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Mexiun
04-29-2017, 04:09 PM
Hello.

I don't post here often but i read daily, i love the Ninja Turtles since i was around 5 years old back in the 80's, loved everything about them.
And with that comes two questions.
I want to read the Mirage comic because i've never read it before.

My questions:

1- I know that Raphael's face is mutelated by some blast or something where he goes half blind and half his face is gone, and Donatello becomes a half cyborg. I really don't like this, it's honestly creeping me out, shocking (in a bad way) and weird to me... i love these characters to much for them to be mutelated permanetly(?). So is this a permanent thing or will they be cured?

2- How is the character interaction? Do they laugh together and have fun like in Archie or is it nothing but brooding seriousness? Do they interact with fun new characters like in Archie and IDW?

Thank you.

plastroncafe
04-29-2017, 04:13 PM
This is less a Mirage question than it is an Image one.
Image books are...a product of their time. They're not 100% GrimDark, but they're not a fanciful romp either.

Powder
04-29-2017, 04:19 PM
1. This regards "Volume 3" which was a run of comics produced by a team at Image comics. They were intended to be canon, a direct continuation of Mirage's work (leaving off with their own Volume 2). However when Pete created Vol. 4 he didn't acknowledge the events of those issues, instead making his stories take place a number of years later, so none of what occurred really effects the big picture.

For some, Volume 3 is held in high esteem, because of how gritty it is. I personally would highly reccommend seeing it through (it's only 25 issues or so, after all), if only for how it rounds out Casey & Michelangelo. But technically speaking, you could skip it altogether & not miss a beat.

2. There is tons of fun. They've gone to alien bars, costume parties, zombie hot rod races, traveled time, etc. The first few issues are a bit more serious, & others scattered throughout are as well, but the turtles crack jokes here & there & definitely have the brotherly vibe going on.

The first film faithfully adapted sizeable chunks of the earliest issues, so if you hold that movie near & dear, you'll like what you see.

neatoman
04-29-2017, 04:29 PM
Hello.

I don't post here often but i read daily, i love the Ninja Turtles since i was around 5 years old back in the 80's, loved everything about them.
And with that comes two questions.
I want to read the Mirage comic because i've never read it before.

My questions:

1- I know that Raphael's face is mutelated by some blast or something where he goes half blind and half his face is gone, and Donatello becomes a half cyborg. I really don't like this, it's honestly creeping me out, shocking (in a bad way) and weird to me... i love these characters to much for them to be mutelated permanetly(?). So is this a permanent thing or will they be cured?

2- How is the character interaction? Do they laugh together and have fun like in Archie or is it nothing but brooding seriousness? Do they interact with fun new characters like in Archie and IDW?

Thank you.


That's part of a non-canon 20-something issue series, so don't worry about it, it's never referenced again in the 100+ issues released afterwards.
There are lighter stories and they so meet "fun" characters, Renet for example.


Overall, it's not nearly as dark or serious as some people might make you think. It's just more violent than it's adaptations, it's still fairly goofy when you get right down to brass tax. The actual "dark" stuff is more like weirdly depressing stuff.

mrmaczaps
04-29-2017, 07:34 PM
Hello.

I don't post here often but i read daily, i love the Ninja Turtles since i was around 5 years old back in the 80's, loved everything about them.
And with that comes two questions.
I want to read the Mirage comic because i've never read it before.

My questions:

1- I know that Raphael's face is mutelated by some blast or something where he goes half blind and half his face is gone, and Donatello becomes a half cyborg. I really don't like this, it's honestly creeping me out, shocking (in a bad way) and weird to me... i love these characters to much for them to be mutelated permanetly(?). So is this a permanent thing or will they be cured?

2- How is the character interaction? Do they laugh together and have fun like in Archie or is it nothing but brooding seriousness? Do they interact with fun new characters like in Archie and IDW?

Thank you.


As someone who read and enjoyed nearly all the Mirage stuff, vol 3 fits nicely in the middle and once read, does not disappoint.... as long as younread the fan finale issues 24 & 25. These fan issues tie everything mostly up nice & neat just in time to kinda of tie in to where the Turtles are for volume four.

Like someone else above said, if you like the 1990 movie, the first 11 or so issues were the loose script/idea behind it.

There are some lighter stories, some time travel, the hot rodding stuff and some trippy stuff and then some really hard to read goofball stuff... Best way to read volume one is the 6 hardcover Eastman & Laird collected editions from IDW. Frkm there, also get the Zulli hardcover collection (I think its Zulli...) Soul's Trilogy I think its titled.

Vol 2 and the rest has not been collected as of yet.

If you are looking for any random issues from any of it, I have a halfway decent selection of books that fills out at least one issue of each volume. (Follow the link in my signature...)

The old stuff may not be considered "the best" but I find it far superior to the trade writing that is done with almost all of todays comics... knowing that a collection is coming has slowed things down too much and sometimes rushes it as well...

mrmaczaps
04-29-2017, 07:36 PM
Sorry for the double posting....

I also originally skipped volume 3, but then happened to get a couple issues for about cover price, read them and its not nearly as dark and grungy as some will say it is... the first four or so issues the creators working on the book are really trying to identify and get a feel for the brothers. The art is a bit off and sometimes distracting but they get into a groove and suddenly the series is over... its really too bad and I wish IDW would work on getting those guys back and allowing them to do a proper ending for v3.

