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FredWolfLeonardo
05-07-2017, 09:57 AM
Just wanted to hear your opinions on this, I'm betting there will be quite a few different perspectives.

Do you think the FW show in general had good comedy and how does it compare to other comedy giants like Looney Tunes and Animaniacs?

Me personally, I found it very funny and alot of the jokes to be clever. One thing I noticed that not once throughout the show was there gross and excessively kiddy/cheap humour like fart jokes and burp jokes which I really appreciate. There's quite a bit of slapstick definetly, but I think the best source of humour in the show came from the dialouge and interactions of characters which was really funny either due to being very clever or very corny.

snake
05-07-2017, 10:10 AM
It's hit or miss. The Krang/Shredder stuff is golden.

Wesley
05-07-2017, 10:35 AM
Yes. Some episodes of the Fred Wolf toon are actually more enjoyable for me to watch as an adult, as a lot of the humour such as Raphael's sarcastic remarks and the banter between Shredder and Krang went over my head as a kid.

DisKosh
05-07-2017, 10:35 AM
Oh yeah, they were like an old married couple. Krang was basically the technodrome wife.

ABrown
05-07-2017, 10:58 AM
I guess I'm in the minority on this. Don't get me wrong, I love the original TMNT cartoon. I loved it as a child, and I still love it as an adult. But I've never really found the series to be funny. Do I find it to be silly? Absolutely. But silly doesn't necessarily equal funny. I've actually always found the 4Kids series to be much funnier than the first cartoon ever was.

IndigoErth
05-07-2017, 11:10 AM
It can be rather hokey, but it does have its moments.

Esp things that are a little under the radar that the original kid audience might not have gotten back then. Such as...

http://i.imgur.com/UfgqDIP.gif

plastroncafe
05-07-2017, 11:44 AM
Sometimes?

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
05-07-2017, 11:56 AM
Of course, yes. No other series has such a great dynamic. Three main-"bases". the turtles' sewerlair, Channel 6 and the Technodrome.

neatoman
05-07-2017, 12:10 PM
No. Too much of it revolves around pizza and the jokes that aren't tend to be dry or predictable.

LeotheLateBloomer
05-07-2017, 12:34 PM
It can be rather hokey, but it does have its moments.

Esp things that are a little under the radar that the original kid audience might not have gotten back then. Such as...

http://i.imgur.com/UfgqDIP.gif

What episode was that from?

Coola Yagami
05-07-2017, 12:39 PM
Of course it was. I do admit the pizza puns were lame and some of the slapstick too, but most of Raph's material and Shredder and Krang's bickering was comedic gold. Shredder and Krang were masters of the smacktalk. Plus all the 4th wall breaking jokes that wasn't all that common in action shows.

CyberCubed
05-07-2017, 01:28 PM
The humor was very self-aware parody and drywall satire humor. It's a lot different than say the humor in the Nick cartoon, which goes for the modern cartoon approach of "loud and in your face" type humor.

Even stuff like the Channel 6 news crew banter is far funnier as an adult than a kid, because now you can understand where they were going with those characters and all the stereotypes. As a kid this stuff would fly over your head.

Powder
05-07-2017, 01:35 PM
Sometimes?

This is more or less my answer. :tlol:

sdp
05-07-2017, 01:36 PM
A lot of the humor is tongue in cheek which is why I think a lot of it still works, the more cultural and of the time jokes not so much. The "kids humor" which not even as a kid I found funny are bad though sometimes it does fall into the "so bad it's so good" and finally some of the humor is so abstract that it's funny for that whole fact.

ssjup81
05-07-2017, 02:21 PM
This series had a lot of self aware humor, which is what amused me. If something completely stupid was occurring or something was going on that probably shouldn't have been going on, like how characters from a dimension in ancient Japan can "of course speak English", it'll be referenced. That's silly and the show was self aware. That humor style still holds up, imo.

Andrew NDB
05-07-2017, 02:37 PM
What were some good jokes from it?

IndigoErth
05-07-2017, 03:38 PM
What episode was that from?
Season 4, ep 11, "Menace Maestro, Please". The one with the wannabe Phantom of the Oprah.



Cracked me up in my first re-watch as an adult a few years ago, suddenly realizing Leo pretty much just called them a couple of jackasses. lol Or however you want to take that.

neatoman
05-07-2017, 03:39 PM
What were some good jokes from it?

Well there was... Uhm... Well... I mean... Hm... How many are you asking for? Let's see... This really hard...

