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TMNT_Guy
06-14-2017, 07:48 AM
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So, as someone who loved Super Mario 64 and especially Super Mario Sunshine and thought Super Mario Galaxy was too linear, Super Mario Odyssey is like a dream come true for me. I was literally screaming during the original trailer, I don't think I've ever been so excited from a video game trailer before.

Also, as someone who actually likes the Mario lore(and is still bitter over Miyamoto's retcon of the Koopalings) I'm absolutely bonkers to see Pauline again. If that wasn't awesome enough, she's been revealed as the Mayor of the New Donk City world AND she even has a song! This is the first song with lyrics in a Mario game, not counting spin-offs like Wario Ware's Mona Pizza. It's so cool to see Nintendo embrace Mario's story for a change.

Absolutely love everything that's been revealed so far. I am a little concerned about about the removal of extra lives, but that's probably because I'm stuck in the past. People have been questioning the relevancy of lives in modern games for a long time now so I'm sure many will enjoy this change. Motion controls are back and but I'm fine with them since they're optional thanks to the Pro Controller.

CyberCubed
06-14-2017, 10:46 AM
Mario has an excellent track record for 3D games. Odyssey looks fantastic, Galaxy 1 and 2 were fantastic, and 3D Land and 3D World were both great as well.

oldmanwinters
06-14-2017, 11:17 AM
Cool to see Pauline finally integrated into the main Super Mario series. It makes sense as the game seems to take place in a more "realistic" world. I'm hopeful that Donkey Kong will at least get a cameo.

Also, the new line of Mario Odyssey amiibo do look pretty cool.

Andrew NDB
06-14-2017, 11:26 AM
It's so weird that's it has taken them almost 8 years from the time of Mario Galaxy 2 to release a "real" Mario game. That's longer than the amount of time between when the original Mario Bros. (not Super Mario Bros.) coming out in 1983 in Japan and when Super Mario World came out on SNES in 1990. Why did it need to take so long? Imagine getting 0 "real" Mario games during that entire time. Whole generations of video game players are forgetting why they should care about a new Mario game, and understandably so.

oldmanwinters
06-14-2017, 11:34 AM
It's so weird that's it has taken them almost 8 years from the time of Mario Galaxy 2 to release a "real" Mario game. That's longer than the amount of time between when the original Mario Bros. (not Super Mario Bros.) coming out in 1983 in Japan and when Super Mario World came out on SNES in 1990. Why did it need to take so long? Imagine getting 0 "real" Mario games during that entire time. Whole generations of video game players are forgetting why they should care about a new Mario game, and understandably so.

Supposedly this is the first "sandbox" styled Super Mario game since Sunshine on the Gamecube. I guess the Galaxy series is considered to be a more linear interpretation of the genre. Personally, I consider Super Mario 3D World as "real" a Mario game as anything else. It and Super Mario Maker are my favorite Wii U games. I think "Super Mario" and "Super Mario Bros" are two distinct series. I'd start the "Super Mario" series with Mario 64 and Odyssey being the most recent. The "Super Mario Bros" series goes from SMB1-3, USA, World, New Super Mario Bros 1-Wii-2-U, and Super Mario 3D Land and 3D World.

Andrew NDB
06-14-2017, 11:36 AM
I guess the Galaxy series is considered to be a more linear interpretation of the genre.

It's been a long, long time since I've played it, but I seem to remember being able to choose different galaxies to visit at will? No different than SMB3 or Super Mario World in the "path" you can choose, if memory serves. Galaxy 2 definitely remains the last "core" game... the rest seem like strange side things, experiments or half games.

TurtleWA
06-14-2017, 11:47 AM
So does every kingdom have a store for Mario to buy outfits? So far I've seen that the sand and woodland kingdoms both do. Not a super fan of that aspect. Otherwise looks fun and throwing his hat is cool.

sdp
06-14-2017, 12:23 PM
During the announcement of Mario Odyssey they specifically mentioned how the Mario series had evolved in 3D with the more linear style of 3D land and 3D world and the more open world of 64. They even put out an image, here it is:

http://i.imgur.com/jAuJhff.jpg



I don't agree perfectly agree with it since the series evolved through out each incarnation. Galaxy still felt like the first 3D games even if the levels were more linear. Galaxy 2 made the games even more linear however and by the time 3D world happened it was nothing like 64.