DestronMirage22
04-29-2017, 10:18 PM
Seeing as others above me have answered your questions better than I probably could, I'll just give you some advice before you decide to jump into Mirage: this stuff can get expensive and hard to track down. The aforementioned Image series in particular can be expensive to collect, due to it's popularity and the print runs. People want it and won't let it go cheap. Same goes for Mirage; vol 4 issues are things people don't really want to part with and with the rarity of some of these issues can be expensive on the open market. And then there's the fact that a lot of these issues have never been rereleased or made into collections, leaving you to try to hunt down the original flopies to get the whole story.

I'm not trying to scare you off of Mirage or anything, just giving you a heads up. It might be a hassle getting into Mirage, but it's definitely worth it. :)

Mexiun
04-30-2017, 05:37 AM
Thanks for the answers! :)

I love the 1990 movie a lot and it has one of my favourite Shredder and Splinter in it, and seeing the Turtles being teenagers but at the same time adult is really nice aswell.
Infact i watched the 1990 movie with my girlfriend 3 days ago :lol:

And i don't mind the darker stuff of comics, like with IDW it has some very dark stories and serious tones and i enjoy that a lot, but i just didn't like seeing my favourite characters get mutilated like what happend to Raphael's face... that is beyond horrible and i grew up with these characters so it wasn't a nice sight at all.

But since Vol.03 is nothing but "filler" and Vol.04 forgets about anything Vol.03 did then that is good enough for me, no more Turtles losing limbs and eyes and stuff, that's disturbing :x :tcry:

Again thank you for the answers.
Sorry i can't reply to each of you individually because that will take a little too much time :lol:

mrmaczaps
04-30-2017, 05:58 AM
Thanks for the answers! :)

I love the 1990 movie a lot and it has one of my favourite Shredder and Splinter in it, and seeing the Turtles being teenagers but at the same time adult is really nice aswell.
Infact i watched the 1990 movie with my girlfriend 3 days ago :lol:

And i don't mind the darker stuff of comics, like with IDW it has some very dark stories and serious tones and i enjoy that a lot, but i just didn't like seeing my favourite characters get mutilated like what happend to Raphael's face... that is beyond horrible and i grew up with these characters so it wasn't a nice sight at all.

But since Vol.03 is nothing but "filler" and Vol.04 forgets about anything Vol.03 did then that is good enough for me, no more Turtles losing limbs and eyes and stuff, that's disturbing :x :tcry:

Again thank you for the answers.
Sorry i can't reply to each of you individually because that will take a little too much time :lol:

I wouldn't skip v3 because the Turtles get banged up... they all get healed in the end, at least in the fan made conclusion.

Price/cost to track it all down is a decent reason to not get into it, but don't let battle scars stop you from reading it if you can spare the funds to find them all. Image is a really great run. Its not filler at all and Laird only said its NOT cannon after the fact... like buyers regret when you pay too much for a book that you already had or sellers regret for selling off a book because you needed some cash... lol.

myconius
04-30-2017, 07:17 AM
Vol 2 and the rest has not been collected as of yet.


actually Vol 2 was collected in the final volumes of Tmnt classics series.

https://www.comixology.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Classics-Vol-8/digital-comic/95063

https://www.comixology.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Classics-Vol-9/digital-comic/176488

https://www.comixology.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Classics-Vol-10/digital-comic/235876

myconius
04-30-2017, 07:28 AM
Hello.

I don't post here often but i read daily, i love the Ninja Turtles since i was around 5 years old back in the 80's, loved everything about them.
And with that comes two questions.
I want to read the Mirage comic because i've never read it before.

My questions:

1- I know that Raphael's face is mutelated by some blast or something where he goes half blind and half his face is gone, and Donatello becomes a half cyborg. I really don't like this, it's honestly creeping me out, shocking (in a bad way) and weird to me... i love these characters to much for them to be mutelated permanetly(?). So is this a permanent thing or will they be cured?

2- How is the character interaction? Do they laugh together and have fun like in Archie or is it nothing but brooding seriousness? Do they interact with fun new characters like in Archie and IDW?

Thank you.


as far as getting into Ninja Turtle comics...

if you've never read them before, i'd say start with the classic early mirage stories.

https://www.comixology.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-The-Ultimate-B-W-Collection/comics-series/7951

^ they are pretty easily available in digital

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1613770073/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

https://www.amazon.com/dp/161377088X/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

https://www.amazon.com/dp/161377138X/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1613774966/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1613775539/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

^as well as print, (though much more affordable in digital)

but it's always best to look to where the Tmnt all first started. :)

Mexiun
04-30-2017, 07:56 AM
Thanks again! :)

I really want to get into the Mirage comic because that started it all and i've been a huge fan of the Ninja Turtles since i was a kid (i'm now 30 years old).
Read the Archie comics (and doing so again now), played the video games, watched the 90's trilogy, watched the 80's/90's cartoon.
My girlfriend even got me a Raphael figure this year :D

Can't wait to start reading the Mirage ones.
I'll look into it.

mrmaczaps
04-30-2017, 08:49 AM
actually Vol 2 was collected in the final volumes of Tmnt classics series.