Alright, to be fair, there is one joke I thought was actually good rather than just mildly amusing. Donatello invents a VR machine that simulates a fantasy, turns out one of Raphael's fantasies is to enslave the other Turtles. It's unexpected, informs something about the character and it's the only time I can remember the humor not being so damn toothless.
https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/8/8e/Nightmare7.png/revision/latest?cb=20141220211229

sdp
05-07-2017, 03:40 PM
Tonight I dine on Turtle Soup (http://dineonturtles.ytmnd.com/) NSFW

ProactiveMan
05-07-2017, 05:46 PM
Some times it was funny. Sometimes it was unintentionally funny. Sometimes it was painful.

BubblyShell22
05-07-2017, 06:14 PM
Yeah, it did have some good moments that made me laugh and I still do laugh at it when I watch it. Some jokes were corny, but others were pretty good and the banter between Shredder and Krang was the best.

Antrax
05-07-2017, 07:25 PM
Yeah, it did have some good moments that made me laugh and I still do laugh at it when I watch it. Some jokes were corny, but others were pretty good and the banter between Shredder and Krang was the best.

Completely agree.
I just watched a couple of random episodes and I only laughed once in each, but most of the humorous bits were enjoyable, even the corny ones.

CyberCubed
05-07-2017, 08:04 PM
I don't really laugh as in the, "tremendous amount of laughter" aspect like you would in a movie theater, but I do crack a smile and chuckle at some of the funnier or more amusing moments.

I loved the scene in the Mutagen Man episode where he changes into Vernon, and then the real Vernon walks right up to him and sees himself and says, "What a handsome fellow" and just continues walking right by like he's not shocked to see a duplicate of himself walking around. :lol:

Wesley
05-08-2017, 09:58 AM
I don't really laugh as in the, "tremendous amount of laughter" aspect like you would in a movie theater, but I do crack a smile and chuckle at some of the funnier or more amusing moments.

I loved the scene in the Mutagen Man episode where he changes into Vernon, and then the real Vernon walks right up to him and sees himself and says, "What a handsome fellow" and just continues walking right by like he's not shocked to see a duplicate of himself walking around. :lol:

Agreed. One of my favourite dialogue is between Shredder and Vernon in Attack of the Neutrinos when Veron says he doesn't know anything and Shredder replies "That's never stopped you from talking before." The cartoon had some great one-liners.

FredWolfLeonardo
05-08-2017, 09:59 AM
My favourite funny moment is when Casey Jones gets hired in Corporate Raiders for Dimension X.

Wesley
05-08-2017, 10:05 AM
My favourite funny moment is when Casey Jones gets hired in Corporate Raiders for Dimension X.

That was hilarious alright. Reminds me of another funny episode (Plan Six from Outer Space) when Rocksteady and Bebop were working for Channel Six.

FredWolfLeonardo
05-08-2017, 10:17 AM
Someone enlighten me, I remember a funny moment from Shredder but can't remember the episode. He says:

"Id give you a hand, or better yet, a finger!"

oldmanwinters
05-08-2017, 10:27 AM
Mm... Good Humor (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/11/9a/d6/119ad651034e262eb731a0946571bb7a.jpg).

I think the funniest part about the old show was usually the premise of the plots themselves and the way the various characters played off each other. So big credit to the voice acting cast, because the show would have never worked with static delivery or actors who didn't truly understand their characters.

Wesley
05-08-2017, 10:32 AM
Someone enlighten me, I remember a funny moment from Shredder but can't remember the episode. He says:

"Id give you a hand, or better yet, a finger!"

He said that in Shreeka's Revenge, one of my favourite eps. Loved the banter between Shreeka and Bebop/Rocksteady in that ep.

DestronMirage22
05-08-2017, 11:39 AM
There should've been an option on the poll for sort of or sometimes.

The humor can be childish at times or dated.

Utrommaniac
05-08-2017, 12:15 PM
Someone enlighten me, I remember a funny moment from Shredder but can't remember the episode. He says:

"Id give you a hand, or better yet, a finger!"

Honestly, going by the audio alone, it becomes a question of which finger is in question :lol:

IndigoErth
05-08-2017, 01:11 PM
and Shredder replies "That's never stopped you from talking before."
My current re-watch is up to that point, literally just watched that one last night. Did give me a chuckle. The show does have some good snarky humor at times.