I love 3D open world platformers since I grew up with them and was saddened when the Wii U only got 3D world. Odyssey looked awesome and return to norm but looking at some of the footage, there's definitely still tons of SM3D World influences in the game. I'm glad there's more focus on the 3D open world but I don't even understand why they did that whole explanation of the two different type of Super Mario 3D games since they've all been an evolution.


As far as the game, I love that Pauline is back and that New Donk City is basically the "real" world, I wasn't crazy about it at first but they explained it with lore that this is the world of Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. games before Mario goes to the Mushroom Kingdom.

Yeah, things are not very mario like and strange, but that's the whole point of the game, to have something different from what we're used to, it's only one game. I hope we get Odyssey 2 like with the Galaxy games.

Whole generations of video game players are forgetting why they should care about a new Mario game, and understandably so.

The "new" SMB series are considered "mainline" games so the Mario is a fun platformer has always been there and there's more than enough Mario spin-offs for him to have around 2 games per year so he's relevant.

oldmanwinters
06-14-2017, 02:10 PM
Thanks for sharing that photo, sdp! Yeah, I guess that's the way Nintendo is going to consider things now. I wonder if they consider all the 2D "New Super Mario Bros" games to be in the same line too.

I actually prefer the linear mission-styled games over the formula of Mario 64, but I do applaud Nintendo's efforts to change things up from time to time.

During the announcement of Mario Odyssey they specifically mentioned how the Mario series had evolved in 3D with the more linear style of 3D land and 3D world and the more open world of 64. They even put out an image, here it is:

http://i.imgur.com/jAuJhff.jpg



I don't agree perfectly agree with it since the series evolved through out each incarnation. Galaxy still felt like the first 3D games even if the levels were more linear. Galaxy 2 made the games even more linear however and by the time 3D world happened it was nothing like 64.

I love 3D open world platformers since I grew up with them and was saddened when the Wii U only got 3D world. Odyssey looked awesome and return to norm but looking at some of the footage, there's definitely still tons of SM3D World influences in the game. I'm glad there's more focus on the 3D open world but I don't even understand why they did that whole explanation of the two different type of Super Mario 3D games since they've all been an evolution.


As far as the game, I love that Pauline is back and that New Donk City is basically the "real" world, I wasn't crazy about it at first but they explained it with lore that this is the world of Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. games before Mario goes to the Mushroom Kingdom.

Yeah, things are not very mario like and strange, but that's the whole point of the game, to have something different from what we're used to, it's only one game. I hope we get Odyssey 2 like with the Galaxy games.



The "new" SMB series are considered "mainline" games so the Mario is a fun platformer has always been there and there's more than enough Mario spin-offs for him to have around 2 games per year so he's relevant.

CyberCubed
06-14-2017, 02:51 PM
Guys, it's not that complicated.

3D Mario games:

Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, 3D Land, 3D World...and now Mario Odyssey.

2D Mario games:

All the classic NES/SNES/Gameboy games, and the New Super Mario Bros. series.


Besides that Yoshi has an entire series to himself of 2D platformers, Super Princess Peach, and the platforming segments in the various Mario RPG's.

Powder
06-14-2017, 03:25 PM
It's so weird that's it has taken them almost 8 years from the time of Mario Galaxy 2 to release a "real" Mario game. That's longer than the amount of time between when the original Mario Bros. (not Super Mario Bros.) coming out in 1983 in Japan and when Super Mario World came out on SNES in 1990. Why did it need to take so long? Imagine getting 0 "real" Mario games during that entire time. Whole generations of video game players are forgetting why they should care about a new Mario game, and understandably so.

You've simply not been keeping up, old man. :trazz:

New Super Mario Bros U, Super Mario 3D Land, Super Mario 3D World, etc. Plenty of Mario going around.

But this one looks to top them all & I am hyped!

Andrew NDB
06-14-2017, 03:43 PM
New Super Mario Bros U, Super Mario 3D Land, Super Mario 3D World

Those don't really seem like they're part of the "main" series of Mario games any more than, like, Paper Mario or Mario RPG. I mean, if you numbered out all the games, Super Mario Bros. is SMB1 ("Mario Bros." would be #0) and Super Mario Odyssey would be like SMB10, and those games you mention wouldn't get a numeral.