https://www.comixology.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Classics-Vol-8/digital-comic/95063

https://www.comixology.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Classics-Vol-9/digital-comic/176488

https://www.comixology.com/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Classics-Vol-10/digital-comic/235876

Oh wow, thats cool. I hadn't seen that. Thanks.

myconius
04-30-2017, 12:58 PM
Oh wow, thats cool. I hadn't seen that. Thanks.

you're very welcome! :)

i picked up all the classics volumes during the last comixology digital sale, and was pleasantly surprised to find Mirage Vol. 2 hiding in there. :)


Thanks again! :)

I really want to get into the Mirage comic because that started it all and i've been a huge fan of the Ninja Turtles since i was a kid (i'm now 30 years old).
Read the Archie comics (and doing so again now), played the video games, watched the 90's trilogy, watched the 80's/90's cartoon.
My girlfriend even got me a Raphael figure this year :D

Can't wait to start reading the Mirage ones.
I'll look into it.

you're welcome!

the early Mirage comics are definitely a 'MUST check out' !!!

i love the IDW collected hardcovers as it has all the Eastman Laird issues, as well as containing foot notes from Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird after each issue. that's in both the digital and Hardcover copy.
the colorized 'Works' collection doesn't include this.

which Raph figure did your Girlfriend get you?

Mexiun
04-30-2017, 01:24 PM
you're very welcome! :)

i picked up all the classics volumes during the last comixology digital sale, and was pleasantly surprised to find Mirage Vol. 2 hiding in there. :)




you're welcome!

the early Mirage comics are definitely a 'MUST check out' !!!

i love the IDW collected hardcovers as it has all the Eastman Laird issues, as well as containing foot notes from Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird after each issue. that's in both the digital and Hardcover copy.
the colorized 'Works' collection doesn't include this.

which Raph figure did your Girlfriend get you?

I will deffinitly check it out, can't wait to start reading it but first i want to finish all of the Archie ones.

And she bought me the Classic 1990 movie Raphael figure.

http://www.toysrus.com/buy/movies-tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-classic-figure-collection-original-movie-raphael-91080-34158896

This one :)

Edit: While we're on the subject, does anyone know a good Ninja Turtle merchandise site that ships to the Netherlands?

myconius
04-30-2017, 01:33 PM
I will deffinitly check it out, can't wait to start reading it but first i want to finish all of the Archie ones.

let me know what you think about it when you do! :)
always curious to hear others thoughts on the original comics.

And she bought me the Classic 1990 movie Raphael figure.

http://www.toysrus.com/buy/movies-tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-classic-figure-collection-original-movie-raphael-91080-34158896

This one :)

AHHHH! very nice!!!
came close to almost buying a set of those guy a few times!!
and now they released the Neca movie turtles!!!!
i'll just have to keep pretending i never saw them :lol:

Mexiun
04-30-2017, 02:18 PM
let me know what you think about it when you do! :)
always curious to hear others thoughts on the original comics.



AHHHH! very nice!!!
came close to almost buying a set of those guy a few times!!
and now they released the Neca movie turtles!!!!
i'll just have to keep pretending i never saw them :lol:

I'll let you know when i read some issues, i'll post it on this topic.

Yeah the figure is really nice, i really enjoy seeing that figure.
She was asking me which Turtle was my favourite and i said Raphael and she then bought it :D

I'm also quite fond of the Funko ones, and there's this one Shredder figure from Gokin that looks amazing!

Also a question about the Mirage comic: Are there story arcs like in Archie and IDW or is it just a big storyline without arcs?
Not sure if they even did arcs back then :lol:

myconius
04-30-2017, 02:33 PM
Also a question about the Mirage comic: Are there story arcs like in Archie and IDW or is it just a big storyline without arcs?
Not sure if they even did arcs back then :lol:

there are actually some story-arcs within the original Mirage series, and it does have an overflowing continuity.

the first three issues are stand-alone stories, though the epilogue of issue #3 sets up their first continuing story arc.

after that they go back into some self contained single issue stories, then in the Leonardo Micro-Series sets up one of my all-time favorite Mirage arcs.

i won't go into heavy detail, but it's something i'm sure you'll really enjoy! :D

Powder
04-30-2017, 02:55 PM
For the record, Volume 3 isn't filler at all. Just because you can skip it without losing future plot point references, doesn't mean its filler.

Its version of Michelangelo is the single best one, hands down. It delivers on violence. The visual style is very noir-like at times.

myconius
04-30-2017, 03:04 PM
For the record, Volume 3 isn't filler at all. Just because you can skip it without losing future plot point references, doesn't mean its filler.

Its version of Michelangelo is the single best one, hands down. It delivers on violence. The visual style is very noir-like at times.

^ i really do have to agree with Powder on this.

i only wish Michelangelo could be written in the current IDW Tmnt comics as he was in the Image run.

also with the image run, i loved seeing Leonardo Astral Project his spirit searching for Donatello in the first story arc.

Powder
04-30-2017, 03:29 PM
There are a lot of very Mirage aspects to it, IMO.

mrmaczaps
04-30-2017, 06:18 PM
^ i really do have to agree with Powder on this.

i only wish Michelangelo could be written in the current IDW Tmnt comics as he was in the Image run.

also with the image run, i loved seeing Leonardo Astral Project his spirit searching for Donatello in the first story arc.

There are a lot of very Mirage aspects to it, IMO.