THGhost
05-08-2017, 08:03 PM
I don't remember many of them being all that good, but a few definitely made me chuckle. Especially the Shredder and Krang stuff.

CyberCubed
05-09-2017, 02:03 AM
Honestly some of the stupidest scenes in the OT could be funny. Like the scene where Bebop was dressed up as an old woman carrying chocolate chip cookies and she hits Rocksteady over the head with his pocketbook saying, "You nasty brute."

For all intents and purposes this scene should be dumb as hell, but for some reason it amuses me watching it. Even the dumbest scenes in the show could have amusement value.

MsMarvelDuckie
05-09-2017, 04:34 AM
Ah yes. The idiotic disguises they used for "The Gang's All Here". One of my fave episodes. I found the scene in season one where they come across all of Shredder's "Ninja" businesses while heading to the security company with April pretty funny. "Ninja Dentist"?! Ouch, indeed!!

FredWolfLeonardo
05-09-2017, 02:07 PM
Ah yes. The idiotic disguises they used for "The Gang's All Here". One of my fave episodes. I found the scene in season one where they come across all of Shredder's "Ninja" businesses while heading to the security company with April pretty funny. "Ninja Dentist"?! Ouch, indeed!!

I found it so bizzare how the turtles didnt recognize bebop and rocksteady through those disguises. Either disguises in the FW show look much more convincing within the show than to us the audience or the turtles were just messing around with those two on purpose.

CyberCubed
05-09-2017, 03:07 PM
I found it so bizzare how the turtles didnt recognize bebop and rocksteady through those disguises. Either disguises in the FW show look much more convincing within the show than to us the audience or the turtles were just messing around with those two on purpose.

It's just cartoon logic. It's the same reason Team Rocket's disguises in pokemon always fool Ash and his friends, even though they're barely disguised. This all dates back to Looney Tunes stuff or Clark Kent wearing glasses and nobody can tell he's Superman.

FredWolfLeonardo
05-09-2017, 03:10 PM
It's just cartoon logic. It's the same reason Team Rocket's disguises in pokemon always fool Ash and his friends, even though they're barely disguised. This all dates back to Looney Tunes stuff or Clark Kent wearing glasses and nobody can tell he's Superman.

Or sonics disguises in Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. Who could forget those :tlol:

CyberCubed
05-09-2017, 03:11 PM
Well it's the same for the Turtles, when they walked outside in their trenchcoats or other human clothing, they still had green faces, hands and feet.

Only exception is when they wore those bald head masks they had in a few episodes. But they still didn't wear shoes and nobody noticed. :lol:

Netkeeper
05-09-2017, 03:32 PM
I also wish the poll had a sometimes/sort of option because jokes were hit or miss for me even as a kid. But my first exposure to TMNT was the 1990 film and it was way funnier so I guess I kinda had higher standards, whoops. :lol:

Candy Kappa
05-09-2017, 03:43 PM
It was funny sometimes, but I enjoyed the dry humor a lot more as an adult.

billbot85
05-09-2017, 07:24 PM
I'm sure I laughed a lot watching the show as a kid. I know I definitely laugh watching it now. Raph, Krang, and Shredder's one-liners have definitely struck me funny more than once.

IndigoErth
05-09-2017, 07:49 PM
I do rather enjoy Shredder and Krang's jabs at each other... Not that I can think of any right off the top of my head, but yeah.

pferreira
05-11-2017, 11:05 AM
The humor was very self-aware parody and drywall satire humor. It's a lot different than say the humor in the Nick cartoon, which goes for the modern cartoon approach of "loud and in your face" type humor.Yep, that's why I could never get the humour of the 4Kids series. Any sporadic attempts at humour were cringe worthy and really unfunny. I'm not sure but I'm guessing the Nick show is like that as well?

Well there was... Uhm... Well... I mean... Hm... How many are you asking for? Let's see... This really hard...Yes you don't like the Fred Wolf series, we get it already. :roll:

My favourite funny moment is when Casey Jones gets hired in Corporate Raiders for Dimension X.That was great! Even at the time I thought that was funny! :D

I found it so bizzare how the turtles didnt recognize bebop and rocksteady through those disguises. Either disguises in the FW show look much more convincing within the show than to us the audience or the turtles were just messing around with those two on purpose.I mean the writers knew what they were doing. They knew how ridiculous these situations were but they just went with it and some of these results are priceless like the Casey scene mentioned above. The humour was always a very underrated part of the series.

