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AlZarkovski
05-26-2017, 01:56 PM
First look:


http://doomrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/TMNT-Universe11_pages-1-3_Page_1.jpg

http://doomrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/TMNT-Universe11_pages-1-3_Page_2.jpg

http://doomrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/TMNT-Universe11_pages-1-3_Page_3.jpg

Utrommaniac
05-26-2017, 01:59 PM
Well...that was interesting.

But where is she getting the Ooze to make the Mutagen??? Just got some dudes running around with it on their backs

DestronMirage22
05-26-2017, 02:04 PM
Awesome, more Null! :D
She's been pretty underused a this point, and she really needs more development, so seeing her in this mini arc is good news.

myconius
05-26-2017, 02:07 PM
First look:


http://doomrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/TMNT-Universe11_pages-1-3_Page_1.jpg

http://doomrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/TMNT-Universe11_pages-1-3_Page_2.jpg

http://doomrocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/TMNT-Universe11_pages-1-3_Page_3.jpg


awesome!
glad we're getting more time with Man Ray.
he's definitely one of my favorite Mutanimals coming close to Hob.

also good that we're finally catching back up with Null.
she's been out of the picture way too long.

CyberCubed
05-26-2017, 02:19 PM
Looks like we're getting a lot of random/one-shot mutants this arc?

ProphetofGanja
05-26-2017, 02:22 PM
Whoa! Is this a super-early preview or did #11's release date get bumped up?

In any case ,this looks to be a very cool standalone issue. I guess those are Null's enforcers mentioned in the solicit

neatoman
05-26-2017, 02:59 PM
This is interesting, temporary mutation? I don't think we've ever seen that before... I mean aside from Carmelo Anthony.

Technogeek29
05-26-2017, 04:20 PM
Man where is Null getting her gear, Mars?

neatoman
05-26-2017, 04:34 PM
Man where is Null getting her gear, Mars?

Well according to Doom, Mars is the number 1 vacation destination for demons. You can consume the flesh of mortals, get cybernetic enhancements and the portal back home to hell is always near. Great times!

In all seriousness, alien resources are a likely explaination.

Technogeek29
05-26-2017, 04:40 PM
Well according to Doom, Mars is the number 1 vacation destination for demons. You can consume the flesh of mortals, get cybernetic enhancements and the portal back home to hell is always near. Great times!

In all seriousness, alien resources are a likely explaination.

:lol::lol: I was having a pretty crummy day so this got a well needed chuckle out of me.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy
05-26-2017, 06:47 PM
Well DAMN. Null's just full of tricks, ain't she? :teek:

CyberCubed
05-26-2017, 08:44 PM
I'd really prefer if Null's arc, whatever it is, happens in Universe over the main ongoing. Not only because it would free up space for different story arcs in the main series, but I feel she works better as a side villain to all the main stuff coming up with Bishop, Krang/Dimension X, and the Pantheon.

MikeandRaph87
05-26-2017, 08:48 PM
Is this given a preview three weeks in advanced? I thought it was supposed to be released on June 21st.

Redeemer
05-26-2017, 09:57 PM
Whoa! Is this a super-early preview or did #11's release date get bumped up?

In any case ,this looks to be a very cool standalone issue. I guess those are Null's enforcers mentioned in the solicit

Is this given a preview three weeks in advanced? I thought it was supposed to be released on June 21st.


This is what I was wondering. I didn't even look at the preview bc I was shocked at even seeing the preview :lol:

Raptor86
05-27-2017, 01:43 AM
Interesting variant cover...

http://doomrocket.com/idwp-tmnt-universe-11/

neatoman
05-28-2017, 12:01 PM
So can we assume Bebop and Rocksteady were early experiments for those mercenary guys?

ToTheNines
05-28-2017, 01:11 PM
So can we assume Bebop and Rocksteady were early experiments for those mercenary guys?

I don't see how they'd be connected. They were mutated at Karai's behest, and the Shorai Research Group (I guess a Null front/subsidiary) seemed to already know what they were doing.

neatoman
05-30-2017, 01:54 PM
I don't see how they'd be connected. They were mutated at Karai's behest, and the Shorai Research Group (I guess a Null front/subsidiary) seemed to already know what they were doing.

I figured that making seemingly temporary mutations would be more valuable than permanent ones, since nobody in their right mind would want to remain a monster for the rest of their lives. So, Bebop and Rocksteady might have been mutated using an earlier method.

ChosenOne
05-30-2017, 03:24 PM
"Nobody in their right mind" and "Bebop and Rocksteady" does not compute.

Still, I get the point. That merc transforming was a real "Woah!" moment for me (followed by "I don't get it, is that Dreadmon?" followed by "Oh... Oh! Oh crap..." in quick succession), if anything the temporary mutations make for an even more freakish end product. The choice of animal didn't help either.

These are the guys Bishop should be hunting down!

Utrommaniac
05-30-2017, 07:09 PM
But wait a minute...if Null is able to undo mutations, think about what that would mean for later storylines. Retromutagens have never been brought up until now.

And now that they have, wouldn't Bishop want them?
Shouldn't they be a threat to the turtles (and Mutanimals) immediately?
How did she get figure out Retromutagen?
Where did she get the Ooze to do it?
Would Retromutagen further contaminate said Ooze that the Utroms need to survive?

Screw what happens to Krang in the Trial storyline, this is the shakeup that will change everything.