FredWolfLeonardo
06-14-2017, 03:46 PM
Looks awesome! :D

That last clip looked like Grand Theft Auto at the beginning. The only question is, how much carnage will you be able to cause?

sdp
06-14-2017, 04:05 PM
Well officially Nintendo considers the "New" SMB games as mainline games, beginning with the DS one and yes they include 3D Land as well even if they're portable. For the 25th anniversary they didn't consider the other portable games on Game Boy as mainline games but since the 30th anniversary even the Game Boy games Super Mario Land 1 and 2 are considered mainline games. Sorry Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island and Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land aren't and are part of their own series.


Mario Bros. isn't considered part of the franchise, I guess since it's not "Super" but now that Odyssey is basically referencing Donkey Kong I guess Mario Bros. is back in "canon".

Turo602
06-14-2017, 04:06 PM
I don't understand why people act like 3D Land and 3D World aren't real or even mainline Mario games. They're what Mario 64 should have been.

Anyway, this game looks amazing but I can't help but feel like they just copied exactly what they did with Breath of the Wild. It's like breaking the conventions to Nintendo meant dressing the protagonist up in different clothes and collecting korok seeds or in Mario's case, those moon thingies.

Also, I hope Donkey Kong appears in this game. They got to have a part in there where DK kidnaps Pauline and climbs up a really tall building like King Kong and throws barrels at you as you're making your way up the building. It's got to happen.

sdp
06-14-2017, 04:20 PM
3D Land made sense that it wouldn't be considered since in the past the "Land" games were not considered main games, same reason with the original "New" SMB but now that Nintendo considers them as "real" as the console ones who are we to argue.

I don't think people didn't consider 3D World as a mainline game, they just wanted a "real" 3D game and this felt like prettier version of 3D Land rushed out to save the Wii U since it was faster to make this type of game than a "real" 3D game. Now we know that Nintendo just thought it was a better way to represent Mario in 3D and not because they didn't want to have a "real" 3D game. I'm in the camp that prefers "real" 3D Mario games but whatever as long as they keep giving us both types of games I won't complain.


Anywho it would be a huge mistake not to have Donkey Kong appear in the game, it would be so refreshing and awesome to see Donkey Kong in a a "mainline" Mario game. Who knows though since we already have Bowser and the evil hat but here's hoping.

I would also like to see Wario, Daisy and other forgotten characters stuck in spin-off games in a "mainline" game. Hell Waluigi has never been in any Mario series like Paper/&Luigi/etc outside of quirky/sports spin-offs, he deserves to be the villain in a game. Why can't Wario be a villain again in a spin-off series like Mario & Luigi?

God damn am I tired of "core" and "mainline" talk :lol:

CyberCubed
06-14-2017, 04:23 PM
Super Mario Land 1 and 2 were considered main Mario platformers on one of the last Mario promotional sheets Nintendo made. The only reason they seem weird is Miyamoto didn't have much to do with them. Besides that, they introduce important characters. Mario Land introduces Daisy, and Mario Land 2 introduces Wario...both characters who became permanent Mario characters.

Pauline was re-invented back in 2006 with Mario Vs. DK: March of the Mini's on DS, and Nintendo has kept this design ever since. Strange that she's never been in the Mario Kart games.

FredWolfLeonardo
06-14-2017, 04:25 PM
Someone just made this, I can't stop laughing :lol:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih323XXu_3w

TMNT_Guy
06-14-2017, 06:21 PM
Pauline was re-invented back in 2006 with Mario Vs. DK: March of the Mini's on DS, and Nintendo has kept this design ever since. Strange that she's never been in the Mario Kart games.
Actually, her current design debuted in 1994 with the Game Boy remake (https://www.mariowiki.com/Donkey_Kong_(Game_Boy)#Official_artwork).

I've said it before (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1212611&postcount=8734), but Nintendo has a huge cast of memorable Mario characters that would be great for Mario Kart...but instead we get things like Random Dry Bones, Baby Daisy and Gold Peach.