One of the reasons volume 3 is so good is because the guy writing had some comics storytelling skills. Not to say Mirage turtles were not well written as they progressed, just differently.

The Turtles were all fleshed out better. Leo, Don and Raph all got beatup quite well. Mikey branches out and becomes a writer.

Mikey is also not written like an idiot. Raph makes some character changes that make sense.

Splinter goes throuh some things... lol.

I very much wish these guys ould finish their story...

So many fans today are always saying how IDW is "the best", but I tell you what, read this volume as a whole and its so much more than the almost 70 primary issues of IDW...

And this is all ming from someone who did NOT want to read Image at first for the same reasons mentioned before of seeing the guys beat up as they are.

Mexiun
05-01-2017, 04:17 AM
And this is all ming from someone who did NOT want to read Image at first for the same reasons mentioned before of seeing the guys beat up as they are.

Yeah i never liked seeing heroes get permant damage, it always bugged me too much.

But hey i atleast want to start reading it now, i'm sure it's really good.

Peter Palmer
05-01-2017, 06:29 AM
I might be in the minority here, but the Image series did nothing for me. Mikey is written pretty well, but that's about it. If anyone read other comics of that era (the 90's), you'd see that the Image TMNT is just like 95% of the comics put out during this time. That means lots of guns, lasers, cyborgs, pouches, anti-heroes, and being edgy simply for the sake of being edgy. Most comics in that era were so "hardcore" and "extreme" because that's what was hot at the time, but it just comes off as cheesy in retrospect. Sure, the Mirage Turtles, especially the early stuff, showed the Turtles being pretty violent and brutal at times, but it felt like it was done with much more finesse whereas the Image stuff was done somewhat ham-handedly. As someone said, a product of its time.

As for Mirage volume 1, please understand that most of the issues were done by guest artists and writers and serve as self-contained stories that don't really affect the overall plot. My personal recommendation is to ignore them for now and for your first read-thru, go strictly with the main canon story arc.

Main story arc:
1, 2, 3, Raphael, 4, Fugitoid, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, Leonardo, 10, 11, 19, 20, 21, 48-62

There are some great stories outside of these issues (some rough ones too), but the above issues will get you the core story as plotted by Eastman & Laird.

Between issues 1 and 21, you'll see a lot of elements that were adapted for the 1990 movie. Enjoy!

DisKosh
05-01-2017, 07:44 AM
It's certainly darker than the cartoons but it's not nearly as dark or violent as some people say.

Having said that, I enjoyed most of them. The turtles' various injuries in volume 3 didn't bother me and to be honest, the emotional side is barely dealt with which makes it less disturbing.

The ones I didn't enjoy were the more light-hearted issues unless they had strong focus on kinship. My favourite writer is Victor Hugo so I enjoy the sadder parts of the story.

pferreira
05-04-2017, 10:24 AM
Vol 2 and the rest has not been collected as of yet.As another poster mentioned it has along with Volume 1. Volume 3 hasn't been collected yet neither has 4.

1- I know that Raphael's face is mutelated by some blast or something where he goes half blind and half his face is gone, and Donatello becomes a half cyborg. I really don't like this, it's honestly creeping me out, shocking (in a bad way) and weird to me... i love these characters to much for them to be mutelated permanetly(?). So is this a permanent thing or will they be cured?Yeah I get what you're saying. I feel the same way. Volume 3 does indeed seem like a strange parallel universe of Mirage. I still have to sit down and read it all.

Andrew NDB
05-04-2017, 10:41 AM
Yeah I get what you're saying. I feel the same way. Volume 3 does indeed seem like a strange parallel universe of Mirage. I still have to sit down and read it all.

They let you do that, where you're at?

Mexiun
05-07-2017, 07:15 AM
So far the Mirage comics are okay, some chapters are really good (not many to be honest) but most chapters are plain awful and seem like filler to me. Like the alien girl who randomly came to Earth and teleported the turtles to the medieval times with a demon obsessed with her sceptre. Then some issues later another random alien girl who happens to coincidentally come to Earth aswell arrived only to get followed by an evil queen and her weird alien henchmen. And then a weird pointless chapter with a time travelling 8 year old... where the turtles personalities weren't even correct most of the time.
Honestly i hope the comic gets more serious, i really don't like reading these "super hero parody" chapters, they're awful :ohwell:
I liked the first chapter and the Triceraton one (a little) and the 'shredder is back' chapters the most, the rest were 'meh' so far.

DestronMirage22
05-07-2017, 07:37 AM
So far the Mirage comics are okay, some chapters are really good (not many to be honest) but most chapters are plain awful and seem like filler to me. Like the alien girl who randomly came to Earth and teleported the turtles to the medieval times with a demon obsessed with her sceptre. Then some issues later another random alien girl who happens to coincidentally come to Earth aswell arrived only to get followed by an evil queen and her weird alien henchmen. And then a weird pointless chapter with a time travelling 8 year old... where the turtles personalities weren't even correct most of the time.
Honestly i hope the comic gets more serious, i really don't like reading these "super hero parody" chapters, they're awful :ohwell:
I liked the first chapter and the Triceraton one (a little) and the 'shredder is back' chapters the most, the rest were 'meh' so far.