ProphetofGanja
05-30-2017, 07:24 PM
But wait a minute...if Null is able to undo mutations, think about what that would mean for later storylines. Retromutagens have never been brought up until now.

And now that they have, wouldn't Bishop want them?
Shouldn't they be a threat to the turtles (and Mutanimals) immediately?
How did she get figure out Retromutagen?
Where did she get the Ooze to do it?
Would Retromutagen further contaminate said Ooze that the Utroms need to survive?

Screw what happens to Krang in the Trial storyline, this is the shakeup that will change everything.

Maybe it's not that the mutations are reversed, per se, but that they're designed to be temporary to begin with somehow (it doesn't really matter how, comic book logic)

But yeah, if it's not, the threat of demutation would be an interesting one for the Turtles and Mutanimals to face

ChosenOne
05-30-2017, 07:53 PM
Maybe it's not that the mutations are reversed, per se, but that they're designed to be temporary to begin with somehow (it doesn't really matter how, comic book logic)

But yeah, if it's not, the threat of demutation would be an interesting one for the Turtles and Mutanimals to face

This.

The notion of demutation and all the tremendously interesting possibilities it creates should be explored at some point, but I don't think this will be it just yet.

Another relevant question is: does each merc pick an animal to temporarily mutate into beforehand according to personal preference like Bebop and Rocksteady did, or do they have an assortment of choices that adapt to a mission's shifting requirements as it unfolds? Can that one merc only mutate into a bear/wolf/whatever that is, or can he, say, mutate into an aquatic animal to gain the upper hand in a marine environment? Or maybe into a bird for aerial recon? A mutant Swiss army knife of sorts would be a tremendous asset.

ProphetofGanja
05-30-2017, 08:01 PM
Really, any way they go with this story is gonna be really interesting.

ChosenOne
05-30-2017, 08:09 PM
Really, any way they go with this story is gonna be really interesting.

Agreed! Does Hob go forward with his crusade against humans due to the EPF's actions and the threat of enhanced mutations? Does he ultimately ally with Null against Bishop? Does he ultimately ally with Bishop against Null? Does he ally with Stockman against both of them? Man, Hob and Stockman need to have a reunion, however fleeting (and vitriolic) it might be...

The Toad Baron has reignited my interest in the Pantheon storyline, but this whole war thing with the Turtles caught in the middle is really where it's at right now! It's like an even better version of the Saki/Krang feud back in the first 50 issues.

CyberCubed
05-30-2017, 09:52 PM
Given Null only seems to appear in the mini's and Universe we may never see her interact with Bishop directly. Tom Waltz has never written Null himself since she's never appear in the main ongoing, so he probably is allowing her character to be handled by all the other writers.

Null has always been more of a villain of the Mutanimals than the Turtles, (in Archie Null is the one who flat out orders the assassination of all the Mutanimals), so I'd prefer if they were the ones to take her down in this universe.

Utrommaniac
05-30-2017, 09:56 PM
Honestly at this point, Hob and Stockman working together is a very distant memory, even ancient history by this time in the storyline. But still might be more likely than the other two options.

ChosenOne
05-30-2017, 10:20 PM
Regarding Null's possible appearance in the main ongoing, it's something that I don't particularly mind if it never comes to pass but it feels like we should never say never, either. And I agree that she is more of a Mutanimals big bad, but let's not forget that it was the Turtles (and Slash) who ultimately avenged their deaths in Archie. At the very least, I can see the bros popping in to help out the Mutanimals. It was enough of an uphill battle the first time around with only humans and robots to oppose them, and now she's got mutants of her own too...

And on that note, Hob and Stockman are pretty much this franchise's Vegeta and Frieza. There will always be backstory. There will always be animosity. But the Mutanimals are outgunned and undermanned in this war, they'll need allies. If Bishop comes around and realizes that weaponized mutants are the real threat, he will possibly forget about rounding up the ones who just want to be left alone (ie, the Turtles and Mutanimals) and crack down on Null instead.

On the other hand, if his crusade intensifies, Null and Hob might just find common ground for a (temporary, mind you) alliance. It's just not as personal between them as it is with Bishop at this point.

Then we have Stockman, who is for all intents and purposes currently aligned with the Turtles against Bishop but his picture is on the dictionary next to "Chronic backstabber", and he might be tempted to join up with either Bishop or Null instead. Greed and scientific curiosity might win out over pride.

But who knows, really?

These are all just ramblings, and the real stuff coming our way might just be even better! It's a real achievement for a comic to have built such a world, with such consistence and internal logic, that we can fill page after page with speculation over the tiniest fragment of new information while we wait for more.

CyberCubed
05-31-2017, 11:41 AM
And on that note, Hob and Stockman are pretty much this franchise's Vegeta and Frieza.

I would think Shredder and Krang are this series Vegeta and Freeza. :lol:

ChosenOne
05-31-2017, 11:53 AM
I would think Shredder and Krang are this series Vegeta and Freeza. :lol:

More like Beerus and Champa. :lol:

Seriously though, Hob's an anti-hero and an ally at this point. I can't see the Turtles ever pulling off an honest, stable alliance with Shredder or Krang if either of them comes back and they'd need that to qualify for Vegeta status.

neatoman
05-31-2017, 12:56 PM
Maybe it's not that the mutations are reversed, per se, but that they're designed to be temporary to begin with somehow (it doesn't really matter how, comic book logic)

That is what I was thinking, Mutant Growth Hormone.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Mutant_Growth_Hormone