Powder
06-14-2017, 06:44 PM
Those don't really seem like they're part of the "main" series of Mario games any more than, like, Paper Mario or Mario RPG. I mean, if you numbered out all the games, Super Mario Bros. is SMB1 ("Mario Bros." would be #0) and Super Mario Odyssey would be like SMB10, and those games you mention wouldn't get a numeral.

Not even remotely true.

Turo602
06-14-2017, 08:07 PM
I've said it before, but Nintendo has a huge cast of memorable Mario characters that would be great for Mario Kart...but instead we get things like Random Dry Bones, Baby Daisy and Gold Peach.

Correction, Pink-Gold Peach.

sdp
06-14-2017, 08:11 PM
I've said it before (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1212611&postcount=8734), but Nintendo has a huge cast of memorable Mario characters that would be great for Mario Kart...but instead we get things like Random Dry Bones, Baby Daisy and Gold Peach.

I always thought so too, it also boggled my mind how some characters made it into the roster before others, like say King Boo before Bowser Jr. How about bringing back DK Jr.? Or add the DK Country crew? I remember spin-offs started using the DK cast again after Rare left Nintendo but after DKC Returns they decided to separate them again.

Of course Metal/Cat/etc Mario/Peach are all made to have "another" character with different stats but not having to make new animations or 3D models but i think I'd prefer those spots blank. Nintendo showed how they don't know how to choose characters with the DLC, Kirby was the perfect fit for Mario Kart and we didn't get him, instead we got Link who might be more popular but makes less sense and I don't think Link sold more DLCs than Kirby would have in this case.


Super Mario Land 1 and 2 were considered main Mario platformers on one of the last Mario promotional sheets Nintendo made. The only reason they seem weird is Miyamoto didn't have much to do with them. Besides that, they introduce important characters. Mario Land introduces Daisy, and Mario Land 2 introduces Wario...both characters who became permanent Mario characters.


Permanent characters who never appeared in another mainline game, hell Daisy doesn't even appear other Mario series, only the mini game/sports spin-offs as a selectable character. Wouldn't it be awesome to have Wario as a villain again? Daisy as a princess? Even if it's in a Luigi spin-off or RPG?

Someone just made this, I can't stop laughing :lol:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih323XXu_3w

Without Odyssey being a thing and the trailer having the music it would've just been an unamusing video to me but with both of the above I ended up being amused.

oldmanwinters
06-14-2017, 08:27 PM
Something about the jazz on the Odyssey trailer reminds me of the soundtrack for the Bayonetta series.

CyberCubed
06-14-2017, 08:43 PM
Permanent characters who never appeared in another mainline game, hell Daisy doesn't even appear other Mario series, only the mini game/sports spin-offs as a selectable character. Wouldn't it be awesome to have Wario as a villain again? Daisy as a princess? Even if it's in a Luigi spin-off or RPG?

I don't think it matters. Wario then went on to get his own 2D platformers and they made 5 Wario Land games, (Wario Land 1-3 on Gameboy, then Wario Land 4 on GBA, and Wario Land: Shake It on Wii), and then of course the WarioWare microgames series.

Most of the major Mario characters re-appear in multiple games. Even Prof. E. Gadd who originated in Luigi's Mansion went on to appear in quite a few of the Mario and Luigi RPG's, and he has a major role in Partners in Time.

Coola Yagami
06-14-2017, 09:03 PM
I kinda wanna see Wario in a legit Mario game. I know Mario is basically saving the princess from Bowser all the time but where does Wario fit in all of this? I wouldn't mind seeing him and Waluigi as bosses in a Mario game, not a sports or racing game.

CyberCubed
06-14-2017, 09:44 PM
I kinda wanna see Wario in a legit Mario game. I know Mario is basically saving the princess from Bowser all the time but where does Wario fit in all of this? I wouldn't mind seeing him and Waluigi as bosses in a Mario game, not a sports or racing game.

Because Wario doesn't care? Watch the openings to any Wario Land game, he's always off on his own living by himself or searching for treasure. Why would he give a damn about Bowser invading the Mushroom Kingdom?

Mario's universe is vast, it consists of all sorts of worlds, cities, Donkey Kong jungle's, alternate kingdoms, etc. Mushroom Kingdom isn't the entire Mario planet, much like Hyrule isn't the entire planet Zelda takes place in.