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Whoah, never seen anyone describe those issues so harshly.
Those are classic issues, that most people remember fondly. Especially the one with Savanti Romero and Renet. Guess they're just not for everyone.
But why'd you have to insult poor Dale Evans Mcgillicutty? :cry:

mrmaczaps
05-07-2017, 07:48 AM
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Whoah, never seen anyone describe those issues so harshly.
Those are classic issues, that most people remember fondly. Especially the one with Savanti Romero and Renet. Guess they're just not for everyone.
But why'd you have to insult poor Dale Evans Mcgillicutty? :cry:

Dudes kind of harsh... I love those stories.. stuff with Renet makes me wish they really could have put her in the third original film which I kind of think is what they were toying with seeing as it involved time travel...

Guess you won't like TMNT V3 then dude. (The original post person...)

One thing to remember also about Mirage is that it doesn't suffer the timely month to month storytelling of most modern comics or even "trade waiting" story telling... Which is great. Some of the guest era is tough to read but not the issues you've described. Just wait til you get to the really weird issues... Hahaha

Mexiun
05-07-2017, 08:31 AM
Dudes kind of harsh... I love those stories.. stuff with Renet makes me wish they really could have put her in the third original film which I kind of think is what they were toying with seeing as it involved time travel...

Guess you won't like TMNT V3 then dude. (The original post person...)

One thing to remember also about Mirage is that it doesn't suffer the timely month to month storytelling of most modern comics or even "trade waiting" story telling... Which is great. Some of the guest era is tough to read but not the issues you've described. Just wait til you get to the really weird issues... Hahaha

Maybe it's harsh but it's honest, i really don't like those issues it just seems like filler to me, unless those alien women and villians come back eventually which i don't see happening.

So far the comic in general is good, i like the humour, action and the characters a lot.

Mexiun
05-07-2017, 08:33 AM
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Whoah, never seen anyone describe those issues so harshly.
Those are classic issues, that most people remember fondly. Especially the one with Savanti Romero and Renet. Guess they're just not for everyone.
But why'd you have to insult poor Dale Evans Mcgillicutty? :cry:

Just because it's classic doesn't mean they are good though, i mean the Michael Bay movies will eventually become classic too :lol:

myconius
05-07-2017, 08:58 AM
Just because it's classic doesn't mean they are good though, i mean the Michael Bay movies will eventually become classic too :lol:

WOW!
comparing the Classic Eastman/Laird Mirage Tmnt comics to the Michael Bay Tmnt films, is like going into a church and relieving one's self in the Holy Water! :lol:

i mean, to each their own.

"good" or "bad" is subjective.
i will admit some comics i've read an loved in the past just seem stupid or annoying upon attempted re-reads.

though i truly find i REALLY enjoy some of the early Eastman/Laird Mirage stories even MORE now than when i first read them many years ago.
they're not just "cool" stories that i find "neat-o".
i appreciate better just where they came from, and what the creators went through to bring them to life.

but as they say, one man's meat is another man's poison.


still though.... the Bay films becoming classics?????

i dunno....

.... i severely doubt that!!! :lol:

neatoman
05-07-2017, 09:03 AM
Maybe it's harsh but it's honest, i really don't like those issues it just seems like filler to me, unless those alien women and villians come back eventually which i don't see happening.

So far the comic in general is good, i like the humour, action and the characters a lot.

Just because it's classic doesn't mean they are good though, i mean the Michael Bay movies will eventually become classic too :lol:



The way you use the word "classic"...
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You haven't really given a reason as to why they're bad, just that they seem like filler. An example of something that's actively bad would be that FW episode where Shredder uses a machine to collect random turtles, that's just boring as tar (in my opinion, nearly all of FW is boring as tar but whatever, worst of the worst I guess). I can't think of anything that makes those issues particularily bad though.

Anyway, yes, those characters do come back.

DisKosh
05-07-2017, 10:53 AM
So far the Mirage comics are okay, some chapters are really good (not many to be honest) but most chapters are plain awful and seem like filler to me. Like the alien girl who randomly came to Earth and teleported the turtles to the medieval times with a demon obsessed with her sceptre. Then some issues later another random alien girl who happens to coincidentally come to Earth aswell arrived only to get followed by an evil queen and her weird alien henchmen. And then a weird pointless chapter with a time travelling 8 year old... where the turtles personalities weren't even correct most of the time.
Honestly i hope the comic gets more serious, i really don't like reading these "super hero parody" chapters, they're awful :ohwell:
I liked the first chapter and the Triceraton one (a little) and the 'shredder is back' chapters the most, the rest were 'meh' so far.

I see where you're coming from, to be honest, I'm not too keen on stories where characters travel back in time. I thought the Dale plotline had potential and some of it was quite fun but yeah, I can see why you didn't like it.

It could feel rather disjoined at times due to the amount of guest artists which in my opinion felt hit and miss but there are still some issues that stuck with me.

Also, I just want to state that just because I didn't enjoy a particular issue, it doesn't mean it's not good. I just love the plots that focus on character development and relationships between the characters.

Just because it's classic doesn't mean they are good though

So true, personally I think Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad is hugely overrated, yet it's still a classic.

