Jean deserves better than that crap version from X-3.

sdp
04-28-2017, 08:58 PM
I'd prefer to see all these characters with the Fantastic Four but if we get them done right I guess I can live with it. I'd love to see more Fantastic Four rogues in film, they're so awesome. I'd love a Silver Surfer movie, even if it's just Fox copying what Marvel Studios does with their characters like what Sony seems to be doing with Venom.

DestronMirage22
04-28-2017, 10:49 PM
It would be a dream come true to see a good Fantastic Four movie set in the MCU. They've been some of my favorite superheroes since I was a little kid, and I've been hoping for years they'd get better film representation.

Here's hoping this comes to fruition.

Cryomancer
04-29-2017, 07:29 AM
Glad if true. Not having access to F4 villains especially sucks. I dunno if we "need" a MCU F4 movie, but I think they'd make decent supporting cast?

Bring on Namor and a proper Doom.

Vicky82
04-29-2017, 09:50 AM
What did you score an early viewing?

It released in the UK this week, I saw it today. :D

ProphetofGanja
06-13-2017, 06:38 PM
discussion (http://www.cbr.com/fantastic-four-movie-series-mcu-update/) on the film production/distribution rights for the Fantastic Four franchise

here's hoping Fox just sucks it up and lets the rights revert back to Marvel eventually

NinjaPug
06-20-2017, 02:27 PM
Rumor that Fox is developing another F4 movie with Reed and Sue's kids. Basically just another movie in order to keep the rights without having to do a full reboot.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/20/new-fantastic-four-movie-fox-kids-rumours/

DestronMirage22
06-20-2017, 04:06 PM
Rumor that Fox is developing another F4 movie with Reed and Sue's kids. Basically just another movie in order to keep the rights without having to do a full reboot.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/20/new-fantastic-four-movie-fox-kids-rumours/

http://cdn.slowrobot.com/62920142008105.jpg
God, when will they ever learn?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-20-2017, 04:23 PM
Rumor that Fox is developing another F4 movie with Reed and Sue's kids. Basically just another movie in order to keep the rights without having to do a full reboot.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/20/new-fantastic-four-movie-fox-kids-rumours/

If Fox still has the F4 rights, it's only to use their characters and concepts as bargaining chips to keep their more successful X-Men franchise afloat.

Andrew NDB
06-20-2017, 04:26 PM
Maybe they just gave Galactus and Surfer to Marvel?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-20-2017, 04:33 PM
Maybe they just gave Galactus and Surfer to Marvel?

The smart thing for Marvel to do is:

1) NOT just give away the TV rights for the X-Men for nothing (Legion, whatever the YA series is).

and 2) Get the villains back first. You can build new "phases" or storylines around Galactus, the Surfer, and Annihulus much easier than a bunch of superheroes everyone is burned out on.

GoldMutant
06-20-2017, 04:36 PM
*insert obligatory Fox sucks joke*

I don't see what Fox can do with the Fantastic Four at this point. They earned almost nothing with Fan4tastic. Honestly no point other than dangling the keys.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-20-2017, 04:40 PM
*insert obligatory Fox sucks joke*

I don't see what Fox can do with the Fantastic Four at this point. They earned almost nothing with Fan4tastic. Honestly no point other than dangling the keys.

A crappy movie and retained rights beats losing the rights, apparently.

Plus, when the X-Men franchise is still your #1 CBM offering, having some flunky properties to sell off piecemeal to keep your mutant movies going is good business.

Just look at Legion, Deadpool, and Logan. Look at all the movies Fox is going to produce in the next few years... Deadpool 2 and 3, X-Force, New Mutants, Dark Phoenix, X23...

The X-Men franchise isn't going away any time soon. Especially not with the Fantastic Four to take the fall whenever Marvel wants to play hardball.

Andrew NDB
06-20-2017, 04:53 PM
The smart thing for Marvel to do is:

1) NOT just give away the TV rights for the X-Men for nothing (Legion, whatever the YA series is).

and 2) Get the villains back first. You can build new "phases" or storylines around Galactus, the Surfer, and Annihulus much easier than a bunch of superheroes everyone is burned out on.

True. Marvel might not even necessarily "want" the Fantastic Four themselves back, not right now. But Galactus? Doom, maybe? You betcha.

NinjaPug
06-20-2017, 05:29 PM
Marvel didn't give away any TV rights to Fox. Marvel Television is producing and has a stake in both shows.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-20-2017, 06:01 PM
Marvel didn't give away any TV rights to Fox. Marvel Television is producing and has a stake in both shows.

To my understanding, Fox had the movie rights to the X-Men. NOT (explicitly) the TV rights, which were more dubious. If Marvel Studios (Disney) had wanted to do it, they could have probably killed Legion and Gifted or whatever it is before they even had scripts.

sdp
06-20-2017, 08:15 PM
I remember there was some legal trouble when there was a show called Mutant X that was based on mutants and Marvel but not X-Men, was that show even any good? Sounds interesting.


Making an animated Fantastic Four movie is a great sneaky way to keep the IP, since it's not live action it won't be compared and you could actually get an audience that may like the heroes. Sucks for us that want a real live action F4 film and Doom/Galactus and others in a movie but I don't see Fox letting it go so easily.

ZariusTwo
06-21-2017, 01:09 AM
I remember there was some legal trouble when there was a show called Mutant X that was based on mutants and Marvel but not X-Men, was that show even any good? Sounds interesting

It had John Shea in it [Lex from Lois and Clark], it had an interesting first season, but then the second became dragged down with standalone fillers and lost the attention of the audience, then one of the main characters abruptly left before the final season.

ProactiveMan
06-21-2017, 01:17 AM
True. Marvel might not even necessarily "want" the Fantastic Four themselves back, not right now. But Galactus? Doom, maybe? You betcha.

They could really use Doctor Doom. People know who he is for one thing - and by people I mean chuds like me who don't read Marvel comics. I had to look half of the MCU villains up, but Doom is iconic. For example, if it had have been Doctor Doom leering at the camera in the Avengers' post credit scene I would have been really excited, as opposed to thinking 'who's that purple geezer, and what's wrong with his face?'.

Same deal with Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - if they'd teased Galactus at the end, I would have exploded. Instead it's some dude called Adam?! I can see a guy called Adam at any bus stop, while Galactus is one of the coolest thing ever.

MsMarvelDuckie
06-21-2017, 11:07 AM
I believe the Adam mentioned in the end crefit scene is Adam Warlock who ironically is among the guardians of the Infinity Stones in Marvel canon. Not sure how he will fit in the movies but it is intriguing.

Candy Kappa
06-21-2017, 11:34 AM
Yeah, it's Adam Warlock that was mentioned in the mid-credits

Andrew NDB
06-21-2017, 12:08 PM
Like the "Ravagers," I don't think we'll be seeing Adam Warlock from Guardians of the Galaxy 2 in anything other than more Guardians of the Galaxy movies. We know he's not in the Infinity movies.

Candy Kappa
06-21-2017, 01:00 PM
Warlock will probably be a antagonist of sorts in Vol.3 (Maybe starting as Magus and turns good) before becoming a new member

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
06-21-2017, 01:10 PM
Warlock will probably be a antagonist of sorts in Vol.3 (Maybe starting as Magus and turns good) before becoming a new member

Seems likely.

We'll probably also be dealing with a bit of post-Thanos stuff with Nebula, either by her absence or her full membership as a Guardian.

And maybe some Rocket/Groot origins stuff? That'd be sweet. Or maybe that'll be a Rocket/Groot spinoff someday, like the comics...