TMNT_Guy
06-14-2017, 11:57 PM
Correction, Pink-Gold Peach.
Well, it IS Princess Peach were talking about...the pink goes without saying. ;)
Most of the major Mario characters re-appear in multiple games. Even Prof. E. Gadd who originated in Luigi's Mansion went on to appear in quite a few of the Mario and Luigi RPG's, and he has a major role in Partners in Time.
Don't forget that even though he didn't physically appear in Super Mario Sunshine, he did invent FLUDD and the Magic Brush from that game. His company logo is even on all the nozzle boxes.

I guess if we had to wait 36 years for Pauline to appear in a main Mario game we can wait another 8 more for Princess Daisy.
I kinda wanna see Wario in a legit Mario game. I know Mario is basically saving the princess from Bowser all the time but where does Wario fit in all of this? I wouldn't mind seeing him and Waluigi as bosses in a Mario game, not a sports or racing game.
It's better to imagine the Mario Universe as something like the DC comics universe. Everything takes place in the same world and while there may be occasional crossovers, Batman mostly stays in Gotham City and Superman mostly stays in Metropolis, just like like how Mario mostly stays in the Mushroom Kingdom and Wario mostly stays in Diamond City.

That being said, yeah, I'd love to see Wario appear in a Mario game besides the sports titles. But what would be Wario's motivation and purpose? Greed is Wario greatest motivation in life so I could see him doing something like opening an item shop or selling hints and tips. But if Wario's a boss then why would he get involved? Sure, Wario despises Mario (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIzwSaj7B08&t=5m5s), but I don't think that's enough motivation for Wario to stop picking his nose and get up from his couch.

Let's take a look a some of the more famous moments of Mario and Wario's rivalry. First there was Super Mario Land 2(Where Wario wanted a castle of his own so he stole Mario's.), the first Wario Land game(Where Wario tried to reclaim a stolen gold statue of Princess Peach so he could ransom it back to her.) and the Mario Power Tennis intro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agZXttRkHk4)(Where Wario & Waluigi wanted revenge for losing the Tennis Tournament.). Usually Mario and Wario only feud when Mario has something that Wario wants. The only time Wario didn't have any clear motivation was in Mario & Wario where Wario dropped buckets on Mario and his friends for no apparent reason other then maybe they were too close to his house.

So basically, if Wario would be a boss battle in a modern Mario game he needs more motivation then simply "I hate Mario!". Personally, I think a game where Mario, Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi are forced to work together would be most ideal...something like the Mario & Luigi series only with the Wario Bros added. The comedy and interactions practically write themselves and the moves and abilities possible could be awesome.

oldmanwinters
06-15-2017, 08:41 AM
Personally, I think a game where Mario, Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi are forced to work together would be most ideal...something like the Mario & Luigi series only with the Wario Bros added. The comedy and interactions practically write themselves and the moves and abilities possible could be awesome.

Sounds like Super Mario 64 DS is the game for you, it's got 3/4th of what you want, missing only Waluigi.

TMNT_Guy
06-15-2017, 11:44 AM
Sounds like Super Mario 64 DS is the game for you, it's got 3/4th of what you want, missing only Waluigi.
Except in that game the characters never interacted with each other, the camera was awkward and for some reason they decided to make Yoshi the star of Super MARIO 64. They didn't even have a good explanation for Wario and Luigi to be there. New characters randomly thrown into an old game isn't even close to what I'm talking about. If you haven't guessed, I'm not the biggest fan of the DS remake.

I'm talking about a new adventure where the characters personalities and abilities interact with each other. Something similar like I said before to the Mario & Luigi series or Crash Twinsanity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afMs2UTlTz0). Waluigi's body type alone gives so many possibilities. Like I could see Wario using Waluigi as a shovel to uncover secrets or have one of the character use him like a javelin throw to reach new areas. Maybe Wario's farts can act as a double jump or something. I'm sure some talented game designer can come up with something better. If they can come up with a game where Mario teams up with the Rabbids and do it in a fun and humorous way where the character's personalities play off one another then surely they can do the same with Wario and Waluigi.