Powder
05-07-2017, 01:39 PM
I don't think I like this guy. :tlol:

Peter Palmer
05-08-2017, 06:47 AM
So far the Mirage comics are okay, some chapters are really good (not many to be honest) but most chapters are plain awful and seem like filler to me. Like the alien girl who randomly came to Earth and teleported the turtles to the medieval times with a demon obsessed with her sceptre. Then some issues later another random alien girl who happens to coincidentally come to Earth aswell arrived only to get followed by an evil queen and her weird alien henchmen. And then a weird pointless chapter with a time travelling 8 year old... where the turtles personalities weren't even correct most of the time.
Honestly i hope the comic gets more serious, i really don't like reading these "super hero parody" chapters, they're awful :ohwell:
I liked the first chapter and the Triceraton one (a little) and the 'shredder is back' chapters the most, the rest were 'meh' so far.

You should have stuck to my reading list. If you're not liking the "filler issues", I doubt you'll have the endurance to make it all the way to issue 48 where the main story picks up again.

As luck would have it, I read issue 8 (Renet, Savanti, and Cerebus) just last week. You'll have a much better appreciation for it if you've read Cerebus at all. Cerebus was a source of inspiration that helped lead to the creation of the TMNT, after all. It certainly has that classic Eastman/Laird feel to it. If you didn't like it, perhaps the Mirage Turtles aren't your cup of tea.

You mentioned the turtles' personalities didn't match most of the time. After reading issue 8, I'd say Leo and Raph are spot on. Don kinda falls into the background as it's really a magic-based adventure set in medieval times, so knowledge of modern science won't be as helpful here. Also, in the comics, Mikey is the least-developed turtle from a character standpoint. You'll find that he falls into the background in many early issues. Eastman and Laird have stated that they didn't really know what to do with him early on. You see a little character development for him in his one-shot and issue #17.

I feel like early TMNT stories have 1 of 2 feels to them. They are either gritty and dealing with things that happen in normal city life (though with a ninja slant), or they go off on a pretty sci-fi tangent. Issues 1-3, Leo, 10, 19-21 all tend to be on the more grounded side of things, even if that means exosuits, ninjas, and mystic worms. Issues 4-7, Don, and 8 have more of a sci fi feel to them with aliens, time travel and lasers. Both sides are part of early TMNT. However, the live action movie tended to stick more to the more realistic side of things (I know, I know, mutant turtles. You know what I mean.) If the live action movies are all you know about classic TMNT, I can see how the Sci-Fi stuff can be jarring.

myconius
05-08-2017, 07:02 AM
still though...

comparing the original Mirage Tmnt comics to Michael Bay....

that's just blasphemy! ...sacrilege! ...heresy! :lol:

DestronMirage22
05-08-2017, 07:13 AM
still though...

comparing the original Mirage Tmnt comics to Michael Bay....

that's just blasphemy! ...sacrilege! ...heresy! :lol:

WITCH TRIAL!!

WITCH TRIAL!!

BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!


:lol:

Panda_Kahn_fan
05-08-2017, 09:25 AM
I agree with many who are critical with some of the mirage/image run on here; I find the original comics a mixed bag. I love return to new York, Northampton, The River, city at war, sons of the silent age, the fugitoid arc, the usagi and moo mesa crossovers, the original one-issue story with Baxter Stockman, the rat king' s into issue, leatherheads into, the king of thieves arc, Renet's into story, the blind Leo story, and the Dragon lord arc from the image run. These are all amazing comics to me, and have a place on my bookshelf.

The rest of the Mirage/image run, I really Don't care for, and I actually despise. The super hero stuff, Dale evens mcgillicutty, bodycount,naked triceritons, shredder shark, the raph horror stuff with vampires and werewolves, Kirby and the magic Crystal,April the magic drawing, the volume one filler... it all feels so lame to me, and I got bored or annoyed reading it. Likewise, I love the Mirage tmnt drawn by Rick Veitch, Kevin Eastman, or Stan Sakai in the usagi crossovers. But most of the other artist's style looks kind of weird to me. I guess it all comes down to personal taste, and I find mirage 1/2 amazing, 1/2 terrible.

plastroncafe
05-08-2017, 09:30 AM
WITCH TRIAL!!

WITCH TRIAL!!

BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!


:lol:

https://img.memesuper.com/5690dd3b4fb6f2381b66e7b954a6ee49_charlie-the-unicorn-meme-shun-the-nonbeliever-meme_476-261.jpeg

myconius
05-08-2017, 09:37 AM
WITCH TRIAL!!

WITCH TRIAL!!

BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!


:lol:

https://img.memesuper.com/5690dd3b4fb6f2381b66e7b954a6ee49_charlie-the-unicorn-meme-shun-the-nonbeliever-meme_476-261.jpeg


xn0td-xpl8w

Peter Palmer
05-08-2017, 01:03 PM
I agree with many who are critical with some of the mirage/image run on here; I find the original comics a mixed bag. I love return to new York, Northampton, The River, city at war, sons of the silent age, the fugitoid arc, the usagi and moo mesa crossovers, the original one-issue story with Baxter Stockman, the rat king' s into issue, leatherheads into, the king of thieves arc, Renet's into story, the blind Leo story, and the Dragon lord arc from the image run. These are all amazing comics to me, and have a place on my bookshelf.