I don't really laugh as in the, "tremendous amount of laughter" aspect like you would in a movie theater, but I do crack a smile and chuckle at some of the funnier or more amusing moments.Any TV show does a good job if it can create a good balance between the differing elements.

Tetsu Deinonychus
05-17-2017, 12:54 PM
This desperately needed a "sometimes" option. FW TMNT could go through a lot of different styles and quality levels, and the humor is no different.

myconius
05-25-2017, 07:38 PM
the show had it's moments.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
05-26-2017, 06:04 AM
Irma was great in one episode when she said something about she was not a pickup girl.

Wesley
05-26-2017, 09:09 AM
Irma was great in one episode when she said something about she was not a pickup girl.

I don't remember that episode, but I thought Irma said a few good one-liners in the episode "Convicts from Dimension X."

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
05-26-2017, 09:19 AM
I don't remember that episode, but I thought Irma said a few good one-liners in the episode "Convicts from Dimension X."

Or maybe Donatello's Badd Time?

neatoman
05-26-2017, 09:33 AM
This desperately needed a "sometimes" option. FW TMNT could go through a lot of different styles and quality levels, and the humor is no different.

I would have chosen "rarely" myself.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
05-26-2017, 04:47 PM
It at least has the best humour of all three animated TMNT series yet existing.

pferreira
06-01-2017, 08:42 AM
It at least has the best humour of all three animated TMNT series yet existing.Yes definitely! :)

Prowler
06-04-2017, 10:11 PM
Sometimes but mostly good than bad. Raphael's jokes were clever and Krang and Shredder had funny interactions with each other.

It certainly was better than 2k3 TMNT humour. 2k3 Mike just doesn't have Rob Paulsen's wit and delivery.

clockstomper
06-05-2017, 07:19 PM
I liked the initial FW run, there were some creativity and fun adventures in those episodes. But the creativity and effort die as the show goes on, to the point it's clear they're recycling scripts from other shows a few seasons in. I think the only bright spots are the instances where the actors injected their own lines into garbage scripts.

The 2k3 show had very different goals, so I don't think it's a fair comparison. I like it better than FW, it was mining from years of comic adventures so there were always varied and interesting adventures on screen for the Turtles to go on. Even the original stuff in the first 4 seasons was pretty creative. I don't know that you can call the comedy in it a failure, the clear focus was on character development. I'd say it was a wise choice to have less comedy than to force a ton of it into scripts that aren't focused on that. Writing against your strengths is never a good idea.

And we have proof of that: Fast Forward. "It's ninja time" makes me cringe. It's like they thought the future premise was enough so they didn't put any effort into making the episodes funny or entertaining as long as future stuff was floating around (like jangling keys in front of a baby.)

Real winner for comedy? 1990 movie. So many quotable lines.

Coola Yagami
06-05-2017, 08:14 PM
It certainly was better than 2k3 TMNT humour. 2k3 Mike just doesn't have Rob Paulsen's wit and delivery.

Plus Classic Raph was smartass funny... not dumbass funny. 2003 Mikey and 2012 Mikey both have the 'dumb is funny' thing going for them, which I really hate seeing poor Mikey being typecast as that.

So many cartoons rely on characters being random, loud, stupid, or all three to be funny. Kinda can't wait to see if they really will bring back the Animaniacs so Yakko Warner can bring smartass funny back.

Prowler
06-05-2017, 11:38 PM
Plus Classic Raph was smartass funny... not dumbass funny. 2003 Mikey and 2012 Mikey both have the 'dumb is funny' thing going for them, which I really hate seeing poor Mikey being typecast as that.

So many cartoons rely on characters being random, loud, stupid, or all three to be funny. Kinda can't wait to see if they really will bring back the Animaniacs so Yakko Warner can bring smartass funny back.
Yep, exactly. Mike in the FW series also was a bit slow and immature at times, but he was a lot more bearable as were his constant pizza jokes.

Yakko was also voiced by Paulsen, wasn't he? As was Mighty Max. Mighty Max had a quite similar personality to FW Raphael. It was like Raphael turned human :P

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-06-2017, 05:42 AM
The 2k3 show had very different goals, so I don't think it's a fair comparison. I like it better than FW, it was mining from years of comic adventures so there were always varied and interesting adventures on screen for the Turtles to go on. Even the original stuff in the first 4 seasons was pretty creative. I don't know that you can call the comedy in it a failure, the clear focus was on character development. I'd say it was a wise choice to have less comedy than to force a ton of it into scripts that aren't focused on that. Writing against your strengths is never a good idea.