DestronMirage22
06-15-2017, 10:57 PM
I'm half tempted to start calling this game Grand Theft Mario, there are so many similarities. :lol:

This game definitely isn't for me. I don't like the open-world style and have always preferred linear SMB games. Some if the environments (particularly the city one) don't feel like they fit with the usual Mario style. The past few entries in the series (and this one too) have felt really gimmicky, with lots of weird power-ups and new abilities and what not, and this one seems no different.

That being said, I realize a lot of people enjoy these 3D SMB games and have been wanting a game similar to SMB64 for a long time, so for their sake I hope Nintendo can provide the game they've been wanting.

CyberCubed
06-16-2017, 02:14 AM
The power ups are the best part of every Mario game. And taking control of enemies with the hat is a great idea.

Looks like it'll be a great game, and I can't imagine ever skipping out on a main 3D Mario given they're the highlights of every Nintendo console.

LeotheLateBloomer
06-16-2017, 06:49 AM
Mario turning into enemies, dinosaurs, and even people is a very daring concept. I can't wait to try that out.

TheBlueTurtle1
06-16-2017, 07:59 AM
It's basically a glorified Mario Galaxy 3, should be amazing.

CyberCubed
06-16-2017, 11:52 AM
It's basically a glorified Mario Galaxy 3, should be amazing.

Not really, the Galaxy games were about anti-gravity, spherical worlds, and mostly linear worlds that led to a single star with few exceptions.

Odyssey is more of a full open world Mario in the vein of Mario 64 and Sunshine where you can explore a full world in any direction.

oldmanwinters
06-16-2017, 02:59 PM
Mario's new hat "possession" power is apparently triggering some freak outs online...
http://mashable.com/2017/06/15/super-mario-odyssey-hat-existentialism-help-oh-god-help/#rz_w8RRgRaqb

Andrew NDB
06-16-2017, 03:33 PM
I wonder what the next Mario game will be like, 7 years from now.

CyberCubed
06-16-2017, 03:40 PM
3D Mario games come out more frequently than they used to, the only big gaps were the first two games:

1996: Super Mario 64
2002: Super Mario Sunshine
2007: Super Mario Galaxy
2010: Super Mario Galaxy 2
2011: Super Mario 3D Land
2013: Super Mario 3D World
2017: Super Mario Odyssey

The N64 and Gamecube only got 1 3D Mario game each, and they were spread apart, but since Galaxy came out in 2007 we've gotten a new one every 2-3 years.

Cure
06-16-2017, 04:21 PM
I wonder what the next Mario game will be like, 7 years from now.

I'm sure there'll be one or two by then, but you'll ignore them for whatever reason.

oldmanwinters
06-22-2017, 10:34 AM
The internet continues to freak out about Mario's new powers of possession. But Nintendo insists he's simply "capturing" things...
http://screenrant.com/super-mario-odyssey-villain-meme/

Papenbrook
10-10-2017, 10:45 PM
Apparently, the singer of the game's theme is Kate Higgins.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL0GmCAXkAIwPnd.jpg:small

https://mobile.twitter.com/GoNintendoTweet/status/917897151853850624

TMNT_Guy
10-11-2017, 01:52 AM
Man, this just fuels my desire for a modern Super Mario movie even more.

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Shark_Blade
10-11-2017, 03:44 AM
Super Mario La La Land!! Now I'm really pumped for this game!! :tlove:

That commercial is so amazing!

CyberCubed
10-11-2017, 03:07 PM
Mario Odyssey will be amazing. Every 3D Mario has been amazing, except some of the more tedious parts of Sunshine, but I loved it otherwise.

Prowler
10-11-2017, 03:09 PM
Mario Odyssey will be amazing. Every 3D Mario has been amazing, except some of the more tedious parts of Sunshine, but I loved it otherwise.
Sunshine had an odd difficulty curve from what I recall. You could easily get 2-3 shines in just one hour or under and then struggle a lot to get another one.

Papenbrook
10-11-2017, 04:18 PM
Mario Odyssey will be amazing. Every 3D Mario has been amazing, except some of the more tedious parts of Sunshine, but I loved it otherwise.

Agreed. This game is exceptionally better than Sonic Forces.