The rest of the Mirage/image run, I really Don't care for, and I actually despise. The super hero stuff, Dale evens mcgillicutty, bodycount,naked triceritons, shredder shark, the raph horror stuff with vampires and werewolves, Kirby and the magic Crystal,April the magic drawing, the volume one filler... it all feels so lame to me, and I got bored or annoyed reading it. Likewise, I love the Mirage tmnt drawn by Tom Veitch, Kevin Eastman, or Stan Sakai in the usagi crossovers. But most of the other artist's style looks kind of weird to me. I guess it all comes down to personal taste, and I find mirage 1/2 amazing, 1/2 terrible.

Rick Veitch?

Maybe you're right and I'm missing out. Let me know. I love Rick's stuff.

Panda_Kahn_fan
05-08-2017, 02:17 PM
Rick Veitch?

Maybe you're right and I'm missing out. Let me know. I love Rick's stuff.

:tlol:Curse of the auto-correct, oy.

LeotheLateBloomer
05-08-2017, 03:00 PM
Also, in the comics, Mikey is the least-developed turtle from a character standpoint. Eastman and Laird have stated that they didn't really know what to do with him early on. You see a little character development for him in his one-shot and issue #17.

Where did they say that?

Peter Palmer
05-08-2017, 07:21 PM
:tlol:Curse of the auto-correct, oy.

Really? Tom is Rick's brother who also works in comics.

Peter Palmer
05-08-2017, 07:22 PM
Where did they say that?

Eastman at San Diego 2009, Laird at FCBD 2013.

Mexiun
05-09-2017, 11:38 AM
You should have stuck to my reading list. If you're not liking the "filler issues", I doubt you'll have the endurance to make it all the way to issue 48 where the main story picks up again.

As luck would have it, I read issue 8 (Renet, Savanti, and Cerebus) just last week. You'll have a much better appreciation for it if you've read Cerebus at all. Cerebus was a source of inspiration that helped lead to the creation of the TMNT, after all. It certainly has that classic Eastman/Laird feel to it. If you didn't like it, perhaps the Mirage Turtles aren't your cup of tea.

You mentioned the turtles' personalities didn't match most of the time. After reading issue 8, I'd say Leo and Raph are spot on. Don kinda falls into the background as it's really a magic-based adventure set in medieval times, so knowledge of modern science won't be as helpful here. Also, in the comics, Mikey is the least-developed turtle from a character standpoint. You'll find that he falls into the background in many early issues. Eastman and Laird have stated that they didn't really know what to do with him early on. You see a little character development for him in his one-shot and issue #17.

I feel like early TMNT stories have 1 of 2 feels to them. They are either gritty and dealing with things that happen in normal city life (though with a ninja slant), or they go off on a pretty sci-fi tangent. Issues 1-3, Leo, 10, 19-21 all tend to be on the more grounded side of things, even if that means exosuits, ninjas, and mystic worms. Issues 4-7, Don, and 8 have more of a sci fi feel to them with aliens, time travel and lasers. Both sides are part of early TMNT. However, the live action movie tended to stick more to the more realistic side of things (I know, I know, mutant turtles. You know what I mean.) If the live action movies are all you know about classic TMNT, I can see how the Sci-Fi stuff can be jarring.

No don't get me wrong, the Turtles' personalities are good, but just in that pointless issue with that time travelling girl is where i was like "Eh...?" with their personalities (and the chapter in general).
I don't mind time travel aslong as its pulled of well and has an actual story to it that influences the present (or future), so far this time travelling to the past in the Mirage comics seems pointless since nothing even happened, if i skipped that chapter i wouldn't have missed a thing :lol:
For example i liked the Archie time travelling since it made more sense and wasn't forgotten in one chapter and you could see small things still coming back in chapters.

And that is what i meant with filler; chapters that don't influence the story one bit, and is forgotten the next chapter.

I like the Mirage comics, but some issues are way to random, messy and make no sense...

I guess it all comes down to honesty (me) and blind nostaligia (most people here) :ohwell:

Mexiun
05-09-2017, 11:41 AM
I agree with many who are critical with some of the mirage/image run on here; I find the original comics a mixed bag. I love return to new York, Northampton, The River, city at war, sons of the silent age, the fugitoid arc, the usagi and moo mesa crossovers, the original one-issue story with Baxter Stockman, the rat king' s into issue, leatherheads into, the king of thieves arc, Renet's into story, the blind Leo story, and the Dragon lord arc from the image run. These are all amazing comics to me, and have a place on my bookshelf.

The rest of the Mirage/image run, I really Don't care for, and I actually despise. The super hero stuff, Dale evens mcgillicutty, bodycount,naked triceritons, shredder shark, the raph horror stuff with vampires and werewolves, Kirby and the magic Crystal,April the magic drawing, the volume one filler... it all feels so lame to me, and I got bored or annoyed reading it. Likewise, I love the Mirage tmnt drawn by Rick Veitch, Kevin Eastman, or Stan Sakai in the usagi crossovers. But most of the other artist's style looks kind of weird to me. I guess it all comes down to personal taste, and I find mirage 1/2 amazing, 1/2 terrible.

Exactly, i loved the 'return to new york' 'the river' and the northhampton ones because they felt story based and not random "oh here's another random half naked woman from outer space just coincidentally teleporting to Earth to screw your day up and is forgotten the next chapter".

The actual story chapters with Shredder, Bloodsucker and Northhampton feel amazing and wish the whole Mirage comics were like that without silly side-characters and forgetable stories...