And we have proof of that: Fast Forward. "It's ninja time" makes me cringe. It's like they thought the future premise was enough so they didn't put any effort into making the episodes funny or entertaining as long as future stuff was floating around (like jangling keys in front of a baby.)



"What the shell" got tiresome after a while.

Coola Yagami
06-06-2017, 08:21 PM
"What the shell" got tiresome after a while.

I remember newcomers/casuals that only watched Turtles Forever for the 80s crew and never watched the 2K3 show all hated 'what the shell?'.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-07-2017, 06:02 AM
I remember newcomers/casuals that only watched Turtles Forever for the 80s crew and never watched the 2K3 show all hated 'what the shell?'.

I didn't care back then. I hadn't seen much of the 2003-2009 series in English back then. Hadn't even seen all its episodes.

neatoman
06-07-2017, 11:12 AM
I remember newcomers/casuals that only watched Turtles Forever for the 80s crew and never watched the 2K3 show all hated 'what the shell?'.

It's a pretty weird hang-up. Pretty sure the FW cartoon had similar puns up the ass, so I don't get why that one would be bothering them.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-07-2017, 11:25 AM
Pretty sure the FW cartoon had similar puns up the ass.

I don't know if it has when it comes to swearing word.

neatoman
06-07-2017, 11:56 AM
I don't know if it has when it comes to swearing word.

Well, pseudo-profanity does seem like something it would avoid I guess.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-07-2017, 12:26 PM
Well, pseudo-profanity does seem like something it would avoid I guess.

But on the other hand, Shredder of the 1987-1996 said "What the devil".

neatoman
06-07-2017, 12:33 PM
But on the other hand, Shredder of the 1987-1996 said "What the devil".

You know, now that I think about it, they could have gotten away with him using Japanese profanity. Not that I think the writers knew any but still.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-07-2017, 12:35 PM
You know, now that I think about it, they could have gotten away with him using Japanese profanity. Not that I think the writers knew any but still.

What are Japanese profanity bsed on (more than dogs)? It can't have with the Christian devil to do, since it's a Buddhist tradition.

neatoman
06-07-2017, 01:35 PM
What are Japanese profanity bsed on (more than dogs)? It can't have with the Christian devil to do, since it's a Buddhist tradition.

I don't really know much of anything about Japanese profanity, so this is just what google gives me.
http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/insults.html
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2016/09/22/w-t-f-japan-top-5-most-offensive-japanese-swear-words-%E3%80%90weird-top-five%E3%80%91/
http://www.youswear.com/index.asp?language=Japanese

ABrown
06-07-2017, 01:44 PM
"What the shell" got tiresome after a while.

Not for me. The "shell" profanity never got old. I still use it frequently.

Donnie
06-07-2017, 06:33 PM
I still crack up when I watch "Leonardo Lightens Up." One of my favorite episodes. :lol:

Coola Yagami
06-07-2017, 09:30 PM
It's a pretty weird hang-up. Pretty sure the FW cartoon had similar puns up the ass, so I don't get why that one would be bothering them.

Because it wasn't as consistent and overplayed as that one though. They had pizza puns, but not the exact same one every episode. What the shell was basically a catchphrase.

Prowler
06-08-2017, 01:34 AM
I liked "what the shell" and "oh shell" when I was 13. I thought it was funny and a way to make the show look more mature without stopping to be kid-friendly.

Nowadays it does feel like they repeated that gag a lot but it's hardly the most grating thing about the 2k3 series, so I let it slide.

pferreira
06-08-2017, 03:50 PM
It certainly was better than 2k3 TMNT humour. 2k3 Mike just doesn't have Rob Paulsen's wit and delivery.I found the 2003 humour very forced and therefore unfunny. The show was good about being serious but couldn't really handle humour. It's in good company though as most TV suffers from that today.

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan
06-08-2017, 03:52 PM
I liked "what the shell" and "oh shell" when I was 13. I thought it was funny and a way to make the show look more mature without stopping to be kid-friendly.

Nowadays it does feel like they repeated that gag a lot but it's hardly the most grating thing about the 2k3 series, so I let it slide.

The first series had so muchh mroe non-children humour when you think of it. I don't even think "What the Shell" should be considered humour at all.

The best was the scene on D'Hoonnib, where one turtle leads four rats.