Peter Palmer
05-09-2017, 11:59 AM
Exactly, i loved the 'return to new york' 'the river' and the northhampton ones because they felt story based and not random "oh here's another random half naked woman from outer space just coincidentally teleporting to Earth to screw your day up and is forgotten the next chapter".

The actual story chapters with Shredder, Bloodsucker and Northhampton feel amazing and wish the whole Mirage comics were like that without silly side-characters and forgetable stories...

I suggested the reading order I did for just this reason...get the meat of the story right off the bat to give you a full, unfiltered taste of classic Mirage TMNT. A second pass through volume 1 would have picked up the strong stories throughout. Outside of that main reading list (I could remove 8 and 9 from my initial list), most of the volume could be considered an anthology series. The River, Souls Winter, Sons of the Silent Age, Masks, and Hall of Lost Legends are among my favorite stories. I'm also partial to Donatello's 1-shot which serves as a fantastic tribute to Jack Kirby, a big inspiration to Eastman & Laird. Most of these don't add to the main story, though they do enrich the TMNT tapestry.

I think we all wish that Eastman and Laird could have helmed the whole volume. Of course, if they did that, the they'd have to steal focus from running the juggernaut that was the TMNT in the late 80's/early 90's. Who knows how that would have changed things.

Like many said, Volume 1 is a mixed bag. It's best not to label it as a whole, rather break it out into individual stories.

Peter Palmer
05-09-2017, 12:07 PM
and not random "oh here's another random half naked woman from outer space just coincidentally teleporting to Earth to screw your day up and is forgotten the next chapter".


And one more thing...I actually kind of liked this aspect. From very early on, the TMNT were popping in and out of people's lives like crazy. They mingled with the Fugitoid and the triceratons on a distant planet, they went back in time and found Cerebus, Jhanna popped onto Earth for a bit. The whole series is absurd at its core, so in the comics it always felt like anything could happen at any time. You could never tell if a character was going to have a one-off appearance or if they'd come back and have a bigger role in the overall story.

Renet, Savanti Romero, Rat King, Radical, and several others all seem like random cameos when they are first introduced and end up having a big impact on the Turtles later on.

Mexiun
05-09-2017, 12:15 PM
I suggested the reading order I did for just this reason...get the meat of the story right off the bat to give you a full, unfiltered taste of classic Mirage TMNT. A second pass through volume 1 would have picked up the strong stories throughout. Outside of that main reading list (I could remove 8 and 9 from my initial list), most of the volume could be considered an anthology series. The River, Souls Winter, Sons of the Silent Age, Masks, and Hall of Lost Legends are among my favorite stories. I'm also partial to Donatello's 1-shot which serves as a fantastic tribute to Jack Kirby, a big inspiration to Eastman & Laird. Most of these don't add to the main story, though they do enrich the TMNT tapestry.

I think we all wish that Eastman and Laird could have helmed the whole volume. Of course, if they did that, the they'd have to steal focus from running the juggernaut that was the TMNT in the late 80's/early 90's. Who knows how that would have changed things.

Like many said, Volume 1 is a mixed bag. It's best not to label it as a whole, rather break it out into individual stories.

I'll follow your list more then, was already searching the internet some days ago for a full reading order which was surprisingly hard to find :ohwell:
Reading the "filler" chapters feel like a chore to me and i only read them because its a digit following from the last chapter with TMNT in the title.

However i did enjoy the Kirby chapter, it was a fun chapter with a pretty sad ending, however i already knew how it would end since the 2003's TMNT did a full episode about this :lol:

How is Vol.2 and Vol.4 though? Random like Vol.1?

Andrew NDB
05-09-2017, 12:24 PM
How is Vol.2 and Vol.4 though? Random like Vol.1?

A bit like "City at War," but with not a lot of action. Decompressed storytelling, no story arcs, per se.

Mexiun
05-09-2017, 12:37 PM
A bit like "City at War," but with not a lot of action. Decompressed storytelling, no story arcs, per se.

Sounds fun, can't wait to check that out once i read Vol.1.
Heard a lot about City at War so i'm pretty excited for it.

bjaxx87
05-12-2017, 03:33 AM
I'll follow your list more then, was already searching the internet some days ago for a full reading order which was surprisingly hard to find :ohwell:
Can't believe no one suggested to check out the continuity timeline:
http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2010/01/mirage-comics-continuity-timeline.html

It helped me a lot when I got into the Mirage comics. And it's also worth checking out the reviews including the "turtle tips" pointing out if a certain character will reappear (time travel girl aka Renet will reappear and even will be of relevance!).

Peter Palmer
05-18-2017, 09:07 AM
How is Vol.2 and Vol.4 though? Random like Vol.1?

No, they aren't random in future volumes. Volume 2 and 4 don't have guest issues like volume 1 has. You'll get a logical progression of the story if you read them in order.

***First of Two Latin Kings***
05-20-2017, 05:57 AM
I will deffinitly check it out, can't wait to start reading it but first i want to finish all of the Archie ones.

And she bought me the Classic 1990 movie Raphael figure.

http://www.toysrus.com/buy/movies-tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-classic-figure-collection-original-movie-raphael-91080-34158896

This one :)

Edit: While we're on the subject, does anyone know a good Ninja Turtle merchandise site that ships to the Netherlands?

Me :tlol: :tlol: :tlol: :tlol: